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I like it. And along the same lines, either a flag to show me a post has been previously restored by me (so I see that a delete is a re-delete) or a flag to make it impossible to re-delete it. I favor the former because there have been instances where I've restored a post and subsequently redeleted it after conversing with the chairman because he pointed out something I'd missed.
I agree with most of what you think should be done, but disagree about CoB's only being able to mark a post for deletion. I want them to be able to do the deletions. The other things you've suggested actually are on my "to-do" list and I expect to be working on them shortly after I gain access to the system, which I don't have yet. At this point I still don't know when I'll have it and I'm champing at the bit to start banging out code and get it implemented.
The vast majority of deletions in the past few weeks have been deletions I've agreed with and would've done myself. Where I didn't agree with them, I restored them and spoke with the directors of those boards. Some have disagreed with me, but all who are still chairing those particular boards have at least been complying with my wishes on deletions.
For the scenario you give, at least an equally bad scenario can be described for posts not getting deleted until I can get to them.
Here are my current plans for the CoB feature in order of anticipated implementation. The first 3 have been in the programmer's hands for a while and the rest are awaiting completion of the first 3 and my having the necessary access to write them myself:
1. Post removal requiring selection from a drop-down list of valid reasons for removing the post. This list includes items like "spam", "dupe", "privacy", "copyright", and "personal attack".
2. When I'm viewing deletions, I want to see the reason, the alias of the person who did the deletion, and the date of the deletion.
3. Show me deletions in reverse order on deletion date rather than reverse order on post date.
4. Revision of text displayed in Terms of Use and Board Manager How-to.
5. Insertion of the reason for deletion into the "This message has been removed..." message.
6. Automated PMing of the deleted text, deleter (word?) alias, and deletion reason to the author of the post.
7. Detailed reporting of deletion stats, including who is getting deleted the most and who is doing the most deletions.
I won't typically show my hand to this extent, as I prefer not to get too detailed about the what and when of upcoming changes or lead people to believe something is "soon" at a time when I honestly can't vouch for that, but I hope this will clear up some of the questions about the status of the CoB feature.
Regards,
HuBob
Admin and eventual Operations Manager
We'll leave you alone for the most part, as I'm also curious to see what you can come up with. But the midi in that post was worrying people about redirection, and I agree with that concern. Prefer that a person is only able to go off-site if they click a link they can plainly see is taking them off-site.
Noticed this before, that the site expands URLs in the header, which is also how we can embed graphics in thread message lists.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=88878
Bob, here's a little advice about business..
Wow! Dr. Pepper through the nose and onto the keyboard! Good one!
I have the benefit of being familiar with most of the players I'm seeing here and can tell the question is basically some chain-yanking, but it's definitely a valid question and I think you've presented a strong case for it not being one.
The stock boards are great for info and that sort of thing. But you really needed another facet to blow off steam
I have to agree. It's been a lot of fun today and this may adjust my thinking a bit on what I consider an ideal level of non-stock discussion, but I do still maintain that iHub should be first and foremost a *stock discussion site*; not a *generic discussion site*. Same is true of Silicon Investor, Raging Bull, and Yahoo.
The tangents are fun and help people stay on-topic in the stock threads, which is cool. As long as it's still interest in the market that serves as the thing we all have in common. In my ideal scenario, we *all* talk mostly about stocks (except me) and let our hair down in threads like this afterhours or as brief interludes during the trading day.
What part of "I don't post my opinions about stocks" sounds to you like "I post my opinions about stocks"? Hmmmm? If I'm not mistaken, the last time you saw me post an opinion about a stock was when I was saying not-so-rosy things about RMIL and you didn't like that. Especially when SI later hired me (at which point I kept my investment opinions to myself) and you *really* didn't like that.
You keep saying I do it. I keep saying I don't. I would think the responsibility lies with you to show that I do. Until then it's your word against mine.
but I am starting to agree with you now, about your participation. I think you SHOULD make your presence known on all the stock threads on ihub. join in, tell everyone what you think about their stocks,
Starting to agree with me? Haven't you read anything you or I have written? I said I don't tell anyone what I think of their stocks and you're saying you agree with me that I should.
Is anybody home, McFly?
Nope.
Hey! That might be where the scam is!
Which would make the posts on-topic, which wouldn't be scandalous, which would make the posts off-topic, which would be scandalous, which would make the posts on-top....... Dang! My brain hurts.
bob. stop trying to make analogies about analogies
Or else what? "leave the open ended or any other kind of threats out of your posts"
If you don't understand what I am saying by now about your participation on a stock thread's discussion, you never will.
I never will.
If you continue to interject your thoughts about any particular stock
That's where the problem is. I don't do it. You keep saying I do, but never back it up.
"If you continue to beat your wife..."
But like I said, if you're right, then you will truely have a better grasp on human nature than I.
That's true (of many things besides human nature) whether I'm right on this or not. But speaking of putting words into peoples' mouths, I'm "right" about what? That I should be posting my opinions about stocks? I never said that.
That's the problem with analogies. Personally, I like to use them, but it's considered a really poor way to try to apply logic.
What you're doing is taking the analogy and saying that because certain aspects are similar, all aspects are the same. The kind of logic that has blades of grass becoming sequioa if you don't mow them.
But I don't recall offering opinions about any stock here. Please point out to me where I have.
Now we're getting somewhere. A better analogy.
However....
While an umpire can make his prediction come true, I can't. And did I ever do something like that here? Are you talking about when I talked about X10 in the SEVU thread? Can you find in any post in the SEVU thread where I said anything remotely resembling an opinion of how SEVU will fare in the market?
bob, the police DON"T have any business interfering with the citizens.
Next time I'm speeding, I'll have to try that one.
And you're heading into area where your "sheriff" analogy is going to fall apart. Until now, we've been ignoring the fact that the role is also analogous to "judge".
Speaking very honestly (though it may not sound very humble), I don't know anyone who I would really trust being sheriff, counsel for both sides, judge, jury, and executioner, but think I'm doing it about as well as a human (complete with inherent flaws) can do it. No, not perfectly.
But......
Somehow I have trouble believing you could do better. Or half as well.
But let's get back to your central thesis: People who start stock threads should be able to delete any post they want to.
How can you possibly defend that? I'm all ears.
I feel a response coming up.
Way ahead of you.
When you lob a slow one down the middle, you really should pay attention so you can see it sailing out of the park.
I remember when Dilbert's employer was offering bonuses for every bug found, so Dilbert had Ratbert dance on his keyboard. Unfortunately, in doing so, he wrote a new web browser.
you're missing the point. bob works for the site. he has no business interfering with the posters. he should stay out of things. if he joins in, sooner or later he will take a side.
ROTFLMHWAO!!!!
"Policeman Al works for the city, therefore he has no business interfering with the citizens."
if you like him posting say so
Or else what? "leave the open ended or any other kind of threats out of your posts."
Try this simple test: Point a finger at the monitor. Now, count how many of your own fingers are pointing back at you. Should be about 3.
I welcome people being all over my case, especially when they're intelligent about it. I don't always agree with them, as is my right, but I certainly don't have a problem with well-reasoned, level-headed "bashing" of me. I, of all people, certainly shouldn't be immune.
Although I have to agree with an earlier statement about "respect". I feel I've earned it, in spades, and I tend to give it where it's given.
A squirrel who keeps getting unsolicited but welcome additions to his wintertime stores.
So, basically your "reasoning" is: "The sky is blue, therefore ice cream has bones."
I understand now.
Forgive me if I don't renounce future posting in the face of that staggering logic.
So what you're saying is my typing this time was an even more blatant waste of time than it is every other time I do it? <g>
FIAT = Fix it again, Tony.
do you understand yet how some of us have felt about that kind of behavior or does it have to happen to you in the exact fashion to get the point across
I've always understood, whether it's happened to me or not. And I believe it happens to me far more than anyone else. Surely you're not suggesting that this is the first time anyone has ever asserted bad things about me.
Started a long time ago when blaming my supposed evil intentions was the best way to shirk blame for leading people down the primrose path to an SEC halt and continues to this day for any number of reasons, even just the fact that I'm visible and an easy target.
Note that I practice what I preach, though, about "refute it, don't delete it". And I try to abide by the house rules while doing so.
If someone is being lied about, I won't interfere with their ability (or "right" as I've seen said before) to respond to those allegations, as long as they abide by the rules. If someone, in their defense, starts in with vulgarity, personal attacks, threats, etc, then their "right" to defend themselves is forfeited.
Cool!
Can I say here that GM products suck? Probably not. hehe
Seriously, I wouldn't mind having a Camaro or a Corvette. Just don't tell my 'stangs I said that.
who asked you?
Nobody did. If someone lies about me, am I supposed to just stay quiet about it until they ask me?
you're just supposed to be the "sheriff" here
Actually, considerably more than that, but for the sake of this discussion, we can leave it at your premise. What's that got to do with anything? I've never seen a cop with his mouth taped shut.
if you want to post on a message board go to another one where there can be no question of your motives, biases, intent, influence, partiality etc etc. don't you understand that?
I'm afraid I don't understand that at all. You're making these rather provocative statements but not backing them up at all.
What does my *posting* at all have to do with questions regarding my motives, etc. Those questions exist whether I post or not. I'm sure that in your mind, the fact that I banned your other account, while leaving most or all of your posts intact, smacks of some kind of bias too. Eh?
he can't do that, he thinks he's the guy that knows it all, and don't question him or you're gone.
False.
The rest of it is so patently ridiculous, I don't think it warrants addressing at all.
And not just the horsepower. I'm getting my 3650 lb mostly-stock Mustang up to about 125 (on a good day with a tailwind) on the front straight at Heartland. His car was even heavier and was probably seeing 150-160 mph there. I have to start braking about 300 feet from the entrance to the first turn (which is absolutely terrifying) and I'm sure he had to start around 500-600 feet because of the much higher inertia he had to scrub off.
The guys with the 700hp motors can get away with that kind of power because they're *much* lighter. Even my racecar, at 3050 lbs and 380hp lets me brake a lot later because it's so light. Well, that and the fact that the chassis is so solid the back brakes actually *do* something.
The only way I know the 91 has worn out rear brakes is when I hear them scraping. Under heavy braking, the rear tires on that one are barely touching the ground, which is why it's so terrifying -- trying not to let it do a violent spin while I'm doing triple digits about a foot away from a concrete wall.
I hate that layout because you have to scrub off a ton of speed to get ready for an extremely slow right-hander. It wears out brakes and driver very quickly. There's a configuration, though, that's an 85-mph left turn at that location, and it's a LOT more fun. I've actually had to slow that turn down because I can carry so much speed through it I can't get it all scrubbed off for the next one. I remember trying out some autocross tires (even stickier than road-race tires) there once and after a few laps had starting getting some really serious speed through that turn (near 100) only to suddenly find that I was going into the next one WAY too hot. Flat-spotted a pair of brand new tires after only about 5 laps. At $160 per tire. I put most of my used-up tires at the turns on our dirt track, but these occupy a "wall of shame" in my garage.
I've gotten so used to the Hoosiers that if I'm driving that car on street tires, I keep thinking something's wrong. Feels like I'm driving on ice.
I know I've got a pic somewhere showing what I do with my used-up race tires before putting them on the dirt track. Need to find that one.
As you can see, don't get me started on the racing stuff. <g> It's the only thing I'm even more passionate about than online message boards.
That does make a lot of sense. I remember someone once saying that once you felt you had complete control of your motorcycle and that you can just whip it around like a toy, it's time to get a more powerful one before you get yourself killed on that one.
And I remember seeing a Mustang at the track once that was making about 500 horses, and it worked against him because at first he was using every bit of that power on the straights, only to find out they don't *make* brakes that can scrub off that kind of momentum repeatedly without going away.
Nebraska or Iowa.
I was thinking GN's only came in black, but my recollection (which might be flawed) was that his was white, like his hearse.
Back in the BBS days, I encountered a SysOp who drove a hearse as a daily driver.
So, what were they?
Much of http://www.funphone.com/technology.html, including all the last section ("I only have a 14 inch monitor..."), and I'm not gonna tell you which part of the Wiley B site, poopy-head. <g>
By the way, if you ever need a sponsor for your racing activities, I know of a certain brokerage that just might be willing to plaster their ads all over your car, including the windshield.
Still mad at them, eh? LOL
Oh, and how are your webnodes? Got traffic?
None of your bidness.
But I fell for that one for about a minute. FunPhone was a great red herring and I wasn't on the lookout for another. I was busily trying to figure out how on earth someone would get paid for ownership of part of the backbone when I reached the part about them being located in "Safety Harbor, FL" and decided to re-read it. <g>
I agree with you that he's extremely funny. And that whole FBN thing was hilarious, and educational.
Can you pick out my contributions to FunPhone and the Wiley B site?
Reading through all those links again. The horoscope for Taurus on the Silicon Enquirer site never fails to bust me up. And it's such a subtle inside joke. Remember why that horoscope's funny?
If the underpinnings are up to the task, you really should consider taking that car to a local Drivers' School. An experienced instructor teaches you how to herd it around the track safely and you can likely solo in it, too. I've been to over a dozen of them and every one of them has been a blast.
BMW and Porsche clubs have them the most often out here.
To clear the air on some of this speculation about multiple accounts, if I find that someone is using multiple accounts, one or both accounts is terminated. I've already had to do it. This is one of those issues that's very black and white with me.
So, while I likely won't directly tell someone whether or not their suspicions are confirmed regarding multiple accounts, I check each and every instance where I or someone else suspects it, and if they're still posting, it's a very safe assumption they're not the same person.
And the suspicions about VC/RB/Lola have been brought up to me before, so it should be noteworthy that all 3 accounts are still posting.
Also, as an aside, I've seen a number of what I would consider obscene references in here. I'll leave the handling of those posts to Matt's discretion since he's the CoB here and I'd just as soon not get too involved in this one.
Was it you that was labeled unfunny and boring? I thought it was cOUSIN SHORTY. Who is, bar none, the funniest person I've encountered online.
BTW, the significance of the "XIV" on that other page didn't hit me until half an hour later, resulting in my workshop helpers wondering why I was suddenly laughing again for no reason, as they backed away 3 paces as they seem to do so often.
Should be working on that building again today, but the manlift broke and now I get to waste a perfectly beautiful working day repairing that darned thing. As soon as I get caught up here.
Am I going to have to create a Chevy vs Ford thread?
Actually, I wish someone would. Or at least a thread where us motorheads can talk about that passion.
At face value that might seem to go against a previous post of mine where I said I wanted the site to be first and foremost a stock discussion site. It's not the non-stock stuff as a whole I want to keep a huge lid on (just somehwat of a lid); it's the sniping kinda threads and the threads whose participants never engage in market-related discussion anywhere.
I want only people posting who are interested in the market, rather than using it as a generic chat site, but I don't expect those people to be 100% interested in stocks by a long shot.
Non-stock threads that give the community a place to engage in friendly banter are good for the community. Let's us learn more about each other as people behind the names and gives us a place to talk about other things with our friends without filling up stock threads with off-topic stuff. Helps keep the signal/noise ratio very high in the stock threads.
BTW, 4 Fords here and 3 GM products, one of which runs. <g> Only one Mopar, but it's a sweetie.
We call it "Truckzilla".
"Oh no. There goes KC Mo. Go, go Truckzilla."
On the first post, I've discussed such a feature publicly at least once and privately a number of times.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=74686
On the second post, our intention is for this to be a stock talk site first and foremost. One of the problems I see with another site is the incredibly large percentage of volume on it dedicated not only to non-stock discussion, but large, active threads used primarily for sniping at other threads or other philosophies or just other groups of people. I don't want those kinds of threads here, even if they meant millions of clicks per day.
Clicks are nice, but not if they come at the cost of quality.
Users agreeing not to include libel in their posts as a condition of using this site does not empower you to determine what is and isn't libel and to delete what you decide is libel.
If you're not comfortable with that, then you need to step down from the role of chairman in any thread.
Do not delete posts based solely on your opinion of them being libelous. You have it in writing.
Nice truck and trailer! There's something blocking part of the view, though. <g>
I've seen that pic before but thought it was a larger version. Can't tell what the car is. Care to enlighten us?
The track guys I hang with prefer to have their track car and tow vehicle be from the same manufacturer when possible. I caught plenty of grief when I was pulling the Mustang to the track with a Suburban. Now I use a real truck, like yours.
One of the greatest track-car/tow-vehicle combos I ever saw belonged to a guy who was running a Buick Grand National on the track. Buick trucks are a bit hard to come by, so this guy was using a Buick hearse. Same color as the GN.
http://www.sibob.com/siblings.jpg