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Hi madprophet......
The best board is the NEOP Oldtimers Lounge on InvestorVillage. It's a private board. You can lurk and read but you'll have to ask to join it if you want to post. There are a couple of other NEOP boards On InvestorVillage as well. NEOP.OB was a public board that was abandoned because of bashers. Neop Express is OK. It's a private board too. Not many posters left there. I think they're planning to close it and move to the Oldtomers Lounge. There's also an OK board on Yahoo. But, without question, the Oldtimers Lounge has the largest collection of knowledgeable investors. There's also a good NEOP blog maintained by one of the oldtimers (DDbuyer)that contains a lot of good information to help you get started. Here's the link...
http://neopstock.blogspot.com/
I wouldn't wait too long to buy. More news expected by the end of the month. Good Luck........
I think everyone needs to chill for now......
There is absolutely nothing to get excited about or to talk to Sam about until an offer is made. right now the companies have agreed to look at each other to see if there is any interest in a buyout of Natural Harmony.
Heathrow will look at Natural Harmony's books and products to determine if they want it and at what price.
Sam will look at Heathrow's books to determine whether or not he might be willing to take some Heathrow stock as part of the deal if they offer it.
Heathrow could have gone through 20 name changes and reverse splits and it wouldn't matter at all if they offer cash for NH and it's a good deal for shareholders. Or, they might offer a combination of cash and Heathrow stock. Is that a good deal? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the agreed upon price of their stock and what we think the value of their company might be once they have NH products to sell. Or, they might not make an offer at all.
The point is that we know nothing right now. Sam will spend the next 30 days doing his DD. Don't waste his time with a bunch of questions he can't answer yet.
Right now..... THERE IS NO OFFER ON THE TABLE..........
And, until there is, any discussions on the topic are based purely on speculation......
It's really all about price. We only care about Heathrow's business plan because part of the price may be in the form of Heathrow shares. Sam doesn't want to sell SoLean for shares that won't hold their value. If the deal end up being all cash (unlikely), we couldn't care less about Heathrow's business plan.
You can find just about anything you want to know about NEOP at:
http://www.investorvillage.com/blog.asp?b=3A649286B78CB5E9
Sorry again. The ask is .0015.
I can't do anything right today.......
Sorry, I meant to say the ask is .015.
The bid is .0015. Today's activity has been buyers not sellers.
Market Makers -------
Something I picked up from another board:
While large-cap stocks have been decimated, the picture is even bleaker for small and micro-cap issues, many of which are down 70% or more in the past 12 months. One possible silver lining is a rules change affecting market makers which is expected to be implemented next month. It would require that market makers execute trades for Bulletin Board and Pink Sheet securities at the best possible price, similar to the requirements on the major exchanges. Currently, there is no best execution requirement on OTCBB and Pink Sheet stocks, potentially allowing market makers to unduly benefit on customer orders.
Is Pink The New Green?
(An interesting article I picked up from another board)
Smart Money magazine has an article about pink sheet stocks (here's the portion available online):
"LEAVE IT TO THE Europeans to turn what was once a sure death knell into the latest fashion. Traditionally the realm of the troubled company, the pink sheets — an over-the-counter market of more than 5,000 public firms not listed on any U.S. exchange — have become increasingly populated with European firms choosing to trade there. The question is: Should investors jump in?
For years companies have traded on the pink sheets (named for the pink paper historically used), either because their stock price fell so low that the New York Stock Exchange or Nasdaq kicked them off, or the firms failed to comply with Security and Exchange Commission rules. But thanks to an SEC rule issued last year, 74 companies voluntarily delisted from U.S. exchanges, up from just 18 in 2006. The pink sheets' total trading volume has increased tenfold since 2001, hitting a record $163 billion last year."
To net it out, companies like Adidas, Air France, British Airways and Volvo have chosen to go to the pink sheets because of the difference in listing costs ($12,500 vs $150,000), but more importantly, the ability to avoid costly SEC rules and Sarbanes-Oxley can save companies up to $10 million a year.
Sam has someone working on uplisting.....
Thanks Dave, I'll add your $8 to the tally. Keep it up.
My wife would cringe if she heard you mention my name and "smart" in the same sentence.....
Actually I was labeled as a basher last year.
When I joined the board last fall there were a few posters who spent most of their time cheerleading. Most of their posts were:
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
This thing is going to the moooooon!!!!!!!!!
I attempted to inject some reality, sanity, and most of all maturity. As a result I was labeled a basher in some private messages that went around. Those guys are gone now and I hope they never return. It's great to be excited and enthusiastic but those kinds of posts are a waste of time and space. And in my opinion, they make the board look like a bunch of silly neophytes. I hope we can keep this board at a mature and informative and supportive level. It will make a much better impression on new investors who come here looking for information..... jmho......
Bama,
No one said it was a No No. It's just that we should all try to avoid distracting Sam and taking up his time. I, for one, want him to stay focused on growing NH. He's aware of the spread problem and has someone dealing with it, so why call him?
Thanks Dave. I enjoyed meeting you as well. But, you may want to get to know me a little better before you refer to me as a "smart investor".
I do have an opinion on your call for a PR though. I guess it gets down to whether you're a trader or a long term investor. If you're a trader and want a jump in the sp so you can sell your shares then that's one thing. But if you're a long term investor then an increase in the sp right now only helps us in one way. It might make it a bit easier for Sam to attract investors and he would get more cash for the restricted shares he sells. I can promise you that that's what matters to Sam. Beyond that, it doesn't much matter what the sp is right now. My mantra to this board since I started buying NHYF a year ago has been that it's all about selling sandwiches. And I don't mean stocking the shelves in a new chain of stores. I mean restocking the shelves because they sold out. This is what really matters. Ultimately, if Sam is successful, we are headed for either a buyout or a partnership with a larger company. In either case the current sp and the spread are irrelevant. The value of the company will be a function of revenues.
Don't get me wrong. It would be great to see a jump in the sp. I own all the shares I want so I'm ready for it to go up. It would validate my instincts, however temporary that validation may be. I might even start to feel like a "smart investor", at least until reality snaps me back into place. But really, it only matters if it helps us get to that buyout/merger.
I would like to see this board more focused on how to promote the products instead of what the current sp is, or what the current spread is, or how many shares were sold today. How many sandwiches were sold today? Think like an owner..... jmho....
OK guys. Let's dial it down a bit.
First of all Bama, I'm sure that what meant meant was that "whatever" your job is, you wouldn't want people who know much less about it to tell you how to run it. He wasn't suggesting that because you are a firefighter that you are less intelligent or less capable to run a business. And, I think he was making the wrong point anyway. The problem is not that you're trying to tell Sam how to run the company. The problem is that you are assuming that he is unaware of the sp problem and that he needs someone to bring it to his attention and tell him what to do about it. The fact is that he is aware and that he does know. Ask Dave. He was at the shareholder's meeting. This issue was discussed. Dave can tell you that there's a board member who is well experienced and is working on getting the company uplisted to the OTCBB. He's working on the 211. And, I happen to know that he has also been in contact with some mm's in order to solve the spread problem. By the way, the two are unrelated. The 211 is required to be listed on the BB and has nothing to do with having a MM in your corner.
I think that it would be wise for everyone here to keep in mind that Sam is the largest shareholder and he has a vested interest in the sp. He has more shares than this entire board combined. And, if he fails at making NH a success, not only are his shares worth nothing but he's also out of a job.....
Well said!! I couldn't agree more...
Some general info about uplisting and filing a 211.
http://www.themergercompany.com/common_questions.htm
Note that the info on this page regarding shell companies does not apply to NHYF.....
Good work Orso. Your efforts are much appreciated.
For those of you who are too young to know what he's talking about:
Thanks David....
Thanks. Where did that come from?
Friday was a pretty good day as far as volume goes. Does anyone here have a list of Friday's trades?
Orso, I'm not sure that's correct. Didn't Sam say to someone here who called him a couple of months ago that he presented SoLean to the nutritionist of one of Florida's school districts. I seem to recall that the response was that at 250, SoLean has too few calories.
Correct me if my memory is faulty.....
I may be...
ollie....
I'm sorry but there's absolutely nothing you can do with $10 and $15 trades that will have any effect on the SP. Until the market develops a genuine appetite for this stock which results in meaningful daily volume, the little blips and drops amount to nothing more than background static. And, you're not going to generate that appetite with what you're doing. That will only happen when people start buying Sam's sandwiches and going back and buying more. Nothing significant is going to happen here until we have real recurring revenue.
Watch the bid. When it starts to move that will be an indication that something is happening. In the mean time, save your money. Get the best price you can when you buy your shares.....
Winstonair,
I believe I answered the question in post 3893. I said:
"He's selling shares because NHYF needs the cash. He'll stop when there is sufficient cash from other sources to run the company."
What do you want. A specific date and time??
I think selling shares is the lesser evil right now. Let's hope Sam doesn't have to do it for too long...
Isn't it obvious??
He's selling shares because NHYF needs the cash. He'll stop when there is sufficient cash from other sources to run the company. He's not a complete idiot. Don't forget that he has a stake in this too. He needs for NH to be successful..... imho.....
Orso......
I agree. And I'll add that I'm sure Sam would be reporting to shareholders if he had something to report. I'd just as soon see him stay focused on making the company successful right now. All he can do is work to get products in stores and then advertise. Last Summer in one of his on line interviews he mentioned the difficulty in balancing the two. I'll leave it to him to determine how to balance his time and the companies assets between those two important areas.
Yes it would be much better if the SP was higher so he could get more for the shares he's selling. But there's nothing he can say right now that will improve the SP. He's got to show results.... imho...
Last Summer when I got into NHYF there was a lot more investor and MM activity. They've both slowed down considerably in the past few months. I know what you're saying about the ocasional spikes in activity. More than likely that's Sam selling NHYF shares to raise cash. It only takes 1 MM to do that.... jmho
Sheff - Marketmakers........
Guys, there are plenty of marketmakers. Don't forget that you're talking about pinks here. Just because you don't see them on a bid/ask list doesn't mean they aren't there. The reason that the stock isn't moving is that there aren't any buyers, and there won't be until we see meaningful revenues and recurring sales. I assure you that when the buying picks up the MMs will shake off the cobwebs and spring into action..... jmho
bwaterpress.......
see post 3528.
I was WRONG and glad of it....
Re: Possible regional and local control of product placement at Target.
I'm visiting my parents in Mobile AL. I checked the two Target stores in the area, one super one not. Neither had any product but I did get a chance to speak to the Super Target manager. He told me that the decision to carry a product in any given store is made at the corporate level and not at the regional and store level as it is with Kroger. That's a good thing. Now we just need to find out why some stores have product and some don't. Target may be testing in some stores first. Or, Sam may not have been able to supply them with enough initially. Or, maybe it's just a Target distribution issue.
My brother checked at a Target in Chandler AZ (Phoenix area). He said they had labels on the shelves for the breakfast sandwiches as well as the wraps but the shelves were empty. He asked for help and they found two boxes of the sausage sandwiches in the back. Apparently they had sold out. Not sure what that's about.
I'll be headed back to Ridgeland MS (Jackson area) in a few days. I'll check on as many stores as I can on the way.
Almost forgot. I brought my 83 year old dad some breakfast sandwiches and cheeseburgers from my local Kroger in Ridgeland. He's hooked on the breakfast sandwiches. Hasn't tried the cheeseburgers yet. He kept the empty box so he could pick some up at Target.... Hopefully soon...
I was just saying that I'm quite sure that Target hasn't made "rolling out" NH products a corporate project with some VP in charge of making sure it gets to all stores and that it gets to those stores based on some sort of corporate approved rollout schedule. If they are structured like Kroger there may be people at multiple levels within the company who decide whether or not to carry the product in their region or their store. Don't be disappointed if you don't see the country blanketed with NH products right away. We may have to help them by requesting the products in some places..... imho
Dspetry,
I really doubt that you will be able to discern any pattern. I'm sure there's not a conscious effort to "rollout" NH products in any particular regional order. Look back at my posts from a few months ago about availability of our products in Kroger. I learned from talking to a store manager that each district has a buyer that chooses what products to stock in their district warehouse. Then within each district, each store has a health food buyer that chooses which of the products from their warehouse to stock in their store. I don't know how Target is organized but it wouldn't surprise me to find a similar structure.
I doubt very seriously that there is any kind of rollout in progress. Target is a very large organization with 1,500 stores and thousands of products.
If you're going to take the time to visit Targets and look for the products, the best thing you can do is to find a manager and request the products if they don't have them. Do that and start recommending them to everyone you know. Investors are watching to see revenue numbers that indicate that our products are leaving the shelves and being reordered. That's what it's going to take to move the SP... imho....
Actually the bid is .003 and the ask is .004. As I said yesterday, pink sheet info doesn't always flow as it should...
stayfocused.....
I used to have the share structure but I can't put my hands on it right now. I think there are about 88M shares outstanding.....
It's one of those pink sheet things.....
Actually the bid is probably .004.
I'm seeing .005 and .005 on TDAmeritrade and .004 and .005 on allstocks level II. This kind of stuff happens regularly at this level......
I also agree with Orso.......
In addition you have some selling for everyday reasons, new baby, taxes, etc... Also, once the company started selling and the SP started drifting down, some sold out of fear. All of this in a market with few NHYF buyers results in a retreating SP....
Two reasons, the market is wary of a company that has very little cash and the market is not very forgiving of past failures. With the first product line there was money in the bank and the SP reacted to positive PRs. Now the market needs to see that the company is going to survive. It needs to see proof of success. Just getting into Target or any other store is not enough. Oh, we may see the SP move up once sandwiches hit the Target shelves. I hope we do. But ultimately we need to see positive revenue. We need to see product leaving the shelves and stores reordering. The high risk investors who are willing to take a chance on a company with no track record and no money are, for the most part, either already in or have come and gone. In order to attract the next wave of investors we need to see a lowering of the risk level of the stock. The initial sale of sandwiches to Target should results in an increase in revenue year-over-year. A PR announcing that will probably attract some traders who react to news. Hopefully it will also get the attention of a few investors as well. The traders will probably run the SP up a bit but it will be short lived. Hopefully, if we do attract a few new investors, they'll help the stock move up and settle at a higher level. but, at the end of the day, all of this is temporary if Target doesn't sell the product and reorder.... imho....