Hey Euro -

There has been no talk that I have heard, hoping for results this past quarter that would result in a large stock price gain.

We need new product releases that excite the public. We WILL gain until then, just not quickly.

Steve

Hey Ridge -

I also have call options, actually higher than yours at $102.14, but thankfully not expiring until January, 2015.

If you have over $6 to be "in the money", that might be hard for July, or at least until some news of a new product is released by AAPL.

It's easy for AAPL to gain $6 or $7 over a month if they would just release a new product.

Until then I wish you good luck.

Steve

Well, the big problem is that you can not assume that large buys are shorts. Or that large sells are selling shorts and getting back in on the positive side. I tend to just go with the overall flow if I know from other reports that shorts are not outbuying the longs.

Yes, interpreting Buys and Sells can be confusing....I try to pay more attention to the "large" buys and sells, the trades of 1,000 shares or more all at once.

Without advanced feedback it can be time consuming, but I let the overall number of buys and sells determine how closely I watch it.

When the difference starts to be close to 25% I consider action, one way or the other. For instance if during the first hour there are close to 2,000,000 trades of AAPL, and there are $1,300,000 sells and only $925,000 buys, I start watching the large trade blocks for the next hour.

If the large trade blocks are dominantly on the sell side, I sell.

Well, it is still encouraging the "Buys" are higher than the "Sells", at least at this point. Just under 2.8 million buys to just under 2.5 million sells.

I don't understand the negativity in the current MAX PAIN prices for AAPL. Negative results up through February.
http://www.maximum-pain.com/max-pain.aspx

VERY High Volume. Which way is it going? It's positive so far, but are they buying or selling, and who will last the longest?

AAPL volume has be miserably low. All we need is some good news. What ever happened to a China Mobile formal announcement? That would be good for starters.

We need positive NEWS which will increase VOLUME, which has been relatively low lately.

I'm disappointed that there has been no news on China Mobile, the iTV has been shelved again, and nothing more on the iWatch since the high-end personnel were recruited and signed up.

I feel the the changeover of public interpretation of AAPL stock from growth stock to value stock is the culprit here, and there is no way around it, and unless something happens soon it will mean lower stock prices in the future.

Timmie is not helping anything, as far as stock value goes. TC is reliable, and an excellent guidance and performance captain, but we need a leader that can excite the public. Tim Cook is not that leader.

I am just upgrading after years and years of loyalty, and for the first time ever, I have considered going to a larger smart phone other than iPhone 5s because as I get older, mine is harder to read. The new iOS 7 has made things worse as far as contrast and readability is concerned. All the kids I know are making the change to different and larger displays and that could not be good near term. AAPL was always a leader, and suddenly they seem like a follower.

Come on AAPL, I know you can do it, but my patience is wearing thin and I feel I am losing a LOT of $ by sticking with trading AAPL stock.

Here's a shot from that earlier link. I hope it works right. It's good because it shows options and upgrade prices:
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0PDoTCej4JS4GEAkDiJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIzdmJpdHZzBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM4MDdmOWI4MzZjYmRhZjBhOGUyN2ZhMDhjYTM5N2YwZgRncG9zAzE4BGl0A2Jpbmc-?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Diphone%2B5s%2B%2526%2B5c%26fr%3Dmoz35%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D18&w=619&h=412&imgurl=www.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.engadget.com%2Fmedia%2F2013%2F09%2Fiphone-pricing2.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engadget.com%2F2013%2F09%2F10%2Fiphone-5c-and-5s-go-on-pre-orde%2F&size=56.7KB&name=Apple%26%2339%3Bs+new+%3Cb%3EiPhone+%3C%2Fb%3E5c+and+%3Cb%3EiPhone+5s+%3C%2Fb%3Eare+now+in+the+wild%2C+and+here%26%2339%3Bs+how+you%26%2339%3Bll+be+able+to+grab+one.+Both+will+arrive+on+September+20th+in+the+US%2C+Australia%2C&p=iphone+5s+%26+5c&oid=807f9b836cbdaf0a8e27fa08ca397f0f&fr2=&fr=moz35&tt=Apple%26%2339%3Bs+new+%3Cb%3EiPhone+%3C%2Fb%3E5c+and+%3Cb%3EiPhone+5s+%3C%2Fb%3Eare+now+in+the+wild%2C+and+here%26%2339%3Bs+how+you%26%2339%3Bll+be+able+to+grab+one.+Both+will+arrive+on+September+20th+in+the+US%2C+Australia%2C&b=0&ni=128&no=18&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=1239mkqc9&sigb=13bah8m7u&sigi=122j0g13r&.crumb=/66MDsEBopF&fr=moz35

I don't know anything about what releases you need to publish someone else's picture, but here is a link of some pictures:
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=moz35&va=iphone+5s+%26+5c

There is a great picture of Phil Schiller somewhere, where he was standing in front of a large screen, showing a 4s, 5 different colored 5c's, and 3 different colored 5s's, with the upgrade price of each one underneath. Something like that (no need to include Phil) would be top rate.

To the moderators and any others that keep this forum on a pretty even keel, I thank you for all the work that you do! However, what do we have to do to get pictures of the current iPhones added to the intro?

It's possible the China Mobile connection will be publicly acknowledged on Nov 9, 11, or 12, which would mean the stock would react Mon or Tue of next week. I just feel something is artificially holding down the stock price at this time and that announcement could be the start of a nice price jump.

Very interesting chart showing Revenue per Employee for several different companies:
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=29200832

Yes kadox - I agree, the options can get you (and have gotten me!) and only buy further out time periods. I don't usually jump back in the regular stock this soon either, but did earlier today at $521.94 and $523.50. I'm just going to hold now for awhile....at least until China Mobile is formally announced. I might sell on the news then. Only time will tell.

Hi e t - It really depends if buyers are increasing the "bid" price or the sellers are decreasing the "ask" price, and who lasts the longest. A lot of money can be made playing the swings of the price of AAPL.

HEAVY volume today! The price could turn sharply either way when one side or the other peters out. It could all be decided by the market managers - only time will tell, but we should know by 2 pm.

For Sure! A range of $503 to $542! Right now, UP $5 to $535!

Back up to only $6 down. I put orders in to buy at $515 and $513.50 as it fell, but did not get filled. I guess my brokerage does not do the after hours, it just shows as "Pending". I haven't tried after hours before, but the $515 range is seems like a great price to me. I look forward to the China Mobile announcement in a week or so, and then I hope for constant improvements!

Switching to Peter did not help, down $16/share right now.

Down $12/share right now. I don't know why but often, the longer Tim Cook speaks, the lower it goes. Maybe someone else will speak soon.

Kadox - There were several sales of AAPL in the $508.** range in the 10:56 - 10:57 am time range:
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/aapl/time-sales?time=3&pageno=56

Something is up (but not the price, also just disregard the single $508 price because it was probably just a market maker taking advantage of a "Market Price" sales order) because volume is up to 6.6 million shares traded the first 100 minutes (with price trending down), MAX Pain for this Friday is only at $500, and overall market VIX is up, meaning be prepared for larger market swings. It's things like this that make me avoid owning the stock just prior to market announcements for AAPL.

No Watson, as I said yesterday, I make it a habit not to own the stock before announcements of products or earnings. I have been burnt too many times trying to guess which way the stock price is going to go after an announcement. It doesn't hurt to wait a day or so, or more. I can buy anytime, but I try to wait until the dust has cleared from a recent event and we have our "normal" liquidity.

Hi ASimEE,I buy and sell regularly. With an average of 90 shares of AAPL, a $10 move downward in one day usually means a rebound (if other news doesn't prevail) is coming. Another $10 or so move upward means close to $1000 profit. No one ever lost money taking a profit, even if it is only 2.5%, $1000 is $1000.

I'm with you Kadox. I've been burnt both ways, losing stock price when I hold, and missing profit when I'm out at both product announcements and/or earnings announcements. I prefer to play the swings before and after announcements, especially if there is more than a $10 drop or rise in one day. I bought last at $483.85 and sold today at $520.62. If it drops $10 or more in one day, I'll be tempted to get back in, but only time will tell, depending on everything else going on!

$45 jump in MAX Pain for Nov. 8th. It's $485 before market open today, stays at $485 for Oct. 25, then down to $480 on Nov. 1, then shoots up $45 to $525 on Nov. 8, then back down to $480 on Nov. 16.

I have been reading that calls have been outnumbering puts substantially, and don't understand the MAX Pain numbers being so stagnant, except for the Nov. 8 date?

Everything is dropping off the cliff right now (2:35 pm), must be some bad news somewhere!

It was great to see the price over $500, and I hope we can get it back up there. I'm disappointed in the volume. We need some good news on the national front, and hopefully that volume problem should clear up. With good volume it will be possible to see the price increases most of us want. If we can get back to a forward PE Ratio of 15:1 that would equal $600 per share....I would be happy with that!

Yes it is true that they do not include the carrier stores, only the actual apple stores, but it is the only tool at quick disposal for the average person to get a feel of who and where has what. And yes, if you put in one area code it gives out stores over several hundred miles. You don't really want to enter every single zip code, right?

I desire to buy my next iPhone at my local AT&T where I have gotten all my past iPhones, and this gives me an idea of when I might be able to call my local store (when most of the apple stores have supply).

It doesn't give you all the answers, it just gives you an overall idea of availability. I want a gold 5s. So, I don't even call now. As the supply of gold 5s phones increase, I'll call and see if my local place might have them soon.

How else can you get this kind of info without calling everyday? One click gives you an overall look at supply in the area of your choice.

UPDATE: 50% + availability now in zip codes 90001, 77002, 30301, 32801, and 10001. The SAME ones I checked earlier! So, they have updated, or there was a problem of some sort? So, 50% availability of at least the 16 GB grey model in most areas according to:
http://iphone-check.herokuapp.com/?zip=33904&color=gold&provider=att

5s availability, California to New York. You can find out real quickly by inserting zip codes at: http://iphone-check.herokuapp.com/?zip=33904&color=gold&provider=att
Don't forget to search for each color separately (you have to change from gold, or none will show up).

A quick check of the Los Angeles area shows they are available on the west coast, with better than 50% availability of the 16 GB model in grey or silver, 0% available in gold. 0% availability of all colors in 32 GB or 64 GB models. Houston, Atlanta, Orlando, and New York 0% availability in all models and colors.

I guess it is good to know that they are selling every iPhone 5s that they can make.

Most of us are very sure of Apple's prospects over the next few months, however the stock prices are also controlled by other market forces. You do know that there is a government shutdown, a possibility of default of payments due, and the overall national economy being at least questionable during the short term?

All we need is some good news and Apple's stock price could go up 10 or 20 points in a short time. Good national news coupled with a China telecom announcement could be good for 20 or 30 points in short order. I have heard rumors that China telecom is a sure thing, they are only waiting for appropriate stock on hand before any announcements are made. Most say it will happen this month or next.

BUT, right now, at this moment, there are other things that are influencing the stock price.

This is the first I've seen about China Mobile probably being announced in October:
China Mobile, the world’s largest cellular carrier, won’t launch its foray into China with Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) until next month.

From this link:
http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/09/china-japan-demand-apple-inc-aapl-iphone/

It's a little confusing and I can't answer all the questions, but I just went to the Apple website, and under News Releases I went back to July. It showed a news release on July 19 about the past quarters results, but when you click on it, it shows that the actual earnings will be released the next Tuesday, July 23, and there is also a News Release on July 23 where the results are posted. I'm assuming the same thing will happen next month.

I accessed their website from this link:
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AAAPL&ei=Vk27UfGhLoWr0AHTDw
and then went down the page on the right hand side to the "News Releases".

Apple has on several times in the past, announced on the Friday before their Earnings Release that the conference call will be the next Tuesday, at 2 pm Pacific time, or 5 pm Eastern time.

The 18th is a Friday, and the 22nd is a Tuesday, so past results point to the actual ER being on Tuesday, October 22 at 5 pm Eastern time.

Good news from Schaeffers Research:
"Bullish betting is approaching fever pitch on Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL), with traders buying calls at an accelerated clip. During the past 10 weeks, the stock has racked up a call/put volume ratio of 2.06 on the International Securities Exchange (ISE), Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE), and NASDAQ OMX PHLX (PHLX), indicating that speculators have purchased twice as many AAPL calls as puts. Even more telling, this ratio stands just 1 percentage point from a 52-week high, implying that investors are initiating bullish bets over bearish at a near-annual-high clip."

http://www.schaeffersresearch.com/commentary/content/blogs/apple+inc+aapl+bullish+betting+hits+fever+pitch/trading_floor_blog.aspx?single=true&blogid=117939

Oh, sorry, I got it now. YOU closed it out pre-market below your stop-loss price! Good move, I'm glad you didn't lose any more money than you did.

Oh, that's great they closed you out pre-market and saved you some bucks! I didn't know they would do that? Anyway, now that you are OUT, you have a chance to get back in on the positive (Call) side ......any chance of that?

Let's see, if your Stop-Loss was at $468, that means you sold it at a price less than that, and when the price hit over that amount this morning, your stop-loss was turned into a market order, so I guess you had to close it out about $471 to $473? Am I close?