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Some companies sell two cassettes one for igg and one for igm
Some companies put both on the same cartridge basically two for one
I think the double is better as it tests both but the sales guy in China told me it’s a waste to test for both because you should know which one the person should test for
When it only costs a couple of bucks why take the risk ? Just test both every time
It didn’t say but the fact that they said they’ve “started” would likely mean no because PRED will surely press release as soon as they have stock i would think
So my logic tells me it’s highly unlikely it’s PREDS but I sure would like to know whose kits are being used
Useful FDA list
https://www.360dx.com/coronavirus-test-tracker-launched-covid-19-tests
This list looks to be updated on a regular basis.
We can clearly see the CELLEX "approval" and the other 30+companies offering antibody tests are just "EUA not required" or "EUA submission pending"
I'm a little confused though as to why PRED isn't on this list. Surely they should be listed with the "EUA not required" category ?
I have seen press releases describe Cellex as a finger prick so I think theoretically finger prick is possible they just aren’t marketing it that way right now
Or the press releases are wrong. Also possible
I’m pretty sure Cellex has approval and the rest are authorized
The internet is full of press releases saying Cellex was the first antibody to get approval and there is a letter online from the FDA stating their approval
No one else Has what Cellex has (yet)
Yeah Im pretty sure FDA approval would be an immediate and huge press release as well as a stock surge
Where is the fda approval ?
Last I heard only Cellex had approval. The rest of the companies only are permitted to sell with their caveats
Did PRED get approval today or something?
I look forward to your findings
I will search this later myself
Yes indeed they didn’t say.
Would be nice to clarify though because certainly most people would believe they were referring to the kit in question
Not sure how they will deal with the 1.5 million per day stat though
Perhaps they will say 1.5 million per day is the total output of both anti body test AND pcr ?
But that would mean that dablood account for over one third of the entire country production?
Numerous websites say Daan output is 500,000 per day max so it’s gonna be a tough claim to support at this point.
Let’s see ....
“All is well, pred is on a great place. All the other competition have problems, can’t get out of China, “
I am also aware of the changes in China and difficulty of getting product out. Why did you say this ?
Why are dablood able to get product out but no one else can ?
Thanks
I’ve learned that the pred pr about the kits has inaccuracies
I don’t know what is going to happen tomorrow how could I ?
Yes I know they have a negative tone towards the company. Sometimes the truth has negative tones towards certain people or companies
If you know people in the company encourage them to put out accurate info in their press releases and then I won’t have anything to do
No
I’ve researched other stocks
This is just the first time I’ve used this board
I also think some of PREDS PRs are unbelievable and have information that backs it up
Eg “38 million sold” News reports from China say guangdong province (where Daan is) has put out IN TOTAL over 10 million kits (yes 38 million is over 10 million but im pretty sure the figure over ten million means between 10&11 million)
“1.5 million per day production capacity “ The total production capacity for ALL OF CHINA is 1.2 million per day (for the antibody style) and 3.08 for pcr style. One company dablood makes all the kits ?
Dablood/Daan/Darui are NOT on the China government list for the pin prick test. Daan is on the list for PCR test ONLY. Darui has an application in for its pin prick but it isn’t approved yet
Did I find inaccurate info ?
You can see that from my profile
I came here last week because I was researching pred and stumbled upon this site and thought it would help (which it has)
So, so far only PRED.
I reckon I could learn a lot about stock trading here too. That’s something that intrigues me so that’s a secondary reason I’m here
I enjoy analyzing figures and data.
As I said before I prefer to let the research stand on its own merit. It shouldn’t matter who does the research only the information matters and whether it’s correct or not.
If answer any of those questions about myself in a way that discredits the theories people have they will call me a liar so it’s impossible to win and therefore pointless to answer because the result will be the same and my answer won’t change anyone’s opinions etc. It will just become another off topic pointless debate.
So I understand you are curious but it’s impossible to verify anything I say about myself so no point.
However it IS possible to verify info I find online about pred and the covid tests so feel free to discredit the info I find. I welcome it because we can’t believe everything we read online right ? I wanna find out what the truth is.
Looking forward to the next PR
My work is research. Unrelated to the stock price
I will go on vacation once I figure out what’s really going on.
The stock price is just interesting to watch
Another fact worth noting is Daan gene/ Darui / Dablood none of these 3 companies have an igg igm blood test approved by the Chinese government.
Daan has a pcr test which looks for the virus (throat swab if I’m not mistaken) not antibodies
So the dablood pin prick test can’t even be legally sold in China (yet). However I saw an announcement from Daan that Darui has applied for their pin prick test. They are waiting for approval.
So this is interesting
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03tO0NGUp_GO3FBiNFK0dy14P4uwA%3A1586125215195&source=hp&ei=n1mKXtnnCM7usQWQo4aYDA&q=120%E4%B8%87%E4%BA%BA%E4%BB%BD%2F%E5%A4%A9&oq=120%E4%B8%87%E4%BA%BA%E4%BB%BD%2F%E5%A4%A9&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBADOgcIIxDqAhAnOgUIABCRAjoFCC4QkQI6AggAOgIILjoECAAQCjoECAAQDDoECB4QCjoFCCEQoAFQnDJY64QBYPqJAWgEcAB4BIABjweIAcM1kgEOMS4xMS4zLjMuMS4yLjKYAQCgAQGwAQg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp
That google search should show you a bunch of search results of news feeds all saying the same thing
The China government has now approved a total of 25 companies (8 of which are doing the anti body testing)
The very interesting point is that the TOTAL PRODUCTION OUTPUT OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY is 1.2 million per day anti body kits. 3.06 million of the nucleic acid detection.
This isn’t my info so don’t take your disappointment out on me. This is what the Chinese government has apparently said. (I say apparently because I wasn’t there to hear it. But I’m pretty sure it’s true)
Should I believe the PRED press release or the Chinese government?
Let’s throw PRED a bone here. I am willing to admit that PRED were lied to by Dablood. It’s possible. Let’s just not do any number crunching based on 1.5 million kits per day at least. It ain’t happening (according to all those news papers in China, not me)
Yeah i think the word authorized is much better than the word “approved” which was what the first poster said and why I asked my question. Because perhaps PRED got approved and I missed it. So obviously I want to know if/when PRED get approved.
Right now lots of companies are “authorized” so it isn’t very special however “approval” is quite special I think
I still think the FDA wouldn’t allow the expression “FDA approved/authorized” on any packaging but I could be wrong there too.
Right I see
I guess anytime I see the expression "fda approval" I wonder what that means exactly.
"Last month, the FDA said it wouldn’t authorize these types of tests the same way as molecular diagnostics. The agency described them as less complex, and said it would not object to their unreviewed use as long as they were clinically validated and not used as the sole method to diagnose an infection."
In my opinion "not objecting" isn't equal to "approval"
I'm sure many would, and will, disagree but in my opinion, to my knowledge, the only blood test for antibodies "approved" by FDA is Cellex's. The rest are "not objected" to.
Could PRED but the text "FDA APPROVED" on their packaging ? I highly doubt it.
Instead I see the need for the following as per FDA website :
Laboratories and healthcare providers must include this information in their patient test report as specified in FDA guidance:
This test has not been reviewed by FDA (how can they "approve of something they haven't reviewed ?)
Negative results do not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection, particularly in those who have been in contact with the virus. Follow-up testing with a molecular diagnostic should be considered to rule out infection in these individuals.
Results from antibody testing should not be used as the sole basis to diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2 infection or to inform infection status.
Positive results may be due to past or present infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E.
"Approval" doesn't seem like the right word to me.
But I could be wrong. If so help me see it.
I'm sorry
I've probably missed this among the many posts here
"PRED is already fda approve d to ship to first responders "
What FDA approval is this?
The last I knew CELLEX was the first and currently only FDA approved blood test check for antibodies (currently not yet finger prick but still the same igg/igm method)
Bodysphere got in trouble for claiming FDA approval when they actually didn't have it. They misunderstood something about their application and withdrew their claim when FDA warned them
So I would like to know more about what FDA approval PRED has.
I know
I just saw you asked about this story so I replied with the link.
But then after I saw someone posted it without hitting reply to your message so your question didn’t show any reply, hence I thought I would help by posting the link for you
Afterwards i saw the post with the link and realized someone had answered without using reply feature
If I could delete my post, I would have.
Was merely trying to help by answering a question.
What are you talking about ? I never doubted they were a real company
I would like to see that too
Do you mean PREDs press releases ?
I don't believe every detail of the PRs
Eg I don't believe 38 million kits were sold when other press releases say only 10 million have been sold (therefore I believe neither because there are conflicting PRs)
I also don't believe the 1.5 million per day capacity is true because someone in the industry told me that no one has that capacity, and another PR said Dablood upgraded to 20,000 per day at the end of Jan. I find it very hard to believe they went from 20,000 per day to 1.5 million per day in just a couple months (but of course with enough money it certainly IS possible just unlikely in my opinion)
So I'm not ruling out the possibility, since I haven't seen the facilities myself (yet)
So basically I don't believe anything I can't verify myself independently from a source that doesn't have anything to gain. Naturally I will take any of PREDs PRs with a pinch of salt. I am receiving info that conflicts with their PRs and the info is coming from sources with nothing to gain from contradicting the PREDs PRs. But of course I can't verify the contradicting views.
Naturally I am always more inclined to believe the sources that have nothing to gain from PREDs PRs being true or false. They are truly objective. But it's also possible they are misinformed.
So I have my opinion/beliefs (which aren't important) but not enough FACTS yet. Still digging ....
I can't verify the info to be 100% true (yet)
"someone at the company said X" - what if that someone is wrong ? Maybe they lied to me? Or they didn't lie they just didn't know the actual situation ? I have to assume everything is possible unless I talk to someone like Sunwei. Would really love to get Sunwei on the phone!
The info/source could be wrong so I'm trying to verify it first before I share it.
I agree. Use once and dispose
They are also really cheap so no need to re-use.
I applied to open an account but it's not easy to do so when you aren't in your home country. Lot's of checks and I don't have residence there anymore so I doubt I will be successful.
I would totally try to make some money on this stock if I had a way to buy the stock. It spikes nicely with each PR and I'm pretty sure more PRs are in the pipeline so more spikes are coming.
But I would never go super long based on my research thus far. Still trying to verify some disturbing info.
http://cellex.us/uploadfile/download/20203301948166231.pdf
This marketing material clearly says :
"Fast and easy to use: 15 minutes per test, easy to recognize results and no equipment needed"
So what's with the info about centrifuge ?
""BodySphere mistakenly believed when the manufacturer's product was listed on the FDA Registry website, that was the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) notification the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) was issued," "
I can't find this list. Does anyone know where to see this list that Body Sphere claimed to be on ?
I searched in google using :
site:fda.gov "body sphere" covid
and
site:fda.gov bodysphere covid
No list of companies comes up. Is this list publicly viewable ? Or are they just referring to the confirmation of application submission letter the FDA sends out ?
I have already seen the list of APPROVED companies which neither body sphere nor PRED are on. I'm not looking for the FDA approved list but the list that Body Sphere claims to be on.
Re point #4
I also saw this April 1 notice from the Chinese Government. It seems they are embarassed by the recent test kit scandals and want to clamp down on this.
I'm currently trying to figure out what they mean exactly by "approved" ?
Are they only allowing kits on their list of 23 to leave the country ?
Because there are many kits NOT on their list of 23 but have EU approval. People in this industry in China have told me they don't need to be on the list of 23 to send to Europe (which Dablood among many others not on the list of 23 have). The same people told me that since this announcement they can no longer send to the USA.
What kits exactly are being allowed to ship to the USA after this April 1 announcement ?
Do you have any additional info about this ?
So PREDs test don't need to be done in a certified lab?
If not what's the difference because PRED can't be done at home (yet). FDA hasn't authorized that for anyone yet.
As far as I can tell all tests have to be done at a lab, not just CELLEX
"At this time, the FDA has not authorized any test that is available to purchase for testing yourself at home for COVID-19."
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/faqs-diagnostic-testing-sars-cov-2#offeringtests
So can anyone tell me why there are 3 sets of instructions ?
It looks like there are different ways to do this test. It appears to me that whole blood, without centrifuging, is another option to do the test.
If there are Mayo clinic people on this board it would be great to hear about the actual test process.
I read the whole blood instructions. Thanks
I read the whole blood instructions. Thanks
I never said it was pin prick. Another PR said it was pin prick.
https://qz.com/1831438/what-does-it-mean-for-the-fda-to-authorize-a-coronavirus-test/
"On Wednesday, the US Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) to Cellex, a North Carolina pharmaceutical company, for a new finger-prick blood test that can detect an immune reaction to SARS-CoV-2."
Unlike some other people, I don't take every single PR on the internet as gospel. I do everything I can to verify what is the truth.