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Racheliese,
Agreed.
I know of personally a prime example where a major went belly up. Another one acquired its assets, but yet another competitor simply hired the engineers and some of the sales and manufacturing personnel and got essentially the same thing for almost free while theother comapny paid millions for drawings and blueprints.
Those people will be available and they don;t really care if the get paid by company X or Y.
You hit it on the head!
I guess the description of a healthy business is where I would I like to see the separation of "prospects" for potential future revenues, versus the actual condition of the company, which n every case I have looked at acquiring another one has always been based on the health of its current sales volumes and its bottom line.
Good point you made.
Best Regards as always,
micro...
waveduke,
Prospects we agree upon, as I did with Internet. No question that we have PROSPECTS.
As far as being in good shape as a company, an ongoing business, we are in terrible condition.
That is the separation of the two, prospects, and actual condition of the comapny.
I believe we agree!
the best,
micro...
oootommy,
I doubt it.
Financial responsibility I know about. Finances i know about. Health conditions of corporations I know about.
I also know about doing business with the Federal governement, state government amd local governments.
All I have said is that this company is NOT in "the best position as a BUSINESS ever" as it has tried to be portrayed.
It is in HORRIBLE financial straights and has been this way for many quarters. Until that reverses, it will not be in any kind of GOOD position.
WHEN it does reverse itself, if it does, then we have a different scenario, it is simple as that.
If I have to go continuously to to do PIPES in order to get monies to fund my operations or else run out of money, cannot meet payrolls, start losing my employees, have the electric shut off, etc, would you say we were in great shape? How about the best position ever as a business?
OR
Would you rather have six months of capital in the bank with no worry about your payrolls so you can concentrate on increasing your markt shares and broaden your markets and customer base as well as volumes?
Which would you rather be in? Which is better?
The MAYBE, POSSIBLY, COULD BE, WHAT IF, scenarios are not things ANYBODY can count on.
Sure we could possibly maybe someday make the big sale. I have been waiting for that to happen for 10 plus years now and every year I hear the same thng, except now it is every quarter when it doesn't happen. But wait till next quarter, The market wasn't ready but next quarter ought to be a hum dinger!
Are we going to financially make it to next quarter? Do you know that for sure? I mean know, not assume or guess.
This is why my question to Snackman about his source or why he makes that statement about placement at market value.
What makes you thnk so?
I still have not gotten an answer to that yet either in case you did not notice.
So, I would say I am not interested in WAVX's position of ceo and it wouldn;t make one bit of difference anyway if I were.
BR,
micro...
Waveduke,
Surely you are not going to play that game about revenues being at highest levels.
Q2 revenues sucked. They were barely better than Q1's which was a major disappointment as well.
They weren't anywhere close to what all the hype said they would be. They are and were sadly lagging.
Revenues do not mean anything when your OUTGO exceeds your INCOME by more than 3:1
That is called losing money at a very rapid rate.
Where are all the revenues from the Seagate sales? Where did all these big deal makers for us go?
They certainly have not shown up in our bank account.
This notion that a company on the verge of bankruptcy, being forced to look for money in non conventional places just to survive another quarter is not a picture of a business in its best position ever. Itis a picture of a company that is breathing slowly, gasping for air just to try to survive. Hanging onto life by a thread.
TRUE the product portfolio is full of things that MAY or may not, eventually be purchased in large quantities.
But they have to get there first. Not the picture of health and prosperity and "best ever position" that keeps loosely and recklessly being referred to as.
JMHO,
micro...
cosmo,
I agree that the tech is good. No disagreement.
From the healthiness of the company though, it is struggling financially big time. This is not the sign of being in the "best business shape it has ever been in".
If the company does not get or acheive needed monies to fund ongoing operations it won;t matter anyway.
Will you still pose that same analogy if things do not work out according to anticipation and hope?
Some of you really need to take a step back and look at what balance sheets and financials look like from really healthy companies who are in the best business position ever.
Trust me when I tell you they have money to fund operations without PIPING it and very good accounts receivables and cash on hand.
micro...
Snackman,
The question I posed to you had nothing to do with me or my business. I asked WHAT BASIS do you claim for making such an assertion about a placement at market rate. My business experience has nothing to do with it.
micro...
Snackman,
What do you base that statement on?
The other PIPES have not gone that way, and we are in no position of strength to dictate terms. So why do you say that you think there will be a placement at market value and no doscount?
I would GLAD for that to actually happen, but I see no sound basis for it whatsoever.
Can you elaborate please?
Thank you,
micro...
waveduke
Good morning.
I wanted to know how one can say "There is no doubt Wave is in the best position it has ever been from a business perspective."
And then acknowledge this reality in the same paragraph.
"It is both sweet and sour. Unfortunately, without money, you have no business so the sour overwhelms the sweet."
May I please ask whether you own a business?
If so, if you were in that same predicament without money, would you say you were in the best position you have ever been?
The future potential doesn't mean anything if you don't survive to get there.
Why AWK believes there will be a placement at market value is beyond me when the evidence of where we have been forced to go with hat in hand I might add, suggests otherwise, and so we are yet again looking at another PIPE, UNLESS, and it is only a thought, that one of our customers, DELL, for instance, might BUY INTO Wavx.
That would be different.
How likely is it to happen?
Not likely.
I truly do not understand how anyone can state we are in the best business position we have ever been in.
I look at the financials and no money and go if this is the best, I would hate to see the worst.
Can you separate "FUTURE POTENTIAL" from being in the best business position ever"?
The future potential indeed is rich, as outlined by Internet some week ago.
But the current state of the company is bleak. It is gasping for money. Money for operations. Hardly the picture of a healthy company that is in the best business position ever.
Do you see what I am getting at?
Just my opinion on the subject. Sorry for the length.
the best,
micro...
1260
You have made an outstanding and accurate analysis and statement regarding not just small companies, but many companies regrding their pricing of poroducts.
Great observation 1260! Value of something is oten times overlooked and by many feared to be priced accordingly because those in charge are fearful they won;t garner market share and sales.
They fall victim to the "low ball" pricing stratagems believing that with huge numbers they will overcome the excessively underpriced product.
Outstanding point you make indeed.
the best,
micro...
Internet,
I did answer your question and you apparently have chosen to not read what I actually said in two instances now. I see no point in continuing the discussion.
I already stated TWICE I do not disagree with your assessments of the FUTURE POTENTIAL and STRENGTH and would agree that
IF WE GET THERE (the future) I would agree.
THAT is the HOPE and DREAM I have as well, and obviously you too.
The FACT is that we are in an extrememly weak and vulnerable position as a corporation and it is proven by where we need to go in order to aquire ANY amount of financing, otherwise we would not be going there. ANy disagreement there?
I am making a distinction between a company ACTUALLY being in a strong position, versus possibly down the road having the greatest prospects of its existence ever to have the strongest position position for explosive and dynamic growth because of the things you listed.
NOW
versus
LATER.
Today versus Tomorrow. Present financial fact and condition versus future potential.
We have to get to tomortrow before we can realize anyting from it.
Was this clear enough and did you see what the FACTS are?
I am not arguing against your hope, my hope, anyone's hope.
We have to get there first and thepresent state of the finances is as Barney Fife would say "It's a mess".
micro...
Weby
Perception will not pay the bills or cover the payroll checks when the bank account is at less than what the payroll requires to not bounce checks.
Perception not withstanding, employees are not going to work for free.
The world may think this is the next best opportunity for explosive growth and meteoric rise, but any financial analyst looking at our balance sheets will tell you that as far as the company being in a strong position, one is hallucinating.
Again, the prospects that Internet and you stated are for real.
Whether we have enough money to even get out of the driveway and onto the highway to get there is quite another matter altogether.
Distinction between
WHAT IS
and
WHAT COULD BE.
I hope like you do, but as a businessman, I also know that when the money runs out, so does the business, at least in the form that we know it today.
Let's hope for the best!
micro...
INternet,
Why is it that I knew you would take immediate offense?
Your beliefs about FUTURE prospects are no different than mine whatsoever.
The difference is, dealing with corporations, being in strong position is NOT having to scrounge for money just to survive yet another quarter and go begging with hat in hand to the PIPE men yet again.
This is not reperesentative of being in the strongest position ever. This is near collapse so that the company cannot live to fight another day.
All of the things that you said I have no problems at all with. Weby's either, except that we have to survive first in order to get there. That's all.
That is a FACT and it must come BEFORE any of the things that we are hoping for, and HOPE is not a FACT.
Just trying to separate what a STRONG POSITION is for a company versus it prospects if it can get to the point of seeing ANY of those prospects come to pass.
I hope they do as I still am holding ALL my original holdings on this risky investment. I too still dream about the possibilities and see the prospects but that will not do either of us any good unless and until we can get to that point.
Sorry if my pragmatism about company survival has cause consternation. Did not mean to.
micro...
Hi Weby
No disagreement about the prospects and possibilities.
My point is clearly about having the cash to get there.
From that standpoint alone, there is a huge distinction between being in "strong position" and having strong prospects for growth, assuming the company survives its cash woes to get there.
Being in the "strongest position ever" involves having plenty of cash on hand, working capital, or ready access to what a company needs should it need it.
Our last two PIPES were anything but stellar.
This is not an indicator of being in our strongest position ever as a company.
All the rest of what you wrote indicates that IF we survive the realities of rapidly diminishing capital to pay our employees and our payables and can last long enough into that time that our sales and cash flow can take care of those things on their own, then and only then can one breathe a sigh of relief and can say, as you have, and has Internet that we are in the place where the most and strongest ever possibilities exist for the launch of this company in this paradigm shift.
I wouldn;t argue that point with you or Jas or anybody. No question about it.
But strength is far from reality when it comes to the positin of this company. All one need do is read the financials, observe the burn rate and look at the cash flow.
Hardly what anybody would classify as being a position of strength.
It appears that you also, and I am surprised at this, have missed my point, and it was only about separating POSSIBILITIES for growth, from present strength of company.
Hope I have cleared up what I meant and no disrespect intended.
the best,
micro...
Zen
I concur. I still am hoping wishing and dreaming, but the pragmatic side of things is basic and elementary.
If my business was sucking oxygen for cash and gasping for working capital, I would not say that its position was stronger than ever.
The PROSPECTS may be greater than they ever have been, but that isn't saying much when compared to the actual financial results. Funny thing about those stubborn facts, they never seem to go away.
While Internet's hopes and dreams remain strong, as do many of the fine folks here, and looking at the many tentacled directions that wave could "possibly" be involved in, the FACT remains, it is on oxygen and struggling to breathe.
IF it does not get an infusion of cash to continue operations, it will die, just like anyone who can no longer breathe.
This is hard and cold, not popular to say, but the truth.
It also is not an indicator of a strong position.
I am differentiating between what is actually being in a strong position versus having strong future potential, and there is a world of difference between the two.
ANYBODY who has run a company, business, whatever, knows this to be the case.
When you run out of money for daily operations and have no other resources left, you are in deep trouble.
Let's hope that it does not come down to this.
the best,
micro...
Thanks AWK,
That was my understanding of TPM capabilities all along as well, which brings me back to my original question about "guarding or protecting" the data TODAY in light of the fact that this was supposed to happen with the TPM initially, and now it has evolved to not the TPM by itself, but we have added an FDE hard drive solution to that and now we see the coming forh of Intel and ATT, which essentially both these things do what the TPM was originally supposed to, protect unauthorized access into the hard drive by protecting the KEYS in a secured environment.
I know the ATT can wipe a drive from a distance but in essence it still is protecting unauthorized access to data, just like FDE drives.
Just wondering what is gong to get "added" next to acomplish the same thing.
Thanks,
micro...
AWK
So are you saying that in the beginning phases of this that the TPM was not intended to provide secured storage of the keys so bad people could not hack your data?
micro...
Question
I have been quietly reading the interactions about "FRYING" a disk.
Sounds yummy if the right "batter" is used. lol!!!
Seriously, I am not sure what the term "frying" is implying. Is this talking about wiping it clean as in a low level format or literally destroying the disk?
Here is my question.
Since the inception and advent of Trusted and Secured Computing, and TPM's in particular, the BIG marketing scheme was all about the KEYS being safely and securely stored inside the HARDWARE so the bad guys cannot gain access into your hard drive.
Then it was storing everything into encryption, recently with Seagate and soon to be other brands of FDE so that the data is protected inside the hard drive and fully encrypted at all times.
Now we have Intel and ATT technology coming along and now we want to "FRY" a hard drive for protection.
Tell me please, does this really meant that the initial idea of just the TPM wasn't really going to do the job of storing the keys securely so unauthorized folks could not get into your data?
If not, then WHY these other additional and ever evoloving layers to "protect" the data and information that supposedly was protected before?
It just seems that every year it is yet another "thing", that is all about accomplishing th eoriginal goal of securing the hard drive by locking up and protecting the KEYS with the TPM.
The old war cry "can't hack hardware". Remeber this chant?
How many banana peels are there eventually going to be put around the "data" protection when the TPM was supposed to be the thing to do this to begin with?
I am not arguing about Intel's Danbury chip but it just seems yet one more additioanl thing.
Now we have
1. A TPM,
2. Full disk encryption
3. ATT and frying. (I wonder if it is stir fried?)
Does anyone else think like this?
Just curious.
Have a great day!
micro...
Mig
Who or what financial institution would lend them money when they have no means to pay it back? Their financial statements are disasters. No bank imo is going to lend them another 10 million dollars just so they can write it off as a bad debt expense. They have enough of those already from lending money to people who took mortgages on homes that were way out of their price range and now cannot pay their just debts.
A LOAN from a bank or any credible lending institution would be a miracle. If you were a banker, would you lend them anything and expect to get repaid?
Think about it for at least five seconds.
Safe to say I think that route is out.
the best,
micro...
Rider,
I tend to think the enterprises that were bannered so prominently after the ASHM were mostly pilots as well. The revenues sure did not reflect any evidence of seats/upgrades /much of anything being sold after yet another quarter went by.
I have said several times now, most unpopularly, that unless this company gets some CASH on HAND to work with, (known as working capital) it will not survive to see if it even has a chance to get to breakeven, much less top 3 million in sales for one quarter.
Disappointed would be an understatement to describe that quarter's financials.
best regards,
micro...
Question Re: Q2 revenues
Is it just me, or is anyone else remembering the revenues from Q4 versus Q1's dismal disappointment?
These revenues need to be significantly higher. Forget about Q1.
The benchmark should be Q4 and these Q2 revenues, based upon the information gleaned from and expounded by the Wave management, in particular SKS, MUST be close to the 3 Million dollar level if they are to demonstrate and validate all the upbeat and forward statements.
Nobody can say that Seagate has not had a chance to deploy and market the FDE revolution while Dell grew its market share. We have ENTERPRISE customers now, and that was supposed to be the avenue to the promised land.
Disappointment comes sub $2.75 million for me and illustrates to me that all the words that were spoken and are here for verification and documentation, were nothing more than that, words without substance. Again.
We shall see. As Mr. Adams likes to say, "Facts are stubborn things."
the best,
mib
Toro,
You are quite right. The equations have circled the wagons with no direct hits per se.
I too would like to actually be able to verify that myself and have spend numerous times digging around Maxtor's site to pin it down but could not.
The best,
micro...
Alea,
It isn't often you and I speak, but I feel the need to say you posted a very keen observation regarding Amazon.
I agree with that observation and I also think Barge is thinking forwardly looking toward handheld devices which were spoken of as an objective by MS.
Great discussion to both of you.
Thank you,
mib
kiwi
Well, I agree with you on that. Q1 was a nightmare.
Q2 needs and must be in the upper parts between 2.5 - 3 million to show any reasonable growth imo.
In excess of 3 million will be a strong indicator that things are beginning to happen.
As I said to Weby, we will just have to wait and see. Everything else is speculation.
the best to you,
mib
Weby,
I am in your camp on the numbers thing totally.
I also agree with you completely that the old arguments with Barge mainly, and myself, are also moot. Right now, I, like you, and I am sure a whole lot of others would be overjoyed to see just ONE of those two sides do something positive! lol!!!
Until we get those hard facts from the CC, everything else at this point in time doesn't mean much. The numbers will tell the story in hard reality.
Wishing you and your Brooklyn girl the very best,
mib
Good morning Barge!
You write: "Maybe because it's highly polished and technologically advanced Video Player has little or no competition."
Yes, from the articles that have been posted here on this very board, TvTonic has been given stellar reviews and as far as I know, the much more well known streaming portals do not give nearly the same picture quality. I also recall the ease of use and "user friendly" and "instinctive" descriptions being trumpeted by those reviews.
TvTonic can, or at least will, do both, stream and cache.
Let's face it, the movie industry is going to want their content "secured" and unable to be pirated. We all know how that can be and will be done, TPM.
Combined with the same powerful security that protects ID, authenticates and attests for the pc user, all in one convergent space, the living or entertainment room.
Now, IF WAVX can manage to get moving on the ENTERPRISE SIDE closing some LARGE deals and bringing home the BACON into OUR BANK ACCOUNT at the same time or even BEFORE Express can make it's financial contribution(s), we could actually see some significant upsurge in this abysmal SP.
the best,
mib
BArge
Excellent forward thinking imo!
Convergence would logically be the next step, and I also think that to artificially create a "turf war" between the two current means of getting digital bits into the living room is just that, artificial.
How about they are just two methods of doing it and the QUALITY of the picture is up to the viewer's discretion presently as to which way the viewer wants or elects to view that content. Caching for HD quality, streaming for less quality.
The tech is all about converging the internet, the pc, and the television into ONE ENTERTAINMENT ARENA, instead of separate ones.
I agree with your assessment.
the best,
mib
Thanks 24601.
I do appreciate your clarification. I honestly wanted to know if anyone had dissected that article yet. I also was thinking along the lines that it appears that this application from Secude is NOT inside Momentus FDE but a stand alone software program that manages the FDE drive, unlike ETDM which is incorporated with the Momentus.
Have a wonderful remainder of this glorious day!
mib
24601
Thanks. Unfortunately I do not have time to read every post
posted on every wavx board, which is exactly why I put that up and ASKED about it.
Your reply was extremely helpful and explanatory.
Thanks,
mib
Seagate Momentus FDE.2 AND SECUDE
This was an article posted by Snawk which raises some interesting questions in my mind about Seagate's relationship with Wavx. W
For instance, why isn;t Wave's FDE.2 drive management being utilized?
Comments would really be welcomed. Thanks.
Actebis Peacock together with Seagate and SECUDE have today opened a new era in the European hard disk drive market as the first distributor to include hardware FDE disk drives to its portfolio. This provides users with a simple migration path from traditional software-based FDE to more advanced hardware-based Full-Disk Encryption (FDE).
The groundbreaking dual technology solution is a product of the close partnership between Seagate and SECUDE International AG. Swiss SAP Security expert, SECUDE, with its new encryption solution FinallySecure Enterprise v9 manages the hardware-based encryption of Seagate Momentus FDE.2 drives. FinallySecure provides security functions for management, user authentication (PBA) and recovery. In addition, FinallySecure implements a software-based Full Disk Encryption for all legacy systems.
This dual technology approach enables both software and hardware-based Full Disk Encryption. The combination of both technologies under the same user interface and with identical management functions gives businesses the option to encrypt data either with software or hardware-based FDE and provides a smooth migration during the transition to hardware-based FDE. "This hybrid technology guarantees a high level of security, simple installation and administration while also ensuring significant savings in the transition to hardware-integrated encryption", explains René Schaefer, business unit manager at Actebis VAD Peacock.
For Seagate, the combined offering of Momentus FDE.2 hard drives with SECUDE security technologies by Actebis Peacock is the continuation of a long-term co-operation. "Actebis was one of Seagate’s first authorized distributors and we have now been working together for more than 20 years in a very fruitful partnership. We are very happy that Actebis, as an authorized distributor of our Momentus 5400 FDE.2 - part of the Seagate Secure™ portfolio of self-encrypting hard drives
Barge,
Did you forget to mention the labotomy? lol!!!!
Thought I would help you along a little.
My position is that until Wave has self sustaining sales showing on a financial statement, and sufficient cash to eliminate non-ending rounds of financing, I am not going to go out on a limb.
That is the difference in personalities I suppose but call me cautious and reserved.
Delighted to see Booms find. Have no idea if it means anything to us. There is not proof.
Waiting for the Q2 numbers is not helping with no eventful news being reported by the company.
This silence is almost deafening and I believe if there were strong numbers for Q2 they would not, or at least should not wait to make them known imo.
Hope that things do indeed show a decided upturn and breathe new life back into this endless slog......
the best,
mib
Veritas
You simply don't read do you? How many times do I have to tell you that there were TWO people and two only that were called the son of Perdition?
One was Judas and the other the Beast.
It appears you just want to argue. I have demonstrated by scripture what the scripture said about Judas.
You want to add man's reasoning into a God breathed verse.
Is it truly so hard to simply say, yeah mib, you were right about Judas?
Your insults about me believeing in greek gods, and not believeing in repentence for salvation were amazing to say the least. They speak volumes.
Did you read the Baptist Confession of 1642 and 1689?
Did you actually read it??? DO you see the error of your statements as to what Baptists believe?????
I never answered about 666 because that was not the subject.
The subject was whether Judas could have been saved, and you called me everythng except a believer because I said NO, and gave you the scripture to demonstrate it.
Then you wanted to add other things, including opinion about the motive behind Judas hanging himself.
Young man,
I have taught and written about Revelation from beginning to end many many times.
Can ANYONE be absolutely positive about everything we think it is showing? NO!!!!!!!!
Nobody can and you know what? It won't matter. I won;t be there to worry about it so what does it matter?
That is future event AFTER the TRUE Church is taken from the earth.
Are you going to be here???? If not, then quit worrying about it.
Here is another classic line from you.
btw... Judas falling was to fulfill SCRIPTURE.
What was prophecied in scripture?? The amount of 30 pieces of silver, the burial land, one being lost(which implies- he was saved WHICH MEANS A SAVED PERSON CAN FALL FROM GRACE AND GO TO HELL).
Let's see now, where to start......
Let's do the btw.
The Bible does not say anything about Judas falling. The BIble never shows anywhere that Judas was ever saved. He never once called Jesus LORD. Not one time! Does that tell you anything? So where you get that "falling" stuff is beyond eeven Harry Houdini. Smoke and mirrors.
Now, let's post the verse one more time Vertas so you canread it slowly.
John 17: 12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Now, Jesus told the Father that He kept those in HIS hand whom the Father gave HIM.
Let's look at another verse talking about Jesus KEEPING believers.
John 10: 26 - 29
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
When Jesus himself says MY SHEEP, he means ALL who have come to HIM for salvation! HIS SHEEP. The goats will be separated from the sheep.
SOOOOOO, IF ANY and ALL of JESUS' sheep are kept by HIM and NONE are able to pluck them from HIS hand, are you saying JUDAS was ever one of the SHEEP or is Jesus just a LIAR in your estimation?????
Kind of impossible for Judas to have been saved and then "FALL" as you claim.
Scripture is rather inconvenient for someone flying by the seat of their pants isn't it?
Oh, we are dealing with harmony of the scriptures now, something you do not do. Sorry. This is another of those bad Baptist things you railed about.
Your apology about Judas and the ugly things you have said about me will be accepted.
Judas was brought into this world for one purpose and one purpose only. To fulfill the scripture. THe INFALLIBLE WORD of God! Oh, another Baptist principle stated. so sorry.
The scripture says nothing anywhere about Judas "falling" from anything, not even a mule. In order to fall from grace He must have first had it. He never did or else JESUS IS A LIAR according to John 10.
Was Jesus lying Veritas???? Was the account in Matthew just not true? According to Jesus, ANYONE who is of HIS SHEEP (saved) BY HIM. He will never lose out of HIS HAND.
SO, was JUDAS EVER SAVED??????
Can anyone call JESUS LORD except they be saved Veritas????
Understand I am correcting scriptural error on your part so others do not actually think we can throw away the gospel of Matthew and the testimony of Christ.
Also, we want people to read exactly what John 17: 12 actually says, without your opinion added. The WORD does just fine by itself. And it is consistent with CHRIST"S own teaching earlier in Mattew.
ISN'T the HARMONY of SCRIPTURE a wonderful thing? When we quit adding and subtracting our own opinios and let the word speak by itels, and compare the scriptures, it is truly a living breathing masterpiece beyond compare! What God hath wrought!
Okay, I am done with this subject on Judas.
No point in kicking Sovereignty around anymore. Christ obviously is not Sovereign on this board.
Revelation?
Nahh! Just went through the entire book about two years ago. Took a year and a half.
My outlines are being used in over 35 churches nationwide currently brother. Not that they are so great, butrather very easy to read and follow and great for an adult Sunday School format as well.
NOBODY ever agrees on everything Veritas, especially about Revelation. And that is why it is silly to even talk about it on a forum like this.
Pre-trib, mid-trib, post rib. Take your pick and argue from there.
Is Christ honored in bickering?
IS HE being lifted up on high by it or is SHAME and reproach on His name more likely to occur?
Let's be clear.
This is YOUR BOARD.
I was a visitor.
YOU can post whatever you like as often as you like.
There is no good going to come from name calling, and being ugly.
You are wrong about Judas. I have shown you by the Word. Not opinion. I have used only the Word and shown you the Harmony of the Word.
Yes, Judas was used BY GOD for a specific purpose. That is why he was never saved nor going to be saved. Neither is the Beast.
Those are the only two instances in scripture we can say that. EVERYONE else ever born has opportunity to be reddemed by the blood of the Lamb. God is rich and plenteous in mercy!!!!
He will have mercy upon whom He WILL because HE IS GOD and HE IS SOVEREIGN! Praise HIM for that!
Blessed be the Lord forever!
Now then young sir, I bid you peace and a final farewell.
I do not enjoy having to defend my honor and refute your terrible words about me.
And just for bizzy, yes . this is really the last time I will post here. I can do more than post what the scripture says. Thus saith the Lord. That is ALL that matters. Nothing else.
Not, thus saith opinion.
Before the name calling starts again, ask yourselves before you do, is there any glory in this for the Lord?
Will a stranger read this and think, I want what they have?
Or, will they say, I don;t want anything to do with Christianity becuase those people don't act any better than anyone else.
Just something to think about.
My apologies for my part in any slandering or name calling that I MAY have done. I do not remember but if so, please forgive me and let the blood of Christ cleanse it and cover it between us.
Peace to you,
mib
Where
in scripture do you get these things from?
This is all conjecture and opinioin on your part. And furthermore, it appears when someone validates their position, and it just does not happen to be yours, you go to name calling as illustrated by this ungracious post of yours I have replied to.
You are the one who said I was wrong about Judas not being able to be saved.
I have showed you otherwise by the scriptures, and now you want to change the subject, deflect, and tell me that I am now a worshipper of Greek gods.
How Christ like of you Veritas.
When you cannot discuss civily in the Word you resort to this.
The Bible says we are to try the Spirits and it appears yours is pretty sour when you are questioned and challenged.
You have yet to be able to refute what the Bible says about Judas, especially when the LORD JESUS HIMSELF said it.
Will you argue with HIM also??? Was HE WRONG?
After all, He is the WORD.
You can talk till the cows come home about fulfilled roles. YOUR OPINION ONLY.
The FACT IS JUDAS could not have been saved for that very specific reason, to fulfill prophecy. He is the ONLY PERSON written about in scripture you can say this about.
Did you get that? The ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!
Other than HIM ALONE, Jesus said come unto me ALL YE that are burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest!
ALL means ALL. Anyone else other than JUDAS can come to Christ for SALVATION.
DOES it make him UNJUST for not having MERCY on JUDAS???
GOD FORBID!!!! He would still be JUST if he didn't have mercy on the rest of us sinners, you included.
You have some serious issues Veritas.
You cannot teach anyone if you are going to ridicule, call names like a first grader, and post a bunch of verses that have nothing to do with your accusation.
Any person can post verese of one word like persition. But do they have anything to do with Judas and his role in the DIVINE PLAN of GOD??
Not one thing.
Furthermore, I would be willing to sate that many here other than BB, would agree with what I have said about Judas alone.
Not to mention about the Sovereignty of God.
Deflect, ridicule, call names.
That is classic.
I have not blamed God for one thing friend. Not one.
I have held God up in the highest manner as I always will and have for longer than you have been alive.
Sovereignty is holding GOD UP for WHO HE IS andWHAT HE IS.
Something you failed to do or acknowledge.
Now you want to argue about Judas against what is written in the scriptures.
The verse in John could not be more clear.
Don't tell me all the side show items about who God is. I already know and knew before you were born.
If you want to be the supreme scholar, the smartest honcho on the block, "try to stump me" , then learn to see what is actually written, and stop adding your humanistic ideas into what is written and giving out all kinds of side show distractions.
God is still on the throne.
He is still Sovereign.
He is still THE WORD.
He is still LORD.
He has mercy upon whom he will have mercy. And he did not choose to have mercy upon Judas. What is so hard to understand here?
ROMANS 9:14 - 16
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
The subject was Juda. The issue was whether he could have been saved.
The answer is NO.
If you don't like what God said, take it up with Him.
Scripture is clear on this matter and nothing more need be said.
I forgive you for calling me an unregenerated idol worshipper.
John 17: 12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
NOWHERE else in scripture does SON OF PERDITION describe a man. Anywhere.
The word is used often, as anyone with rudimentary search skill at a site like Crosswalk or blueletterbible can perform, or look up with a Strong's Exhaustive concordance.
THE SON OF OF PERDITION, JUDAS ISCARIOT COULD NOT BE SAVED because he was created for one purpose only, to fulfill the scriptures!!! Period.
Other than him, the Bible clearly teaches that God is not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentence. James 3: 9 I believe.
When one actually LOOKS AT the scripture speaking of the SON of PERDITION, JUDAS, and at who it is speaking about him, GOD THE SON, it kind of says it all.
Anyone want to do a word study of how many times we can find another word on the Bible? ANyone think they could not look up the word perdition on their own and see if ANYWHERE else it referred to the SON OF PERDITION exclusively to JUDAS????
Thanks for proving my point.
Barge: Re: Weby's Dominos theory
I thought he was talking about PIZZA the whole time! lol!!!
I see now what you are getting at. Same as an empty industrial Park. It needs only ONE TENANT to show what this place looks like and the utilization and soon you have numerous occupants!
SO, let's work on one portal. Sounds like a plan. Call Michael Sprague and give him the details, please?
mib
Judas Iscariot
Jesus Christ speaking to the Father.
John 17: 12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Only two people in the Bible ever called the son of perdition. The Beast is one. The other is Judas Iscariot.
It is this simple.
Judas was born into this world for one purpose only, to fulfill scripture according to John 17: 12
As to salvation, the Bible clearly states that except ye REPENT ye shall all likewise perish. Repentence is a KEY ELEMENT of salvation and always has been.
It is a BAPTIST position and doctrine. It is found in the Baptist Confession of London!
fwiw
Good morning Barge!
I like your new moniker! Cache = cash!
Question for clarification.
Are you thinking that various other portals that do not have the near HD quality one can get from TvTonic's caching ability, might possibly utilize TvTonic's features, or at least incorporate them into their own for royalties per say?
Interesting concept. Let me know please?
Thanks,
mib
tkc
Great point about accounting figures. They are VITAL to EVERY organization, especially publicly traded corporations. They reflect cold hard reality and numbers are what every investor should look at the same as analysts do.
John Adams, second President of the U.S. and defense lawyer at the Boston Massacre trial for the British soldiers, said in his closing argument that "facts are stubborn things".
Indeed they are stubborn. They cannot be refuted and they do not go away.
However, a stock price is not just comprised exclusively of what the "market" thinks of a company's financials. It is also based somewhat on what it thinks of its "potential" , whether in its future growth prospects or its products.
It also analyzes its management team.
You all know these things already and I do mean to insult anyone's intelligence, but sometimes a good refresher is helpful.
No doubt our current valuation is in the tank and unless and until there is reason, verifiable reason for it to otherwise, it will stay there.
IF the Q2 numbers are reflective of CEO comments at SHM, then WAVX should release them EARLY.
If they are NOT, then with another pipe coming, be prepared for this stock price to continue its downward trend and delisting notices to be re-issued.
I am HOPING that the numbers are GOOD, and not mediocre or bad.
12 years is a long time! You have been more than patient.
the best,
mib
Veritas
Few make heaven. Your HERECY OF Eternal Security w/out the NECESSITY for repentance WILL TAKE MILLIONS TO HELL.
This nothing but a bald faced lie from hell on your part.
I have NEVER SAID NOR TAUGHT anywhere to anyone that repentence was not a requirement for salvation.
If you are so smart, why did you not expound on God's sovereignty?
Cry? About you turnig your board into what, a preview of the playmate of the year club? That ought to honor the Lord.
Oh, I know. You think people just go from zero into hooked into that culture instead of inch by inch.
Yes, eternal security is certainly what Jesus taught. Thank you for pointing that out.
Is Sovereignty evil and demonic?
Is Soteriology evil and demonic?
Is Theology evil and demonic?
Why? Because you don't know? You could not answer BB2 and you want to attack me?
What is the Sovereignty of God Veritas and how does it refute BB2'a assertion?
Maybe you should study a little more than forty minutes.
Let me clarify for you you attempt at defamation, which is really a great thing for so called believer to do to anyone, much less another believer.
I asked MAtt to remove my membership from Ihub last year. He did.
I was asked by several to return. They paid for this subscription, not me. I did not want to come back.
However, I finally relented and did. I asked MATT for permission to return and we reached accord. We left my old name retired. I explained this situation OPENLY to ALL on the other investment board. It is not a secret and there is nothing evil about it.
I don't want your number.
I will take my HORRIFYING BAPTIST HISTORY and Fundamental Biblical doctrines and continue ti do what I have done for longer than you are alive.
You really should study church history sometime. It would be an eye opener for you.
If your idea of a conversation is to openly insult, insinuate and demonize a person and never look at what they provided as far as scriptural basis then we have nothing to discuss young man.
You must READ and LOOK at what the scriptures said. So if being a BAptist is so horrible, so mortifying, so bad. I guess I will take this plague and rid your place of it.
Thank God the Baptists preserved the Textus Receptus throughout the Ages amen?????? They were horrible people those Baptists. They just didn't have a clue. Not nearly as smart as you.
Answer this question Veritas. You want to be stumped??? YOuwant to show the world how SMART YOU tHINK YOU ARE?????
DID JUDAS HAVE A CHOICE???????????? SATAN entered HIM. GOD USED HIM TO BETRAY CHRIST and he went out and hung himself.
Your apology for heretical teaching will be accepted when you take more than forty minutes to do some serious research.
BB
Everbody else is wrong and you are right.
Are you happy now?
ALL of the great and studies PAstors and Bible scholars who forgot more than I know are all wrong. You are absolutely the champion of champions and we all salute you.
Your humanism is amazing. You have yet to acknowledge God's Sovereignty. I suppose that He will be the worse off for it. not.
Enjoy your arguments with anyone else that may actually stay and do so.
This is the no spin zone. More power to you. Make up some more theology as you go along.
Poor Spurgeon, Henry, MacArthur, Moody. These guys were ALL wrong and only you are right. I did not realize you knew so very much. I do apologize for presenting scriptural support for your unkind remarks.
Let;s just throw away the Bible and all the doctrines then it would be so much simpler, right?
Human reasoning always tickles the ears............
Veritas
Your ignorance is utterly unbelieveable.
Food for thought egotistical one.
Do some research on Judas and then come back if you look far enough and your apology will be accepted.
This is why you have two ears and only one mouth. You have already been stumped and your insane post just proved it.
Thank you for demonstrating to me that this board is ALL ABOUT EGO's, TWO in particular, and NOT about edification or genuine learning.
By the way, if you wanted, young man, many many PASTORS and other GODLY EVANGELISTS will tell you the same thing about STUDY and message preparation.
WHY do you suppose I said that to you? I was trying to give you some parting counsel to carry on what you have started.
As Paul did Timotheus and Titus.
You are not ready. You have way too much testosterone and no humility at all. None. Your pride and ego is swaggering and these things are not what instructing others or caring for them in the manner Jesus taught is all about.
You would DRIVE the SHEEP rather than lead them because of it.
So be it. You have shown there can be no reconcilitation or any other type of serious discussion and now you choose to attack and insult me.
Your pathetic bolded statement about Jesus. For whose benefit was that?
Jesus came specifically to seek and to save that which was lost. He said it, not me. If you don;t like it take it up with Him. I am sure He will listen. He came to fulfill the Father's will and PLAN that was foretold to us through the prophets and copnsumated in HIS will before HE ever created this sin cursed planet.
Ever study out Judgment? Those whom God has entrusted to give out the WORD, are going to be held accountable for what they said and taught and preached. Simple Biblical truth.
I do apologize for trying to share a few thoughts with you.
I see you are not mature enough to digest them and I will waste no more time here.
This is akin to casting pearls before swine.
Believe what you will Veritas. Jesus will be pleased I am sure. Go ARGUE and fuss with everyone. That will really make them want to talk.
Ridicule and make wild assertions that have no Biblical basis but plenty of flesh in them. That will definitely keep them coming.
You think this is a game show?????? Stump the young man????
If you knew so much, you should have been all over BizzyBoy about throwing away the Sovereignty of God.
That spoke volumes to me. I didn't have to say one word and would have preferred not to.
And you want to teach a Sunday School class? What would happen when someone openly challenges your lack of Doctrinal depth? Would you openly insult them like you have me?
Maybe you should just go slap them. I know, ask them to try and stump you. That ought to bring down the house.
And be sure to spend about forty minutes in preparing to teach an in depth discussion on God's WORD.
I'm sure HE would be pleased and the "students" would be very pleased to drink skim milk.
You apparently do not know the difference between a discussion that deals with dialogue and just insulting people.
Read and study Matthew 18. WHEN a brother has a problem or is offended by something and brings it to your attention, what are you to do?
Hit them? Slap them? Ridicule and rail on them?
You must have a different Bible than I do.
I wish you well. I will not bid you god speed. You have lost any respect I may have had.
This board is NOT ready for Fundamental BIBLICAL DOCTRINE based discussion of any sort.
TOO much opinion here and way too much snorting to see who is going to be the dominant pack dog.
I praise God my deacons have a quiet and godly manner about them and we discuss things in context of what God has said in His Word and lack this kind of attitude. It is not becoming meek and lowly at all, and Jesus would be ashamed and saddened.
We are to put on HIS yoke and Spirit. How was He? For I am meek and lowly.
Meekness is not an attribute in your person.
good bye Veritas. Hope things work out for you.
I can go be insulted and treated like this by the worldy crowd who supposedly don't know better. I am accustomed to that.
I have people who actually want to learn truth and listen. I have no time for your games and insults from BB2 who wouldn't know a doctrine if it hit him in the face.
Most of all I apologize to God the Father.
He is NO LONGER SOVEREIGN. At least not here on this board.
IF Governements and rulers are not set up BY HIM as well as everything else, He is no longer Sovereign, period.
There isn't anything to discuss. He either IS or IS NOT Sovereign.
Of course, BB2 will never admit to being rude, and dead wrong either after the inflammatory rhetoric.
WHY didn't YOU step in and "correct" him in his error?
I had church services yesterday and memebers dieing from cancer. Hospital visits, praying with family members and consoling spouses.
You could have since you claim to know so much. You want to be stumped right?????
Then the answer to his ridiculous challenge should have been obvious to the studied student who spends 40 minutes preparing a deep message, right????
Fight with someone else Veritas. They may enjoy it. Jesus hates it. He despises this attitude about I am smarter than you or stump me or see how smart I am, or at least think I am.
Here is a simple truth for you and last thing I am ever going to say to you.
The more time you spend on your knees begging God for insight and meaning into His WORD, the longer time you pray and read and study, year over year, decade over decade, the more you discover how little you know and how awesome HE IS!
Say whatever you want Veritas.. I will not read one more word from this board nor say anything else.
I should have listened and known better, but even I, at my age can still learn and do every day. God's WORD is ever fresh and new.
Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!
mib is dead!