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Cassie..maybe you're wrong...
LOL..I knew that would catch your attention...
maybe LL is/was an exec at a "cash poor biotech" company.
http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=EDIG&read=1222288
http://www.thestreet.com/markets/matthewgoldstein/10183074.html
and maybe a few others posting there are part of it.
I've tried but I can't get past the free samples.
nope..
constipated pumper :)
I think they have a lotta of shares yet to go...that on top of Gregs 8000 or so, plus whats' her name the CFO at about 8000/mo.
Olico...Does your first name start with a "E"?
HH..IMO the mid June target was all part of a combined venture of LL and associates including Agora to pump the stock while the lenders were cashing in...nothing more.
I still think EDIG and IFE are a viable product but the economy and airline cash problems are going to delay any share price appreciation for a while.
and don't think LL and crew don't know that.
Raw.....
I'm flabbergasted....
you didn't buy at the low?
TwoMil...What's so funny about this first paragraph?
Looks on the money to me.
Posted by: Cassandra
In reply to: TWOMIL who wrote msg# 69607 Date:5/10/2005 1:18:00 PM
Post #of 69630
TWOMIL: Your role with agoracom in establishing and promoting the EDIG discussion board is well known. Being that Agoracom freely admits that it is nothing but a stock promotion business and does NOT allow balanced discussions on its stock forums, you certainly knew you were creating a pure hype board where participants would be exposed only to every possible good thing and shielded from any possible negative thing. Therefore, I have some questions
Well, maybe we'll get a little action on this one...it's starting to ramp up.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=2210
That was my understanding of their original intent...this plant here is only a pilot plant.
philo....
my view....
they are trying to drive down the share price...who....you know who.
A few longs recently claimed to have bailed out.
How many shares have been traded and why are we still at @.15?
Got any old walleye laying around masking the odor?
thanks olico..
can you comment on how you found out about CXN?
RAW..you sly trader you.
good luck
olico.
I've talked with Trevini and Greg myself. The plant just isn't ready yet...that's why I asked how you knew they could make as much as is required....it can't, at least not yet.
Thanks for your input although it seems you've used someone elses words in your post.
olico, may I ask how you found out about CXN?
Rawnoc..why the big turnaround?
emit...
http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Commentary/1001.html
Who ya gonna believe? A-con? or this group.
Too many "dots" connecting agooracon with shorting and possibly naked shorting EDIG, IMO.
Also, Agora uses only "recognized brokers".
Subject: HRH: I know Mguru
From TWOMIL
PostID 390849 On Tuesday, March 29, 2005 (EST) at 10:28:49 AM
Response To: hotrodhans PostID 390837
I have known Mguru since late 1994. He's an honest stock broker from the San Diego area who has followed e.Digital since 1994. I have no reason to doubt the information he's sharing on this forum though I've not spoken with him in over 9 months on this or other matters.
Good luck to all.
olio..nope, not bashing...I own this stock..ask rawnoc, lol.
Unfortunately, he got me at a much higher PPS.
I'd be very interested if you could get me a total pounds of product they can make in THAT plant only.
Just for my info..thanks.
umm, oh olico...
is this your opinion?
Do you know how much they can produce?
Oh yeah, and they HAVE a plant which CAN produce as much as is needed. And perhaps those old Nestle folks may be coming back around now.....we shall see.
Just checked all the US stocks listed
on Agora...only one looks like it went up according to the charts Agora uses....great record....lol...I see a pattern.
One company of Agoras'
http://www.thermalenergy.com/pdf/press/NR04_08_26.pdf
Do you think EDIG could do this with AGORA instead of listening to LiarLong and ASS.ociates?
Subject: Management Responses to Shareholder Questions
From AGORAtmg
PostID 398681 On Monday, April 25, 2005 (EST) at 4:55:49 PM
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Dear Thermal Energy Investors,
Tim Angus and his staff have taken the time to answer questions that have been posted on our site. This has been a long time coming but Tim and his staff wanted to be as informative as possible for our shareholders
RESPONSE to QUESTIONS DATED MARCH 21, 2005
(Questions are a combination of those posted on Agora and other Bulletin Boards)
Question #1:
“Thermal does not seem to currently see a lot of competition against Flu-Ace. A shareholder seems to have identified a number of companies which offer various heat recovery solutions and which he thinks are in direct competition”.
TMG response to #1:
There are some competitors that would be classified as “heat recovery product suppliers” for the “clean boiler flue gas” market but these products compare poorly to Thermal Energy’s offerings due to their substantially lower heat recovery and heat exchange efficiencies as well as their reduced scalability and less flexible capacity modulation capabilities. Because of these differences, these competing products have limited applications and are used primarily in situations where one heat recovery unit recovers heat from one clean gas boiler at a time to heat or preheat water. These competitor installation sites are also typically of a smaller scale than FLU-ACE® installations.
If one is conversant technically with the capabilities of Thermal Energy and is able to study and evaluate the competitors’ product engineering performance data, literature, and reference sites it would be seen that, from an engineering point-of-view, these products and customer solutions are very different from FLU-ACE in many respects.
By comparison to the above Thermal Energy’s FLU-ACE® solutions are:
• More efficient with 30% to 50% better energy recovery efficiency and yield substantially higher water temperatures (typically 10°F to 20°F hotter), which are suitable for such applications as:
o Process Make-up Water
o Heating
o Boiler Make-up Water Heating
o Process Liquid Heating
o Dryer Make-up Air Heating
o Combustion Air Heating
o Ventilation Make-up Air
o Heating
o Mixed Air Heating
o Perimeter Radiation Heating
o Domestic Hot Water Heating
• More cost effective through higher short- and long-term energy savings
• More adaptable because a single large FLU-ACE® can process flue gases emitted from multiple boilers (usually three or more) on a fully modulating basis
• A distinctive integrated combination of heat recovery with air pollution control in a single FLU-ACE unit
• Fully capable of replacing the entire boiler plant smokestack for environmental purposes
This powerful combination of features, along with Thermal Energy’s wealth of application experience and creative engineering design approach to solving customer problems, gives Thermal Energy a distinct competitive advantage over competing heat recovery product suppliers.
As a result of the competitors limited heat recovery product performance and restricted solutions capabilities; it may be found that none of these competitors have achieved significant “clean hot flue gas market” success in the USA or Canada, and that the oldest listed competitors either cannot or do not rely on only their heat recovery products to sustain their business. In fact, over the past 10 years, some competitors have evolved into “wastewater treatment, water reuse, and water heating manufacturing companies that also still offers a stack economizer product”.
Also, none of the “flue gas heat recovery product suppliers” listed are offering any significant air pollution control through their heat recovery products although some do mention the option of combining their clean gas heat recovery product in series with a separately purchased air pollution control product. In spite of this claim these competitors do not seem to have any such reference installation sites.
As to the comments regarding one of the companies “having a long lead on TMG in the Pulp & Paper industry”; this statement is simply incorrect. From a review and analysis of these companies websites and their case histories, one had a single “district heating boiler flue gas heat recovery” installation in Seattle, Washington, it would seem that this competitor has not yet installed or perhaps only sold one heat recovery system to the pulp and paper industry. This company has only been in business for four years, since 2001, and they appear to be a small regional market player in the Seattle area.
With respect to the comment that “these are just a few of the larger competitors who have been in the business for a long time, there are many more and the number is growing”; we believe this to be incorrect. For the past twenty years, it has always been the case that you could count on one hand the number of “condensing heat recovery product supplier” competitors, and it should be noted that the number of competitors has not grown significantly in that time. Nevertheless, we are fortunate to be involved in a multi billion dollar sector, which is growing rapidly. For this reason, a growing number of competitors is healthy for the industry. As the number of competitors grows, so does the main stream acceptance of our type of solution. We are extremely confident in our ability to outperform competition, therefore overall an increase of competition is welcomed, as it would likely help us to grow our business exponentially.
Since the competitors seem to offer lower-end, less efficient, and limited application type of heat recovery product they do not pose a significant competitive threat for the medium to large scale commercial and institutional heat recovery solution market. This higher end market requires a more comprehensive, more efficient, more scalable, and more economically adaptable solution; one that presents significant advantages over anything the competition can offer. In short, the kind of comprehensive solution that Thermal Energy currently offers and is ideally suited to deliver.
Question #2:
“Although the company has sold one product per year for 18 years and most of them do work (I say most of them because when I was investigating I found that one of the units at Ford does not work and likely never will), there are other companies in the market with much better track records. The word I received was that flueace was overpriced when compared to competitors”.
TMG response to #2:
Thermal Energy has not sold 18 “products” over the past 18 years. What the Company has sold is 18 comprehensive advanced integrated solutions for combined energy recovery and air pollution control over the past 18 years. During this same time frame the Company has also delivered a number of Engineering Analyses to paying customers in diverse market sectors.
To put this in context consider the following:
• Over the past 18 years Thermal Energy has achieved a significant track record of developing and selling advanced technologies in innovatively engineered solutions, which have demonstrated the unique adaptability and broader application of FLU-ACE technologies to a variety of commercial and industrial clean and dirty hot gas processes, for which the heat recovery competitors listed (above) do not have an equivalent competitive offering.
• The stand-alone Engineering Analyses delivered over the past 18 years have included the automotive sector, Pulp and Paper, and a number of other industries, all of which have broadened Thermal Energy’s knowledge and experience base in developing creative and cost effective solutions for a broad spectrum of applications.
• The new President and CEO of Thermal Energy, Tim Angus, was one of the top three Johnson Controls sales executives in North America before joining Thermal Energy in February of 2005 so there is now a stronger emphasis within the organization on both sales and alliance building in aid of new business development.
• Thermal Energy has been restructured under the new management to facilitate the Engineers in accomplishing what they do best, developing and implementing exceptional technologies and customer solutions for energy recovery and air pollution control (and providing sales support as required) while dedicated sales personnel pursue new business and develop new business alliances.
It is evident from the above that Thermal Energy, while challenged regarding sales in the past, has built a strong foundation for new business development and that sales will be a top priority moving forward.
Regarding the comment that “most” of our FLU-ACE installations work; all FLU-ACE installations that were completed under the direction of Thermal Energy do work, and have achieved or surpassed Thermal Energy’s forecasted performance.
With respect to the comment that “one of the units at Ford does not work and likely never will”; Thermal Energy never had the opportunity to complete, commission, or optimize this installation because of a legal dispute with Honeywell Ltd.
In addition, it should be noted that the other two Hybrid FLU-ACE solutions at a separate Ford manufacturing facility (both of which were completed by Thermal Energy) do work as originally predicted and that Ford has stated that they were pleased with the FLU-ACE technology.
With respect to the comment that “there are other companies in the market with much better track records”; this statement is akin to comparing apples to oranges.
Thermal Energy, unlike our competitors, is not selling off the shelf products (heat recovery units, pumps, or other hardware) to someone who has already specified a part to be installed in an existing system. The whole project scope is very different for Thermal Energy.
Thermal Energy provides end-to-end comprehensive engineering and design/build services from the initial analysis to the final commissioning of a fully integrated solution that is custom tailored to the customer’s specific requirements for optimal efficiency and payback. Thermal locates heat sinks, conceptualizes and engineers the solution, sources and specs all components from HVAC hardware to full ductwork and piping distribution networks, custom builds the FLU-ACE® package, arranges licensing and transportation, manages on site construction and installation, and commissions and optimizes the installed integrated system. This is a far more comprehensive and complex deliverable than our competitor’s provide.
As to the comment that “the FLU-ACE was overpriced when compared with the competitors”; the standard or basic FLU-ACE heat recovery product for clean natural gas fired boiler flue gas applications has been slightly higher in initial cost; however, because of the higher heat recovery efficiency and effectiveness, the overall FLU-ACE installed cost per BTU (British Thermal Unit – a measurement for amount of energy gained by a pound of water when its temperature is increased by one degree Fahrenheit) of energy recovered and saved is usually less than the competition. The overall energy dollars saved by the FLU-ACE is higher by 30% to 50% than the competition, and as a result the Cost versus Savings ratio or economic payback of a FLU-ACE solution is often lower or more financially attractive than the Competition even though the Thermal Energy solutions feature the additional benefit of integrated air pollution control.
Question #3:
“It is a bit concerning when you read press releases from the Company stating that they are the only known supplier of pollution control reduction equipment with a payback through energy recovery, when only a little bit of investigation shows that there are several others that have been doing it much longer than TMG”.
TMG response to #3:
Unlike and distinct from the named heat recovery competitors, who do not claim to accomplish both energy recovery and air pollution control with their products; FLU-ACE has been tested and proven to be an air pollution control technology for removing:
• soluble Acid Gases (sulphur dioxide and other sulphur oxides [SOx] & nitrogen dioxide [NO2]),
• Particulate Matter (PM),
• Unburned Hydrocarbons (THC), and,
• a wide variety of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC).
A potential competitor could package their heat recovery product in tandem or series with an add-on air pollution control technology and then attempt to compete with Thermal Energy in the FLU-ACE market. It is unlikely that his type of offering would be as attractive as a FLU-ACE solution to potential customers because the FLU-ACE solution offers a more efficient combined heat recovery and air pollution control capability in one highly cost effective piece of equipment.
Regarding the comment that “TMG does not know its’ competition or does not want to say”; this is untrue. As a public Company, Thermal Energy has an ongoing obligation to perform high-quality due diligence on the Company’s potential competition to facilitate sound strategic planning and to minimize any risk to shareholders.
Question #4:
“The only way they seem to sell anything is through JCI. Which is fine, however, it raises the question about why they can’t seem to sell anything directly, ie when a customer gets a couple of bids from other suppliers?”
TMG response to #4:
The fact is that Thermal Energy sold 10 FLU-ACE® solutions and a number of Engineering Analyses to customers directly during the period from 1987 to 1998 and the move to an alliance-based sales strategy came as a direct result of this first-hand experience. When compared to direct marketing; alliance sales:
• are more cost effective over all,
• put a much larger trained sales force at the Company’s disposal for lead generation,
• give the Company greater credibility in new markets, and,
• allow Thermal Energy to play in a much bigger league than would otherwise be possible.
It was simply a better business development strategy to focus the Company’s limited resources on supporting cooperative sales development efforts through alliances as the most cost effective way to grow revenues for the Company and to better position the Company for entry into the U.S. market. In fact our decision to leverage the tremendous sales resources of partners like Johnson Controls is one of the key factors in differentiating Thermal from our competitors.
Thermal Energy continues to develop new cooperative business partnerships and joint marketing relationships with other complimentary established businesses in North America and elsewhere to extend our sales reach.
Thermal is also working hard to re-introduce direct marketing again through the establishment of a new sales representative network, including our pay for performance agreement with Sinorican International for select non exclusive markets in China, a new potential sales agent relationship with a complimentary partner in Ontario as well as another potential partner in Michigan. Thermal is also now aggressively pursuing new business by meeting directly with many high profile customers. These meetings are being conducted by Tim Angus himself and are exactly in line with Thermal’s growth strategy.
Question #5:
“By the way, most pulp and paper companies who make their own pulp absolutely do have at least one boiler fired on by-product , typically bark based (hogg fuel), or sawdust, etc., and it is free, or close to it depending on your accountant”.
TMG response to #5:
This statement is untrue overall. In fact, most pulp mills are NOT lucky enough to have access to either free or lower cost waste hog fuel as a by-product of their operations.
Only the Kraft type of Bleached Pulping process or an equivalent includes built-in black liquor recovery boilers that can generate steam from combustible waste. The tree debarking operations at these sites usually only create enough fuel from their by-products to generate approximately 25% to 35% of the extra steam required by the mill during the colder months in the fall, winter, and spring seasons.
To cover this waste fuel shortfall in the cooler seasons the mills try to purchase hog fuel or sawdust but the demand exceeds the available supply so that the mills are inevitably forced to purchase higher priced fuels to make up the difference, such as Natural Gas, Fuel Oil No.6, or Coal (mainly in the U.S.).
Kraft Pulp Mills provide an excellent potential large sale application for Hybrid FLU-ACE® solutions, especially considering the fact that one FLU-ACE® installation can handle up to six separate moist process vent or flue gas heat recovery sources.
Thermal Energy has completed a number of paid Engineering Analyses for Pulp & Paper customers and has a high level of sensitivity to the needs of this market sector. Although Thermal Energy has found this market difficult to penetrate through direct marketing in the past, the Company expects that ongoing and new marketing efforts in this sector through cooperative business partners and alliances will be more successful.
It should be noted here that the majority of pulping operations are not of the Kraft type of “Bleached Pulping” process, which is discussed above, or even the more expensive “Chemical Pulp” process. Most pulping operations are of the “Ground Wood Pulping” variety, which uses a mechanical process to grind wood chips into “Newsprint Type Pulp”.
Additionally, for plants where bark and sludge by-products exist, the Thermal value of these by-products can be greatly enhanced through the utilization of drying systems, enabling these plants to reduce the quantity of purchased fuel for operations. Few drying systems exist today, but several of the existing systems available require the input of heat which in the most efficient scenarios should be recovered from somewhere in the plant. FLU-ACE® is arguably the best technology to be married to these drying systems, ultimately supplying the heat required. We are hopeful that we can successfully leverage these type systems in the future in the Pulp and Paper sector.
General Comment:
We would like to apologize for the length of time it has taken to issue this response. The past 2.5 months have been the busiest in the history of Thermal. We have been consumed with management restructuring, cleaning our balance sheet and predominantly business development activities. In addition, we felt the questions posed were excellent and warranted a well thought out and detailed response, involving our entire team. We thank you for your patience, inquisitive questions and continued support and look forward to keeping a steady communication available for you.
Yours Truly,
Tim Angus
President and CEO
E-mail: tim.angus@thermalenergy.com
36 Bentley Avenue, 2nd Floor
Ottawa, ON K2E 6T8
Tel: (613) 723-6776 ext. 207
TwoMill..IMO the word is
manipulate..
not run...such as is the case on Agora.
Freedom of speech isn't in an attorneys vocabulary...look at all the trials...certain evidence isn't allowed at times (it should all be allowed) ...it's generally not in the favor of the bad guys....MJ is a perfect example lately.
What's the first thing an attorney tells you...KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT...sound familiar?
Do they also run the SEC, DTCC, FDA and FTC? Most likely.
ME WAKEUP?
Looks like the scams being exposed are the cause of poorly managed attorneys....more likely, greedy attorneys.
Any idea why NBC and the naked shorting fiasco has been hushed? I'm sure this was 100% caused by attorneys including threats.
but I could be wrong.
JMHO...no one's come up with a reasonable explanation.
You sure won't see anything on the A-Con board about it...at least for very long.
How 'bout Mguru? I know, if you ignore it long enough it should go away.
Say hi to Bill and Hillary for me.
edit: BTW if you get involved with an attorney, you need eight pairs of hands....
four to cover your ass....
the other four to keep your wallet secured.
but to my friend Bob D...an attorney...he's an exception.
TwoMill..
having attorneys monitor a board should tell you something of the character of Agora...would you be talking about liarlong and Ass.ociates?
Attorneys running anything should be suspect IMO.
It's letting the fox run loose in the hen house.
Got any judges in on this too?
What's up with Mguru..friend or foe?
How does pumping hot air B-L fit in?
Same guy?
RR
actually TwoMill keeps his nose clean on Agora...
he has liarlong as the fall guy....2mill just lets loose on the other boards.
Hey.......who called for backup....
did I screammmmmm...Ociffer Down?
my name isn't Cats5 or RichyMitchell....LOL...LOL.
shills?...oh oh...I spelt it wrong! No wonder they didn't know what I was babbling about.
didn't answer the Mguru question, did he...huh?
and BTW..they are down again.
Musta not got paid their 2 g's a month form their friendly CEO's.
and the first post of the day
at Agoroacon is by LiarLong...amazing...lol.
now he's pretending he doesn't know what's going on...too funny.
LL...check out emma...she must be carrying a virus.
What ya think crew...hit 'em with some new aliases?
sricket...
you mean they aren't the only ones...lol.
Boy, you could spend an eternity reading all this stuff...no wonder they all know they can get away with it...
their days are numbered...
once we get rid of these crooks..the company goes broke or it skyrockets...and I'd bail if it did.
Course, we gotta start with the SEC, DTCC and greenspam first.
Civil War?
Twomill...
you'd probably be hard pressed to find a post by me accusing everyone of connecting dots...that's DB, LL and the other yahoos that do that.
What makes good reading is when you pulled Ory and my posts relating to Agora and hedge funds and schills...that opened up a can of worms and lost you some posters....and EDIG some investors.
You guys blew it big time.
How 'bout Mguru.... is stirring up some conflict between you and LL banned?
How can LL and you differ on opinions?
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Cass: a few people I know in other parts of the country can't log on...FYI.
I think there is a rule when the same posters...all six or seven of them continuously post amongst each other the server goes kaplooyee.
Bet LL, BL and DB, deBeer, and Cats are having babies....lol.
;o)
Sabre
all you had to do is question LL once and you're a bad guy...lol...which if I remember correctly you did....nothing major.
Remember how he jumped all over donis' behind...and doni let him get away with it.
doni probably got an email from LL saying to shutup or your booted.
Just like Agora advertises...total control over the forum.
In this case by non other than Liarlong and Associates.
edit:fred, you're probably right on the servers...usually they warn you though.
later dudes and dudettes.
TwoMill
how come you never replied about the Mguru questions?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
'and the evidence for 'Agora tied in with this' is..........."
I'm connecting the dots.
Basso, hedge funds, schills, LL, DB...Agora..your ad explaining how you operate in favor of companies..deleting relevant posts related to Basso, hedge funds and Agora by Ory, myself and a couple of others. Why?
You know, just like liarlong, bl, daboss have been doing...
no solid proof.
Ya see, I happen to know bigger boys than you or Agora that do this...that's how it works....it's just you guys are small time.
see sabre...
you're one of the bad guys too.
:):):)
maybe it's GoSilvers revenge....
that or they really pissed off emit and he went up there to kick some ass.
TwoMill
since the findings of Basso, hedge funds, how they operate and Agora all tied in with this I think it would be very hard to convince anyone otherwise....especially when they made the mistake of pulling all related posts about it.
As for Agora being active, they must have blocked IP's to those they don't want reading it.
IP change time.
we already knew that
:):):)
I'll bet they shut it down
so guys like you don't get a chance to disrupt it..eh..eh!
Too many "bashers" on the weekend.
Too funny.
;o)
you'll like this...lol
Agoracom - The Portal for Public Companies
Monitored stock discussion forums eliminate profanity and bashing to create premier destination for civilized, professional stock discussion. Agora Investor Relations provides public companies with total control of their communications, image ...agoracom.com - 64k - Cached - More from this site
can't believe they admit that...lol.
Hey, It takes a while for some of us.
It must be that lack of minerals in the soil these days.
sinkman...
watch out for that 2 X 4.
Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.
amen brother fred...I have seen a new beginning...yeessssiirrreee!
ya'll just buy as much of this stock as youse all can afford...that would make me happy....very happy.
I'm the new freddy...
start buying this thing...I need the money.
http://www.tradetrek.com/LiveComment/default.asp?symbol=EDIG
I do?...I mean I did?...........
yeah but I'm still working on that grandfathered deal..still phishin'.
thanks C-Mate.
in secret, no one knows of the pics I've got of ol' Matthew.
I'd post 'em but I'd have two women brandishing bobbit tools.
:<)
anyone know of an email like this one to other OTC stocks?
Sure looks like there is shorting of BB stocks after all.
http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=BLYC&read=30169
Hollywood...maybe Fred needs a copy of this.
wonder if he even got one.
HRH
OH OH, freddy...
you musta bought some digger...ah ha!
sucker...lol.
HH..just trying to say it is a very controlled board...
and I used to think chowder was an arrrghole...sorry chowder...I had a post on reserve and tested it...fine..then as soon as the news was printed I couldn't post...that's quick. As far as I know they didn't delete any posts...so what did I violate? BL's sorry little tooter!
Guess they didn't like they comment they could pick it up cheaper...lol.
I was just gonna say time to buy more..... sheesh...whoops!
I take that back.
:):):)