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question, Tex
Let's assume Cisco's claim is nonsense, i.e, can't stop Apple from using the name iPhone. How is Apple helped by using that name when others would seem free to use the name also for any new phones? If the name becomes generic, why would Apple want to use it to distinguish its product?
I don't get at all why Apple just doesn't call it the "Apple logo" phone or almost anything else that creative minds can come up with. The only thing that makes sense to me is that Apple is sandbagging, and believes it can actually win a TM fight, and stop everyone else from using the name iPhone. My gut tells me that the chances of that are slim to none, but I don't have any expertise in this area at all.
I also don't get AAPL dropping with this afternoon's earnings either. Surely all the excellent numbers reported weren't factored into the price before today.
I'm still very long and strong this stock. GO AAPL!!
I like the sell-off today
I think it augurs well for big numbers later this afternoon.
"From my mac to the market god's ears" :<0
Mac System Status shows
this problem has been going on for a long time. Is this typical of mail servers generally, or does mac mail really suck?
It shows:
System status (last 30 days)
01/15/2007
3% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 45 minutes.
01/11/2007
2% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 2 hours.
01/10/2007
3% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 1 hour.
01/08/2007
Email was slow for 5 hours for some .Mac Members.
01/07/2007
2% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 4 hours.
01/05/2007
4% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 48 hours.
12/25/2006
3% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 30 minutes.
12/21/2006
3% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 30 minutes.
12/20/2006
3% of members experienced difficulties with .Mac Mail for 40 minutes.
How long has MAIL been down?
Apple says on the support site, it affects 4% of acccounts
Webmail says "unavailable". Once before, about two or three days ago, it happened but went away within a few hours or so. Any thoughts? Anyone else affected?
lack of tactile feedback on blind dialing?
Why can't the numbers dialed "speak" as feedback?
Speaking of the word "dialing" when it comes to phones,it's fascinating that the word is now quaint with the advent of push button phones.Maybe with the new phone, a new word will become fashionable for getting the phone number you want, and Apple will get identified with it, like "toning" or......
tomm, gaming possibilities seem endless.
The intuitive eye/hand co-ordination advantages could open a whole new arena of games....and graphic art apps as well....even finger painting for kiddies of all ages...wowza indeed !!
Tex, all of that may be true.
But I still feel that Apple allowing the negotiations to go to this point where their marketing blitz is just starting, is hard to understand. Months ago, a decision should have been made to either work it out with Cisco, go to the mat, or change the name. Maybe Apple's desire to keep the whole project secret got in the way of cleaning up the issue beforehand.
As to damages, I think Cisco's position would be to get an injunction before they suffered any real damages in the future. Having said that, I have no idea how strong Cisco's legal position on the trademark really is.
Blue, within about an hour
in the afterhours market, AAPL reversed about a point.
I don't think the name is that important either, but it may have a deflating effect in tomorrow's market. It won't take much to take some of the air out of the balloon of the last two days. Apple surely looks stupid for letting the negotiations with Cisco take this long to this point in time. Now, Cisco has the company over a barrel which can't help our position.
McNeil/Lehrer has a special segment on the phone right this moment.
BTW, if they go with AppleCore or sumthin, I may sue :)
hello halo
If most people agree that the iPod produced a significant (and still growing) halo for the mac platform, the possibilities for the iPhone halo effect on the mac are huge.
After all, it's a versatile "micromac" device, cross-platformed and synced through iTunes, brilliantly showcasing OSX and what the macintosh experience is all about.
I can't wait to see someone do the artwork for this Trojan horse in the iPhone form factor residing in Windoze machines all over.
"we're only talking about the mac today"
This was the way the macrumors feed reported Steve's words at the keynote, which led many to thinking, "What, no iPhone announcement?"
I watched the keynote last night and Steve's actual words were more like, "we're not going to talk about the mac today".
IMO this head fake is what caused AAPL to drop two fast points yesterday before it started the dramatic climb back. If you look at yesterday's chart, the two point dip lasted all of about 20 minutes.
Incredible how volatile AAPL is lately. Remember the flap about iTunes sales falling, about two weeks ago, which now seems like ancient history.
Caution to the weak of mind or heart: take Dramamine for the rollercoaster ride ahead.
Re iPhone
Lots of commentary on the web about the phone pricing putting the thing into the elite high end category. This would make the available market much smaller than the billion or so mobile phone users, the majority of which pay little or nothing up front for their phones. Many of those folks buy phones and services to make calls, and consider the extra features like cameras to be frills that are nice and fun, but won't pay much for them.
Which brings me to this thought: will Apple bring out a less expensive unit for the masses sooner or later? For sure, its heavily patented and exciting touch screen will be on upcoming iPods. When will it be on a cheaper phone? There's millions of people around the world who could care less about syncing with a computer address list etc, maybe don't even have a computer, but would love the new cool user interface on the phone and the music. How long before Apple goes after that market?
Thanks, spitsong
I knew it was you that made the observation about Steve and his family being there, and what it might mean.
Frankly, my great respect for your trading record spooked me a lot. After the fast two point drop which followed, I thought, son of a gun, PT sure has the guts to pull the trigger, maybe he's right. Then while a few of us were seemingly quite unnerved, owlears made what I considered her astute comment that Steve wouldn't pick this moment to grandstand his retirement.
Sorry you cut your gains, but knowing you, you'll make it back another day. :<)
Being in a thankful mood,
I want to thank "owlears" for her thoughtful comment earlier today in another forum. When people were speculating that today Steve brought his family to the keynote to announce his retirement, she said she doubted he would do such a dumb grandstand move at that auspicious time (if he even is thinking about retirement). What a bummer that would have been! I must say I had a moment of fear before she brought me back to sanity,i.e., it made no sense.
I've often said that I am long AAPL for the foreseeable future EXCEPT if I thought he would quit, retire, get sick, or...get pushed out by the options backdating thingie. So, I stayed long and it's been quite a day.
Blue, we'll have to see what it means
but how could a company give you $960 service plus the phone for $499? I think more likely would be the typical subsidy, making the phone a bit less expensive, if you sign for two years, no?
KCMW, how I'd love to see Sir Paul
promoting the new "must have" gadget.
With the major PR blitzkreig that "Apple,Inc" will surely put on for the gadget,(and the dangerous new legal ground Apple is on with the name change so close to Apple Corp), how could this be playing out without Steve and the Beatles having a deal already in the can?
Has this been posted here yet? It's awesome.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/ipod/
good pcworld article on iPhone
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128474-c,tradeshows/article.html
Jim, I would think a 2 yr contract
can't be included in the price, more likely required to buy the phone. But that makes the phone really pricey and no subsidy.
I'd like to see the fine print on it
"LUCK BE A LADY"
Bootz, Last night all I got was the little square that I've seen in the past when I screwed up uploading one of my own pics onto this site. Go figger.
Here's my take on your FUN pic, and your bold new AAPL play. For the sake of all us longs this week.
"LUCK BE A LADY"
Bootz, the pic from your mac.com site
made with your casio from your hip pocket
never made it to your post.
eye-popping stuff, dilleet
I'm not equipped to judge if "iSync on Steroids" is the key to Apple success with an iPhone, but the article dramatically opened my eyes about what such a phone could be, connected to a mac. The kicker tho, as the authors allude, is how could it possibly have that functionality connected to an "iLifeless" Windows machine.
It might lead Apple to bring it out initially only for the mac user base, leaving the larger Windows market potential for a later time, as they did with the iPod. However, it might be another good motivator for pc switching to mac.
Apple without Jobs- a balanced view?
MarketWatch
http://tinyurl.com/yae2w9
which side do you like, dilleet? em.
Pogue on Vista
Reading Pogue's complete article in the NY Times on Vista is much less snide and cutesie than the video alone. The conclusion: Vista may have copied lots of OSX, may be quite late in coming, but it may just have saved MSFT's bacon.
David Pogue is not one who's been known for carrying MSFT's water in the past, but the article looked at as a whole, makes Vista look very solid. Not everyone will run out and buy it for lots of reasons, including cost and the horsepower it takes to run well on older pc's, but it's going to be in every new pc sold.(polls suggest that it will be a small percentage of present pc owners who will switch unless they buy new pc's)
But whether it's a lot of knock-off of OSX or not, it's not legally actionable based on what he's written (and Apple's old pretty unsuccessful attempt to sue MSFT for Windows knocking off its pre-Unix OS in the past). Also, IMO, very few, if any, potential Vista customers will care a hoot that Windows is a knock-off of Tiger. They will only care that it's good looking, much easier to use than older Windows incarnations, AND it seems to have solved much of the horrible security, spyware, virus problems at least for the moment.
My concern as an AAPL shareholder and mac lover: it just may inhibit the growing migration to mac from the pc world, unless Leopard blows it away, which may now be hard to do.
Tex, no problems here, but lango recommends
"A trip to Tools => My Ignores, and choosing to turn off the "Replies to Ignored People Hidden" feature, will enable him to go blissfully about his iHub experience without seeing my posts, but still able to see BlueDjinn's responses to my posts."
"Ripping" may be killing iTunes sales
but "Jack the Ripper" is back killing British prostitutes.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061213/ts_nm/britain_prostitutes_dc_4
I've always thought "ripping" was a bad choice of words for the "process of copying the audio or video data from one media form, such as Digital Versatile Disc (DVD) or Compact Disc (CD), to a hard disk."
The word has the connotation of something violent and/or illegal like something being "ripped off".
Nice pre-market pop
Morgan Stanley raised its price target for Apple this morning. Hopefully, this will turn this ship around from recent performance.
AAPL has always been such a high beta head game. With outstanding season numbers expected for mac and iPod sales, how significant is the speculation on declines in iTunes sales? What does it say, if anything, about the future of iTV downloads, etc?
tomm, an amazing place eom.
Any news on AAPL?
After trading rather flat for several days, it's dipped rather sharply two days running. Theories, thoughts?
OT- Ray Charles, Jerry Lee Lewis and...
Fats Domino (with Keith Richards) in a 7 minute jam on video that smokes
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wgu_rcharles-jllewis-fdomino_
OT- The day the music died
Pam divorcing Kid Rock
Surfer dudes up and down the coast go into mourning.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/16109456.htm
Call it the "Lovely Rita", annie
with invisibly small wi-fi earphones (no wires)
so you don't have to do old cover art again
Your demographic is suspect.
Wuz the surf up that day, dude?
Lots of oldies aren't high on the charts, but they just keep selling and ...selling...
Big Boys Step Up to the Plate
perhaps, tomm, perhaps ...
even big boys can get crushed by fast-moving freight trains
Jump on board or...
stay out of the way !
Stay long and strong
(at least til after xmas)
º<)
Thanks for the thoughts, lango
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL
Drive and travel safely
Flying high w/o a parachute
Is this just smoke and mirrors, or are the numbers coming out somewhere showing a gangbusters xmas?
For sure, the "zune has failed" message out there is helping
OT- "schm reduplication"
Can you believe it? Harvard and MIT guys actually study the phenomenon they call "schm reduplication"
http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/dm/shm/
Take the survey
http://survey.net.nz/survey.php?d6c4d7030400be50ff9a56a9ab6bacde
The only thing I can say is Harvard-schmarvard
Have a nice holiday!
That's a hell of a run, happydog
I bought in Mar '98