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Juno is the joke of the industry. Funny this company was founded on just that. Wonder why?
Suggest you direct that question to the INOH mango man.
With all politeness, what does this have to do with SFRX? Yes, other Fisher sub-contractors have found treasure. This company has found nothing. So what's the point of your post?
Understood. My comment referred to, in my own opinion, the directional destiny of the company. Historically, they come and there go.
Know what? I for one don't care. All dust in the wind.
This whole thing has been a soap box opera since its beginning by my observations.
I believe you're right. From what you just posted, it appears tone a rather dismal picture so why would anyone want to continue in this business if Spain is waiting like a vulture to swoop down and lay claim to what is found. Do you know if Florida contracts provide indemnification to protect their contractors from having this sort of ting happen?
Overwhelming percentage of investments in treasure hunting ventures are a never ending investment down a rat hole. Especially this one from my observations.
Be patient. Goldberg and the mango man are having problems with the mango super juice formula. The big launch is coming.
I'm not retired and I'm not sitting on the sofa as you put it. I monitor and post on this site as I find it humorously entertaining. Frequently I will seriously render my opinion or advise when I see things represented wth misinformation or outright nieve B.S. And speaking frankly, its not often I do find anything positive to say. A six year looser, so what could I even begin to say positively?
Doesn't look like you bought too much or are you just waiting?
Eventually, I can already surmise what the State is going to do.
SCM: I respect your tenacity in progressively exposing what's going on but why the vulgarism, or at least that's what I see it as? (the Fat Bastards). While posting let me say again, I have zero respect for this company, as I see through allot of it on the treasure hunting field side of things along with cheap trick misleading, applauding of the company which irritates me. I say this as I well recognize this board is followed by undoubtedly well meaning stockholders who are clearly and simply naive.
Prevail. I should think you hope so. Zero for three in now over six years. Kind of resonates a message, doesn't it.
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I am 100% sure that the FBAR loves the fact that they have the leading archeologists in the world. Divers that are retired military.
I know both of these persons. Sinclair and DeBry are by no means the leading archaeologists in the world (should be marine archaeologists). I have allot of respect for Sinclair. My point is, people who don't know the facts shouldn't be posting MISLEADING statements of which there were a number in an earlier post here today.
For me substantiated truth is always welcome. As to the "baloney", I call it as I see it.
You need to know that when you put out a post like this it becomes a lightening rod for the truth. At least to those who have enough professional experience so as to discern truth in this treasure hunting game. The two "leading archaeologists in the world" are paid hired guns which is what they do for a living and this is not at all unusual for start up penny stock companies to do. Good or bad. Particularly when its a company without a success track record whatsoever. One of those "leading archaeologists in the world" doesn't like to be reminded all too much about this association anymore.
You say that in your "opinion more than just a treasure hunting company! They do care about the history of their finds" First of all they don't have much to care about simply because they've never found anything to date truly worthy of note. Secondly, if and when they find artifacts and treasure worthy of note, its becomes their contractual obligation to care. "They want to preserve" you say. Preserve what? Here it goes again, flaunting "Divers that are retired military". I have the utmost respect for military divers as I have dove and worked with a number of them but that doesn't make them good treasure shipwreck hunters or salvors. On that subject, the only one with any real shipwreck diving experience who was diving with SFRX was Ace Ridgley who its now rumored is diving with Danny Porters crew on one of the other 1715 shipwrecks. Is that true?
"What about this? Sure seems like a solid company to create archaeological scholarships. I wonder if other companies invest into our future?" The National Foundation of Marine Sciences? Sounds impressive but, frankly it isn't. In my opinion and that of others in the know, what an attempted come-on. Its time for you and others posting here to know that within the academic community, marine archaeologists frown upon treasure hunters period and most creditable institutions are not going to collaborate with scholarship type programs from a zero success treasure hunting company. Go to INA (Institute of Nautical Archaeology) at College Station Texas and see what kind of reception that hallabalu receives. Tell me, what in this whole wide world does SFRX have to contribute to the marine sciences? New innovations in marine technology? New innovations in excavation and recovery methodology? What?
From my point of view the baloney has gone on far enough. Get the permits and get out there and find the wreck (if its there), then the company really becomes a somebody. Until then, well let the reader be the judge.
Real sweet. Actually none of this surprises me.
So is Craig Huffman currently an attorney for SFRX?
This has really turned into a first class side show. Back to the grand question. Where's the permit? When does this company get back on the water? All the other east coast contractors are out there working.
So in conclusion it's obvious again that SFRX has permits pending, current valid permits and is working diligently with FBAR and Mary to watch over each other's Butts and get this permit done correctly.
Interesting selection of words which I'm sure "Mary" would appreciate. In other words (meaning the same) you watch my back and I'll watch yours. Could almost be construed as collusion, depending on how one reads your post.
"The fact is though SFRX or any other company has not found the missing 1715 fleet yet. It's been over 300 years and nothing. I do find some peace knowing a company has spent over 8 years looking is closer to finding a treasure ship then anyone else".
You might want to read and re-phrase that statement. Indeed, nearly all of the 1715 shipwrecks have been located and many, under contract and worked on a seasonal basis are to some extent, yield treasure and artifacts. For this company, eight years of on going failure can not be justified by saying "over 8 years looking is closer to finding a treasure ship then anyone else". As pertaining to real genuine hunting, you may want to take a look at what Global Marine, Inc. is doing in its multiple contract areas off of Cape Canaveral right now. Their performance is that of now finding anchors, ballast, iron and bronze cannons but apparently withholding from divulging anything respective to actual wreck site discoveries.
This company (SFRX) launches its debut, as already known by professionals in the industry, as a flat out loser; yes, I'm referring to the Juno Beach site. There obviously was never any sound due diligence or research done, validating anything good about this site. To me that was strike one.
Then comes site #2. Don't have to even get into details on that one. Strike two.
Now we have the grand site #3 in the center of the spotlight. Everything of substance ever found there was recoveries by Heartland, not SFRX. Recoveries (or exposure) of some wooden planking and a deadeye strap (a belt buckle?) by SFRX only adds to my contention that this represents a piece of flotsam that broke away from a main wreck site (somewhere). No ballast, no cannons (1) no artifacts, no treasure. The point here, is the fact that this company has done very little genuine treasure hunting other than to attempt to ride "piggy-back" on something someone else has already started.
As for me, all of these controversial, confusing issues of he did this, he did that are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Blow away the smoke, break the mirrors and it gets down to this. Get the permit and then following the old saying "put your money where your mouth is" meaning play this out and find the wreck or (in this particular case) call it a day. So thats my opinion but then as said before what do I know?
That's it. All they do is change the label.
Goldberg and the mango man are probably down in the Dominican Republic preparing for their new promotion. Importation (USA) of a new super vitamin enforced mango juice Goldberg guaranteed to make you look and feel 20 years younger. You know, a Dr. Do-Good cure all.
Interesting. What's interesting about a non-definitive statement as that was? Meaningless. On the other hand when you have nothing else to say, I suppose why not. If you're referring to me as having "no skin in the game", how right you are and pleased with that position. That's not new as I've been clear on that point before. I am confident to say that I assuredly know more about the treasure hunting game than probably 90% of the people posting here. I follow and post on this board when I believe some corrective, suggestive guidance might be of some value. Other than that its really amusing realizing there are so many "skin in the game" naive people out there. Thats only my opinion but then I've been down a number of these similar roads before. Isn't this suppose to be about getting the permit and playing this out to a conclusion, meaning find the wreck? Leave the dignitaries and scientists in the grab bag for now.
Should I or anyone else be impressed?
True. Point well taken. there is no necessity for calling the CEO the names as I've seen done.
Here again (maybe your actually joking) why would foreign dignitaries or scientists show interest in a six year non-producing treasure hunting company? Unless they've come up with a way to make high octane jet fuel out of sea water, they're no different than any other wanna be treasure hunting group, the likes of which have come and gone throughout the years. Your right saying "You just never know what can happen......".
When is the candid exposure of facts to be categorized as "droning on and on"? Explain.
The bottom line - An on going circus my opinion. Truth can be painful depending.
"Pull up some good stuff" Don't you need a shipwreck first?
I clearly posted what I meant. "IF WHAT YOU POSTED IS CORRECT" Why? Because I don't know. Why should I object to any of your statements? No reason.
My position is well known here. I have no respect for SFRX as a "professional treasure hunting company". Six years in the business equals zero. Allot of on going speculation with little or no results. I agreed to sit on the side line and let this play out but there's no play without the permit/s is there?
If what you have posted is correct that SFRX has submitted false filings, why should anyone believe the State is going to grant them any permit? Rather confusing.
Yes, the Cape Canaveral pursuit still could pan out but in the meantime Global Marne is on the outer section of the Cape now finding a scattering of cannons, anchors and some ballast. This could well be the "wreck-side" end of the trail in his area. I have always believed (and still do) the research and comments made by Jack Haskins, saying the "Concepcion" is on one of the Cape outer reefs or shoals. I guess cheap shares are great but not much supportive security from a company that seems to avoid candid reporting to its stockholders. Thats just the way I see it.
Look at it this way, if the mango man said it, you can bet your last bottom dollar on it. (Goldberg has no problem with taking that bottom dollar too).
A trend and a ride probably makes sense. As a treasure hunting company, please be real.
Good humor never hurts does it. Whatever it might possibly be, its unlikely to be treasure hunting related as this company has a zilch track record in the field. Actually embarrassing depending how you want to look at it.
Yes, the point you make I can't deny. To me this whole thing is in a free fall without rime nor reason. The permit and get on with the show.
In these days, in this game, not too often.
That should prove interesting. I suggest you pull up the list of all the countries that have signed the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty. The only ones, as relating to Spanish Colonial treasure shipping routes that have not signed are;
The Bahamas. They are not issuing contracts.
The Dominican Republic. They have shut down all contracting and no longer issue any.
Venezuela. Forget it. Not interesting anyway. In bound route.
Colombia. New Law. Extremely high application standards. A company that's been in business for six years, never found a Spanish Colonial period shipwreck or never salvaged same, treasure or not, wouldn't get in the front door.
From my point of view the Cape Canaveral pursuit still could pan out and that should be the company focus. If they can't get the permit, well, that dissent mean very much.