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F&G,
After a few days of closer to normal posting, the hawking of such a weak bashing post as Sinbad's, off of RB at that, is like falling off the wagon for you. I hope when you read such a post you would take strong exception to the content, style, and intent - bush league as always. How about spending equal time glorifing the positive issues each day to keep a balance at least. Like Sinbad could have a knowledgeable comment on the professional capability of TA?!! Pleeeeaaase....
Let's all get over the personnal past of the players, judge the current product and players related to Seaview activity, and we'll cut the posts and you'll encourage the support of all of us who do want to know more about the PP and hope there is room to mitigate the over all package we have heard only a tad about - hopefully if there are better alternatives available. I too support efforts to gain PP info first and SOON and then make value judgements.
zagdad
Moron et al,
I've had the same basic stand - without details it is tough to judge and react, particularily when one wants to give as much benefit of the doubt as possible. Has anyone of the supportive longs received either a promise of firm details SOON or a (I hope not) denial of any and all details?
TIA, zagdad
F&G,
AS I have taken you to task on many posts over the past days, let me say that these past few were very good in presenting your thoughts and calculations without all the junk. As I have said all along I also want to see the detail of the PP and understand the internal maneuvering better so that we shareholders don't pay an extreme penalty for our risk based investment. Maximizing our procurement of necessary funds to kick off volume production/salesm and being alble to product a quality product NOW have risen to the top of the list of concerns in my mind and we need to look to current SEVU management for answers and solutions. I hope they come forward in a business fashion as these are major issues. If they are to adjust the plans if possible after further thought, that would be appreciated by most longs and I feel that it might just be part of a learning process, not a foiled attempt to cheat the shareholders. Let's hope there is latitude and willingness to consider options at this point.
If the original PP boat has sailed legally, an alternate plan might be developed for an option/warrant for all shareholders currently holding unrestricted shares or some version of this idea - just being creative to save our investment bacon a bit.
Good weekend to all,
zagdad
gotinearly,
GMA glimpse of the Seaview product shows the impression it made on the visitor to the recent Chicago show. Thousands of items to pick for the show and we made the short list. Even kept it in the program for airing in the West!!
Also thanks for clearing up yet one more unsubstanitiated rumor, concerning West Marine, that the FG Clan was turning into to a negative fact. I do hope production is up to the POtential we all recognize!!
zagdad
gotinearly,
Thanks, that will be a big help to my schedule!
zagdad
FG,
I'm all for understanding the details of the PP and don't like the dilution - just don't know whether it is defendable or not without detail. It is the rest of the threads of accusation and banter that is beyond acceptance. Also only try to offer some real examples to illustrate the points I have tried to make - it beats reading unsupported or non-relevant enuendos, summitted as facts, about the founders, management, and products. But I can see that will continue so I will tune out more often. Also does not surprise me that I suddenly now "know these guys well" - you know better but its a good way to duck the issues raised.
Looking forward to the West Coast version of GMA coming up. Thanks gotinearly for the preview!!
zagdad
F&G, maybe that fits industries you've played in but it is very low when used for good people taking reasonable to high risk positions. George appears to come from an industry position that will be useful to expand on and build success for Seaview. I still hold that he is under paid and under leveraged at this time.
Cisco was not a big hitter when John M came to it - he helped creat it and now the profits he made are welcome. If George and Rich are not millionaires many times over from this adventure then we will have not had the success (both business and stock prices) that most of us are looking for.
zagdad
F&G, another post contray to any one who really supports SEVU and wants success for its investors. All attempts at counseling you by many many investors on this board are being constantly ignored so it seems a waste of time to share thoughts with you when you assign such a minor value to your time to write such trash while at the same time practicing everything you use to preach against. I will try to curtail any further responses as efforts appear useless. I wish you would sell and go somewhere else. Or maybe a covering of your shorts would be more appropriate comment.
Never did get any comments from my recent inquiry on some of the other beauties you hyped and then dropped out of - FRTI might be a great example -down OVER 99% from where you recommended it.
Goodnight, sorry to the other longs if I'm too wordy but I've made my point and will go back to lurking as much as possible.
zagdad
F&G, I'm sorry to post as often as I do but I can't stand to see someone of your reputation not understand, at least in a post to the world, that it is extremely important to have the key personal with a big incentive in equioty potential. Most of that stock I will bet has restriction on it if given under most plans. Have you never studied what goes on with new companies, private companies, etc. When I met with George and asked about his involvement I urged him and the company to make darn sure he had an incentive to be successful. We could come up with a thousand stores of golden parachute, golden handcuffs, hire on incentives, signing fees, etc.
To give you an example in case you have not experience this part of business, let me give an example I know of personnaly and could point you to company docs to verify. A middle manager moved to a position of VP of Sales in Silicon Valley. He got - sit down for a minute - a signing bonus of $750,000, half immediately, half in 6 months- just another sales management position; salary of over $200K, with double that in commissions at 100% of goals; stock option for @250K shares a single digit costs - in less than year he was worth on paper $40M. Company selling software with sales under $100M. Obviously the $40M got crussshed in this market but he doesn't even run the business and I know no one protesting in front of the building, then or now. Boring but one of many stories. The COB of Cisco (and CEO before Chambers), John Morgridge worked for stock and light salaries for years and 2 years ago was worth over $4 Billion on paper. Nice man that I worked with at Honeywell and no one would criticize his haul. Lee Iococoa - another case...and a thousand others.
So George has ONLY 200,000 of shares in his pocket and is taking a minimal salary ??.... if he's good and can pull this off, he's way under paid!!
So Rich and George - do a great job for us stock holders and let's ALL profit big time!!
I know, too rambling but what the heck, want to support my point.
zagdad
F&G, can you comment in detail on the performance of the Seaview camera that has been consigned to you for evaluation. Seems a lot more import of opinion than much of what is getting blasted for days now. Would also suggest that if it is to be kept it ought to be paid for - as a stock holder I'm concern about send them out free, except to Diver Dan for his important activity, when we can't fill all the orders coming in a Heartland!!
Your opinion certainly seems a heck of a lot more relevant than what someone does with their private lives in years past. Your comments please - very nice of the company to risk this eval from you in retrospect.
Please do it before tookin starts beating on the company because they haven't received a free one in the mail yet!! Is tookin a personnal friend or relative of yours? LOL
TIA, zagdad
cabos & F&G,
cabos, bye,bye - hope that means you'll quit posting also - I believe we already have the IH quota of non-shareholder posters.
And then I find reading the last set of posts, that F&G's serious partners in all this fancy footwork own over 200K shares, are flocking to him for his upcoming suits, and by the way, don't post on IH. Hmm, do they not read IH either? Where are they from and how did they find F&G? Oh yeah, why did they buy in the first place and where at price wise? Why does he waste his time, 7X24, posting here when he doesn't need us or see much value to alternate ideas and is promoting continually any unsubstaniated hair-brain idea as a near fact, if not one, in print. Francois I'd suggest that it might be more productive and proper to take a new idea off to the side if you chose and substaniate it with solid backup before you jump on it in print. Just considering the source in most cases whould be a clue! Jeez, I'm still waiting for substaniation of Rich's womanizing - hopefully with details and pictures, even before we get the last set of lies you are suggesting in the past few posts...
If Matt is looking in, you might begin to notice that F&Gs main few supporters are now some "never heard of before the past few days" who I doubt own a share - until they drive it to .20 and then maybe some day trading. Hope your not trying to build the user base here at IH supporting this type of Board play.
Another fun day reading posts from our chairman...
zagdad
F&G,
Sorry my note was likely unclear to you re: a 180 turn. I was refering to you present "style" and to bring to your attention my personal opinion that you are often posting in the fashion you normally preach against. I think the count of folks on this board who have chided you on your attitude, personal attacks, inuendo, etc. is pretty. I respect your right to have a opinion and support it. Most of us agree or at least read with openness some aspects of what you are saying but if you want readers and fruitful discussion it must get toned down and put back to your own set of rules or many will find better ways to spend this time. Now I'm not sure all of us understand your personal game plan but that's not our business and an area of uncertainty mystery between the most of us who don't know each other.
zagdad
TA...and F&G,
Thanks for the link,; let folks know if there is any resurrection.
I'm not sure F&G can move back though as he has this statement already there... LOL
"Thread's Rules:
This is a moderated thread where Personal Attacks, Spam, Senseless Bashing, Unsupported Allegations, Libelous Statements, Violation of Privacy, etc... will lead to the immediate banning of the poster concerned...
JMHO, F. Goelo + + +"
Nah, don't weorry Francois, you can do it!! Just one more 180 and you'll be welcome home...
zagdad
F&G, it doesn't occur to your sales and marketing sense and experience that entre to these large US sales outlets via intial on-line catelogues might /likely will lead to inside store sales in a bazillion locations. Such a victory at just one of these organizations will cause enough sales from an initial stocking round to light the fire. I can't believe the shallow thinking than seems to persists here.
By your own admission over and over, SEVU has a dymamite product in hand. Iyt also has successfully sold into the market place various offerings so my experience says it will be tough to derail this train - although at times I certainly see a small collection of individuals posting on this board who appear to be motivated to at least slow down this express - maybe so they can get on a bargain prices.
So SEVU get positioned to quality mass produce a solid product - like the world isn't ready for this home/business product for under $400 retail.... If we can make Santa's catelog - now that catelog might stand on its own!!
zagdad
Hmmm - "let's try to keep Misleading statements to a minimum..." ........
Now there's thought for all. Lead by example for best results.
zagdad
cabos, Hmmm seems like I need to read ahead as at least two folks have already brought the calendar to your attention.
Whoops, zagdad
cabos, this fits with most of your posts. Today is still Thursday ... so you take your screwup and use it to toast McBride, etc. - guess that makes it fact by evening and another 100 posts!! Sorry nothing planned according to all info suggested before today. Now let me check the world globe to see where you are that it is Friday now ....hmmm
zagdad
F&G, glad our goals are the same. With that goal in mind we (longs) should all think with balance and towards overall success. When you think about exposure to the outside world I doubt if the major players in this stock, except Rich, are wading through all the rock throwing etc. and it is not likely that many new comers are flocking to IH for their DD - if they have, it is likely they have run for the exit by now - so maybe this is only frustrating for the faithful - both pro and con for success!!
Time will tell...
zagdad
F&G,
First let me say that your resonse to me last night was at least calm, somewhat respectful after I had maybe cleared your mind as to who I might be, and somewhat acceptable in tone. The post that I have used to respond this AM is the type that further weakens your position, is a waste of everyone's time and I'm sure you would have protested if directed at you in the past. Maybe some of your on target thoughts would get better aceptance if you stayed out of the typical bashers/hypocritic gutter we all endure on every site.
Just a try at a helpful idea. Try to stay away from addressing most of the brain dead on this and other sites but having followed you with general respect over the past two years I keep thinking you will connect the dots soon and try to turn this into a cause to better the trip - NOT JUST SINK THE SHIP.
zagdad
F&G, hmmm, am I a member of the family, a Cronie, or an employee? Sorry never met Rich - sorry about that but timing on a visit I did make a visit once to meet George, see the products, and personnally gauge the attitudes, direction, chances of success, etc. did not allow for a meeting. I'm older so I've eliminated Rich as my father. The offices that I'm aware of are thousands of miles away so no job...Truth is, I'm here because you introduced me to them ...Hmmmm, hope you did well on the run to the 20's! And I've stayed 'cause I'm counting on SEVU to make retirement a joy.
I will say that my visit, view of the products, meeting with George ... all very positive and I feel success awaits. I will look forward to all the details on the PP as it is one of the few things that I would like to see some change to but depending on who, what, when, etc. there are some very obvious answers that would not make this situation nearly as sinister as you continually paint it. I hope there are options in the deal that allow for necessary funds to be raised at the best benefit to the company and us, its shareholders. I hope current management is getting that message and when we get the detail it will be understandable and tolerable as worst.
You have lost all fairness and objectivity, ignore very obvious answers and alternatives on many of the issues, and have turned this to a personnal vendetta - one of the very reason that you hearded many of us over to this IH Boarded back a ways was to escape such activity.
Only I have now come to realize that I guess you don't have as open/above board business objectives as you front and profess to share with your disciples but that you do have personnal plans that you would like us to join you on without question whenever and whatever - sorry some of us actually try to see all sides.
Wonder if anyone has a counter on your messages to see if you are challenging any other recent Board records for posts in a short period.
Sorry for the long posts - too much thinking.
I'll be happy if we sell a bunch of those cameras - and soon!!
If that doesn't happen then I'll be a surprised, unhappy camper.
zagdad
F&G, based on previous business advice I would think you would be selling before you successfully drive this puppy to the grave yard. Jeez, then maybe you could also move on down the road, give us a break, and take the stress out of your Island life - need good health to enjoy the millions in previous successes you've bragged up over the years.
Still waiting to get advice on the other stocks you prompted many of us to get into the past 2 years. In previous encounters you kept to the high road and many of us defended you against individuals taking about the same approach that you've now settled for.
Where are your positive comments on stories such as DiverDan's which would encourage folks as the the base quality in the key products which we hope will take the company to its success?
And when will you drop the 50% of your messages that only slam other board memebers ( like - 'should have named him "Callmemoron" ' or issues which have nothing to do with SEVU's business. How little you must realize about the private lives of a zillion other executives of the leading companies in the world!
LOL, zagdad
SH, well said.
zagdad
DD, thanks for the update - nice to actually see business info once in awhile.
zagdad
CaseyOne (or should I say Ken or ...),
Another brillant conclusion on your part - please where and when did you learn that capital is considered business revenue? This board has lost nearly all its value over the past days with the amazing amount of mis-truths, guesses presented as fact, poor business logic, etc.
F&G - I 'd have to say that your overall post quality/content/attitude have destroyed all the respect that many of your interested readers/trackers from the past couple of years have built up. You used to appear business oriented and now you've joined bash mania. You must have a personnal mission. Failure of SEVU, if it somehow occurs, will have been partially, at least, at your hands. Maybe it fits your current investment stance. It is so pronounced and out of bounds, IMO, that most serious longs will see that this for its real purpose. IMO the logic presented by the gotine.., dk, TA, and a few others is well worth serious consideration. I'm not a fan of the PP and hope that there will be changes but beyond that issue, it is amazing the junk and lenghts that everyone is going to to "run" the company from IH under a alias. Time will tell - hopefully the actual facts will paint the final scene.
Meanwhile, I'll let many of you get back to all the bashing in bold type....
zagdad
F&G,
You must not have taken the walk on the beach I suggested late last night. Your posts are as bad or worse in some ways as the great bad of useless bashers and aimless posters that used to be your target and are now your brethren. Maybe you can just put all the points you want to make in a single post and then just reference it in the future so many of us don't have to read the same bold statements a billion times.
I would also suggest that you speak for yourself and not suggest that you represent the majority of the shareholders - at least until you complete a certified audit of all the longs. The only thing there sems to be a general feeling on is that we would all wish to have a chance to buy a stock that is trading for @.50 or greater for .10. Now that gets a bit more complex when there is an un-understood as yet restriction in play, what the timing and needs were/are, competitive options, etc. - are understood. Your on point with many ideas but have blinders on to all the possibilities and business issues that are found in startups in a sagging economy. If it is personnal 100% then go out back and settle it but quit screaming in the house. By the by, I don't talk with Rich but if I were I bet I could identify that Chinese related company that you hyped and watched go out of control immediately causing EVERYONE pain and loss. But hey most likely took that as our issue as the final decision is with us - unfortunately in many cases.
At the rate you are going you will drive most level and open minded holders to abandon the IH site and then you and the previously ID'd gang of misfits can talk to each other all day long until your fingers are bleeding.
I still suggest that long walk.......
zagdad
F&G,
Come on - posts after posts of yours over the past 36 hours have sunk to the lows of the endless, mindless bashers we have had to endure here with no "Ignore" option (Help - Matt - work on that option for us). Get a grip, take a long walk on the beach, go fishing for a day ... do something to calm down and give some thought to some of the base business reasons, timing, end results made [probable/possible, etc. to the action taken by the company leaders of SEVU. If you don't like their action, sell and work on new ideas. But before you take that step, think about the personnal benefits derived to date by SEVU management - little or no salaries todate by folks qualified to do well else where, creation of a killer product, no sizeable debt about to break our backs, relatively less OS shares than many of the other companies you personally support and many of us are drowning in, etc.
Couple their efforts with two of my favorite players on any team, POOOTENTIAL and MOMENTUUUUM, and I think serious investors should absorb some of the logic and consider possible value statements that have been made by a number of the positive longs tonight - TA, Deadman Walking, DK, Diver, myself, RM himself, and many others. Francois, after that long walk on the beach and some thought, if you still can't see any hope and need to be relentlessly accusatory in style then maybe you can find a better investment.
I sincerely hope we come to find out that an imposter has infiltrated your alias much like a hermit crab (jeez SH and Diver - hope I got the right crab??!!) and this was all a mistaken new image of you. I hold other stocks which I followed you into (at my own risk of course) which make this look like a gem so let's get back on track and make this the FOUR BAGGER!!
Finally, on the surface I'm still not rael happy with the 17M at that great price but I see how it could happen and personnally didn't have the $1.7 M to do the deal personnally anyway (no, I didn't get a call asking..). But some of the potential alternatives I'm familiar with are less acceptable so I'll await for SEVU's additional info which will shed light on the whos, whats, wheres, whys, and whens before I go nuts!
Posted more today than all year so I'll go back to lurking as much as possible. If you bashers can drive the price down some more I'll try the Piggy Bank again, remind George that I'm counting on them for my retirement, and go to church.
Good fortune to us all,
zagman
Bigbizz,
I don't doubt that the timely drop in the stock to the low .20s helped foster the PP. If we find that it is the money needed to kick this into high gear and capitalize on all the sales/marketing leads being discussed and that the remaining dollars will get to the SEVU pot sooner than later then we have the cash to move forward, maintain control via the current team, and affect positively our holdings. If we can't get this off the ground and soaring in less than two years, likely the minimum a restriction would last, then we will be long gone before then and the PP holders will be trying to get even themselves.
As someone else suggested, it is likely that some earnst money's are in and if they don't keep on schedule their opportunity will expire. Don't expect that the deal can be taken off the table if both sides keep to the agreement. Pricing will likely not be on a sliding scale - one of the bets each side makes. As I've said before I'm not crazy about the deal due to size and value (unless I had a piece of it!!) but with everything else going on these days it may have still been the best financing opportunity that gets us past the negative cash flow and on to the forever green pastures.
zagdad
Rich, thanks for the update and I'm sure that most of the reasonable longs will see the logic and merit of your explanations and comments. It is reason to always take a deep breath and garner a second spin on an issue, particuarily from someone so intimately involved as you are. For anyone to discourage such candor it would be a detriment to those of us in this for long term success, not just a bashing ritual or personnal vendetta. Please keep it up - if it ever gets of declining value please offer an email exchange program/session - many alternatives to that approach are possible.
I also understand that there are multiple ways to be rewarded for contribution and I for one never wish to have the critical folks involved in a company not attached to its success. Little or no salary/bonus $$ only spells a bet on equity rewards. It is my understanding that some key folks working their arses off at SEVU currently get little to nothing in salaries - for those affected I hope you have reward plans in place - if the PP is part of such a play then it does place reward and risk where it is useful. The risk to the shareholders is that we hope the right crew is in place to deliver and they have the essential at hand to execute - often that is operating capital!! I'm not personally crazy about the depth of the PP but would like to better understand that thinking and timing from SEVU management.
I hope you can work to continue to solidify the trust in you, SEVU management, and it's products. It certainly is soft these days, whether deserved or not, but is reinforceable over time and action and that is very important to many aspects of our eventual success that mutual trust and support be rebuilt and fostered. Have to toss out the bashers who's mission in life is to destroy and the entreprunears who seek to cheat - that leaves most of us, including you in my opinion, to push this puppy to the top of the hill so we can really enjoy that long ride down the back side.
Hopefully current management will address some of the concerns that are outside your current responsibility.
Again thanks, keep the Board visits up...
zagdad
Nobusiness and TA,
When one calms down a bit as a number of us have suggested I think things will sort out closer to the ideas TA touched on and the numbers "nobusiness" has taken a shot at with respect to financing. Like it or not the subsequent events of over enthusiasm, the SEC poking around, and the current class action activity coupled with the need to get an apparent great new product launched and production set up to meet potential requirements have caused a great deal of economic teeth nashing at SEVU. Think of the alternatives to keep heads above water - doubt if a lot of Prime Plus 2 Points type lending is available to our company to ensure that the doors stay open to see the production begin and break-even revenue appear, followed by the profits we envision. If you've worked with VCs - you know how expensive AND controlling they can be - if not ask folks who know - so another dead end. Personnally I would like to have had a chance at .10 shares, although the market was down to about .20+ not long ago and I personnally couldn't take but a little piece .. so maybe a tough option ... maybe not even be legal with out months of work and lawyers fees. Would like the answer with supporting facts here...??
So if money was needed and will be obtained immediately or on a time frame that meets the years needs maybe it works as good as could be expected. I'm sure these will be restricted shares for at least a couple of years, maybe 3 like was suggest. We've all marveled in the past at SEVU being debt free, with low share counts, and an unbeatable product - let's assume there was a need for $$, let's look to management to clarify if possible questions, and most important let's view this from a business perspective rather than the name calling, bashing, etc. that has been going on in reaction to the 10Q. THis has become way to personnal for many - for first time visitors, it would be a challenge to understand what's going on.
It also may be necessary to be fair and separate the activity that had begun before George and the new staff took over completely from that that was in motion before that time. One such activity will likely be the loan/repayment activity. But I'd say that the PP is the responsibility of the current staff and may have been suitable and necessary to insure the companies future success. If all the holders of this restrictive stock have an oar in the water at or for SEVU then in the long run we will have to be successful for them to prosper - and that might benefit all longs over the next 24 months and beyond.
But if there are any shares still on the shelf for .10 please call me as I'm willing to shake the piggy bank again!!
Finally I still want to see the interesting posts by Rich McBride as there is always some truth to be learned and some spins to considered.
My thoughts,
zagdad
FG,
Understand your point but I hope the new team running the company have the gonades to do what's right and not just play the role of a puppet in these areas of concern which the 10Q has brought to the forefront. I believe we need their response and consideration (and immediate reconsideration of this dilution approach at shareholders expense) to keep this ship a float and on target. I have no problem with key employees and the captains of the ship having lots of incentive to be successful if they are capable but 17M shares is beyond belief and reason. The low authorization, issue, and float of shares has always been one of the reasons that many long's have hung in there during the rough yo-yo of prices, product, and PR - I don't want to see that disappear - bet too much on it todate!!
zagdad
FG,
It seems like going ballistic in a matter of minutes/hours without some questions of, and hopefully answers from, management is not too prudent from the leader of the pack is it? We'll need to keep you away from the missle launching button!! I'm sure the two full cycles that your involvement with SEVU has followed is disturbing!! As it is for all of us..
BUT it is obvious that the issue of major concern besides the thinking behind the various fuzzy (or worse) issues it is to creat a major dilution of our positions - like halving it for little to nothing. Hard to see why it would be needed by a company in our position and with the apparently proven product being build to orders. Lots of better financing alternatives should be available. Private companies fight long and hard to keep dilution to a minimum when working even with their favorite Investors. I suggest that that plan we've found in the 10Q gets scuttled and each current stock holder is extended a chance to get a share for a share held at a dime (more cleaver options could be created to but one gets the point I'm sure). The longs' supports of this company deserve the opportunity to benefit with its likely success.
Has anyone been able to contact Goerge relative to this dilution since the release of the 10Q?
Back to lurking, hoping for answers, and evaluation,
zagdad
Matt, help - please provide an "ignore" capability so most of us interested board members can nicely jump over the inane drivel of posters such as our ever present, apparently lifeless printmail01. If I've missed its availability todate please educate me ASAP. It is a wonderful feature, enjoyed at one of your competitive boards that we migrated here from.
Fortunately most of the savvy longs here have come to appreciate the lack of value of such leeches but it seems to be hard for all (including this post)to just let them talk to themselves and not offer response - which they inturn just ignore the facts and logic as they aren't here to do anything but bash and mislead.
Other longs, I increased my long held position today so looking forward to the future. I've met current SEVU management this year, seen some of the products, and believe we are in very good hands for the next step forward. Wish the past was a bit smoother but with a great product, a worldwide need in many segments of society, little debt, reasonable amount of outstanding shares, and qualified, enthusiastic SEVU team in action ... hey the future is only up from here!!
Appreciate reading the posts of many of you - keep it up - now I will go back to lurking.
TIA, zagdad (used to be WWU_N62)
TA, I'm a long time long and expect the better days are ahead of us but to be very simple about the issue of revenue recognition I can't imagine who told you that revenue could be corrctly claimed based on an order received. Again to be simple, let's use two examples that would cause revenue to not be taken in a given quarter - 1) something not shipped/ has not left the back door, and 2) something that had a contingency on it usually won't be official while strings are attached. Unless there is some other set of rules for small items or ?? I'd be surprised that revenue can be counted as suggested before 2001 - certainly can't do it in the tech business.
That said, I hope those days are just history and the future gets us back on track.
Gary
Cookie,
Pathetic - obviously getting desperate and running out of angles.
Maybe we should adapt a great prophetic statement from a very good movie - "If you build it, they will come..."
Thanks F&G for the updates. I too have met George and seems very much on the straight and narrow.
Cookie, I will also tell you that I was sitting in George's SEVU office when the unfortunate news about you dad came to him and there was visable concern and upset by all SEVU folks that I encountered. Reading daily many of your outrages assertations is perplexing for some I'm sure but easily dismissed by most. Get on board and enjoy the ride!
Gary
Brettin, I also don't agree with Bull on the focus on dress and choice of playmates. Getting production in order and rolling is a necesary paramount target but lots of tolerance is possible these days if the business issues are taken care of. Hey anybody that can land a prize half their age has to be respected!! Also thanks again to you and all others who have posted their experience at the OH.
Gary
Excuse double post. EOM.
Longs and those who managed to attend SEVU today,
As a long time holder and one who had a plan to get there from the Left Coast, I was disappointed to have to call yesterday and free up my pass to one of the last minute showees. That said, my thanks to those with meeting accounts so far and those coming over the next few days. I would also like to be included in any off Board email updates, etc. if possible. My email is gmp@pobox.com and I'll hope to join any sun drenched vacation to be attend by millionaires created by SEVU in the next few years!!
TIA, Gary (ex WWU_N62)
Longs and those who managed to attend SEVU today,
As a long time holder and one who had a plan to get there from the Left Coast, I was disappointed to have to call yesterday and free up my pass to one of the last minute showees. That said, my thanks to those with meeting accounts so far and those coming over the next few days. I would also like to be included in any off Board email updates, etc. if possible. My email is gmp@pobox.com and I'll hope to join any sun drenched vacation to be attend by millionaires created by SEVU in the next few years!!
TIA, Gary (ex WWU_N62)
FNG, yours is the consistent garbage! Take a hike .. oh and don't forget to take with you the sorry set of your "buddies" that most of us have to jump over day in and day out.
Gary
Longs, why does anyone even waste a keystroke on posters like Crookk? It just creates more unreadables as they respond with more useless drivel, etc. Maybe I've missed the option on this board - is there an "ignore" method??
I'm a year + long with a previous alias of "WWU_N62"who mostly reads and lurks daily but feel strongly that SEVU will once again be a significant winner for all who are patient. Trying to get to the open house or an individual visit soon thereafter so will look forward to cutting through the BS and see the true business prospects for I what I believe they are going to be. A Left Coaster so tougher than I'd like to get to SEVU. Look forward to the reports of the open house if I don't get to attend from the longs I follow regularily.
Gooooooooo SEVU - I believe a real steal at these prices as production ramps up on a unique, affordable product with unbelievable potential in more product and user tiers worldwide than one could dream up. And an investor position with 15+M OS and a low number of those in the real float - pleeeeze, that's incredible considering many of the other "hot" (well at least WAS - LOL) stocks pumped and dumped daily with 100sM shares OS and no product, etc. Unfortunately I have some of those forever losers too from last years' misguided enthusiasim.
Only time will truley tell but I feel very confident overall and with some fine tuning of operations and their public posture, we'll be riding a rocket in time.
Back to the shadows for now, my thanks for all the interesting posts by longs. Gary