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that would be great. im sitting mostly in cash and i have a list of stocks that I am looking to ad to my current positions. time will tell.
for now I will just watch.
all i see is a lot of hot air on both sides.
I was right. we are right back into the tight range where we should be. no news. no action means no reaction.
eventually we will see what the bod and blackstone are up to sooner or later.
until then let the hot air on both sides continue to be blown. lol
i would also add that they are going after the mid-high price range market for now.
amazon, barnes, and google are trying to get the low end market sub 200 tablets. which they are selling at or below cost in order to generate customers for streaming services and digital media which apple already has a monopoly on.
and of course microsoft is a little late to the party on the high end.
I think they priced the mini just right. but thats just my opinion.
part of me wishes apple drops to the 500 level so i can buy a ton more, but for now im just waiting to see what direction it will go post earnings.
who knows what is afoot other than the bod getting stock options.
just waiting to see what the company and blackstone have lined up.
if your into watching pps movement by 1 share of apple and watch it move all day long. far more entertaining that the pps movement here rock.
it is funny though how the pps in wmih always moves back to where it was. which makes perfect sense until a material event occurs the pps has no reason to move one direction or another. but then again we are not in the land of rational movements or markets.
I think all the wanna be shorts on this board need some waaaa burgers with some french cries.
maybe some cheese with their wine.
the mini ipad is hours away....... earnings shortly after. 1 -2 punch combo and no i dont think people will sell on the news.
but hey i could be wrong and the shorts could make a nice profit. i dont have a lot of skin in this game. its more entertainment than anything at this point.
that makes no sense at all. Im sorry but saying that people who have had the patience to wait what is already 3+years without selling do not care about long term capital gains status is foolish. just saying.
its funny how the hedgies/mm's telegraph there moves prior on the boards then on the quick am dip to try and scoop some before the big buy. lol. look at the volume out of nowhere. yea someone wants us to sell. lol
i think not. my nice stash is staying put forever. nice of them to try though.
much smaller float for them to mess with post bk though.
time is running out for them I agree 100%. one way or another the company will make a move one of these days material event wise.
tried to buy at the lod. of course they move the bid up. crooks. hopefully i can get some before it goes back to the tight .50 trading range. lol
Catz I simply do not see how this persons comments change anything other than the outlandish predictions of "secret" funds.
The LT will still go after people for years to come and hopefully after the H's get paid off the escrow can start getting paid.
The new co has financing for mergers and the M&A firm we hired will facilitate any deal along with NOL utilization.
If anything maybe some people will be brought back to reality and will see the light through the tree's in terms of where the real money is going to be instead of the prediction of some secret under the table deal that has yet to be realized.
I think eventually the LT ----> escrow will be showered with some money eventually but of course this will take time.
I also think we will start to see movement by the company and blackstone soon as the company is free to do a deal where shareholder value can start to be realized.
as with anything patience is a virtue that some on this board clearly do not posses.
thoughts? anyone else feel free to chime in with your own thoughts.
material events always trump charting. just saying.
you only got a few more days to load up prior to earnings and the ipad mini event 2 days later. good luck with that.
lol thats funny stuff. :)
lol. you cant correct stubborn people who think they know what they are talking about. lol.
no thanks. I just hope you know that whatever you post has no effect on the stock one way or another.
They are going to have record breaking sales next quarter and for the next 4 q's with the further global expansion into other markets and that does not even factor in continued computer and tablet sales. then come 2013 apple tv will come out and propel them further.
so have at it haus. Up or down it does not matter. only a means to an end where it will top 1000 next year. down allows for more dollar cost averaging.
It is one thing to be negative on a stock and back up your statements with facts and reasons for reaching a particular conclusion, but its another thing to just make blanket statements. its like peeing in the wind.
nuff said. now back to work. to the ignore user list you go. poof.
the iphone is sold out at 5 different stores i went to upgrade my mothers for her.
I had to order on back order. please put the crack pipe down.
im sorry your under invested, but you missed the boat. market is down and apple will continue to drive higher.
fyi your not fooling anyone.
what do you mean by scaling the percentages down. do you mean dollar cost averaging in terms of buying a long position for the eventual move to 1k pps.
I would like to hear peoples thoughts on a possible split next year and also more increases in the dividend to maybe 2-3%
The next big product in the pipline that jobs had a hand in is the apple tv and some other things. I think the product cycle is going to stay fresh for at least a couple more years.
im not so sure about that. if they blow earnings out of the water and raise foward guidance coupled with the ipad mini conference things can happen quickly.
how does it feel missing the boat ha ha haha .
lol i only own 2 shares. yea im in "deep" lol... dont pretend to know things you do not know. . i will have a lot more soon however for the next leg up. please keep shorting and getting burned.
those numbers have no meaning. see my example.... ohh an fyi we can all click on your name and see your posting history. better get in soon.
1000000 eod 111,111,111 eom.
lol. sure thing buddy. put down the crack pipe. in 12 days they announce the ipad mini.
stock always soars on new products.
also the earnings on iphone sales through 2013 are going to be epic.
this is a 1000 dollar stock. but short it if you like its like playing with fire.
a possible stock split down the road is a good thing. post split you will have more shares and they will continue to trend higher with earnings growth and boosted dividends over time.
wow thats freaking bull. I was sitting above the ask since the open at .49 and now they move it to .50 crooks. Fine gonna sit at the bid and see what happens.
sheesh never ceases to amaze me here in wamu land.
lol I would also add that the ipad mini will be a huge hit and destroy the little market share the kindle fire and the nook have.
Also if the apple tv has integrated facetime it may change home phone communications forever into an easy to use video chat device for those less tech savy. I can see it now. granny can video chat with the grandchildren with the push of a button or by talking to siri.
and then there is the global growth of apple in emerging economies......
I just made my first apple purchase today :) I hope to have more shares soon. People try and fight the tape, but its going 1000 and beyond. maybe another stock spit and I think they will continue to raise the dividend.
It would actually be great if the stock market took a shock dive over the fiscal cliff post election time for a bit so i can load up cheaper. apples p/e multiple shows the stock is underpriced and its earnings growth will continue to rise.
I love the shorts keep doing it cause like a rubber band when you get squeezed out on major moves the stock makes new highs.
well whatever the case may be they have no chance in hell of making me do anything with mine.
Escrow is something that we got until we get paid or not. As far as the new co shares. I just let it sit until something happens. If the hedgies think they can wait me out then they got another thing coming. I have a super comfy chair to relax and wait in.
yes... because hedge funds like to risk reputation and jail time for some pennies. yea thats the ticket....
who says no one is adding after ;)
Im in Bergen County, nj. seems like a lot of us are in the tri-state area.
blah. boring. I am thinking when she writes the opinion she will state the law of the case regarding the corp veil overrules their arguments.
blah now that all the big claims are out of the way. these small turd ones are hanging like dingle berries. the judge needs to brush them aside.
anyways... back to thinking about what the company will have the M&A firm do.
lol. what is this the days of our lives channel? lol the pps sits exactly around where it has for months. If anything the pps is the most stable it has ever been pre and post bk exit.
Been busy. can anyone recall how much this claim amount is for? I dont think the judge will change the law of the case regarding the corp veil. Just one more claim to send into the trash pile.
haha. welcome to the board. You are attempting to tell people who have watched the daily trading pre and post bk on a daily for 4+years that charting rules the day. lol (PLEASE>>> dont insult our intelligence)
If you have witnessed what many of us have then you would be thinking a bit more before you type that. just saying. (or if you knew about the hedge funds, market makers, and collusion of lawyers with them during the case)
Anything is possible, but lets try and stay a bit grounded.
I think rather than discussing pps it might be more productive to talk about the possible capital raise via bonds or pref's into order to facilitate a larger deal. That is if that is the way the board and blackstone wish to proceed.
They could just start out gobbling up a much smaller company and do a larger deal at a later date.
The waiting does get a lot of people on here antsy, but I think whatever material event occurs will happen with no warning like it should.
We know Blackstone is on the case as it were. let them do the job and we will hear about the next step forward when the company releases a public disclosure stating so.
I think its more healthy to talk about the company having organic pps growth through real asset purchases that allow profits to be sheltered by the NOL's rather than just throwing out a pps number that will magically show up one day.
on the other hand the OL theory might be that other way this goes. No one really knows. I suggest everyone take a deep breath. relax and know that whatever is going to happen will and that you or I will have no effect on what will be.
just my opinion of course.
too many cans of diet coke.
everyone needs to relax and watch the hyper inflation show coming soon to a town near you :)
As far as WMIH just relax. take a chill pill. yea were trading, but the next moves blackstone makes on our companies behalf is what im more interested in. the pps will catch up eventually to whatever business developments happen down the road.
just my opinion.
well I want a lot of things in life, but I think the real moola is to be made with the new company. If the LTI pans out well and the waterfall flows down on escrow holders like us. all the better.
I think that is a better way of looking at the current situation going forward.
IMHO. of course.
many people talk about the issuance of pref's for a capital raise, but no one wants to discuss what I brought up in terms of bond issuance. Bonds can be used. just saying.
either way both methods are just a means to an end.
That is possible. I am just glad some people want to go back into discussing the real issues.
Hopefully we will find out what will start to happen soon, but I have a comfy chair and I am willing to wait.
that may be so if one is just focusing on the trading and pps.
I am much more interested in the M&A , Capital raise, NOL utilization and expansion of the company.
In other words the price and volume movement is all well and good, but I am much more interested in Material events of the company going forward.
I brought up the issue earlier today. Many speculate that the authorized pref's would be used in a capital raise to aid in a much larger deal to more rapidly use the NOL's without effecting a change in ownership. I am of the theory that it would be just as easy for them to issue Bonds as well.
I would like to hear peoples thoughts on this? Maybe we can get the board back to talking about the real issues moving forward instead of dwelling on the past and paying mind to those who do not have the patience or stomach for waiting for the material business growth events to occur. This is not aimed at anyone in particular.
I am just tired of seeing the discussion devolve into a 1 liner fest of those who whine about things not happening in the quick time frame they set for themselves. I would much rather go back to the days where we could have a constructive discussion about the company and the future.
Besides the whole bond/pref capital raise issue. I would like to pose this question again.
Why hire Blackstone for M&A if there is not to be any in the future?
Blackstone gets paid when a deal is made. I seriously doubt they would be hired to do a job and not do it when there is easy money to be made. They specialize in big deals and have teams of lawyers and tax experts who have been down the NOL road before.
Further more I would like to ask the good people of this board who can look beyond the daily trading and at the bigger picture. If blackstone is going to do a deal and lets say a capital raise is in the cards. Do you think willingham would announce a deal before its done and all the pieces are in place?
I think people need to understand that the board members have to act in the best interest of the shareholders and that also entails keeping things under wraps until the material event occurs by which they can make the information public.
And finally to all the whining cry babies. Do you actually want us to believe the that the board of directors would hire Blackstone and then just do nothing? Do you actually want us to by into the idea that the people at the helm of the company would sit down and say to each other....... ok we fought like hell for years to get some justice and the new company for the shareholders and we got billions in nol's and one of the largest M&A firms in the world and cash plus possible capital raise potential, but instead of doing something we are just going to sit on our hands and do nothing...
Pullllesee..... I am sorry but it needed to be said once again. Patience is what is needed. Starting or restarting a business is not easy and takes time. Especially when it involves many moving pieces to make it work.
Thoughts?
or am I totally out in left field here?
All in my opinion of course. thanks.