Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Article with Venter Comments on Race: JULY 24, 2003
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
FDA Should Drop Race Distinctions in Drug-Testing Guidelines
By Amanda Gardner
HealthDay Reporter
(HealthDay is the new name for HealthScoutNews.)
THURSDAY, July 24 (HealthDayNews) -- Two leading genetic researchers haven taken aim at current U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines on collecting race and ethnicity drug data, arguing that they could lead to "misleading and biologically meaningless conclusions."
"Instead of applying social categories, we should be promoting obtaining scientific data," says J. Craig Venter, president of The Center for the Advancement of Genomics and co-author of an article arguing the point in the July 25 issue of Science. "Color of skin does not work as a surrogate."
The researchers note that several studies have shown there may be more differences in drug responses within racial and ethnic groups than among them.
Venter and co-author Susanne Haga, project director for the center, focus specifically on the FDA's "Draft Guidance for Industry Collection of Race and Ethnicity Data in Clinical Trials." The document standardizes information-gathering according to categories for race and ethnicity developed by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB).
"We acknowledge that these are not perfect categories, [but] the FDA is proposing that it makes sense for us to use the same categories that the NIH [National Institutes of Health], CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] and other HHS (Health and Human Services) agencies are going to be using," says Dr. John Jenkins, director of the Office of New Drugs at the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. "If companies collect information using different criteria, then it's hard to make a comparison between one drug and another because the information is so varied."
It also provides a way to gauge whether certain groups are under-represented in clinical trials, Jenkins adds.
Venter, however, is looking at a future in which all medicine is tailored to the individual and pharmacogenetics is king. Drugs will be selected based, not only on the person's disease, but also on their likelihood to respond to the drug and their chances of having side effects.
Researchers have the tools, he says, and they can get the money. "The fact that it might be hard work to get there is not an excuse. The pharmaceutical industry is spending billions of dollars doing basic research looking at genetic associations in the course of disease. The NIH has had a multi-billion-dollar budget increase to follow up on advances in medicine," Venter points out. "What's new is we have the tools. It's not as though the situation is hypothetical. We have the human genome. We have the tools now to do it."
Not so fast, the FDA responds.
"We agree that the future of medicine is probably headed toward more individualized therapy for patients, but [pharmacogenetics] is very much a science that's currently in its infancy," Jenkins cautions. "We're not ready yet to lay out criteria that tell sponsors [pharmaceutical companies] what information to collect from patients in clinical trials that will help us understand all the different pharmacogenomic reasons they might respond differently to. It's too early for that type of guidance to be put out."
"We are working on draft guidance on pharmacogenomics that hopefully will be out in the not-too-distant future that will help people understand how to report that to the FDA so we will understand how to utilize that information," Jenkins adds.
However, Stephen Thomas, director of the Center for Minority Health at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health, worries that Venter and his colleagues are heading down a "slippery slope of removing race as a variable in our health statistics surveillance system."
No matter how crude, the categories provide relevant information in a society where racism still exists, he says. "The idea that science is value-free and therefore immune to a social and historical legacy of American racism is incorrect. As long as that exists, I think we must count race as long as race counts," he says.
Black people have also had a negative experience with genetic research, he points out. "We're not quite confident yet that this information will not be used in discriminatory ways, whether based on race or on my gene profile or family history, especially when we do not have universal access to health care," Thomas says. "[Race] matters every day in the lives of people who face historic discrimination and that includes in the laboratory."
More information
Go to the FDA site to view the guidelines. The National Center on Minority Health and Health Disparities has more on minority health issues.
(SOURCES: J. Craig Venter, Ph.D., president, The Center for the Advancement of Genomics, Rockville, Md.; Susanne Haga, Ph.D., project director, The Center for the Advancement of Genomics, Rockville, Md.; Stephen Thomas, Ph.D., director, Center for Minority Health, University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health; John Jenkins, M.D., director, Office of New Drugs, Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Rockville, Md.; July 25, 2003, Science )
Copyright © 2003 ScoutNews, LLC. All rights reserved.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Stakddek
AP pickup of the story means of course it's national news. Now this is good, but a perp caught will be better. That may take a little more time, but meanwhile the news is out there. Nationwide, I think it's fair to say, and it has set the stage. How many law enforcement go through a newspaper, and read every story dealing with thier vocation? Now DNAP has been mentioned quite frequently in the past month. Somewhere the little gears in many heads are clicking. The more cases DNAP gets involved in, the chances of repeat national exposure go up. People will notice and eventually buy. We are coming up on tax time and a lot of IRA and Keough accounts will be being funded. All the markets will benefit, but now DNAp is on a lot more radars, and has been shown not to be a flash in the pan. Some of those dollars will inevitably coming our way. Think how happy those new investors will be when they find out DNAP isn't a one-trick-pony?
Good luck to all.
Stakddek
From Anova:
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Ananova:
£15m to take discoveries from lab to market place
A £15 million hand-out to help scientific discoveries move from the laboratory to the market place has been announced by the Government.
Among the developments expected to benefit are new kinds of medical equipment and software, the hi-tech conservation of historic artefacts and faster forensic DNA profiling.
The cash, to be shared by 16 successful bidders, is being made available under the Government's Public Sector Research Exploitation (PSRE) initiative.
Science and innovation minister Lord Sainsbury said: "Without backing and support in the early stages, commercial opportunities arising from scientific discoveries and new technologies can be lost.
"This funding is intended to capitalise on the cutting-edge research taking place in the public sector. It is vital for UK business and our quality of life that innovative ideas make it beyond the drawing-board and become successful products and services."
The PSRE initiative was set up to help public sector organisations other than universities make the most of their research.
Universities receive similar government funding through the Higher Education Innovation Fund (HEIF).
Story filed: 07:20 Monday 19th January 2004
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Write your congressperson?!? 16 bidders on 15 million pounds. That's about what US 1.4 million each? Maybe Jeb could whisper in his brothers ear? DNAP struggles to get funding, and the Brits just toss the gold out! Note that the money is not earmarked for academia but the private sector. Of course the story doesn't mention strings or strictures, so ... Yeah what was that agency? Oh yeah Research EXPLOITATION. Yeah. Feeling very exploited I am...
Stakddek
Mingwan0: The dept and breadth of your efforts never fail to amaze me. Thank you for the heads up. Hopefully it will be granted.
Stakddek
OT: Wouldn't it be great if we could subsidize the cancer and forensic work to cost and tack the profit margin onto the recreational applications? Okay my Robin Hood complex showing again. Hopefully somebody someday will be selling trillions of pills and DNAP will be earning a penny per for our outstanding and significant contributions to the products. I'm not greedy enough to deny those in need, but I am a capitalist pig and I would like to receive a quantitive return for my participation. I just wouldn't want anyone to suffer because of my greed. Don't you just love moral dillemna?
Stakddek
Mingwan0: New DNAP MATH! HUMMER + FROG = FLAT FROG
This is of course just something to dream about.
Stakddek
OT: For our culinary epicurians: Recipe:
Frog Leg Recipes
Southern Style
Wash legs and towel dry until the flesh is slightly moist.
Roll legs in a prepared dry mixture of cornmeal, flour and seasoning: salt and pepper. Use an equal amount of cornmeal and flour.
Fry the lightly coated legs in light oil that is sizzling. Keep the oil shallow enough that the legs aren't fully immersed in the hot oil. Remove the legs when golden brown. The meat should be white and moist.
Eat while hot.
Source: An old-time Florida country cook, of Vero Beach, FL., who didn't want to be identified.
Fellsmere Frog Leg Festival Style
Coat legs in a mixture of dry flour, cornmeal and spices. Drop legs into oil at 350° F. Cook 2 to 4 minutes depending on size. The legs tend to rise to the surface when done. Don't overcook. It makes the meat tough. On the other hand, undercooking can leave the flesh like raw fish.
Source: Fellsmere Frog Leg Festival.
My posting of this recipe is in no way an endorsement of these recipes. Do your own due dilligence. However Sam Adams will assist in either case. (I might require a case of Sam just to try them!)
Mike: DNAP "Capitalist Sales Tool"!?! A Marketing Ploy! Let's see, theres viagra and weekender and etc. I can see the adds now! Better yet I can hear the warning blurbs under the TV adds and in that small print at the bottom of the screen.
"A Genetic compatability assay may be required to determine if XXXXXX can be effective for you. Be safe, be well, be tested."
Mike you hit on an angle I hadn't considered. Of course it's a marketing tool, because it's a marketing advantage, that actually benefits the consumer, and the prescribing doctor.
I think it will fly! Let's run it up the flagpole and etc....
Stakddek
Mingwan0: We are forever thanking you for your unselfish efforts. So once more, a THANKS.
But a question. Could some of these grants be going to "tailriders"? As in a way they can review the DNAP work and then "using the research", repeat the methodology, or perhaps knowing the goal, approach getting the same result from a different angle?
I would secretly hope that all this "flurry" has to do with grants to allow academic endeavor while at the same time proofing out the DNAP science that has been patented. We are approaching that time when the projects are being reviewed by the FDA. Could we be seeing a sort of peer review here as the DNAP mathematics is being checked against a statistically significant sampling in a number of DNAP's target areas.
Perhaps a great deal of wishful thinking on my part, but I would surmise that DNAP would be interested in the results to "proof" our out mathematics and modeling.
Please also take a look at a company called ADZR.pk . They are involved in data gathering on an extreme level. Originally as a resource tool for I believe Internet advertising, but now the complex mathematical models they have created are being used for threat assesment in our current national defense programs. That certainly hints at a lot of very advanced data scouring and sorting capability. Wouldn't it be funny if a program used to catch terrorists could be utilized for medical research? By the way ADZR took a large jump this week and you would have to do a lot of dilligence to feel comfortable entering the stock at this price level when due dilligence would be searching for hints of government contracts and partnerships with existing large firms. Information that is not available because it is government contracts and so possibly incommunicado. Oh well, but the science here really looks promising. When you have giga-terra bits plus of data to look at, I get the feeling they have an "AI expert" that seems to do the job.
Stakddek
Wishes for a Happy and Prosperous New Year!
To all our friends and all our foes, the clock starts anew. The future is built not only on our past mistakes but also on our endeavor. The year that past has seen many changes and reminds us all that no ones future is set in stone for him to read. But though the future is an unknown we push forward bravely, pioneers cutting trail and each doing his best to get all the wagons through.
2004 is here and the table has a fresh deck, the chips are lined up, and even the free drinks are tasting better; many spectators are watching the game and ready to back the players with much more than just morale support. This is looking good to me ladies and gentlemen. I think the winds of ill fortune have blown thier worst, and we are still here despite them. We did a lot of bending, but it's DNAP's time to thrive in the sun.
Happy New Year!!!
Stakddek
Cheerleadingwithclass!
W2P AND TLV: Thanks to both of you. The comprehensive instructions W2P posted are a good example of the extraordinary effort expended by our friends in research and due diligence. (I am printing out the instructions and will try them on some other searches.) Thanks to you all for not only doing all this work, but for sharing it with the less nimbleminded! I oft times find myself relegated to cheerleading, because my ability to discriminate the wheat from the chaff is so limited. That is not to put all the other diligence posters in the same leaky canoe as me, but sometimes translating the science and ramifications of company related info in biometrics is just outside my ken. I can see the broad picture but the minutae that make it work and propel it forward are well beyond my ability to interpret. Thanks again for sharing all that work.
Stakddek
Worktoplay: Thanks for the update on Statinome / Retinome. I noted the link you provided gives an anwer dated and timed for the time of the visit to the link. I imagine this means that anytime you use those links the info is updated. Now of course I did note that the attorney of record is different. I'm probably not understanding this, but is this revival a request by DNAP to have this reissued, or a third party? If you are aware, because it is not a certainty in my mind.
How did you querry to get this resultamt link? Are there any other "buzzwords" that "we" >-we means you-< (pretty please???) should research?
Thanks,
Stakddek
Christmas is a time for spending with your family and friends, so I would be remiss in not stopping by here to wish all of my friends a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
There is a certain comraderie in this community that is not evidenced on any other board I've read. I thank you all for being a part of my world. Your wisdom as well as your faux paux are part of the charm that makes this so special. As a learning channel, the DNAP board is a 5 Star Feast! And when we good, it's not ridiculed but explained. The only forum I've been exposed to where my lack of an all encompassing knowledge is both accepted and forgiven. Thanks again to all the denizens for making this outstanding meeting hall, and special thanks to the moderators who expend the extra effort to keep it so.
STAKDDEK
Igor dug this one up! DOD would fund on this for troop protection from Malaria..
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_849329.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery
Thanks Mingwan0. I accept the significance of the sample. They are doing it in the "politically correct" manner. As far as the ethics go, I'm afraid I'd be more like Frankenstein than Shweitzer. Where it interfered with my research I might bend a few niceties to insure an adequate and statistically conclusive data set.
Merry Christmas!
PS: Igor says he has a hunch DNAP (Dr. Frudakis) will achieve much recognition next year for its (his)accomplishments. Igor would say more but he has to do some due digging!
Stakddek
HAPMAP sample base seems ?paltry? I am not astute enough to understand the science, but wouldn't a broader sample of populations, siblings etc. improve the results? Of course you would need a source of samples. To bad there isn't a way to get the sample providers to pay for the tests. Oh well.
Stakddek
Potential upsurge in USGA re foam product to "clean-up" facilities contaminated by Mad Cow. Nightline report on ABC mentioned cow had been rendered and distributed. It is not believed that a public health crisis is immenent, but all these facilities, the farm etc. MUST be cleaned before reuse.
It is noteworthy that our beef industry can no longer export until cleanup and other related activities are completed to the satisfaction of appropriate governing bodies. (Outside the US I believe). It was mentioned on the program that the US action for other countries with madcow was an immediate "blockade" A tit for tat mentality may exist against us now, so until the foriegn entities grant us an all clear, we won't be exporting any beef.
Madcow won't hit you for about 7 years after exposure, so the chances of finding human crossover is unlikely right now. It will be interesting to see how the govt. reacts. As a show of good faith to our world neighbors, I would imagine we will have to incinerate the plants and the herds in question as well as the vehicles (trucks-trains) the material was transported. Expect a world wide waiting period before our beef can be exported. How long did the Euro Union make GB wait? How long did Argentina get "cut off"? The experts believe the disease is transported to the victim via nervous tissue- Brains, so Tabby and Fido are more at risk than people. A factor favorable for the propagation of madcow was the reuse of livestock "renderings" to be turned back into "foodstock" for the same animals. Sort of like cannibalism, but rhe earlier madcow episodes taught the world a lesson and the practice has been curtailed in most areas. I do not know if the US plant affected rendered to feedstock in this fashion. !Expect a big stink about lack of USGA inspections, because of lack of manpower.)
I guess my mother was right when she said "Eat your veggies"!
Stakddek
A57TBIRD: Thank you for the Christmas Present!!!!
Your effort on behalf of the shareholders is appreciated. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to research this ADMIXMAP question. Better yet thank you for posing the question in such a concise and friendly manner that you elicited a response that contains more info than we've had in a dogs age! Thank you. May you never be caught in inclement weather with the top down!
Stakddek
OT: Gold Eagle: Prayers and good thoughts are already on thier way and more to come.
As I age I realize it's only our kids that make us feel older. When they first started to toddle we hastily moved our hands to cover any sharp corners in thier wobbly path, and we rearranged our surroundings in a move to childproof the house. Alas we can't childproof the world, and so these things happen. (I guess, to make our hair gray so others will respect us!) You and your family, especially the patient, are in the prayers of my family for the duration.
Stakddek
Dr jeffreys is a voice to be reckoned with. Let's hope his resistence to the benefit of DNAP's work is shortlived, and perhaps even there is some mutual benefit to be had with Diabetes research. At the bottom of the link page there is a box that takes you to "diabetes minisatellite"
Perhaps are more astute science voices can comment on this area, as there is much discuddion of variance in the "boilerplate" between focal points. We had discussed this to a degree before when we heard about the "noise" DNA chunks between cites of study, where it was felt a "fulcrum" or point of importance was present.
http://www.le.ac.uk/ge/ajj/
As far as the Professor, he is looking for scientific certainty beyond the ability of the forensic users to discriminate. (My opinion). I feel his statement in the article published and linked in your message was looking for a very high degree of resolution, while the forensic need requires a lesser resolution to allow for variation in peoples perception. Understanding how to use a Hi-Res DNA Wittness will come in time and with education of the users.
The diabetes study he is performing seems to be covering some of the same ground as in Ancestry. He has sampled globaly and his results as well as DNAP's will benefit this field of study.
Stakddek
Mingwan0; MJAM & W2P: Remember the Three Wise Men who followed the Star? Now is not the time to allow frustration with the unscrupulous few to deny us all those gifts your research and opinions brings. Please don't throw out us babes with the bathwater! In the insanity promoted "on occassion", your posts keep our eyes on the Star.
If it's not said often enough, thank you all for all your generosity in bringing to the dreamers the hard facts that bolster those intuitive feelings about the future portent of DNAP.
Stakddek
A Holiday Diversion: Be sure to shake snow globe. Happy Holidays.
http://ww12.e-tractions.com/snowglobe/globe.htm
Stakddek <Okay and of course a pop-up or two>
66Fan: I'm sorry but travel by Doctor Frudakis is to be curtailed. I understand that San Diego is a big Navy town and with all the hijinxs potential represented by that spectre, he will just have to stay in the DNAP lab. Fortunately, we have additional personnel who will carry the torch for DNAP, but without the particular mystique that Doctor Frudakis has... Oh I can't even go on like this. I do not know the participants at this conclave, for it will surely change with time, but the term "Full Court Press" comes to mind. This could be one of those opportunities where the whole DNAP management crew should be on hand, to insure that no golden opportunity is missed.
Given that, and pending the sucess of the expedition, perhaps some former or current Naval type could recommend a few good spots for well deserved R&R.
I cannot evaluate the conference, but perhaps some of our more astute and knowing minds can evaluate the players and possible opportunities. I just call the attention of those who decry the time spent on touchy-feely to the realities of the real world.
Stakddek
RE: Thanks to Bag8ger who posted the SEC filing link on RB, Now we have something to talk about!
Stakddek
Hey Bill: Not to mention the number of shares a holder has, but it does hurt quite a bit to have paid over a dime like many may have, without the opportunity to trade the share price fluctuations and to profit from them. (Keogh or IRA account). And there may be a few of us out here who bought in at .17 cents a share who are forced to sell for tax reasons, and are praying that no news for that thirty day period! It's hard to ascribe a true cost to an investors holdings, because you and I and the other Bill (Gates) may consider a total wipeout on one stock in our portfolio (at a cost of thousands) to be a non event. Others who are invested here may be in a different position and every penny invested may have been a sacrifice. I do not criticize your comment as such, and realize you referred to a manipulator with limited holdings, but we should never forget that some of the players here are investing hard earned and important funds into this dream. Rest assured there is some one out there who paid more than they should have and is now down 75% of his funds in an IRA. If they believe in DNAP, well they will be rewarded, but right now, looking at that balance sheet, well it really hurts. It's nice to have the luxury of playing in these stocks, but some of our fellow posters may have more than they should in this one stock, and the games played by manipulators are very grating.
I wish I was sophisticated enough time my buy and sell at the right moment but I usually end up acting in the wrong way at the worst possible time. So just accumulate and average down. For some investors, the fluctuations have been a gift, but for a lot of us, it's just an annoyance. Those with the IRA accounts can't contribute more money except as the law allows, and so even averaging down can be impossible. It's sort of difficult to open your mouth and say the exact right thing without risking offense to someone, but I guess since we can apologize and trust the understanding nature of out fellow posters to let us off with a "nevermind", we can keep calling them like we see them.
(My daughter opened her first IRA with a Max contribution allowed for her, and of course wanting to have a firm base in the account populated it with WCOM and GE as her broker suggested.) Live and learn.
Stakddek
ITSONLYMUNI: I think your being shortsighted in underestimating the value of personal contact at these "conferences" and expositions. There is a certain value to having the Key player make the presentation and take feedback from the peers in the audience. These conferences are not all "give". Others will have some comment or input that will benefit the science. Contacts are made, and when people ask questions, the "Man" is there to answer. This personal contact is necessary, and it does go both ways.
As far as losing Doctor Frudakis from lab chores for a few days, I'm sure there is much more value in what is being done in his head and on his laptop while traveling than just having him locked up in the lab prepping samples. Unless of course you expect him to make coffee, order pizza and sweep the floor too.
Now as to the vacation aspect, I never considered the travel and effort involved in business travel to be a vacation. Oh sure there are pleasant diversions created amidst the turmoil, but the business is why the trip. Not the pleasure.
But as you say, at this point as we are struggling towards respectable revenues (Lift that beaker, tote that tray), and suffering the horrors of having to accept dubious financing (does that mean counterfeit money or perhaps, worse yet, money acquired by nefarious activities?); Well anyway as we struggle forward and get those devoted customers and firmly emplace them, we can all look back and appreciate how those frequent flier miles made it all possible.
Just my humble disagreement with your humble opinion.
Stakddek
Accreditation? I would be happy with being accreditted for just DNAWittness! Let it be a good start, and when all the furniture gets moved around, (new lab) and a dedicated area is created for forensic product, the other accreditations will come. For now the only lab we know of that does DNAWittness is DNAP. Since Doctor Frudakis is the "author", and the DNAWittness has been validated in use, the other accreditation will come and those other "jobs that can be performed" will be icing on the cake.
Wirh the infusion of funds I hope the Management Team will be understanding when the Doctor presents his "must have" and "wish lists" for equipment. Gee! I hope they have some background in research and medicine! (Swab in Cheek)!
Stakddek
THINKINGITSVERYQUIETAROUNDHERE!
Genelink News. Important I think:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
GeneLink Signs Settlement Agreement with LAB 21
Wednesday December 3, 7:01 am ET
MARGATE, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 3, 2003--GeneLink, Inc. (OTCBB:GNLK - News). GeneLink settled the lawsuit it filed against LAB21 in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey whereby the Court issued a Preliminary Injunction enjoining LAB21 from using any confidential information it learned from GeneLink during a collaborative effort to test market a DNA face cream based on GeneLink's Proprietary SNP profiling methodology.
LAB21 has consented to the entry of a Consent Order that dismisses the action but provides that the current injunction is binding and enforceable against LAB21 for five (5) years, until March 24, 2008. The case was settled for an undisclosed amount.
GeneLink's CEO, John R. DePhillipo, says "We are very pleased that GeneLink prevailed in this very important case. This settlement protects GeneLink's Proprietary SNP genetic profiling methodology".
GeneLink, Inc., since 1994, developed the World's First Family Centered DNA Bank and Hereditary Genetic Information Service. With recent breakthroughs, GeneLink is a pioneer and leading provider of DNA tests created to facilitate "genetically guided" health, beauty and wellness products. The company both markets and licenses its proprietary tests to the $1.4 trillion cosmetics, nutritional supplement and healthcare industries. For more information about GeneLink, visit its Web site at www.genelink.info. For more information on GeneLink's Dermagenetics(TM) Assessments, see the article "Designer Cosmetics" in the Business Journal, March 25, 2002 (80(12) p.16-21 or at http://www.bankdna.info/news_articles/designer.html
Forward-Looking Statements: This news release contains certain "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, which provides a new "safe harbor" for these types of statements.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Contact:
GeneLink, Inc.
Maria DePhillipo, 609-823-6991
genelink@aol.com
www.genelink.info
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: GeneLink, Inc.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Stakddek
Well I was up late anyway so:
The funding by a real investment company is a plus. There is a contract for a 20 month period and a withdrawal would be costly for both parties. Previous misteaks were made by DNAP (TBF funding) and by LJC (?) (as possibly indicated by a company ARCH mentioned.) We all make mistakes but I think we all live and learn. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. A comparison of the funding agreement when filed will be useful. We can then see how sharp our tools are. Conversely it may show how much faith LJC has in the DNAP business model. This is a big step, to gain this kind of commitment, but it is a first step.
DNAP is moving into position to grow with the economy. We do have a recovery underway, and both biotechnology and nanotechnology are sure to be leading the way. In the scheme of things our national value has decreased with the dollar and the trade deficit stinks, we're spending money on domestic defense against an enemy that may be to busy in other areas to attack us here, effectively. The tax cuts and interest rate cuts will come back to haunt us in the future, but for now going into an election year, well the economy looks rosier and rosier. DNAP is getting press with this financing and we are going into a week with tons of announcements by big Pharma.
Athena-Capital is still mentioned isn't it? They are the Florida people working with DNAP on funding.
20 months in the scheme of things is not a lifetime, and DNAP has been in existence what some 3 plus years? Now I think that adds up to a five year business plan. If we look back at the preceding 20 months, much has happenned. I can wait a little longer. I would just be more comfortable closer to a dime than a penny! When we cross that threshold again I'm only looking up.
I thank all the posters here for the good dilligence, and even thank the crew on RB who remind us everyday how good it is to be us.
Stakddek
Novel distribution solution. DNA "BOOK"
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_843835.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery.genetics
And of course funding being secured for the next years, makes growth a hard probability rather than a possibility. You can't bake a cake without ingredients and DNAP is looking tastier everyday! Soon longs will have their just deserts. (On the Moon of course!) Looking forward to the feast.
Stakddek
HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Thanksgiving 2003
I’m a babyboomer from the forties and the product of the families of that era. One side was three sons and the other side two sons and three daughters. I was the first grandchild, but was soon followed by many others. I remained an “only child” but the many cousins I had were an extended family for me. Get-togethers were a constant and there was always someone to play with or another “cousin” to visit. The Big Show though was the Thanksgiving and Christmas Holidays. With the size of the families and everyone living in apartments, I always had two of Thanksgiving and two of Christmas every year. On the same day! Now those of you who are of the post Vietnam generations may not be aware of the significance that was given to the family aspect of these festivities. If a family group didn’t gather all it’s members under one roof for these holidays, it meant there was a real war on. Attendance was obligatory! And if you were married, and the distance was less than 200 miles, you went to both parents houses! No excuses.
Well as I grew older I garnered many “ special privileges”. I could run to the corner store for the “forgotten ingredient” or that roll of film or another six-pack of beer. I could play dolls with my female cousins to entertain them and simultaneously play cards with the boy cousins, (or wrestle around in our “Sunday Best”). I’d be relieved from babysitting to “get more chairs” or mash the potatoes. I grew through it all and after what seemed an eternity, I graduated to the big folks table. I still had many tasks to accomplish, but I sat at the big table with the adults. Not the kids table. I was a young man in the eyes of the family.
Well many years have gone by and many changes have come. The head of the table has changed many times and now I sit in the chair of honor. As I look down our very shortened seatings, I see many empty chairs in my minds eye. Uncles and Aunts, Grandmas and Grandpas, even cousins who have not been gifted with long life. I see those friends who chose to bother with me, as I with them. I see cousins and their families, geographically separated, but here in spirit as they have a place in my heart. (They’re still quite small though, I keep them young so I’ll not grow old!)
Maybe it’s the smell of turkey in the oven that makes me wax nostalgic for those days of innocence before the real world descended on me, but it’s feeling very lonely here at the head of the table. I miss so many I loved who will never grace that holiday table again. But then that has not changed. I know my gramps sat in this place and looked down a long groaning board, and saw those place settings, though only in his mind, the napkins folded and unused, chairs empty, and never to be filled the same way again.
There are new tenants for the table, and they are a demanding and uncouth lot. You have to watch them with an eagle-eye or the house will be torn asunder! My wife is cooking the turkey, and I have to drive to the 7-11 to get some batteries for the digital camera. I have to take two of the kids with me because everyone else is to busy to watch them. Oh, and I have to stop at my friends house to pick up some folding chairs. My cousins coming over later. He has three kids!
Thanksgiving and Christmas. Yeah the Big Ones. I’m older and the seatings have changed, but there is much to be thankful for. Someone had a custom of spilling a drop of beverage for the souls of the departed. Well, with rugs and such I’d be in big trouble. So I’ll just say I’m thankful to all those who have gone before. They put me in this seat at the head of the table, and for that I am grateful. I’d rather it was by vote than by default, but that is life, and they knew it. That’s why they all made at least a little contribution to who I am today. As I sit here I am really thankful to them. When it’s no longer my seat, I‘ll be grateful to if someone remembers me with love and affection for all the good things I’ve done.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Stakddek
Maybe the interesting Oprah show would be with ARCH and DRAGON being on as guests when OPRAH does the DNAP segment! (IF). There is a story in this stock just on the personalities investing in it!
Stakddek
Okay. I looked. Genomed does use a fingerprint logo. It's just a peculiar choice,(I think) but to each his own, and I'm sure that the choice is of no significance, and it just appealed to Dr. Moskowitz more than the umptysquat million other images he might have chosen. Maybe it's his fingerprint?.
Stakddek
In linking to the Phenomed website, I noted in the parterships alliances section that the only association listed is GMED. Well that's swell, but can any one tell me if the logo used is a GMED logo? I don't recall GMED using a fingerprint. ?????
http://www.phenomed.net/partnerships.htm
(If I'm right about this being strange, better look quick. It might be an optical delusion.
Stakddek
Roger:
Thank you for the years you've spent maintaining the due diligence site. The effort is not unapreciated. I regret I do not have the wherewithall to accept the torch. Please note my personal thanks for all the effort you expended in making an outstanding source of information open to all interested parties. I hope your remaining shares of DNAP will soon provide at least some reward for all your splendid efforts.
Thank you.
Stakddek
Trusted by many: I fear I am one of the few. I do believe however that you should stand on the sidelines. Until the lawsuits are settled. As a matter of fact, I would consider your silent support from those sidelines much more credible than your whining style of posting. I could understand your concern over lawsuits against DNAP, but you make it seem like lawsuits and legal action aginst people who have wronged us is a negative to be countered by standing aside until a gold plated guarantee can be placed in your hands. Yes, in your case, you should stand on the sidelines. We all must do what makes us comfortable, and judging from the number of negative issues you can prognosticate in each post, you are not comfortable. Please make yourself comfortable. Be our silent support.
Stakddek
Bandersnatch: If the information that might have been compromised, included material from ongoing criminal investigations, being performed by DNAP for any police organization, then the ball may be being played in another court. Matters may be out of DNAP's hands as far as how this matter is pursued. Would be interesting to see if eyecolor0 had any contact with the resident basher community on RB. That might constitute insider trading. Kon may very well crossed a line that takes him and any cohorts outside the confines of business law. Granted the theft of intellectual property is criminal, but not usually "punished" by hard time. But if he appropriated confidential third party materials from FBI- CIA- Homeland Security, or other agencies and people DNAP has associations with, well I'm sure he has less to worry about from DNAP than other people he may have "compromised". Heck, even a stored password to a secure site, or a list of names as contacts could be harmful to our National Security.
Do I think that is the actual situation here? I don't know. But that Computer is not down at Fred's Fix'em Emporium for a quick paint job.
Stakddek
Check page 42 of 45 on this .pdf link.
http://www.hhmt.org/abstracts.pdf
Cancer related research DNAP
Sorry if it's old.
Stakddek
Anyone comment on the early portion of complaint against eyecolor0 that he deleted information from the DNAP computers while he kept that info for himself?
Stakddek