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Isn't Paris one of the Greek heros as well? There is also supposed to be something called Athens as well, so there may be some Greek theme in naming of these chips.
Joe
Not a Short,
If it makes you feel any better, I have seen Opteron run 64 bit Windows server almost a year ago, at the annual shareholder meeting.
Joe
Paul,
That's very interesting if true. There was a lot of speculation ealry on if there are the pins in the Socket 754 for 2 memory channels.
I hope we will give others to confirm this.
Joe
wbmw,
In addition, you ignore the comments I made in my previous message, while being a stinking hypocrite and calling me the FUDster. You haven't changed a bit, Joe. You still use the same, lame 'Droid argumentative tactics that you used on SI.
I don't really object to FUD, as long as it is real, thick. It is your version of the thinly veiled, sanctimonious, duplicitous variety that for some reason annoys me.
Well, best of luck as always on your languishing AMD stock, because I've lost all interest in what you have to say. This conversation is over.
I think I will start a collection of your whiny retreats, and one day, I will publish "The Best Of".
BTW, if I could critique this latest "exit", I have to say that you are missing a few ingredients, such as how offended you are, how unfair the rest of the world is (especially this thread and the moderator), and that you are going to take your marbles and play at a different playground.
Joe
wbmw,
in case you haven't noticed, Unisys, Bull, Legend, and others are already shipping E8870 systems, and they have been since December. I guess the chipset slipped at least 6 months...
Well, doesn't it contradict your earlier FUD err, I mean assertion:
"I suppose I'll have to amend my statement to say that *if* a company relies on a single outside firm to own the designs that will be the main revenue source for their business, they better make *damn* sure that the firm has a long history of reliability in their products, their schedules, and their relationship."
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=848898
Your other point: Serverworks? Grand Champion? Anyone ever let you in on how disasterous that product launch was? I couldn't agree with you more. ServerWorks at one point had "a long history of reliability in their products, their schedules, and their relationship[s].", far more so than Intel at various times, and then they blew their schedule.
How about IBM's Itanium II chipset? That schedule has been blown as well. There have been others with Itanium platform ambitions, and as far as I can tell, only HP was able to deliver something on time.
So basically, all these giants don't really have much more credibility than the tiny Newisys. As far as I can tell, Newisys has not blown any schedule, and their designs will become available with launch of Opteron. (AMD has, but that's another subject).
Joe
wbmw,
this explanation completely flies in in the face of Dell success. Dell has not offered specialized custom designs or featurs, and gained share on those that do (Compaq, IBM, HP, Sun). The same goes for the white box market, which uses the same tactics as Dell, but with far lower volumes and name recognition.
Joe
wbmw,
I suppose I'll have to amend my statement to say that *if* a company relies on a single outside firm to own the designs that will be the main revenue source for their business, they better make *damn* sure that the firm has a long history of reliability in their products, their schedules, and their relationship. Newisys has a long way to go before they can fall into that category.
Good point. The server vendors who committed their main source of revenue made damn sure that they went with established vendor such as Intel for their Itanium II solution, specifically E8870 based products.
Intel's long history of reliability assured that these OEMs had their Itanium II products on market since the CPU release date since July 2002. Oops chipset not ready till September. Oops, September 2002 and the firm has a long history of reliability in their products puts you on hold. Oops, March 2003, is anything shipping?
Joe
wbmw,
But now that you remind me, is FSC going to offer a complete Opteron top-to-bottom solution, or just another rebadged Newisys system?
What is a top-to-bottom solution?
Joe
Elmer,
I don't listen to Brinker, so I have no idea what the trigger is, but don't you think it has something to do with valuation? S&P touched 800 last week, which is not a near term low, but pretty close.
The war actually might have contributed to his call, making current situation a "buying opportunity" - well, we can at least hope it is.
Joe
yb,
Newegg is not always accurate in whether you get Tbred A or B. I ordered what was listed on the web site as Tbred A (1800) and I got Tbred B.
If you are not planning on overclocking the chip, Tbred A is actually a better choice since it has a lower power consumption because of lower voltage (1.5 V vs. 1.6 V of Tbred B).
Joe
wbmw,
Thanks for the link. I think those prices are a little high, but I am not complaining, since it leaves a lot of room for AMD to offer a more price competitive product for price conscious consumers.
Joe
Elmer,
So what would have happened if they hit their original schedule and released Hammer end of 2001?
I asked the same question about Itanium in the past. It seems that after years of delays, and almost 2 years into official release, the first "real" Windows version is still a month away.
Joe
wbmw,
I think the Centrinos are good CPUs. But the prices I have seen posted on the web were very high IMO.
BTW, do you have a link to the official prices? The official price list does not list Banias / Centrino:
http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/
Joe
Keith,
Another confirmation of the 400Mhz FSB.
Yes, but it is the same source (Digitimes).
Joe
Elmer,
Pretty good jump from Tbred to Barton at the same clock speed. Similar to Willamette to Northwood.
Joe
D,
Nothing personal but I'm not impressed. I mean come on now, can't AMD spend just a little more money here?
Are you talking about the garments? I think less is more <g>.
Joe
Edit: CJ beat me.
Vote for AMD babes here:
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/fun/pit_babes/" target="_new">http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.html?http://f1.racing-live.com/en/fun/pit_babes/
Thanks to AMDZone
wbmw,
I think this (100W and higher) processors could gain more acceptance if there is some way to cool the CPU using the surface of the case, maybe with heatpipes. Forced air is probably reaching it's limit, as noise (because of PC in the living room) becomes more of an issue.
Joe
yb,
Intel no longer support SMP in their consumer CPUs. In the past, Intel supported SMP officially, if you were willing to shell out for full blown Pentium CPUs and dual motherboard. But with P4, the SMP support stopped.
Joe
yb,
I don't really see any market for Itanium. Maybe 1% niche. There may be a market for IA64 instruction set, if it is tagged on to a processor that has a competitive 32 bit performance. It may very well be possible at 90 nm or 65 nm.
BTW, these kind of processor (P4 + IA64, or P4 + x86-64) are much bigger threat to AMD than Intanium, IMO.
As far as power consumption, I think it is becoming such an important issue that the CPU designers are forced to leave some performance on the table in order to stay within acceptable power consumption envelope.
Joe
wbmw,
90W is not too far away for AMD. 120W is not too far away for Intel. 200W is not too far away for either company.
I disagree. In some niche markets- maybe, but I doubt > 100W or 120W processors will ever become mainstream.
Joe
wbmw,
"4 out of 4 Tier 1 vendors have not announced any plans for Opteron based systems (HPQ, IBM, Sun, Dell)."
I have to concede here. Itanium certainly out-announced all other processors and architectures.
Joe
yb,
I think 2600 is going to continue to be offered, since it is in the lineup of some OEMs. 2700 and 2800 Tbreds will probably not be mass market products, and AMD will probably not push TBred any more (assuming Barton is fine).
Joe
wbmw,
In other words, 3 out of 4 Tier 1 vendors are not selling Itanium (IBM, Sun, Dell).
Joe