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Great news to all and Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone notice that the name is Revenge Designs Ordinary Shares on my scottrade quick quote and that the Scottrade share count is 6.192 million. Is that scarry good or what?
Comments and thought appreciated.
TC
I was wondering, because as soon as I bought it, they dropped it down to .0083. I'm almost ready for this to run.
Ok, How did they show that 28450 buy? I just bought them through Scotty Trade, since it is finally up and running. And Yes, just for Manni, I bought at the ask of .0085...lol
TC
Has anything changed at all with this company, other than the unfortunate wording by the new PR team? I can tell that this PR was written by someone other than the previous writers. It was very professional. Professional use words that push the envelope to build shareholder confidence and to attract new shareholders. Were they a little too over board? Maybe, maybe not. The bottom line is that there are talks and a deal for Revenge to carry Harrop products. This is bad news? I think not.
And as far as bashers go, I was in FCCN and lost quite a bit. I have not returned to that board to post negatives and reasons why I pulled 90% of my shares out of it. I looked for a better company that has the potential to prosper and grow. If in fact this company turns out to be a scam, which I sincerely think it will not, I will not post bad things about it. I will simply try to exit as best I can.
I have great respect for DRAC and wish him the best in all his trades. He deserves a bookmark.
Now, on with the day.
TC
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I caught myself, just as I was about to smack myself...DOH!
Don't forget that I am buying more on Monday. Hold all buys and sells til Tuesday. .009-.0095 suits me just fine.
Wasn't this board dead until this PR. I believe some made that observation yesterday.
TC
I agree Dog. If you buy the Harrop parts and use them in the upgraded cars you are selling, you are in essence selling Harrop's product. Not in a retail sense, but you have bought the product, installed it in a car that you sell and recover your expense. Only time will tell. But it seems that whoever is selling is not hurting us too bad. I noticed that NITE was on the bid at .009 with 10000 earlier. I don't have live L2's. Maybe this will help them to cover or whatever.
I do very much like the way that this is slowly unfolding.
TC
If this PR had been issued by Harrop and stated that Revenge was the exclusive dealer, then I could only assume that Revenge would be the only company selling Harrop products. As I understand this PR, Revenge will carry and sell Harrop products, exclusively.
Excluding carrying or selling any competitors product of like sort.
I don't see the big deal. Don't do something you will regret without letting all the facts bear themselves out.
TC
I don't know if you guys have seen this, yet. Very informative.
BILL CLINTON's MILITARY CAREER
(Bill & Hillary - Grit your teeth before you read this!)
Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Selective Service Number is 326 46 228.
Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 19 64.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.
Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.
Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969, under authority of COL. E. Holmes. < BR>
Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2) (a) regisrant who has failed to report...rem ain liable for induction.
Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!
Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a
fugitive from justice.
Bill Clinton recei ves pardon on January 21, 1977, from President Carter.
Bill Clinton becomes the FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President of the United States.
All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by Clinton.
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.
military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bom bing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible be hunted down and punished.
Maybe if Clinton had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people in New York and Washington, DC. who are now dead would be alive today.
THINK ABOUT IT! It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8
Million for her forthcoming memoir. Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written. This from two people who spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath.
Sincerely, Cdr. Hamilton McWhorter USN (ret)
P.S. Please forward this to as many people as you can! We don't want this woman who has never even run a country store, a business or any thing that requires management skills to even THINK of running for President is insane!
Early is the key word. lot's of time to digest it.
You have to have the capacity to meet demand to get the big contracts. Looks like we are moving that way.
A Fred perspective by John Hawkins.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2007/10/12/the_conservative_case_for_fred_thompson_in_2008
Well, What a read! See I work for a living, so I don't get to spend that much time reading these threads...lol
Did I hear that we need to have a Dem Pres, Senate and House? What a bunch of BS. I am on the far far right wing of the Republican party. I am a Christian first, not one of those hypocritical ones that have no tolerance for those that are different. I was taught that God created us as equals. I was also taught to hate the sin, not the sinner.
That being said, I do not want to have to pay more taxes to support those that are too lazy to better themselves. We have adult learning classes for anyone who wants to do just that, LEARN- a trade, a skill, -ENGLISH. Or better yet, stay in school and take classes.
Can you imagine what the US would look like if Nancy Pelosi could mandate her San Fran values on all of us. I shutter to think of this.
I have worked myself up into a tizzy. I have some great feeds if anyone is interested and I will be sharing some very interesting articles, if permitted.
PS- My wife can not believe that no one picked up on that dude's name. CHARLATAN. Was not this person a fake and a con?
I'm leaning toward Fred Thompson. I'll post reasons later as it is getting late.
Night all,
Chris
Just as an fyi, I put my buy in at .0085 around 10:00. It filled, I don't know how they showed it but it was bought at the lowest point in the day. They probably showed it as a sell. I was surprised it filled. It was my effort to support the bid.
I will be buying more on Monday.
TC
I added more today. Got a great deal on them.
Would you pay full price for a car that was on sale at 15 percent off?
When the time is right, nothing will hold this back.
TC
Well I am happy and sad at the same time. Great day today, but I am saddened at the prospect of not being able to get any 8's tomorrow. I am going to have to pay a penny per share to get more.
Glad to hear everything well, Steve.
This just keeps getting better and better, Buckeye
This is from Michellemalkin.com. Can you believe the utter stupidity of these people?!
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/10/housing-sob-story-of-the-day-unemployed-600000-in-debt-and-looking-for-sympathy/
Where will it stop? As I noted on Fox Business Network last week during a segment on the Hillary/Bush housing bailout, the interest-rate freeze was the camel’s nose under the tent. Not content to publish sob stories of short-sighted homeowners who overextended themselves with subprime mortgages, newspapers are now crusading on behalf of other homeowners under water who admit it’s because they just made “bad decisions.”
If this Orange County Register story doesn’t send your blood pressure through the roof and have you shouting “Boo Freaking Hoo!” at the top of your lungs, I don’t know what will. It’s titled “Tapped-out family’s home is at risk: Fullerton grandparents struggle with their home loan’s rising payments.” It begins:
John and Grayce Coffman could lose the Fullerton home they bought in 1977 because they can’t keep up with their mortgage’s rising costs.
The Coffmans, who are unemployed and in their 60s, borrowed $552,300 from Countrywide Financial, the largest U.S. home lender, in the summer of 2005. Despite making about $50,000 in payments since then, they now owe more than $590,000 to Countrywide.
They, like many other consumers during the go-go days of the housing boom, tapped the rising equity in their home. They took out a loan that allowed them to make a low monthly payment, but tacked the unpaid interest onto the loan balance.
Now the Coffmans say they can’t afford the minimum payment of more than $2,000 a month, which has gone up from $1,776 when they first got the loan.
And they certainly can’t make the fully amortized payment of more than $4,500, which would be roughly 80 percent of their income. The Coffmans earn about $5,400 a month from Social Security and government assistance for five of their six adopted grandchildren, according to the Coffmans and their recent bank statements. (One grandchild is now an adult.)
Big lenders like Countrywide have programs to help certain homeowners in distress, and President Bush last week announced a plan to keep some subprime borrowers in their homes. But neither of these plans will help the Coffmans, who don’t have any subprime loans.
Why should other taxpayers be forced to Do Something for this family that admits culpability for their unwise financial choices?
They bought their two-story home for $97,000 in 1977 and have since extracted all the equity gain in it. They’ve cashed out $600,000 in home equity with the help of several lenders, including Countrywide, Washington Mutual, Wells Fargo, and Greenpoint Mortgage Funding.
They spent the money on household bills, an expansion and remodel of their home to make room for the children, and to shore up John Coffman’s struggling radiator repair shop, which was sold in 2005, they said.
After taking out a second mortgage in February from Wells Fargo for $114,855, they now owe about $700,000 on their home, which is worth about the same, according to Zillow.com, a Web site that evaluates a home’s market worth.
There is no equity left to pay for a refinance, and they couldn’t afford payments on any other loan even if they could, the Coffmans say.
“How did it happen? I can’t tell you,” Grayce “Penelope” Coffman, 64, said. “We just made some really bad decisions.”
The newspaper went so far as to contact Countrywide on the family’s behalf to plead for leniency. The article then tries to make the case that the homeowners were duped because loans are “complicated:”
Coffman says she doesn’t remember what Linda Wilson, the loan officer at Countrywide who got them into the loan, said about the loan’s risks when they first got it.
Wilson, however, said she explained everything about how the loan behaves and how payments can change over time.
“They totally understood the loan,” said Wilson, who works in Riverside.
The Coffmans signed a deed of trust that outlined how the interest rate could change over time.
But mortgage broker Altman said borrowers rarely read the fine print, and brokers or loan officers at banks should explain in detail how any loan will behave. He generally only suggests option ARMs to sophisticated borrowers, such as investors in several properties.
“You are talking about a very complicated loan,” Altman said.
Personal responsibility? What’s that?
The Coffmans have about $1,400 in their joint checking and savings accounts, according to their November statements. Grayce Coffman said they have no other savings.
They do have one prospect for future income. Coffman and her brother inherited a property in Palm Springs from an aunt who passed away. They are selling it and will split the profits.
Coffman said she might use the money to pay off the second mortgage from Wells.
“I just don’t know,” she said.
Just a matter of time before Hillary Clinton or John Edwards–or someone in the Bush administration–makes the Coffmans the next poster family for Doing Something about the housing crisis that these people brought on themselves.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:18 pm, zorro said:
Wow, didn’t read the fine print. Well, well, well, cry me a river.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:22 pm, William Teach said:
Personal responsibility? What’s that?
Those are two words that have been eviscerated from the Pink Liberal Bible.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:29 pm, hadsil said:
Devil’s Advocate:
When they, or others, join the homeless population, then what?
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:36 pm, bvw said:
a loan that allowed them to make a low monthly payment, but tacked the unpaid interest onto the loan balance.
Such “loans” should be banned. This is the outcome. It’s a bargain between to fools, and society ends up bearing the cost of allowing it.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:41 pm, bvw said:
“between two fools” to fix last
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:41 pm, Thomas said:
Just a matter of time before Hillary Clinton or John Edwards–or someone in the Bush administration–makes the Coffmans the next poster family for Doing Something about the housing crisis that these people brought on themselves.
Be careful not to report on this story and these people any further, lest you be accused of “stalking” them.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pm, puhiawa said:
What the hell were they thinking of?
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pm, DocattheAutopsy said:
Holy crap. They took out a loan for over half a million dollars on their home equity.
I wish I could do that.
These people bought a house that skyrocketed in value and now they’re going to lose it because they were hopelessly stupid. Hey, you guys were smart enough to pay off the first mortgage. What happened? And just how much did he sell his radiator shop for?
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:47 pm, John Ansell said:
If I go to Vegas and blow all my money on a high risk gamble, will the Government bail me out or help Vinny waive the money owed? Buck Up
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pm, gollumclone said:
#3 duh, maybe they could downsize? They’re already getting welfare payments for kids. American “poor” seem to be obese and have plenty of toys compared to someone living on the streets of Calcutta.
Or perhaps the family could move en masse to the Gaza strip, say they have converted to Islam and then collect the big $$ welfare from US and Euro taxpayers? Or ask John Edwards for some space on his massive estate?
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:50 pm, dfern said:
When they, or others, join the homeless population, then what?
They won’t be homeless. They can move into an apartment, and get jobs like the rest of us.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pm, meatpieandtatters said:
Time to sell the house and liquidate the debts folks!
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On December 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pm, madchef said:
Have they thought about getting jobs? They made the bad financial decisions, they blew through $523,000, why now should taxpayers pick up any part of their debt?
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:08 pm, crashemt said:
Just wanted to thank these idiots.
Your greed and inability to live within your means has locked both myself and my wife out of the market. Houses now cost 3-5 times what they should. Especially here in the DC area. It’s not that we couldn’t put ourselves in the poor house like you all did, it’s just that we were dumb enough to believe that you all would fall on your asses trying to have a Caviar home on a soda cracker budget.
I hope the whole market collapses on your empty heads.
How the hell do you figure that you can buy a house with a $3000 monthly payment on $2000 net income? How can you afford to refinance for a loan payment of $4000 on a fixed income of $1500?
The sooner Darwin’s law starts kicking in, the better America will get
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:09 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:
I seriously think public schools need to start teaching financial responsibility in grade school.
But then again.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:10 pm, TXRose said:
Why aren’t one or both of these people working? They’re too broke to take early retirement. I just don’t understand how anyone can be so stupid as to sign a paper
without reading the fine print and if you don’t understand it, take it to an attorney or
an accountant. It wouldn’t cost that much to have it explained to you if you don’t trust the lender.
I cannot believe how people get themselves into these fixes and then expect to be
bailed out by the taxpayers. They are already living on our ticket with welfare payments.
We got into a bit of a fix when we were first married because we were trying to help
the parents. We scrimped and worked extra jobs to get everything paid off. Never
once would it have occurred to us to as anyone for help. That goes double for
thinking taxpayers should bail us out. We felt that since we miscalculated, it was
our place to straighten out the mess.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:14 pm, wrcnossen said:
I have a simple philosophy - no one has the right to stick their hands in my pockets to solve their personal problems.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pm, LC said:
The “I’m 64 Get Out of Debt Plan”:
Step 1: File for Bankruptcy
Step 2: Rent an cheap home with Section 8 assistance
Step 3: Never again own anything
Step 4: The End
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:20 pm, LC said:
Oh yeah, and thanks for making the market so overpriced…I’d love to buy a home but I can’t even afford 750 square feet.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:22 pm, jsr said:
“You are talking about a very complicated loan,” Altman said.
Fixed rate for a set period, typically 3 to 5 years. After that the rate floats, which almost always means it goes up. At the same time your loan balance increases due to negative equity. So what is so complicated about that? This is not rocket science, or even calculus, just basic sixth gade math. Are these the same people that can’t figure out how to read a ballot?
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:49 pm, DaveC said:
student of Dave Ramsey..
get a job, go to work, bring home money..
somebody has a pizza place that needs a delivery driver..
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On December 10th, 2007 at 10:54 pm, tony the tiger said:
aHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Freakin’ baby-boomers…
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On December 10th, 2007 at 11:06 pm, DaveC said:
John and Grayce Coffman could lose the Fullerton home they bought in 1977 because they can’t keep up with their mortgage’s rising costs.
The Coffmans, who are unemployed and in their 60s, borrowed $552,300 from Countrywide Financial, the largest U.S. home lender, in the summer of 2005. Despite making about $50,000 in payments since then, they now owe more than $590,000 to Countrywide.
with a 30 year loan, in 1977, should have been pretty much paid off..
why would they need to borrow half a mill on their house?
okay.. read the rest of the artical.. paid off part of his failed business. but it looks like they are unemployed right now..
either get a job or adopt more grandkids for government assistance to make up your forbearance..
Not that I am some great financial wizard.. but be smart with your investments.. there will always be someone ready to help take it off of your hands if you are not careful..
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On December 10th, 2007 at 11:15 pm, TXRose said:
Sitting at home on their butts whining about being broke. Gotta be Democrats.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 11:22 pm, reverenddon said:
I understand everyones take on this, I really do. But my goodness, they are in their 60’s. You realize that could be your parents someday. We all make mistakes … I am very responsible for mine. And I try to help out those that are not as fortunate as myself as much as I can. Sometimes it’s not about the left or the right or the tax and the spend. Sometimes it’s about compassion.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 11:33 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:
What I don’t get is how they figure they can’t afford to repay the loans in the first place. If they pay the “over 2000″ that still leaves at least 3k/month, or about 700/week to support two adults and five children, and that’s not counting the adult grandchild who should be chipping in.
If they pay the 4500, that’s different. But still, you’re starting with 900. Add in just about any kind of job, and you make that number 2000. Tough sledding for 7 people? Yes. Impossible, no. Especially if you use the inherited cash to pay down one of the loans.
Honestly, after hearing people hawk these loans day in day out for years, I do believe they were duped. I also believe they were incredibly foolish and shortsighted. What I don’t believe is that they need any more relief than to simply (to coin a phrase) Suck It Up.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 11:37 pm, Fried Spam said:
reverenddon said: Sometimes it’s about compassion.
But don’t force others (taxpayers) to pay for that compassion.
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On December 10th, 2007 at 11:41 pm, Thomas said:
On December 10th, 2007 at 11:22 pm, reverenddon said:
Sometimes it’s about compassion.
Give me $100.
I deserve it. I made mistakes. Your compassion = money to me.
This is whats going on here. Unless these people were robed of their life savings by a con artist, preying on the gullible … these people, who should have known better, stand to have their mistake corrected out of the pockets of others. IF you want to donate $100 to their bail out fund, then God bless you. If I learn that they were preyed on by a charlatan who lied to them, I might even feel compelled to send them a check.
If ‘you’ (anyone) suggests that I pay for it, then we have a problem.
On December 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pm, DocattheAutopsy said:
Holy crap. They took out a loan for over half a million dollars on their home equity.
I wish I could do that.
These people bought a house that skyrocketed in value and now they’re going to lose it because they were hopelessly stupid. Hey, you guys were smart enough to pay off the first mortgage. What happened? And just how much did he sell his radiator shop for?
^^^ Is absolutely right.
And it’s distressing when people make mistakes with their money. Time to do what everyone has to do when faced with a screwup:
On December 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pm, meatpieandtatters said:
Time to sell the house and liquidate the debts folks!
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On December 10th, 2007 at 11:50 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:
Rev, I don’t disagree. But compassion in a case like this is helping him find a job he can do. Depending on the real specifics, maybe it’s filling their pantry. But there’s a line between helping and enabling.
Frankly, if they were my parents, or my children, or brother, etc, I’d be doing everything I could to help them, no matter whom I thought was to blame. But I wouldn’t be holding them out as a sob story in hopes the government would help.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 12:01 am, tim zank said:
I’d be curious to see just how far in the hole his business was. Seems pretty obvious to me he sucked all the money out of his house to support his business. His blatant lack of basic math skills is, sadly, not my freakin’ problem.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 12:04 am, Alphonse said:
This is all a result of abolishing debtors’ prison and coddling those of low character.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 12:05 am, docflash said:
Im sobbing for the 5 chillllldren
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On December 11th, 2007 at 12:07 am, commonsensemom said:
It’s a tragedy that the price they could pay for their bad decisions is so high. But to have the government bail them out is absolutely ridiculous. Plenty of other folks have bad decisions cascade on them and end up in bankruptcy, losing their homes, etc. Everyone has a sob story. Pick any one of ‘em and put ‘em on the front page to advocate for yet another government intervention. Welcome to the slippery slope to socialism. MM - as usual, you’re right on in your analysis.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 12:15 am, dutchcedar said:
The Coffmans, who are unemployed and in their 60s, borrowed $552,300 from Countrywide Financial, the largest U.S. home lender, in the summer of 2005.
In less than three years, they’re broke. They went through half a mil in thirty months…
Hope they had fun.
Hope they have kids with a spare room to share.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 12:26 am, DaveC said:
the paper said they were on social security.. they need to get a job..
SUCK. IT. UP.
time to grow up and act like an adult with responsibilities..
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On December 11th, 2007 at 12:58 am, DaveC said:
stories like this grinds my gears …
The guy had a dream, his radiator repair shop.. fine, that’s great.. it went under and he did a lousy re-fi to pay off any debts he had. Did he throw a vacation in there too? Only the Coffman’s know.
His dream, the repair shop, went out of business. It’s sad but it happens in a free market. He took a big risk and it failed.
He needs to get back up and make some money.
but there should be no freaking way that the taxpayers should come in and bail out his bad money decisions ..
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On December 11th, 2007 at 1:04 am, macattack said:
I’m no economist, but doesn’t a bailout just help to keep housing prices unnaturally high? That may seem great to people who own homes now, but what about young people like me who are waiting to purchase a home because property values are too high where they live? Doesn’t a bailout indirectly punish people who play by the rules and make responsible financial decisions?
It seems to me that it is reasonable to assume that both the lender and the borrower knew (or SHOULD have known) that they were entering into a risky agreement.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 2:05 am, ArmoredCAV said:
Compassion is the job of the Church and the family. Not the government.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 2:12 am, Yashmak said:
Alphonse,
Your comment made me smile. That is all.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 2:42 am, RetFireman said:
How do some people get to be the age they get to be? I swear. So, they did not understand that their mortgage payments would go up when interest rates went up? Did they not understand that the more they borrowed, the more they would owe? What about the banks? Isn’t there something about a “Debt to income” ratio they are supposed to use that should have cut these people off at some point from their loan addiction?
No, I do not feel it is my fault or problem that they have to pay all this money back. Yes, I do feel very sorry for them, but as I cannot afford to purchas a home, and my wife and I make 6 figures a year here in California, I really do not have a hell of a lot of sympathy for people who got themselves into trouble by driving the housing prices up so damn high that hard working people like us with a family could no longer afford to buy a house of our own. Jealousy? maybe. Vindictive, possibly. Schaudenfeudenforoaueojfjlaj or whatever that word is? Most definately…but to put it bluntly these people were all adults who were ppurchasing a house, the biggest investment the vast majority of them would ever make, and if they were not mature enough to know what they were doing or getting into, then maybe this is what they deserve, and in the end, maybe the housing prices will return to a reasonable level to where hard working regular people like us can once again afford to buy a home for our families. AND not have to worry about the crap that is going on right now.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 5:14 am, graysonret said:
For 1 thing, it’s unconstitutional to bail out homeowners in “distress”. Remember that piece of paper that no-one pays any attention? We have the 10th amendment that offsets the “promote the general welfare” clause. That’s why they put the amendment in there, so government can’t use the clause to “do anything it likes”. James Madison and George Mason were big supporters of that. Now if people want to bail them out, pass an amendment. At least do it legally. We’ve turned this country into an entitlement, nanny state country, that will do nothing but reduce us down to another France and Britain. Hurricane Katrina showed how much we’ve ignored the law for votes and power. Like socialized medicine that’s coming, “I want to spend my money on the new electronics, not on my healthcare. Government should pay for it.” “Who cares about what made the country great. I want another car.” Liberals understand this, that’s why they want us dumb. It starts in the schools.
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On December 11th, 2007 at 6:48 am, AuntiEm said:
My guess is that the borrowed money is hidden away somewhere.
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#43
On December 11th, 2007 at 7:08 am, slp said:
The article does not explain when Mr. and Mrs. Coffman starting cashing out the equity from their home, but that is what they did.
They bought the house in 1977. With a 30 year mortgage, the original mortgage would have been paid off in full in 2007.
What they have done is turned the $ 700,000 equity in the house into cash and spent that $ 700,000 equity on
household bills, an expansion and remodel of their home to make room for the children, and to shore up John Coffman’s struggling radiator repair shop.
and probably refinance fees, interest, and other mortgage fees.
They got all $ 700,000 equity out of the house.
The problem is that they cannot afford a $ 700,000 house on their current income.
It is time to increase their income and/or move to a house that they can afford.
It is simple household economics that, unfortunately, Mr. and Mrs. Coffman do not understand.
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#44
On December 11th, 2007 at 7:13 am, timster said:
The owners buy the house in 1977 and then refinance in 2005 and now are going broke. If they didn’t get the 1/2 million dollar loan, their house would be paid off now (If they had a regular 30 year mortage). What about their children helping them out???
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#45
On December 11th, 2007 at 7:18 am, bvw said:
Nearly all are focused on the couple underwater in debt.
Remember there were TWO sides to this loan.
The side that is MORE LIKELY (by far) to put out the alms basket to the rest of us — and with the gun of the legislature to our heads while so “begging” is JUST as culpable in instant case, and then multiply that culpability by thousands and thousands of such idiotic deals they made as adults fully sane and edcuated that they now want rescue from.
Which is that side? The officers, managers, directors and stockholders of the “financial” outfits. They — along with the legislators and hangers-on they lobby with — are the big rot. The couple — they are idiots, financially speaking, but the bankers — they planned to come after US when their idiotic deals fell through.
They are vile. Rotten. Thieves who plan and carry out.
Such loans are like gambling “contracts” — they should be outlawed. And the present bunch of managers and bankers and directors who made them should be up on charges of conspiracy and racketeering.
If we were men, that is.
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#46
On December 11th, 2007 at 7:34 am, CJ said:
Okay, how do you adopt grandchildren? I mean, I know how to adopt a child (in the process of doing so right now, in fact), but people tell me grandchildren are so much more fun than children since you can spoil ‘em and send ‘em back. So how do you skip the raising-the-kid step and go straight to adopting a grandchild instead of a child? Or does the reporter mean they are raising their biological grandchildren because the parents (these folks’ kidlets) can’t/won’t take care of them? Six of them??? And they need government assistence to take care of them??? Okay, maybe the parents died and the grandparents stepped in, and the assistance is social security survivors benefits. But if that’s the case, the estate should also have some money in trust to take care of the kids — the assets of the dead parents, their life insurance, etc.
Something doesn’t pass the smell test here. It sure sounds like irresponsibility has been a hallmark of this family for a long time. If they are getting government assistence for raising their own grandchildren, then they’re already being bailed out by the taxpayers.
But the comment section at the end of the article is heartening. Check it out if you haven’t already.
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#47
On December 11th, 2007 at 7:50 am, aimcifer said:
This makes me want to rip my hair out. A few years ago my husband and I couldn’t afford our housing payments. We didn’t cry, whine, beg, etc. We sold the home we loved, took a few years to pay off debts, and are now trying to save money to someday buy our own home again. We are renting an old sort of run down house with a lower rent so we can save money and make things right again. It was our responsibility to do so. Now I know in the current market that houses are difficult to sell, especially when people want to get enough to pay off all they owe and have some left over. As difficult as it is to have to lose what you worked hard for, that is just the way life goes sometimes. Michelle’s dead on… suck it up. Do what you have to do to make things right again. It takes sacrifice and yeah it really hurts to have to do it. But it’s what’s right. Personal responsibility.
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#48
On December 11th, 2007 at 7:55 am, TexasTiger said:
But mortgage broker Altman said borrowers rarely read the fine print…“You are talking about a very complicated loan,” Altman said.
Thank you, American public school system. Thank you, teacher’s unions. Just giving “props” to the unsung heroes in this saga.
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#49
On December 11th, 2007 at 7:58 am, tgillian said:
How ’bout me?
Back in ‘99, I bought an AR15 (pre-ban) that cost over $2,000. Now that the ban has been lifted, they’re going for around a grand.
My investment just tanked more than 50%. Can we get some help here?
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#50
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:07 am, st_james said:
Hey, what about me! I need some help with my credit cards. ? I make 25k a year, and have 50,000 in credit card debt. I was late a few months on one of the cards and now they are all charging me 24.9% interest.
I mean this is
( Sorry, Gotta go. The Circuit City truck just pulled up with my new 72″ Plasma T.V. and 20000 watt surround sound system. )
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#51
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:09 am, sausage said:
Not keen on this “suck it up” nonsense - but undoubtedly this couple were insane to take this massive loan out and the state/government shouldn’t have to dip into my/yours tax dollars to bail them out.
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#52
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:34 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
They remind me of the Frosts.
Not exactly the worst case scenario here. There are some people who have it worse off.
It’s great that they opened their home to foster children - They should be applauded for that. But it seems the money that they received monthly for those kids paid for other things.
They don’t exactly inspire confidence that they will prevent this from happening again. And happens if it does happen again?
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#53
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:34 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
And what happens if it does happen again.
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#54
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:37 am, James Felix said:
I seriously think public schools need to start teaching financial responsibility in grade school.
That would be a neat trick, considering they no longer teach real math.
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#55
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:39 am, Tantor said:
I’ve spent maybe a thousand bucks on lotto tickets over my lifetime. Where’s the government program to return the money from these admittedly bad decisions? Sure I made the decision to buy them but society is to blame.
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#56
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:47 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
Tantor,
Just say you are trying to pursue the American dream and they almost have to bail you out then. No American dream left behind.
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#57
On December 11th, 2007 at 8:53 am, HeatherRadish said:
On December 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pm, madchef said:
Have they thought about getting jobs?
If they get jobs, they get their “government assistance” taken away. They have more income not working.
On December 10th, 2007 at 11:22 pm, reverenddon said:
You realize that could be your parents someday.
Maybe your parents. My parents, thank God, are not idiots. They’re in a two-bedroom house (I sleep in the unfinished storage closet in the basement when all the kids-grandkids are there for holidays) that’s fully paid off, and zero interest in “extracting the equity” to finance frivolity or further investments. I’m sure they have long-term investments for retirement, but they didn’t bet the house on them.
I’m sorry–I had a fairly spartan childhood without the fripperies my peers because my folks priorities were securing the roof over our heads. I’m currently in a sh**ty apartment in a questionable neighborhood because I was going to save money for a house. Thanks to moron[s] like the Coffmans, I’m now going to need a 20% downpayment for a 30-year fixed loan, and on my one salary it’s going to take me another five years–about the time this ARM freeze thaws and we start the whole process over again–to get it.
Bailing out these morons with my tax dollars is just insult to injury.
And you want to bitch at ME about “compassion”??? My compassion is for people who deserve it, not for people who waltz through life expecting others to finance their remodeling projects while they sit at home complaining about being poor.
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#58
On December 11th, 2007 at 9:27 am, JohnnyNJ said:
…..Bankers, Car Dealers and Lawyers con-artists and thieves all.
I worked for a major car dealer here in NJ and the general theme at the weekly sales meeting was, “say ANYTHING, even lie if you have to, to get the people on paper. We’ll deal with the problems later, if they read the fine print”.
Although bankers may be a little more sophisticated and better dressed, they are also thieves….. And don’t get me started on lawyers.
That being said, no government bailout. Sadly these people need to “feel the pain”.
“You can’t teach Stupid”
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#59
On December 11th, 2007 at 9:38 am, jrlingreenbay said:
I’m with CJ #46 -
There’s no mention in this story about the ‘grandchildren’s’ parents - assumably they are this couples child / children.
I wonder about the history here - given the tendencies of the MSM.
If these are their biological grandchildren, then either:
A. Their parents died - in which case, it would seem that the reporter would make mention of that in the article in an effort to paint a more sympathetic picture.
B. Their parents are living - and for whatever reason, are unwilling or unable to care for the children. Certainly a point that would most likely not be published when reaching for sympathy.
Given the seriousness of their situation - the article is certainly lacking in background on how these two social security receiving / massively in-debt people acquired all these kids.
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#60
On December 11th, 2007 at 9:45 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
JohnnyNJ,
Agreed.
We bought our home here in NJ last year. It was a buyer’s market. We went with 100% financing. The bank tried their best to get us to take out a larger loan. We thought it over and didn’t go that route. We knew what we wanted to pay per month and didn’t want a high interest loan, interest only loan or subprime mortgage. We are better off for it.
Who doesn’t want the big house on the hill? Or the big house on the lake?
Your income, your house, your money to pay back, your responsibility.
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#61
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:09 am, shooter said:
Coffman said she might use the money to pay off the second mortgage from Wells.
“I just don’t know,” she said.
No brainer. Yes use your own money to pay your own bills!!
If you have to, LIQUIDATE and try again.
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No one bailed me out more than a decade ago, I liquidated down to about zero.
I didn’t aske for gvmt help.
Millions dont.
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#62
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:15 am, uhangtight said:
she doesn’t know if she is going to take the money from the sell of the inherited property to pay the mortgage of the house she is living in? wow, what does she plan to do with it?
this is just a case of people who live in the moment and do not want to suffer the consequences of their actions.
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#63
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:18 am, uhangtight said:
#57 On December 11th, 2007 at 9:27 am, JohnnyNJ said: “You can’t teach stupid”
that and you can’t fix stupid…
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#64
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:38 am, davidleerothmann said:
Who doesn’t want the big house on the hill? Or the big house on the lake?
I sure did. My wife and I qualified for 3 times what we borrowed in 2005. I switched mortgage banks because the people we were dealing with seemed disappointed that we refused to act like idiots. In any case, we didn’t get the 3 car garage that I wanted, or the gourmet kitchen that my wife wanted. 6 months ago my wifes income went down by 50%. Guess what? Not a problem for us, because we made responsible choices, and made sure we could afford our house payment even if things went wrong.
Now I feel like the moron of the century for not shooting the moon and then crying on the 6 o clock news! I could have been soaking in my indoor hot tub and pulling a beer out of my sub zero frig! Now the government is going to get into MY pocket to help out the idiots who are sitting in their hot tub, swimming in their pool, watching movies in their theater room, and sitting around with no job in a gated community? All I got to say to that is “screw you”.
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#65
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:48 am, babbledabble said:
In one respect I do feel a bit sorry for them because I know how hard it is for “older” people to find jobs. On the other hand, my husband was laid off several times, once for almost a year, & yet always managed to make house payments. Even though the company he has worked for for the past 10 years has no retirement plan, & he has had a small raise only twice in hose same 10 years, we have managed to build a future retirement home & it is totally debt free! We drive two cheap cars, have no big screen TV’s, take few vacations, we live frugally. So it can be done.
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#66
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:56 am, okiedokie said:
Now the paper has banned comment. This from the paper:
From the editor: Many of you have expressed concerns about some of the harsh anonymous comments from readers. To remedy that, we are introducing new features. You can create your own blog, publish your news and share your photos with the community. Once you fill out a simple form and leave a verifiable e-mail address, you can set up your profile page. It will display all of your contributions and allow you to track issues and easily connect with others.
We want our site to be a place where people discuss and debate ideas that foster stronger communities. We built this for you. Please take care of it. Tolerate broad thinking, but take action against obscene or hateful material. Make it a credible and safe place worth preserving and sharing.
Yeah, “Tolerate broad thinking“, except thinking that promotes fiscal responsibility. For that you have to get your own space on a blog.
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#67
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:58 am, fourstringfuror said:
On December 11th, 2007 at 10:18 am, uhangtight said:
#57 On December 11th, 2007 at 9:27 am, JohnnyNJ said: “You can’t teach stupid”
that and you can’t fix stupid…
What would Ron White say about this? :)
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#68
On December 11th, 2007 at 11:08 am, fourstringfuror said:
I’d like to know more about the children, and why they aren’t helping. Are they too young to work? If they are old enough to work, why aren’t they helping out financially? One of the children is now an adult - why isn’t he/she helping out? After all, this couple was kind enough to take these children in and put their life on hold to raise children that didn’t belong to them. Seems paying some of their bills would be the least these children could do.
Some people would say that children shouldn’t have to spend “their” money on house payments and bills, that they need to spend it on whatever it is that makes them happy. Well, where I come from, loyalty to the family comes above my happiness. Everyone helps out, like it or not, whether that’s mowing the grass, pulling weeds, painting the house, feeding the cows, or getting a job to help out with bills. If my parents were in dire straits today, you better believe I’d be helping them out.
That said, I agree with the other commenters who say these people need to sell the house, sell a car, and get jobs.
Personal responsibility. Own it.
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#69
On December 11th, 2007 at 11:45 am, ethanthom said:
I agree CRY ME A RIVER
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#70
On December 11th, 2007 at 12:11 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
#64, I hear ya.
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#71
On December 11th, 2007 at 12:38 pm, pdigaudio said:
How in the heck did they go through half a million dollars in 30 months? And why would anyone loan someone money with no means of supportable income?
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#72
On December 11th, 2007 at 1:04 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:
hhhhmmmmm….
Since I am an honorably discharged vet with a 50% disability rating do I get to have my house paid for?
Hold tight there Van. I have some funds coming in tomorrow. I would love to get more at .008-.009. Although my current account would love to see.03 again...lol
Just being polite. Hope to keep current here on this do nothing congress in Washington.
Cool Board.
Mind if I bookmark you guys?
TC
Good morning all present and future stock holders.
Bookmark for you guys.
Only one I can think of is Toyshare TYHR. Played it as MRXT and was up about 6 bags, then the 1 for 1000 rs came and I was left with 27 shares. Sold some before split. O/S is around 235,000.
TC
This is directly from the Revenge web site. This company has been in the making for a very long time. This is not a get rich over night company. This company does seem to have key relationships in place that I believe will help it become very successful in the US. Time and deals is all we need.
http://www.revengedesignsllc.com/about.html
Revenge Designs INC in joint venture with Lingenfelter Performance Engineering have combined their styling and engineering talents to create a very special vehicle for the driving purist.
Mr Peter Collorafi is a car designer from Queensland, Australia. Peter has been designing and installing modifications for factory produced vehicles since 1980. For the past six years, Peter and his son Justin have worked with GM Holden on the Monaro creating mild performance and award winning styling modification packages for the Monaro. Because of Peter’s background and experience, he realized that the Pontiac enthusiast would not accept the Monaro as the new GTO. As a result, Peter and Justin set out to find a way to improve the GTO design.
In July of 2005, Peter met with Mr Tom Cress, the new owner of Lingenfelter Performance Engineering (LPE). Tom’s association with the late Mr John E Lingenfelter exceeds over 20 years. John Lingenfelter recently lost his life due to a racing accident and Tom Cress wanted something to accent the Lingenfelter racing legacy, which is famous for its enhancements to another GM product, the Corvette. The archetypical American muscle car. Tom and Peter from their discussions, the Revenge Designs Enhancement was born. The two decided to offer the Revenge modification in two versions.
WAIT!!!!!
He pointed out that there are 2,850 Pontiac dealers in the United States, so the market for sales of Revenge's modified and enlarged GTOs is quite extensive.
Sell one car per Pontiac dealer per year and you have 2850 cars sold per year.
That's a piece of cake.
Thanks Pan,
Just sitting here watching the Steelers try to beat the Pats and doing a little Christmas shopping online. I can't believe what some people will post.
All I can say is that if this company handles things properly over the next few weeks, I don't think any of their shareholders will be disappointed.
How many companies can you name that are 2 months old and have made this much progress?
Just a note on Fridays trades, how many shares were shorted?
Also I noticed that there looked to be more buying than selling. I guess that was a DUH comment.
Looking forward to next week.
I believe you are wrong Caution. 2500 is the number or cars per year. Right now there at least three lines that we know of and at least 2 as yet not announced. Take these 5 lines and you only need 500 per line. This can be accomplished, I believe, with ease.
I already stated that if you can sell just 5 cars a month in the 50 largest cities in the US, you will have over 2500 cars per year.
These cars are not marketed toward people that had to get a sub prime mortgage. They are targeted to young business people and those approaching their mid life crisis. You know, the ones who want to prove they still have "it".
These cars have the potential to fill a very big void in the market place. Cars with muscle.
Can you imagine what will happen if they do get a deal with Hummer. The peolple that buy Hummers don't mind paying more. Couple that with a "Tricked" out Hummer and you have an awesome product that will fly off the showroom floors.
As always,
JMHO
Been on the road most of the day. Very glad to seen a color other than red. I was beginning to believe that we would never see green again. Love the way the tone on this board has changed. Nothing has changed at all with this stock, except the FACT that the O/S has been lowered by 4 mil.
Looking forward to another climb up the chart like we had a few weeks back.
TC
Caution,
I believe everything that Van reported on was public knowledge. Check the newspapers, Google and do a little DD yourself. The main reason I got into this play was because everything that I found in the i-box could be validated.
I just thought we needed change of pace, on the bright side the bid seems to be building. So all was not lost.
I was not sharing a political view.
M,
I believe what you are referring to can be found on the info in the ibox. I don't recall any other mentioning of it until you brought it up.
We are all waiting on contracts to be PRed.
TC
This is an interesting thread I found.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c0176
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Re: why is GTO being discontinued ? [midnightcowboy] by hammen2
Sep 07, 2006 (9:50 am)
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It was discontinued because GM Holden in Australia, which made the GTO for GM North America, is in the process of discontinuing their current V-body vehicles for their new VE chassis. The original contract between GMNA and GMH was for 3 years of GTO production, after which time GMNA would start building Holden VE-based vehicles here in North America.
Those vehicles were behind when that plan was shelved last March. It has subsequently been reborn (the new Camaro is part of that plan, but the vehicles we are getting are no longer exact copies of the VE chassis). Holden discontinued the Monaro at the end of 2005 since its LS1 motor no longer met Australia's emissions standards for 2006. Holden continued to build LS2-based vehicles for Holden Special Vehicles and Pontiac, until June 7 of this year.
The GTO was NOT discontinued because of slow sales; it was discontinued because its three-year contract was up. Holden and GMNA actually looking into continuing GTO production for 2007 and 2008, but the GTO did not meet the new 2007 smart airbag standards, and it would have been a significant cost (plus many crash tests) to re-engineer the vehicle to do so. In light of the end of the V-chassis and the expense, they elected to let the 3 year contract run out.
GMH built approximately 14,000 2006 GTO's for GM (in 8 months of production), after ~11,000 2005's (in 9 months of production) and ~16,000 2004's (in 11 months of production)...
Pontiac may get a vehicle off the new Global RWD platform that's being used for the Camaro. They might also get another imported Holden. Whether the vehicles are coupes or sedans are not known. One rumor is that the next GTO will again be a rebadged Monaro, built in Australia (if so, MY2009). Another option may be that Holden's SS-V sedan comes here as a Pontiac (MY 2008 or 2009). Another possibility is that GMNA may produce a Pontiac coupe or sedan on the same assembly line as the Camaro, but not until the 2010 model year.
I think we'll know more after the North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January. I will be there to see whatever Pontiac concept is shown (at this point, it's pretty certain there will be something there).
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Re: why is GTO being discontinued ? [hammen2] by dickc
Sep 07, 2006 (10:15 am)
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Also be aware that Revenge Design and Lingenfelter Performance have purchased 1000+ GTO'Monaros to be "maggie supercharged" and outfitted here in the states (Decatur, In)beginning next year...........see/plug link below:
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/business/15037965.htm
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Re: why is GTO being discontinued ? [dickc] by fenwah
Sep 12, 2006 (10:08 am)
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Here's their web site...those cars look aggressive...ME LIKEY!!!
http://www.revengegto.com/
Any idea if this would void the GM bumper to bumper warranty?
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Re: why is GTO being discontinued ? [fenwah] by dickc
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As for the engine work, Magnuson-Moss Act allows you bolt-ons with no warranty deletions by manufacturers. However, your bolt-ons can not mess with emmissions. Magna Charger Superchargers, which is what they're installing, are simple bolt-ons and street legal in all 50 states.
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OHHHHHHHHHH but for the internet!!!!!!!!
20 yeas ago we would have never heard of this stock or probably any other penny stock. This same internet that has given us knowledge of the penny market, has also cursed the penny market. Many use charts, others Fundamentals, still others trade by MOMO which comes from these boards.
I feel this stock is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a few weeks ago you could have purchased it for .0025. Now with that being said, I really don't think that Collarafi or Carnes are really concerned about us gamblers here, nor should they be until they have tied up all the loose ends.
Let them do there thing and either buy, sell, hold, trade, flip, pump or bash. It's all good. Charts don't lie. Does this chart speak of dilution, or does it speak of a flippers paradise? Watch the chartist post. You can tell when they are in and out. When they get back in, buy. When they are quite, they have sold and are waiting for a re-entry point.
FWIW: If the regdex was to retire and make shares preferred, new O/S would be 50 mil projected earnings of 28 mil. That's earnings of .50 per share. Can you say SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
Think about this: Is the glass half empty or half full?
It's all about perspective.
TC
Sorry, I'm just a little sensitive at this point.
How can you say it is dilution? What is your basis for this?
How much can you make to follow a company from pinks to OTC BB to amex to nasdaq to nyse?
OK,
Either two things are apparent concerning SHCM, either there is major dilution or there is major nss. I choose to believe the later in light of the recent buyins site. We will either sink or swim based on the feelings of the current investors still in this stock. Don't forget it still is a stock and it has only recently just finished the merger. As for me, I will hold and see how this plays out over the next few weeks. After all I was in FCCN for almost a year, so time is not important to me. What is important to me is no dilution and a solid business plan. Only time will tell.
TC
Posted from "Christian Prayer Room"
I read about a journalist who is assigned to the Jerusalem bureau and took
an apartment overlooking the Wailing Wall. Every day when she looks out, she
sees an old Jewish man praying vigorously. So, the journalist goes down and
introduces herself to the old man. She asks, "You come every day to the
wall. How long have you done that, and what are you praying for?" The old
man replies, "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the
morning I pray for world peace and then for the brotherhood of man. I go
home, have a cup of tea, and I come back and pray for the eradication of
illness and disease from the earth." The journalist is amazed. "How does it
make you feel to come here every day for 25 years and pray for these
things?" she asks. The old man looks at her sadly. "Like I'm talking to a
wall."
It should show 2 to 1 on buys verses sells been watching it all day.
I have enjoyed hanging out with you guys this afternoon. I'm stuck in Nashville til 18:00. Rarely I get to keep track of this board during the day.
almost a million shares bought in the last 7 minutes.