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I wonder what true land mass is in question and how it would affect Barrick's plan to mine the ore body.
Based on what Barrick are saying it has no real relevance to their overall plan. Therefore, what are we really looking at here?
If titles are cleared what are both parties holding and can Barrick work around the Lopehandia holding with no effect as they are purporting.
Or are there still Chilean court proceedings "translation" (big money manipulation)in the works which will give clear title to Barrick???
Seems to me that after 10 years of litigation in Chile there must be some form of clarity as to who has rights to this land and if it is not Barrick, why would they continue to expense and develope the property...for appearance sake....are they idiots or are they........... something else.........??
And why would the Chilean government allow them to develope the property if the title is in someone else's name and a ruling has been made......regarding that title ?????
Would the mining permits not be recinded if title was not in good stead??
Is this all bogus because it is happening in Chile?
What credibility have the Chilean courts if their rulings can not be disclosed clearly???
Why is there such a cloud over the 2008 ruling?
Not sure as to his overall motivation although sounds like someone who has been close to the action for some time.
He has a lot of the deep background info and seems to have a serious vendeta going against the playas.
I would be careful in his postings unless he is from far far away where they really do not have any internet libel rules ..... perhaps he is a Yeti guarding the Chilean glaciers above Pascua Lama..... er.... oh .......
Well we do need to be somewhat litehearted at times like these
have at it Prospector............
I anyone is interested in folowing metals the Kitco precious metals site is very usefull.PAA as well as SLW are likely winners.
Although SLW will take a hit if this Pascua deal is negative for Barrick and the bought silver at $4.00 an ounce?????
Too bad we can't wish the gold/silver out of the ground.
Any positive development for MWR re Pascua Lama will take many years to realize any true potential unless it is sold off to a major miner acceptable to the Chilean native peoples and the law makers.
I do not have a link. The referance I made was taken from one of Prospector's post at Yahoo talking about a release made on Stockwatch.
I am not a stockwatch member so their releases are not available unless you are a subscribed member.
I think there is litigation against Stockwatch regarding this statement made on behave of Barrick on Stockwatch regarding the Pascua Lama saga.
Erin Regent was on BNN this am and surely did not make any supportive statements regarding their Pascua Lama development.
Kinda mentioned the reserve and went on to other subjects almost looked like it was rehersed.......don't ask me about Pascua Lama and anything negative sort of thing......
Movie at 11:00
I think "prospector" is Shrek's talking donkey getting ready to go mining in the High Andes and Atacama desert.
He needed an opportunity like this!!!
At this juncture I surely can not believe it would be an insider posting like this. Of course I have been wrong before can't remeber when but I have most likely.........
Prospector seems to have a full time job slamming "ABX et al" on yahoo board ABX.
does anyone here have any details as to the following press release article concerning MWR. Lopehandia and MINA PASCUA....
"STOCKWATCH published an article favoring Barrick and attacking MINA PASCUA OWNER and Mountain West Resources MWR-TSX with LIES and fabrications of Andy Lloyd PR man for ABX, who engaged in overt FRAUD TO SEC coverup 2011!"
this from prospector posting
wonder who's payroll he in on.........
movie at 11:00
Ulmant based on what you described in referance to a converstion with Tronox regarding the what, where's, when's on TROXV; do you think you were given the Gazinggggggg!!!
Gibney indicated to you that TROXV had nothing to do with Tronox corporatly and is now proposed to be their trading sign????
What are your thoughts since it was you who had this discussion??
Based on 15,000,000 share capitalization would this mean that Troxox exit value is about 1.85 B$$$ a far cry from 1.4B$
thanks for your germanic reply...........
awaiting, awaiting, always awaiting..............
For what it is worth I am sticking to it.
I am banking on the greed format.
Greed of the EC group who made a deal with creditors, relinquished on their own exit plan format for some form of settlement with the creditors group.
I am thinking a no sale deal for a defined period.
I am thinking of payback as well lost gains based on projected warrant values.
This BK exit deal one has to realize was complicated to the nth degree and therefore has to have some longer term benefits to those decisional players involved. IMO
The Trovx share activity is demonstrating the marketability of Tronox to the securities dealer group et al the stakeholders. This is front and center to overall valuation as exit is much nearer.
Sometimes the greed of one or few can benefit the many.
Not too often though......... "caveat emptor" my friends
movie at 11:00
Is this referring to an agreement with Lopehandia for a stake level in Mina Pascua.........
movie at 11:00
If you were a holder when the deal on exit was made between creditors and EC you would have received an anouncment detailing the percentage of A&B warrants as they related to company valuation on a certain date.
It is that date I am not sure of,I believe it to be valuation on the exit date from BK therefore I also believe this is why TROXV in trading.
To give market valuation prior to BK exit.
Warrant values/quantities will be based on this overall valuation when conversion is made.
Been through to this point....
I'ma holding till the cows come home or the value is defined by warrant issue.
based on projected industry dynamics I believe there is futur value in holding the pinks...
your cat reminds me of me waiting for this thing to happen....
There are no market makers in this security. It is not listed, traded or quoted on any stock exchange or the OTC Markets. Trades in grey market stocks are reported by broker-dealers to their Self Regulatory Organization (SRO) and the SRO distributes the trade data to market data vendors and financial websites so investors can track price and volume. Since grey market securities are not traded or quoted on an exchange or interdealer quotation system, investor's bids and offers are not collected in a central spot so market transparency is diminished and Best Execution of orders is difficult.
FYI
pit of snakes I tell you..............
There are no market makers in this security. It is not listed, traded or quoted on any stock exchange or the OTC Markets. Trades in grey market stocks are reported by broker-dealers to their Self Regulatory Organization (SRO) and the SRO distributes the trade data to market data vendors and financial websites so investors can track price and volume. Since grey market securities are not traded or quoted on an exchange or interdealer quotation system, investor's bids and offers are not collected in a central spot so market transparency is diminished and Best Execution of orders is difficult.
slimmy bunch of snakes................. dark hole like always before
I found this looks like Tronox trading like a stock until issued
What's with this???
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/TROXV/company-info
Anyone have any predictions as to when this is coming out of BK?
2012 is getting nearer!!!!
Thanks for that post and subsequent follow up. Seems to me that new good news will take this up and when BK exits there will be in the money gains for current holders of A&B stock.
Once all liabilities have been delt with I think the reserves will be less than required and should have a positive outcome.
I would suggest that the principal of MWR; one guy, would need to be really obsessed with this case(Fitzgerald Fraud). It has become his raison d'aitre and through this he has found Lopehandia in a similar cause.
What were the chances of that happening 12 years ago.
He has persevered for over 12 years to no end whatsoever. Gotta think about that for a minute or two. True to what.... justice maybe!
He would perhaps have been further ahead if he had bought himself a shovel and started digging up his neigborhood or found a real job. That's an ugly proposition.
Big money and gready crooked lawyers almost always win unless you are Erin Brokovich.
Since I have become part of this,I wish for all little people who live out little lives in the system that he will find peace and some level of success in all of this............may some form of justice be served.
Greed rules but times are a changing my friends.
ET is on the way...sorry GEORGE and West Coast.
movie at 11:00
I would suggest that the principal of MWR; one guy, would need to be really obsessed with this case. It has become his raison daitre and through this he has found Lopehandia in a similar cause.
What were the chances of that happening 12 years ago.
He has persevered for over 12 years to no end whatsoever. Gotta think about that for a minute.
He would perhaps have been furter ahead if he had bought himself a shovel and started digging up his neigborhood.
Big money and gready crooked lawyers almost always win.unless you are Erin Brokovich.
Since I have become part of this I wish for all little people who live out little lives in the system that he will find peace and some level of sucess in all of this............may some form of justice be served.
Greed rules but times are a changing my friends.
movie at 11:00
I know for sure he had posted some significant rants in the past and was sued for these by Barrick.
I can not believe at this juncture that there would not be a muzzle code on anyone involved.
This post has no credibilty and seems to come out of nowhere unless Barrick issued news on a level of success regarding the Chile land case.
does anyone have knowledge on that???
What up with this?????
As read, from ABX yahoo ISA finance Boards...
I Jorge R. Lopehandia, have reviewed the posting below, rendering it, as factual and accurate.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
ABX must produce title to 2010 alleged VICTORY in Chile 20-Jan-11 02:40 pm The liars are hooped..
Those titles are in the name of JORGE R. LOPEHANDIA
ABX claimed VICTORY 2010 that VILLAR appealed... is actually an ABX 2010 DEFEAT
The 2010 court decision, leaves the properties that Barrick claims VICTORY in mr. Lopehandia's hands 2011 since 2001 via injunction C-1912-2001 that Barrick et al can not DEFEAT AT LAW.
Twisted lies DEMAND open PUBLIC CHALLENGE to ABX to produce title to its name at 2011 over the areas claimed as LEGAL VICTORY 2010.
The writer has seen the titles 2010 and they are in the name of JORGE LOPEHANDIA for the C-1912-2001 decision 2010
Barrick is dead wrong or lies are flowing out of their sorry mouths... PROVE IT twisted ABX prove that ABX has title to 2010 claimed VICTORY areas... check mate u crooks!!!!
Long live the legal truth of record that shall set free the owners of Mina Pascua from ABX's crooked legal-financial claws.
Barrick opened its own GRAVEYARD with this 2010 LEGAL VICTORY MISREPRESENTATION "based on Villar's appeal".... what a twisted bunch of crooks! you have opened the PANDORA BOX BARRICK
where are the 2011 titles to Barrick's name or its subsidiaries 2011 clean eh?
want to claim 2010 LEGAL CHILE VICTORY BARRICK? then show the darn titles to your name or exit the Exchanges forever! AMEN!
Posted by Jorge R. Lopehandia at 2011-01-20 16:02
Can anyone ascertain if this is real sounds like a freaking lunatic. Is this resent or brought from past.
This guy can't be for real!!!!
What credidibilty can any of this derive at this juncture..
Why would J P put this out now
Any of you feel free to comment........
This is utter nonsense..........
Are you suggesting that there may be insider buying going on based on information only available to those insiders??
This stock has always been driven by speculation on what if's.
To me looks like there may be some options doled out prior to some development.
Insiders have been acquiring low cost stock for a while now.
I am not a fan of no value dilution but then penny stocks are penny stocks....
Pays your money take your chances.
10 years option is not common and paints a scenario that a there may be a long wait to get fair value on any new values forthcoming. Or could be a screen.
I guess we will wait to see what develops.
Continued share dilution at the expense of long term public holders.
No cash means pay off with many low value shares...............and I mean many.
The question still is if Tronox originally thought they had a case bassed on the information MWR brought to them why did they bail at the 10th hour instead of taking it to court
My only speculation is that the ultra greedy principles at Tronox were to be remunerated on other factors where the extension of this fraud case did not directly benefit them. As such the case was likely an impediment to BK exit.
Tronox were advised by Rothschild & Co (same advisors to Barrick)to vacate and keep this thing from going further;thinking MWR would have to let it go based on further litigation costs as well as legal impediments.
The case now brought on by MWR against Tronox is to see litigation proceedings when ??? in My lifetime I hope.....
movie at 11:00
Jorge and MWR should be talking to GRZ.
They have some cash doing nothing and a few shovels.
They had a mine going in Venezuela until Mr. Chavez's govm't took it away.
If they get a settlement they will have a lot of cash no mine.......
projected time span late 2011
http://www.stockwatch.com/News/Item.aspx?bid=Z-C%3aMWR-1800509&symbol=MWR®ion=C
More big dark smoke feeling a little more heat now
Article poorly written but gives current status in my view....
movie at 11:00
I hate to keep repeating myself but here we go again.
Can anyone assist in thoughts as to why TRONOX vacated the Fitzgerald case?????????
Speaking of mining,as far as I can tell no one involved has seen or been active with an actual mining activity.
Processing tailings is not really mining. Nat gas royalties is not mining either.
They may need our help. I have several shovels and some old screening I can bring.
Has anyone heard any rumblings of a possible settlement with Barrick on the case?
The information on the internet demonstrates that the Chilean people involved near the site are not big fans of Barrick.
They would rather Barrick die in a hole so to speak, so I am wondering what the political landscape would offer Barrick if they wanted to settle with Lopehandia?
Barricks likely problems would be "fairly big"as it relates to the general market and past promisses re Pascua Lama.
How long would it take Lopehandia-MWR to monetize their claim given success? What are the current individuals involved timelines toward personal issues?
Now Mr. Lopehandia has joinedMountain-West's promotion. On Jan. 10, 2011, he attended the company'sannual general meeting at which he summarized his attempts to prove hisownership rights to the Pascua Lama project. The company would notelaborate as to what Mr. Lopehandia talked about, however presidentJohnson says Mr. Lopehandia "spoke for about an hour to the 55 peoplethere who afterward gave him a strong ovation." Mr. Johnson says he hasnot heard such a strong ovation since investors clapped for JohnFelderhof at the PDAC (Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada)convention some years ago.
with referance to John Felderhof I am not sure if this is
in relation to the largest fraud case in Canadian mining history or something else.......... not a wise referance in my opinion.........
movie at 11:00
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58874190
more background re Pascua Lama
Some major crap is about to hit.
Do not know how much of this is for real but there is a lot of smoke here therefore there must be some heat big heat.......
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58870781
Check Wikipedia under Pacua lama and they talk about legal actions re the ownership of Pascua Lama and Jorge Lopehandia's.
Chilean Supreme court ruling on Pascua Lama
There are likely as many scenerios in the pursuit of the Nevada case as one's imagination would allow.
At present MWR is stuck in reverse on this one.
Tronox bailed at the 11th hour Why?
The real value if anything positive were to happen would be to carry the case against current property holders for remedies on historic losses.
The referance I made to Fitzgerald and Barrick was one of emphasis nothing directed toward any posters.
I know on this board we are all of a single mind. To see through the end of what we currently know to be going on.
This whole unfolding of MWR activities has in a way been fun to be a part of,lets all concentrate to its fruitfull ending.
Snakes and ladders...... anyone......anyone......
I don't think anyone is worried as to what you know or don't know.
I do not think of anyone on this board as a pumper.
I do think we would all like to see real success for MWR.
Some have been waiting a REAL long time to see some form of payback. I hope for all we will see it soon.
When push comes to shove only real makes the differance,real substantiated information based on logical data and realistic forward outlook.
Share value will only accelerate when a more general following takes notice.Assuming there is value of course.
Here is more data from Jorge's past
http://www.stikeman.com:80/cps/rde/xchg/se-en/hs.xsl/5983.htm
Do you think Lopehandia's would agree in any way shape or form to sell to Barrick if he was to partner with MWR.See my last post or do your own DD.
I am sure any legal agreement between the two Parties would make this clear very clear. IMO
I realize money is money but I believe in this case it is different. Jorge is Chilean and that makes a differance.
I you want more data follow the posts at MWR this will give you insight into Pascua Lama as they are directly involved.
Rover.... the positive or any outcome of the Fitzgerald case has everthing to do with the Goldstrike Mine and Barrick........period
I am far from being a lawyer and would otherwise be remiss in an opinion.
Until someone can explain why Tronox would walk away from a reward potential as brought to them originally by MWR at the late stages of the case progression..... I have no credibilty in any forward deal where MWR'shareholders would be rewarded.
There are some real bad things that took place in the final stages of the Tronox decision to vacate.
Their financial advisors were likely involved.
I believe same company advising Barrick. (Goldstrike Mine).
The sentiment here is big money looking after big money.
greed,avarice,subtrifusion,collusion....normal day for US mining activity