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HRCT Charge!
I love beautiful women! You need a lot of money.
SirMB: Are you there?
olddog2000: To run HRCT we need Carly Fiorina!
This beautiful actress was in the movie "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon".
OT2: Another exciting movie: Musa
OT1: An exciting movie: Hero
HRCT 0.68 -0.04 0.68 0.69 1,014,303 12:30:42
There are no old men, just old kids!
HRCT MMs are the worst crooks!
HRCT needs to get off the OTC ASAP!
PSR of NTES = 25
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NTES
How high is high, how low is low?
As of cob today, HRCT's PSR is equal to 0.72*163.5/(5.7+28.1) = 3.5, ignoring revenues of Q3/02 and Q4/02.
As of tomorrow, if the sp stays the same, then PSR is equal to 0.72*163.5/(5.7+28.1+33.7) = 1.7
How will the market accord a value to HRCT's PSR?
Data for reference posted on RB:
"By: EastWind_1 16 May 2003, 03:11 PM EDT Msg. 193983 of 197162
(This msg. is a reply to 193923 by EastWind_1.)
HRCT's PSRs To Remember
PSR (5/14/03)
Last Trade May 14 · 0.76 Change0.00 (0.00%) Prev Cls0.76 OpenN/A Volume0
Day's RangeN/A - N/A Bid0.75 Ask0.76 P/EN/A Mkt Cap71.7M Avg Vol713,545
52-wk Range0.046 - 0.79 Bid Size2,500 Ask Size2,500 P/S 63.03 Div/Shr0.00 Div DateNov 25
1y Target EstN/A EPS (ttm)-0.11 EPS Est0.00 PEGN/A YieldN/A Ex-DivN/A
0.76 * 94.3 = 1.14 * 62.87 (very close to 63.03)
PSR (5/15/03)
Last Trade May 15 · 1.04 Change0.00 (0.00%) Prev Cls1.04 OpenN/A Volume0
Day's RangeN/A - N/A Bid1.05 Ask1.05 P/EN/A Mkt Cap98.1M Avg Vol751,500
52-wk Range0.046 - 1.07 Bid Size500 Ask Size500 P/S 86.25 Div/Shr0.00 Div DateNov 25
1y Target EstN/A EPS (ttm)-0.04 EPS Est0.00 PEGN/A YieldN/A Ex-DivN/A
1.04 * 94.3 = 1.14 * 86.03 (very close to 86.25)
An understanding of PSR (directly related to market confidence level) will improve the pps prediction.
Go HRCT!"
Dr.: One can never wash one's hands twice at the river. Things are changing very fast and we can never get back to the old days! Coping with changes ...
Cheers!
Tin lives in Hawaii and I, Vienna, VA. I just got back and answered those posts one by one. You guys better be better trained by the FBI! LoL!
jmap was too quick with his fingers! LoL!
Dude: Welcome back. Remember that you are still on parole! LoL!
LoL! jmap: It's just a repost of one of Tin's posts on the subject.
Cheers!
A Reminder: "Q3 announcement will be issued AFTER HOURS on Monday Nov. 3..and the Q&A will come back to us the next Monday Nov. 10..
Just a little FYI for everyone..Lookin Good!
Aloha"
OT: For those holding high-tech jobs
High-Tech Jobs Are Going Abroad! But That's Okay
By Robert B. Reich
Sunday, November 2, 2003; Page B03
CAMBRIDGE, Mass.
There's good news and not-so-good news in the American workplace. The good news is that the economy is growing and businesses are spending once again, on high technology. The Commerce Department reported last Thursday a sharp pickup in spending on equipment and software in the third quarter. Not so good is the news that high-tech jobs have not come back, at least not so far.
Jobs in America's sprawling information-technology (or IT, as it known in the info world) sector -- including everything from software research, design and development to computer engineering -- are down 20 percent from late 2000. Salaries are down, too. In 2000, senior software engineers earned $130,000. The same job now pays no more than $100,000. Meanwhile, a lot of high-tech jobs are moving offshore. Is that a cause for concern?
When I was labor secretary, I fought to preserve U.S. jobs. So you might well assume that I would see the number of high-tech jobs moving offshore as a troubling trend. And yet, I do not. I'll explain why in a moment.
But lots of people are worried about it. Indeed, those anxieties seem to be increasing:
• On Sept. 30, Congress let the cap on H-1B visas issued to foreign high-tech workers to shrink from 195,000 to its old level of 65,000. The ostensible reason: to make sure more high-tech jobs go to Americans.
• Bills are pending in several state legislatures barring state government projects from using offshore high-tech workers.
• High-tech workers are organizing against foreign outsourcing. One group of them -- the Organization for the Rights of American Workers -- has demonstrated outside conferences on "strategic outsourcing" in New York and Boston.
The fear is understandable.
More than half of all Fortune 500 companies say they're outsourcing software development or expanding their own development centers outside the United States. Sixty-eight percent of more than 100 IT executives who responded to a survey last spring by CIO magazine said their offshore contracts will increase this year. By the end of 2004, 10 percent of all information-technology jobs at American IT companies and 5 percent in non-IT companies will move offshore, according to Gartner Co., a research and analysis firm that specializes in high-technology trends. And by 2015, according to a study by Forrester Research in Cambridge, an estimated 3.3 million more American white-collar jobs will shift to low-cost countries, mostly to India.
The trend isn't surprising. American companies are under intense pressure to reduce costs, and foreigners can do a lot of high-tech jobs more cheaply than they can be done here. Already India has more than half a million IT professionals. It's adding 2 million college graduates a year, many of whom are attracted to the burgeoning IT sector. The starting salary of a software engineer in India is around $5,000. Experienced engineers get between $10,000 to $15,000. Top IT professionals there might earn up to $20,000.
Meanwhile, it's become far easier to coordinate such work from headquarters back in America. Overseas cable costs have fallen as much as 80 percent since 1999. With digitization and high-speed data networks, an Indian office park can seem right next door. Matthew Slaughter, associate professor of business administration at Dartmouth College, says information-technology work "will move faster [than manufacturing] because it's easier to ship work across phone lines and put consultants on airplanes than it is to ship bulky raw materials across borders and build factories and deal with tariffs and transportation."
With such ease of communicating, the squeeze on H1-B visas will do little to keep IT jobs out of the hands of non-Americans. "It doesn't make a difference for firms whose business model has people largely working offshore," Moksha Technologies Chairman Pawan Kumar told the Press Trust of India. "It . . . will make firms drive business where the technology workers are." Guatam Sinha, head of the Indian human-resource firm TVA Infotech, agrees. "In fact, lots of techies are coming back to India." India exported $9.6 billion worth of software last year. Such exports are expected to grow 26 percent this fiscal year.
So why don't I believe the outsourcing of high-tech work is something to lose sleep over?
First, the number of high-tech jobs outsourced abroad still accounts for a tiny proportion of America's 10-million-strong IT workforce. When the U.S. economy fully bounces back from recession (as it almost surely will within the next 18 months), a large portion of high-tech jobs that were lost after 2000 will come back in some form.
Second, even as the number of outsourced jobs increases, the overall percent of high-tech jobs going abroad is likely to remain relatively small. That's because outsourcing increases the possibilities of loss or theft of intellectual property, as well as sabotage, cyberterrorism, abuse by hackers, and organized crime. Granted, not much of this has happened yet. But as more IT is shipped abroad, the risks escalate. Smart companies will continue to keep their core IT functions in-house, and at home.
Outsourcing also poses quality-control problems. The more complex the job order and specs, the more difficult it is to get it exactly right over large distances with subcontractors from a different culture. In a Gartner survey of 900 big U.S. companies that outsource IT work offshore, a majority complained of difficulty in communicating and meeting deadlines. So it's unlikely that very complex engineering and design can be done more efficiently abroad.
As smart U.S. companies outsource their more standard high-tech work, they're simultaneously shifting their in-house IT employees to more innovative, higher value-added functions, such as invention, creation, integration, key R&D and basic architecture. These core creative activities are at the heart of these companies' competitive futures. They know they have to nourish them.
The third and most basic reason why high-tech work won't shift abroad is that high technology isn't a sector like manufacturing or an industry like telecommunications. High-tech work entails the process of innovating. It's about discovering and solving problems. There's no necessary limit to the number of high-tech jobs around the world because there's no finite limit to the ingenuity of the human mind. And there's no limit to human needs that can be satisfied.
Hence, even as the supply of workers around the world capable of high-tech innovation increases, the demand for innovative people is increasing at an even faster pace. Recessions temporarily slow such demand, of course, but the long-term trend is toward greater rewards to people who are at or near the frontiers of information technology -- as well as biotechnology, nanotechnology and new-materials technologies. Bigger pay packages are also in store for the professionals (lawyers, bankers, venture capitalists, advertisers, marketers and managers) who cluster around high-tech workers and who support innovative enterprises.
In the future, some of America's high-tech workers will be found in laboratories but many more will act like management consultants, strategists and troubleshooters. They'll have intimate understandings of particular businesses so they can devise new solutions that meet those businesses' needs. They'll help decide which high-tech work can most efficiently be outsourced, and they'll coordinate work that goes offshore with work done in-house.
Don't get me wrong. None of this is an argument for complacency. It's crucial that America continues to be the world's leader in innovation. Our universities are the best in the world, but they can't remain that way when so many are starved for cash. Federal and state support for higher education must keep up with rising demand for people who are creative and adaptive.
Federal government investments in basic research and development are also vital. We need to guard against what is already a drift away from basic research toward applied research and development -- that is, from the creation of new knowledge that can be put to many different uses versus R&D that's related to the commercialization of specific products, especially military-related aerospace, telecommunications and weapons.
And just as with laid-off manufacturing workers, we need to ensure that high-tech workers are adaptive and flexible. They should be able to move quickly and get the retraining they need. Pensions and health insurance should be more portable across jobs. High-tech workers who want to polish their skills or gain new ones should have access to tax credits that make it easy for them to go back to college for a time.
But it makes no sense for us to try to protect or preserve high-tech jobs in America or block efforts by American companies to outsource. Our economic future is wedded to technological change, and most of the jobs of the future are still ours to invent.
Author's e-mail: reich@brandeis.edu
Robert Reich is Hexter Professor of Social and Economic Policy at Brandeis University. He was secretary of labor from 1993 to 1997
Talking about Babies
1. A baby needs to crawl before he/she can walk and run.
2. In the case of an Old Baby like HRCT (after being "hospitalized" for a long time in 2002 and revitalized (i.e., HQ negotiation) and reappearing in March 2003):
2002: poor revenues/big losses
2003: 1Q revenue of $5.7M / losses
2Q revenue of $28.1M / minute profit
3Q estimated revenue of about $40M / higher profit (?)
To properly raise a child to become a useful member of society requires patience, understanding, and time.
TS: You're quite a funny guy! I think this place needs you back ASAP, just to add some hilarity.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/profile.asp?User=5239
Cheers!
Just one more: so simple and yet so complex!
TS: Your absence is not unnoticed! I hope when you get out on good behaviors, the sp would pass one buck, and stay above that.
I have some confessions: (1) I do not know much about investing, but I live pretty well; and (2) I can build a house in five minutes, a house of cards! LoL!
Enough for today.
I attended a church wedding this afternoon. A beautiful day in D.C. areas. My long-term average cost (since late 1999) is about $0.45 a share, excluding $ 72K gain in 11/99.
These guys should just get their 30-40% profit easily and move on.
I might add that I had given up hope on HRCT many times during 2002. But here we are. Such perseverance! Such luck!
Exactly. Maintrean companies always announce the dates they will release the Qs. Remember a couple of times when HRCT got Es?
For the New HRCT (March 2003), here are the results so far:
1Q: R = $5.7M
2Q: R = $28.1M
3Q: R = estimated to be above $ 40M
The journey barely started.
Congratulations to those who bought in the $0.5 -0.6 range and sold last week. You've made 33%!
I want to hit it big so I'll wait a few more quarters. This kind of gain does not wet my appetite!!!
LOS ANGELES, August 6th/PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Hartcourt Companies, Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: HRCT, Frankfurt: 900009), www.hartcourt.com , today reported financial results for the second quarter of 2003. Revenues for the quarter were $ 28,112,109 as compared to $1,795,965 for the same quarter of 2002. Hartcourt recorded a net profit of $463,387 or $0.004 per share, as compared to a loss of $1,061,185 during the same quarter of 2002.
The increase in revenue was due to the consolidation of two-month operation of NewHuaSun and Guo Wei and three-month operation of HuaQing. Revenue of ZhongNan, a recent acquisition, would be recorded in Q3.
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My first estimate is that the revenue for the 3Q would be about $ 40M. Thus the revenue as of end of September 2003 would be about $70M.
Very roughly, from sp = R * PSR/OS, if the rate of increase in R is higher than that in OS, then sp will rise assuming the market continues its current "allocation" to PSR of about 3. If confidence is improved, then PSR can also rise, thus further impacting sp.
My other guess is that sp is ready to move to higher levels after the 3Q is digested. Remember that 4Q is expected to be the best quarter.
Look at AKAM, another bubble survivor.
Get off the OTC ASAP!
(3) For purposes of this table, the number of shares of the Company's common stock to be distributed in the Distribution was calculated as .09232471 share of the Company's common stock for each share of outstanding Hartcourt common stock, based on 15,100,000 shares to be spun-off and 163,553,177 shares of Hartcourt common stock outstanding as of October 17, 2003.
Of course we are not alone today! Why do people want the stock to go up everyday?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=HRCT.OB&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=ntes+sina+sohu+akam
Data
Date Open High Low Close Volume Adj Close
29-Oct-03 0.71 0.76 0.71 0.76 927,700 0.76
28-Oct-03 0.69 0.74 0.69 0.71 887,500 0.71
27-Oct-03 0.62 0.70 0.61 0.67 265,400 0.67
24-Oct-03 0.60 0.62 0.60 0.62 120,900 0.62
23-Oct-03 0.60 0.61 0.58 0.60 167,100 0.60
22-Oct-03 0.61 0.61 0.58 0.59 226,800 0.59
21-Oct-03 0.60 0.61 0.60 0.60 139,900 0.60
20-Oct-03 0.61 0.62 0.60 0.61 231,600 0.61
17-Oct-03 0.60 0.61 0.59 0.60 245,000 0.60
16-Oct-03 0.58 0.61 0.58 0.60 231,000 0.60
15-Oct-03 0.60 0.63 0.58 0.58 366,300 0.58
14-Oct-03 0.61 0.62 0.59 0.60 216,200 0.60
13-Oct-03 0.59 0.62 0.59 0.60 414,200 0.60
10-Oct-03 0.55 0.65 0.55 0.59 667,400 0.59
9-Oct-03 0.55 0.56 0.54 0.54 193,600 0.54
8-Oct-03 0.54 0.56 0.54 0.56 93,600 0.56
7-Oct-03 0.54 0.56 0.52 0.55 176,600 0.55
6-Oct-03 0.55 0.55 0.52 0.53 223,700 0.53
3-Oct-03 0.55 0.56 0.54 0.54 161,500 0.54
2-Oct-03 0.55 0.56 0.54 0.55 241,200 0.55
1-Oct-03 0.56 0.56 0.55 0.55 181,500 0.55
30-Sep-03 0.56 0.57 0.56 0.56 127,700 0.56
29-Sep-03 0.56 0.57 0.55 0.57 125,100 0.57
26-Sep-03 0.56 0.57 0.55 0.55 309,100 0.55
25-Sep-03 0.59 0.60 0.56 0.56 169,400 0.56
24-Sep-03 0.57 0.59 0.57 0.58 149,600 0.58
23-Sep-03 0.57 0.59 0.56 0.58 212,800 0.58
22-Sep-03 0.60 0.61 0.57 0.57 384,500 0.57
19-Sep-03 0.60 0.62 0.59 0.61 208,100 0.61
18-Sep-03 0.60 0.62 0.60 0.61 275,300 0.61
17-Sep-03 0.60 0.61 0.59 0.60 383,700 0.60
16-Sep-03 0.60 0.61 0.59 0.60 152,500 0.60
15-Sep-03 0.65 0.65 0.60 0.61 454,800 0.61
12-Sep-03 0.68 0.68 0.63 0.64 304,200 0.64
11-Sep-03 0.69 0.69 0.67 0.68 284,300 0.68
10-Sep-03 0.62 0.70 0.62 0.67 732,800 0.67
9-Sep-03 0.60 0.62 0.59 0.62 317,900 0.62
8-Sep-03 0.59 0.62 0.59 0.60 361,700 0.60
5-Sep-03 0.58 0.60 0.58 0.59 267,300 0.59
4-Sep-03 0.61 0.63 0.58 0.59 279,200 0.59
3-Sep-03 0.62 0.63 0.60 0.60 412,000 0.60
2-Sep-03 0.60 0.64 0.60 0.61 166,700 0.61
29-Aug-03 0.62 0.63 0.59 0.61 675,500 0.61
28-Aug-03 0.62 0.65 0.62 0.63 203,700 0.63
27-Aug-03 0.60 0.64 0.59 0.64 384,000 0.64
26-Aug-03 0.60 0.62 0.57 0.59 585,800 0.59
25-Aug-03 0.66 0.68 0.62 0.62 581,200 0.62
22-Aug-03 0.69 0.69 0.66 0.67 185,500 0.67
21-Aug-03 0.67 0.68 0.65 0.68 190,600 0.68
20-Aug-03 0.66 0.69 0.65 0.65 189,300 0.65
19-Aug-03 0.65 0.69 0.65 0.68 127,900 0.68
18-Aug-03 0.68 0.69 0.65 0.67 226,600 0.67
15-Aug-03 0.69 0.71 0.68 0.69 147,200 0.69
14-Aug-03 0.72 0.74 0.70 0.70 160,600 0.70
13-Aug-03 0.74 0.74 0.68 0.70 239,400 0.70
12-Aug-03 0.71 0.77 0.71 0.74 423,000 0.74
11-Aug-03 0.68 0.71 0.68 0.71 338,600 0.71
8-Aug-03 0.69 0.71 0.66 0.71 317,200 0.71
7-Aug-03 0.78 0.78 0.67 0.69 746,700 0.69
6-Aug-03 0.75 0.88 0.74 0.76 1,088,300 0.76
5-Aug-03 0.77 0.79 0.71 0.74 578,800 0.74
4-Aug-03 0.78 0.81 0.77 0.79 423,300 0.79
1-Aug-03 0.83 0.84 0.78 0.78 520,900 0.78
31-Jul-03 0.91 0.92 0.75 0.83 1,124,000 0.83
30-Jul-03 0.75 0.92 0.74 0.89 2,083,700 0.89
29-Jul-03 0.63 0.75 0.63 0.73 1,308,400 0.73
28-Jul-03 0.62 0.64 0.60 0.64 304,800 0.64
25-Jul-03 0.62 0.63 0.60 0.61 329,400 0.61
24-Jul-03 0.62 0.63 0.61 0.61 145,600 0.61
23-Jul-03 0.62 0.63 0.61 0.62 131,200 0.62
22-Jul-03 0.63 0.63 0.60 0.61 174,700 0.61
21-Jul-03 0.59 0.63 0.58 0.62 205,400 0.62
18-Jul-03 0.63 0.64 0.60 0.60 305,000 0.60
17-Jul-03 0.65 0.65 0.61 0.63 153,800 0.63
16-Jul-03 0.65 0.66 0.64 0.65 223,100 0.65
15-Jul-03 0.67 0.67 0.64 0.64 287,100 0.64
14-Jul-03 0.67 0.69 0.65 0.67 383,000 0.67
11-Jul-03 0.61 0.67 0.61 0.67 488,600 0.67
10-Jul-03 0.66 0.67 0.62 0.62 637,900 0.62
9-Jul-03 0.73 0.74 0.67 0.67 1,095,300 0.67
8-Jul-03 0.65 0.73 0.65 0.71 1,661,300 0.71
7-Jul-03 0.59 0.67 0.59 0.65 886,300 0.65
3-Jul-03 0.55 0.57 0.55 0.57 124,400 0.57
2-Jul-03 0.53 0.56 0.53 0.56 161,200 0.56
1-Jul-03 0.52 0.55 0.52 0.54 195,200 0.54
30-Jun-03 0.58 0.58 0.52 0.54 339,900 0.54
27-Jun-03 0.59 0.59 0.57 0.57 200,400 0.57
26-Jun-03 0.57 0.59 0.57 0.59 73,800 0.59
25-Jun-03 0.61 0.61 0.58 0.59 194,500 0.59
24-Jun-03 0.58 0.61 0.58 0.60 223,400 0.60
23-Jun-03 0.58 0.64 0.58 0.59 145,900 0.59
20-Jun-03 0.56 0.64 0.56 0.64 300,000 0.64
19-Jun-03 0.65 0.66 0.57 0.57 405,500 0.57
18-Jun-03 0.61 0.66 0.61 0.65 519,500 0.65
17-Jun-03 0.55 0.61 0.47 0.61 940,900 0.61
16-Jun-03 0.58 0.59 0.52 0.56 633,100 0.56
13-Jun-03 0.64 0.65 0.58 0.59 623,000 0.59
12-Jun-03 0.66 0.68 0.64 0.65 201,600 0.65
11-Jun-03 0.64 0.68 0.64 0.67 436,200 0.67
10-Jun-03 0.65 0.68 0.64 0.65 335,500 0.65
9-Jun-03 0.64 0.68 0.64 0.67 351,300 0.67
6-Jun-03 0.64 0.67 0.63 0.64 336,900 0.64
5-Jun-03 0.70 0.70 0.62 0.65 613,700 0.65
4-Jun-03 0.68 0.70 0.68 0.70 358,600 0.70
3-Jun-03 0.71 0.73 0.66 0.68 822,800 0.68
2-Jun-03 0.61 0.71 0.60 0.69 1,450,600 0.69
30-May-03 0.54 0.61 0.53 0.60 904,900 0.60
29-May-03 0.46 0.54 0.46 0.53 2,546,600 0.53
28-May-03 0.48 0.57 0.47 0.49 3,290,400 0.49
27-May-03 0.49 0.65 0.46 0.65 3,654,500 0.65
23-May-03 0.60 0.61 0.51 0.54 4,419,100 0.54
22-May-03 0.75 0.75 0.64 0.66 2,473,800 0.66
21-May-03 0.79 0.81 0.69 0.76 914,300 0.76
20-May-03 0.81 0.85 0.71 0.77 2,681,300 0.77
19-May-03 0.93 0.95 0.82 0.84 2,631,300 0.84
16-May-03 1.12 1.12 0.91 0.97 3,520,500 0.97
15-May-03 0.89 1.07 0.81 1.04 6,289,300 1.04
14-May-03 0.62 0.79 0.61 0.76 2,011,600 0.76
13-May-03 0.67 0.69 0.60 0.60 2,029,900 0.60
12-May-03 0.67 0.72 0.65 0.68 3,985,100 0.68
I do not believe a bubble is forming. NTES and those other high-flying stocks are way over-valued (just look at their very high PSRs alone). I think HRCT sp will rise (a few months behind the curves of these stocks) since the impact of every reporting quarter will eventually add up and generate real confidence. Investors will look at all and decide where to put their money in. Currently HRCT's PSR is about 3.
Just click on TS's name and you can see all his previous posts, and LoL! He's an interesting and wild fellow from Florida.
Go HRCT!
Some Observations:
1. The New HRCT emerged in March 2003 after the completion of the HQ acquisition. In response to this new direction, the share price (sp) increased several fold during the 5/15/02-5/15/03 period.
2. The 2Q/03 numbers, even though very solid and superior to 1Q/03 or 2Q/02, could not affect favorably the sp due to the SEC matter.
3. Throughout the history of HRCT (listed on the OTCBB), this is the first time HRCT issued a PR to announce the date for the release of its 3Q/03 financial results (in the fashion of NTES, Sohu, Sina, and other mainstream companies). It seems clear that the timing of the release of the 3Q/03 results (after-hour as per Tin's previous posts) is designed to attract investors from China and other countries in the region.
Conclusions:
1. I like the new management team (as formed by Dr. Phan). I am more than willing to assert that the chance for HRCT sp to appreciate fivefold-to-tenfold from its current level is much better than the chance for the sp of say NTES (or Sohu or Sina) to double from their current levels, in a year or so.
2. Congratulations again to Tin, EZ, Andi, Garhart, and EC, and other participants for making Ihub the official HRCT chat room (as stated in HRCT’s latest PR)!
Go go go HRCT!!!
The best revenge is always to live well, very well!!!
Go HRCT!!!
Poor poor TS, trying to get out of jail
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/replies.asp?msg=1649280
Hopefully by the time the dude gets out, the sp will burst through the $1.00 level.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.fitness/10/27/fitness.stroke.ap/index.html
Exercise. Stay away from PCs!
WALSH: So far, you are correct for today.
No pain no gain.
Cheers!
HRCT 0.64 +0.02 0.62 0.65 66,300 12:36:09
No pain no gain!!!