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Woody
""I bought the P and Ks because of you personally.""
IS that intended as a SLAM I certainly hope not,and I still say they get paid and you must think so as well or you'd have taken me up on my offer, OR YA THINK THERE IS A CHANCE
YEPPERS HOPEFULLY
""• Hopefully, these shares are coming soon to a timely-signed-released account near YOU
FRED
I am here till whenever and aint going no where but YOU YOURSELF SAID,, DOJ ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SETTLES
ANd SOrry I still say this settles so OL JOE CAN GET HIS CUT before he is booted out the door
Many were in that position as well, AS FOR ME I have just refused to inject anymore hard earned money into the markets for some time now.
I WILL EITHER make money on what I have in it at this point or I won't, my stubbornness has cost me in this instance but, holding to my pledge, sort of damned if I do damned if I don't though
FRED
THe very reason they brought the DOJ into this debacle imho is IS IS just because of this, as it doesn't then taint the FDICKs rep of NOT
"".the DOJ always, always, always...................SETTLES ANTITRUST CASES."""
FRED I know ya want to hang for another 5 yrs but , IMHO THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.
THe boy on the way out the door is gonna want some pocket change to live on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS SETTLES so he gets his piece of the pie.
The lights seem pretty bright to me as COOP has held it's recent gains very well, at least up to this point
LARGE GREEN
""Some of us has told you this for years but now you want people to think this is your idea?""
That is akin to US as well saying that there will need to be NEW COMMONS ISSUED to correct the share structure
AND LOW AND BEHOLD now he is also NOW SUGGESTING the same.............................After all of these years
LG
This is what the COURTS and all the lawyers told us
""All investors have to have to participate are TIMELY SIGNED RELEASES by March of year 2012 but YOY already know this or should!""
You either elected to participate by signing releases or you get nothing
And yes HE HAS HAD ANOTHER LIGHT BULB MOMENT, now let's see how long it take for the BULB to go out like the last light bulbl moment he had several yrs ago.
But LG you have to KNOW AZ KNEW ALL ALONG but just wasn't telling us like XXXX, now this new turn is HILARIOUS to say the least
AZ
The only BIG PROBLEM with this and your statement now for yrs was that AYA held up our distribution, WELLLLL OL PARD how many years has it been( 4 or 5 yrs) since her court cases?????????? SO SHE DIDN'T HOLD UP ANYTHING or disrupt anything DID SHE
""attempting to disrupt WMI's Reorganizational Court Approved Plan ? ? ... clinched it all ..""
I'll suggest we wait and SEE JUST what that 1% is gonna cost P/K legacy holders here in the long run.
AND ESPECIALLY when that should have come from CLASS 22 which had the ONLY DILUTION factor on it and NOT THE P's nor K's
ANd aint it funny that that STIPULATION was the ONLY ONE out of some 49 that JUST NEVER MAD IT TO THE JUDGES DESK and was NEVER SIGNED OFF ON BY THE JUDGE
THINGS THAT MAKE YA GO HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
AZ
"COOP does NOT represent the entire estate'"
That clears up a little, but SOrry CHARLIE the 75/25 still imho pertains to THE OTHER PART OF THE ESTATE WHICH WE CALL LEGACY
AZ
""" There Is A Third """Private Rights Offering"""" Coming On The Horizon' ~
I know at least 3 of us that have been saying this for years on end
HMMMMMMMMMM now I wonder where you have heard that now for well over 4 yrs, OH but you already knew it right and just weren't gonna tell anyone RIGHT
AZ
""Good Luck to Everyone that has maintained their ownership of their WMI Holding Company's 2012' Reorganization's ... Released Common Shares ! ! ... wamuq's ... the Released P's are and continue to be, connected to the WMI / to the WMIH Preferred Managing Sub'
SO now you're suggesting that ONLY THOSE that retained their original RELEASED COMMONS shares and P's will get anything , and that the 8K that was put out was in fact a lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW that is gonna be a VERY BAD SITUATION for someone for FILING A FALSE 8K WITH THE SEC
""" TO QUELL MESSAGE BOARD CHATTER the payout matrix WILL BE AS STATED
75% FOR PREFERRED ""EQUITY"" and 25% for common equity on any and all possible payouts BOBOPHRASED
OK SO WHICH IS IT ??????? BELIEVE THEM OR NOT
Remember as you have said over the years ""THE ONLY THINGs THAT YOU CAN BELIEVE are FILINGS FROM THE COMPANY
FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP TOOOOOOOO FUNNY CACTUS
This is a rich environment for "" THE PERFECT STORM"" to hit the markets, thunk about it !
DJI been popping all time highs, COOP popping all time highs, yet ya have foreclosures on the rise and inflation out the YAHOO, but the MARKET ACTS LIKE ALL IS WELLLLLLLLLLLL.
At the same time over the last 6 months we hear of DA BOYZ going to cash and selling stocks............................. COOP shouldn't have a problem as they only service loans and that servicing will still be needed AND as banks fold their portfolio's will be being sold off and that bears well for COOP as well and probably why the forward guidance that they will hit/ top a trillion in the coming year
ALSO why they WON'T BE SELLING XOME
TICK TOCK IT IS COMING
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
All though I said this was coming I was POO POO'd off that the economy was in great shape, WELL IT HAS STARTED
Some states are handling the problem better than others, which is to be expected, but the simple explanation for this is that more and more people are struggling to afford the cost of living. Biden is ruining people’s lives.
The FOX Business Network reports:
Home foreclosures are soaring nationwide – and rising fastest in these 5 states
Home foreclosures rose again in February as Americans continue to grapple with the ongoing cost-of-living crisis.
That is according to a new report published by real estate data provider ATTOM, which found that there were 32,938 properties in February with foreclosure filings, which includes default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions. That marks an 8% increase from the prior year, although it is down 1% from the previous month.
“The annual uptick in U.S. foreclosure activity hints at shifting dynamics within the housing market,” said ATTOM CEO Rob Barber. “These trends could signify evolving financial landscapes for homeowners, prompting adjustments in market strategies and lending practices.”…
Housing affordability is the worst it has been in decades, thanks to a spike in home prices and mortgage rates. Combined, the two have helped to push the typical salary required nationwide for homeownership up to $106,500 — a stunning 61% increase from the $59,000 required just four years ago, according to Zillow.
Far to many bought houses to the very edge of what they could afford because of low interest rates, b.ut what they did NOT TAKE into consideration was the issue of inflation or the costs of maintaining a much large home. Then couple on the rises we have all seen in taxes dues to higher valuations the same is true with insurance costs, gas bill, electric bills, repair bills
This is why I suggested that going into a time where foreclosure are getting ready to ramp up, COOP WILL NOT sell XOME,
1. I do not think they have control of it(own it) or have been told NOT TO SELL IT
2. Going into a climate of coming foreclosure it would be a idiotic thing to do as it would become very useful and a profit maker for COOP
EDITED
I took all political comments out of the article
MATTERS LOTS TO ME as I honestly want NOTHING TO DO WITH JPMC since THEY ORCHESTRATED THE TAKE DOWN of WMI with their 10 HORSEMEN the employed to buy WMI and when WMI wouldn't sell, THEY ALL IMHO WITHDREW funds to cause the """RUN ON THE BANK""" and that my friend is easy enough to prove. YET HMMMMMMMMMMMMM NOBOSY even looked at it as it was a HANDS OFF SUBJECT
NOW ifin you want to be in bed with the DEVIL FOR A DOLLAR, then WHORE YOURSELF AWAY.
ME I HAVE MORE SCRUPLE than that............................ANd ifin we get JPM stock for what they took, I will wait for the sell off and then dump it all
PLUS I STILL say that JPMC can NOT acquire the REORG'd COMPANY
They can only buy or PAY FOR what they should not have obtained from the FDIC
AND I SAY IT WILL BE WMI not JPM
AZ
Just as I have been saying for some time the GRANPARENT has not given permission and I seriously do NOT expect them to, ESPECIALLY when the GRAND PARENT backed imho the money to buy NSM
TIME WILL TELL and so far TIME HAS SAID,, IT AINT GONNA BE SOLD, now one has to ask WHY has it not been sold yet !!!
DO they OWN IT ? is it shown on the books at 2 bill in value as has CONtinually been suggested here ?
THINGS THAT MAKE YA GO HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I will still lay ODDS IT IS NEVER SOLD, at least buy COOP since I don't think they have control of it to sell it or it would have been shown on that books at 2 bill $$
UPTICK thanks for the clown face as it tells me I STRUCK a NERVE
FRED
FDICK MOLE, not with the disdain I have for them not hardly, but whatever change the subject
For years now I have suggested that the market will hit all time highs as will COOP right before there is a distribution of shares, thus allowing the shorts to short COOP at its ALL TIME HIGHS right before the share issuance causing dilution.......
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ARE WE GETTING CLOSE
NEW HIGH 78.19
Fred
You have also on multiple occasions said he had the right to do this and it could not be challenged, as I have suggested both of this things to be done over the years and you have continually said they can not happen.......... SO what has changed? I'm just asking not slamming you but, WHAT HAS CHANGE that makes it possible today when it hasn't been for years.. SOrry but I am cornfused here
""".and sue Guy and challenge "best interest" decisions..""".
NEW ALL TIME HIGH PRINTED $77.62
Fred
I thought you have said multiple times this was water under the bridge and couldn't take place
""or we revive UWBI, as a successor, vs OCC on the unlawful seizure of our bank...........we actually request standing and then revive or re-instate the appeal of judge amy's SJ.........easy............ ""
$77 printed all tie new high
Since I posted the question I have been on with CHUCKEY and here is the ANSWER I WAS GIVEN by their legal and research depts...
FORM 4's ONLY REFLECT what an officer has purchased AS A CORP OFFICER since he became an officer OF THE CORP, NOT ANY OF THE SHARES he previously held and purchased PRIOR TO becoming an officer of the corp. AND any shares he MAY have bought before becoming an officer are NOT REPORTED IN HIS AGGREGATE HOLDINGs shown in a form 4 filing
SO we have no idea if he did or did NOT hold prior or possibly buy in the 4-7$ range or not
DJI JUST ANOTHER ALL TIME HIGH................................BUT WE HAVE NOT YET CLOSED
Wild with as bad as stuff is in the economy
REALITY in tow then, do we know he didn't or would he be required to report ALL of his holdings or just what he has purchased and holds since he became an officer of the corp.
Just an interesting ? that I for one do not know the answer too, but gonna do some looking into it
Fred
I'm just saying there are calculated risks one may take BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, but then comes the word CALCULATED and is it worth taking a chance on.
IF in fact is it 100's of billions in damages, the number are just to HIGH TO TAKE A CALCULATED RISK on imho......
The reason being is that it is ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE to CALCULATE what 12 people in a jury box will do.
NOW FOR THE MOST PART Jurors tend to go against big CORP BULLIES and in BIGLY amounts of money and all know that INCLUDING UBS AND SONTERO, sort of hung before they even get into the court room.
MY WAG is this like yours THEY SETTLE, only question is when, but again calculated risk says they don't even wanna get close to depos or sitting on the stand.........
Let's hope we are correct, yet lets hope they make it a large settlement which again I feel they would to keep it away from an AVG JOE SIXPACK JURY and their possible decision or outcome
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM'
"" LOL' ... Yep, and COOP's New President ?, Mike Weinbach ? ... Could Have Simply Bought 17,000 COOP commons at $5.00 to $7.00 pps (ish) ... NOT' SO VERY LONG AGO' ... LOL' ~"""
DO we know that he did or didn't ???????
Do his holdings have to be disclosed or reported in his total holdings, have to reflect or disclose what he what he MIGHT HAVE DONE PRIOR when he was just AVG JOE SIXPACK as well or only what he has done as a CORP OFFICER ???????
Just asking
HEHEHE shake someone else's trailer, I don't owe a dime to anyone, but you KNOW that as well
UBS and SONTERO are on a very slippery slope, like a flat tin roof coated with olive oil
And really don't think they will take the chance pard it makes ZERO SENSE
NOBODY gonna sit on a witness stand at the HAGUE ""THE WORLD COURT""
HEHEHEH
""I see at some point in time in the future, where there will be a MARKET CRASH and LEH, FANNY and FREDDIE and WMI join forces""
Been said for yrs around here.
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW the big BIG question is, WHOM DO THEY JOIN FORCES WITH ???????????
COOP or WMI, that I consider ""IS IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE HOLD""
For some reason I still say the NSM/WMIH MERGER IS NOT COMPLETED YET( NOT HAVING SOLD XOME to date), no logical explanation for my feelings, just a GUT THING
That runs along with the my position on ""THE ADMINISTRATIVE HOLD"" that I also hove no explanation for short of something just doesn't seem complete here and the lack of any distributions over all of this have yet to happen, yet I do believe they will take place,
SOMETHING OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW has yet to take place,, """THE TRIGGER""" action to bring this all together
ALL imho
Would have never thought YOU WERE A TRAVELING MAN, your personality doesn't fit the mold.......
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I believe all we have ever dealt with here is ""WHAT IF's"" isn't it?
We have been mushrooms now for 16 yrs(at least me) in the dark and fed CHIT from all sides
LG
This also imho puts commons back to the position they should hold compared to what they held originally of 51% or very very close to it, which imho is what a true reorg is supposed to do......................
Fred
Your points in this point is the point I have been making by stating THIS WILL NOT GO TO TRIAL, they would be complete IDIOTS to risk being asked to leave or pay 5-10 bill or more if if if they lost.
MAKE NO SENSE and we will never get any to the witness stand imho
I'll suggest now that the GAP FILLED yesterday and it takes news 2-3 days to be digested, tomorrow we hopefully head back to the 2$ area, just my WAG bwthdik
DarkBr
"""""" So unless you bought the hell out of WAMU when it was trading on the pinks in the pennies...., or WMIH when it was trading well under a buck, it was painful"""
I mean seriously why do you think many here held millions of shares before 3/19/2012 and the RV's, since a million was only $10,000 @ .01 or at .05 was $50,000
[color=red]WHICH I MIGHT SUGGEST IS WHERE 97 +% of those on this board BOUGHT, in the PENNIES and prior to 3/19/2012 as you well know few here are pre holders[/color].
I was pre @ $6.47
Got it ty
But still if if ifin 36,000,000 shares come back to commons and they are at current pps of 71$ that SERIOUSLY OFFSETS the .18 does it not or sorry but am I still missing something