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Very, very dumb move for anyone who's gonna stick on Goldberg's flypaper.
This means absolutely nothing. There is no descent ethical business enterprise that would get near this scam company run by a long time scam artist - GOLDBERG. Let me make it simple to understand.Like willingly going to bed with a leper. Show some conscience and quit trying to push this crap.
OK, sorry, my mistake. I thought you already made your investment in the mango market. Far better deal than investing here.
Every one of the 1715 wrecks had a nuclei, meaning a main concentrated ballast pile but that, in most cases, wasn't where the remaining (modern day) treasure came to be located. The unsalvaged treasure proved to be scattered (parallel) to the beach for considerable distances.
Where's the pro. mango picker these days. We need a professional opinion here as to what's going on.
FORGOT TO ADD THE SIMPLE BUT WELL MEANING "GOOD LUCK"
Your analogy is not correct. There are variable ways with now proven remote sensing electronics to tell whether you're on something or not. I've already been there so may I humbly ask how many others on this board have been there? Time to dump the excuses. Its there or it isn't. My question inevitably has to be , is this group of amateurs capable of producing the results? Thats my own flat out opinion.
Understand and do agree.
There are the good guys and the bad guys in this game. Everybody knows that.
The facts are the facts, in now over six years "this dog don't hunt", or rather just doesn't find. That could change soon of course. We all should know that too.
You just might say the track record speaks for itself. "By far the gold standard" - really? Six years into the game and haven't found a lick of treasure. So that's the "gold standard" you speak of?
Actually, just the opposite. I do believe the main wreck site is out to sea on an outer shoal, and what's been previously found, not by this bunch but by Hartland, is a probably large piece of flotsam that came in. this conforms rather well with the research and statement made by the renowned historic shipwreck researcher Jack Haskins. I've actually posted and made comment on all of this before but thats not what people on this board like to read. In most cases, fairytales are more preferable which here again takes me back to the Juno Beach wreck and all the marvelous posting here on that subject. - what a joke.
All in all, I believe there to be a detectable trail of some sort but how far spread the dots are, who knows. Once again the bottom line is the show's about to come on stage soon and the ultimate proof (if there is any) should soon be revealing.
Founding a treasure hunting company on the likes of the Juno Beach wreck speaks volumes which I've said a number of times before. Most posting here would now like to just sweep all that under the carpet, perhaps out of embarrassment that one even invested. The cards are now on the table on this site #3 play so maybe this company can redeem itself. That time is now very near. Nevertheless, It doesn't change the cast of characters, does it?
None of this surprising me.
How right you are. "it's coming", long over due that this scam be shut down and Goldberg goes to jail. The mango picking down Jamaica way is open opportunity I'm told. You might consider looking into it.
Simple as that. You're right.
On that note, your postings are a direct intent to aid and abet a clearly proven fraud so please don't cry foul.
Really. In this case its rather the cries of the fool may resonate most profound. It seems your not simply satisfied to let this play out for what its going to be. Your anxiety expressed option achieves nothing. Let it play out.
Matter of fact, I believe he has figured it out and you ring around the rosy posters don' t like what you see. So cut the crap and let the curtain come up on the next and final act which comes inevitably soon. For me personally, I don't even need a front row seat. I kind of know what the play is all about. The actual ending remains to be seen for which I'd not bet the life of an ant.
The turd in the toilet coming for the final (long overdue) flush.. Your efforts are astounding. Inevitably, a free buffet treat due you compliments of the scam man Goldberg. Was else could yo possibly hope for.
This is not my purpose in comments on this board. Although as I follow your relentless process of due diligence, it brings me to the realization of the finding of this company. A CEO who doesn't dive, has no proven association to dedication of historic shipwreck history (180* to Mel Fisher), and than pumps a debut on a looser wreck the likes of a site like the Juno Beach wreck. From my perspective, what a joke. This follows the typical process of hire some creditable names in the industry (guns for hire) to enhance , support the endeavors of the company/ Personally. I and veteran family members have seen this all before, Nothing new.
Regardless as to all has come to this final stage. again, it does not matter. Good weather coming, a final permit (were is it?) - facts talk and s--t walks.
Major run coming! Where to, the bathroom? This pig isn't running anywhere.
Tell me where Goldberg picks up these posting clowns? To promote a fraudulent worthless stock such as this tells one allot about the posters supporting it. No question in my mind - part of the high ethic Goldberg team. What a joke.
Think what you will. All honest persons here know INOH for what it is. A turd is a turd. Looks like it, smells like it so quit trying to turn it into a candy bar.
Thats not the issue "pretty interesting". Its the validation of historical documentation that connects said name to the 1715 "Concepcion". That has never been produced. Now, repeatedly, I have to say again that I am not challenging this issue. Even be, if from the "Concepcion", I new all as part of wreckage flotsam. Not recoveries from the shipwreck proper. Wearily, I say again, get the permit, the good weathers coming, so it should take but little time to prove all this out if performing team knows what they are doing.
This is all positive but where is the historic documentation validation that one Dona Juana Isabel de Chabez Espinosa de los Monteros was the Concepcion's captain's wife or even a passenger aboard said ship?
Very valid point. This has bothered me ever since I've seen those plate photo's posted here like dozens of times. The plates are real but never any validation of the historic hype like I pointed out before. To my knowledge, this was not SFRX making these statements. Am I correct?
As I fairly posted today. the good weather is coming, the permit should be in hand, then the work that follows will produce the proof of it all. Everything else seems rather meaningless.
Not the intent to bust bubbles but if there was more to this than just that which Hartland found, do you believe for one moment Taffy Fisher who regulates the grandfathered in 1715 shipwreck contracts (times past), wouldn't have jumped on this quickly? The Fisher camp had the way and means of getting it done inland with the state as well as professionally in the water. Same reason the Fishers weren't one bit interested in the Juno Beach wreck.
No I don't know what they found but can imagine what they've not found more so. It seems to make sense that if anything worthy was recovered, they'd have posted it in order to generate some enthusiasm for investment. I still make the statement "follow the trail" but also know, speaking professionally, there may not be a trail to follow.
No "they" meaning SFRX has not found a cannon, Hartland found it previously. The coin story has yet to be validated with photographs and supportive statements of the finder/s. Yes, again, the pistol, the plates, etc. are Heartland recoveries (?), not SFRX. I have yet to see documentation copy showing the Concepcion captains wife and thus correlated with the name on the plates. Assuming that's all factual, and I'm not contesting that it isn't, that doesn't change the "follow the trail" matter at all. It's my opinion, even if from the Concepcion, this is flotsam that came from the main wreck site which could be a very long way off, according to Jack Haskins research. So the bottom line comes to, what does it even matter? So SFRX is going to get the permit, the weather / sea state conditions eventually change for the good and then there's no room for excuses and fairytales. The proof should be evident in short order.
The facts, at least known, to date are rather clear. No ballast, no cannons (plural), no treasure, and one might evan say next to nothing. Well wood and a deadeye fitting is something, isn't it? I have consistently emphasized two key words "flotsam" and "trail". Nothing to date shows otherwise.
You may or may not know a new book came out in July 0f 2015 titled "Finding The Fleet" by Robert F. Westrick - marine archaeologist. On page 187 under "Two 1715 Ships.....Undiscovered", second and third paragraph down it says;
From archival documents, most researchers agree that two of the fleet's ships - the merchant nav San Miguel and the patch Nuestra Señora de la Concepcion - were severely damaged in the storm and sank in the vicinity of Cape Canaveral or continued on their voyage and sank in deep water.
The Concepcion struck the south side of Cape Canaveral and sank. Seven survivors floated on a hatch cover for three days as the currents swept them around the shoals and sand bars of the cape, where they landed on the beach and walked to St. Augustine.
On page 189 under The Hunt Continues, 5th paragraph says;
Dr. Eugene Lyon, John de Bry (author apparently doesn't recognize the PhD status) and Jack Haskins have all contributed immensely to what we know about the 1715 fleet through their archival research. The importance of their research cannot be understated.
I have posted some of JACK HASKIN'S research here previously with regard to the 1715 Concepcion and will do so once again with his personal comment in capitals.
AGI ESCRIBANIA 1058C From WWNB #12. Page 68......
The Concepcion grounded on Cape Canaveral with only 7 men escaping, who stayed in the water 3 days on a quarter of the ship (MUST HAVE BEEN A WAY OFF SHORE)
Obviously, as the other 1715 shipwrecks lost were wrecked within a couple hundred yards of the beach. People aboard those shipwrecks came into the beach dead or alive.
Now when I posted this information before, one of you armchair historians / shipwreck experts rebuked this saying, well, there were a number of "Concepcion's" in the 1715 fleet. That be the case, list the full name of each one and the documented circumstances of their survival or demise please?
Now perhaps you can grasp a better understanding of my position of opinion referring to "Flotsam" - "Trail".
FLOATSOM
Yes, thanks, you made the correction.
Correction. I have never posted that I believed the treasure was close or in the vicinity. That, I do believe was an opinion of capped. NOT ME.
None of this comes as a surprise as I and family members had done research that produced similar results. I kept my mouth shut.
My suspicions have always been (coming from a professional position) as to why an all out serious company (???) launches their existence on a looser wreck such as the "Juno Beach Wreck". If one goes back through the posts and the support this scheme then had - enough said. Actually embarrassing.
I have also learned that a number of the astute posters here on this site are direct loyalist company persons who may or may not be shareholders but do have a obvious company associated agenda. So back to the who am I to be given any consideration. Its just my overall opinion. The obvious roll of the dice is on the current play.
If I were trying to support my stockholders confidence as regard to this 1715 "Concepcion" theory,
I would (1) post the historic information relating to the silver plates previously found by Heartland relating to these belonging to a passenger (Captain's wife???) (2) I would post the actual documentation allegedly found by the companies researcher (original copy with translation) showing this was coming from the lost 1715 "Concepcion". I've never seen anything like that.
Renowned researcher Jack Haskins (now deceased) provided documentation that the 1715 "Concepcion" sank off of Canaveral, apparently way out to sea (I have posted and provided this information before with AGI research references). Only five survivors who were adrift for days before being rescued. This is obviously not a wreck that was lost close to the beach like most of the others. I was contested on this based upon the assumption (not proven historically listed fact) that there were more than one "Concepcion" lost in the 1715 fleet) Most happy to be corrected with validated facts.
Assuming there is in fact a connection between previously Hartland discoveries and manifest / passenger lists of the 1715 "Concepcion", this was always the basis of my repetitive statement of "follow the trail" as it sure "ain't where you think it is. Here again the opinion of a simple nobody posting here.
This stock has no fundamentals. No ethics either. Its run by a penny stock scam artist with no conscience. Not an assumption but a provable fact.
$$$I$$$N$$$O$$$H$$$ yep! Right into Goldberg's pocket.
Why not ask jonnymangoes. He seems to know what's coming but just isn't sure if its in this or the next decade.
I personally find it sad as to what extremes people will go for their own self-gain fully knowing others will loose there money on a flat out time proven scam like this. Mangoes ripe down Jamaica way.
Says who. You?
I'm already excited about the prospects of this scam finally being shut down and Goldberg indicted on charges of fraud. Always mangoes to pick down Jamaica way.