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He's also competing with Skymark, ESR, Biomed Reports, etc. He, as well as these other companies, are investment advisors competing for the same clients.
You couldn't be any more right. I like Luniel. He has it under control. Everything he said he would do, he has done. If we go dark then we are for a good reason. It's all part of the plan.
If the market was wiped out tomorrow and everyone pulled their money right now, I'd hardly say this was not a successful stock. We have got to be wary of our expectations, day to day situations, fundamentals, technicals, and the effect it has on our emotions.
This is a better company now than it was six months ago. The drops in PPS should not be looked at as bad. They are opportunities to buy more.
That's great info. Thanks for posting it for us.
I refuse to believe that one company, i.e. Timothy Sykes, can ruin a company. Our stock prices will eventually be based on sales numbers. He can't impact sales. Plus, at some point, this stock will not fit Sykes' profile anymore and he'll continue on to another one.
I'm still not concerned. Next week I intend to ignore the market and iHub and come back 7 days later to see what's going on.
We're only in day 2 of testing! Just something to keep in mind when the ups and downs get to you. And we're still up 0.34 from February 1. Lots of growth still ahead.
It doesn't make any sense for anybody to argue with Timothy Sykes when he shows up here. He is competing with Skymark/ESR, with a completely different philosophy, and on some of the same stocks and territory. There is absolutely no way he will ever agree that Skymark/ESR have made a strong recommendation with TSHO. It would hurt his credibility. For anyone who disagrees with him, it's best just to ignore the posts and move on.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's not an educated discussion or bashing, it's an advertisement. I noticed it on another board he posted to as well.
I got everyone so far. Thanks!
This is not a stock to lose sleep over. If anyone is, then they ought to take a week off from following. It won't tank overnight, especially since everything is running now and commercials are already scheduled.
I would follow my own advice, but I'm couped up at home with mono. However, I sleep just fine. :)
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Why are people selling at those levels? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Even if they are short-term holders, those are ridiculous when they can easily get them at 0.20-1.00 higher by exercising a little patience.
I'm done talking about shorts. It can't affect us much at this point. Time to get back to positives and future growth. This is what we've been waiting for so enjoy it!
Excerpt from Skymark today:
"the consolidation was not due to a fundamental change in the company, but rather individuals banking that Tradeshow Marketing Company Ltd. (TSHO) would not deliver on its business plan. The release Friday after-market confirms that Tradeshow Marketing Company Ltd. (TSHO) is on track and indeed delivering on what it has promised to its shareholders"
That's a pretty simple explanation.
Let's just say, for sake of discussion, telknec does have experience in the industry. And perhaps, at one time, those margins were correct. We know a couple things that Luniel De Beer is doing to address this:
1. Working without pay and from home to save costs. I'm sure he pays for some expenses with company money, but no salary as of yet.
2. He has outsourced everything. This means that almost all his costs are variable. As revenue increases, his costs increase accordingly. If revenues increase then decrease again, his costs decrease accordingly. This safeguards from being in the hole from the beginning with a fixed cost overhead.
3. Per his conference call, he plans to bring services in-house when the time is right, moving from variable to fixed costs as operations increase. If executed properly, this move will increase margins.
This is actually straight from basic accounting classes. So long as he executes properly, and he has shown no signs that he isn't, he is giving himself the best chance of success.
I suppose it is completely feasible that at some point in a company's growth, both fundamental long-term investors and technical short-sellers could be right at the same time. The fundamentals show that the company has a high likelihood of being successful and generating huge returns in the long run. The technicals show that there is a small window that has a high likelihood of catering to a short-sell situation. They rely on completely different types of indicators and DD, and thus are like comparing apples and oranges.
But what do we know? Fundamentals aways override technicals. So other than some minor adjustments to strategy during this short period of time, it has little to no bearing on our core strategy.
If short-sellers made a profit during this blip on our radar, congratulations. If they didn't, well, good luck to them in trying to cover. For the fundamental investors and TSHO, this is an enormous opportunity. It's an opportunity to be tested from the top-down and for the business to shine in a trying period. It won't be the last trying time either, but without a doubt, an enormous confidence and momentum builder. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
It was a personal e-mail from his account manager. Nobody has received the mass e-mail yet. Other than maybe a little insight into Friday, what will we really get out of it? We're rocking and rolling now! I don't need anything more except someone to actually squeegee my windows besides me.
You're right. I haven't been in the market long, but I was thinking the same thing. Nothing has changed. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
It's the same fundamentals, same DD, same discussion that had us excited 6 months ago. And in 19 hours the rubber will hit the road. We should be enjoying this moment, drinking cocktails, and watching the fireworks show because it is spectacular.
You have to separate your emotions from it or they will jade your ability to make sound financial decisions. Also, pick and choose your battles. You can only reason so far with someone who is completely out of touch with reality. Some just want to pick fights.
You're much better off having conversations with the people who are wavering in the middle than the ones who are clearly bashers. I wouldn't even entertain them below a certain threshold.
Lack of education leads to fear of the unknown. Maybe you just need to refresh on some of points that have been made over the past months.
Let's also not forget that TSHO is not just a DRTV sales company. They are using four sales channels. Their website specifically says:
1. Demonstration Direct Sales at Select Home and Trade Shows
2. Direct Response Television (DRTV) infomercials
3. Retail Stores
4. e-Commerce Web Stores
This is what the delay of a couple extra months was for. They changed their strategy to be aggressive in all of these and not just DRTV. The infomercials are only the start. Personally, I'm most excited about their plans for retail stores.
Was it 400% of the stock price, $4.28? That was all I was allowed to go up to with Scottrade.
I like that one too. My friend and I were messing around with it. Never ordered it though, not sure of the legalities surrounding it. I wonder if Luniel would approve.
I'll help where I can. I'm looking over the board right now. What an awful format. Plus, that rating system doesn't look to be real useful.
Wave is in "preview" mode. I've used it and it doesn't work anywhere close to the way it did in their 45-minute presentation. Google likes to leave things in "beta" for years. So "preview" is well below it.
It's got some shortcomings as well, but I think there's a better way to build some new tools.
Or maybe a whole new post that explains how to combat the short sellers. I.E. real high sell limits, restricting margin trades on your account, and anything else we can do to help. I just put in my call to scottrade. took no more than 5 minutes.
Scottrade doesn't allow me to set my limit beyond 400% of the value for stocks under $10.00. That should be sufficient. That's $4.28 right now. If you think it isn't adequate, let me know and I'll give them a call to see if they can raise it.
I suppose you're right. I always feel like penny stock has this negative connotation associated with it. Through all the DD and discussion here, a lot of that has dissipated for the educated. Let's call it a nickel stock. That's 5x better than a penny stock. :)
Can some/all of you here shoot me your e-mail address? Send it to ryan@ryanmanley.com. I decided that I can contribute to the group by building some tools to facilitate our DD and communication better. I have something specific in mind and want to run it past you regulars and see if you might be interested in trial testing with the next Skymark pick. It won't cost anything besides some time and it could have some big benefits.
Maone15, is there an advantage for us to set limit sell orders for our shares? I saw in your short-sell post (which you should also sticky) that you upped yours by 3x. I never had one set since I'm not selling, but put one in real high after your post. If everyone does this, what is the effect on shorts?
Edit: you did sticky that post. Disregard that part. Thanks.
I'm already looking forward to the 2nd product.
From my perspective, I'm looking at it with some historical value, but mostly the actions.
He has a history of project/product management, but these are only resume lines so I don't take a lot of stock in it. It's like a degree, nice to know there's some support there.
He is familiar with IT. As a person in IT, I understand how important it is to embrace IT for it's usefulness, not just because it's new or cool. Infomercials are neither new or cool, but are useful. Tried and true technologies are the best ones out there. You don't reinvent the wheel just because you can (lots of techies try to though).
He's been with TSHO for years now, and from what I can tell, made some key decisions to change the business before it went under. These are called pivot points in some strategies. When starting a business, the idea is not to have your plan exactly right, but to adjust quickly and efficiently (pivot)as needed before the money runs out. Then once you've pivoted enough times and found the right market, you accelerate into it. I believe TSHO is doing that right now.
Everything has been executed in order with no unwanted surprises or delays. There was one delay and that was 3rd-4th quarter last year (might need dates verified), where they changed from just a direct tv sales company to planning for multiple sales channels. The new site states four specific sales channels.
I thought the conference call was very valuable. If he is a master of deception, then hats off to him. But he seemed in control, visionary, extremely motivated, and maintained a sense of calmness. I suspect he's the kind of guy that can sit in a room of shaky people, and with a few words, immediately calm everyone's nerves and then have them buying into the vision.
Also, on the vision part, I don't know if anyone caught this on the conference call, but he was very open ended on what he wanted TSHO to eventually be. I think these are just stepping stones. 1 product, then 2, then 2 at once, then 4, then 6, etc, until they are so proficient at sales that major companies are coming to them to market their clothing lines, shoes, cars, etc. I admit this is a ways off, but some stuff on the website eludes to this.
Also, I like to look at other companies with great products or business plans that have failed, or are still floundering. A couple people might be familiar with here are SPNG, ZVTK, and VSPC. All of them seem to be overflowing with potential. Their bottleneck? Management. In every case, it's management. You can also look at companies, past and present, that aren't just penny stocks. Enron, WorldCom, Big Bear, Apple, and Microsoft are examples. Each one's success or demise was all directly related to their management.
Under $5.00, OTC or Pink Sheet traded, yes I get that part. But is it really a penny stock in spirit anymore? They aren't reinventing the wheel, they execute with consistent and decisive leadership, sales have started, lines of communications have been good, no fluff PRs, additional sales channels, etc. They don't seem to operate like a penny stock anymore.
Maybe my post would be better a week from now when all 100 commercials have ran in the 5 day span. But from my time with it, it's a lot different than the original company I invested in.
I added more at a $1.30 this morning. A little patience would have gained me a better deal, but that wasn't my concern. My concern was just to increase my investment. And this was based on the exact reasons you just stated. I don't know if there is a $$ cut-off for the definition of a penny stock, but I don't think this fits the penny stock profile any more. They are now a fully operational business.
This is also why I struggle with the idea of pulling any money out for the next speculative gem. It takes a long time to get to this type of trust with a company and CEO. I take a lot of stock in this alone. TSHO has taught me one unbreakable rule for investing: The CEO is the single most important factor for success.
Why Timothy Sykes bashes TSHO:
I thought about this some and it didn't make sense that he was coming in here to bash TSHO. He is proficient investing the way he does and does not need to prove anything to anyone other than his members. So why would he go into TSHO land when it doesn't fit exactly with his typical strategy? He must feel threatened. But not by TSHO, by Skymark.
As long as Skymark continues to validate their reputation, it's going to slowly eat away at his own customer base. He is in direct competition with them as an investing advisor. How do you compete with a company who continues to have long-term successes when all you provide are short-term high stress situations that work 75% of the time? It makes a lot of sense that he would like to see Skymark/ESR disappear because they are such a strong competitor to him.
That said, the more we see him around, the more confident we can be in our research company.
what e-mail address did you use? I e-mailed them a couple days ago and never got a response.
You know what's crazy though? Nothing has changed. Absolutely nothing. Everything is on schedule, the websites are updating, orders are taking place, the plan is being executed to perfection.
I bought more at $1.30 this morning thinking I got a great deal. I still got a good deal, though not as good as if I had waited a few more hours.
Wow, that's pretty cool. Congrats. If we're going to use Gump quotes, I think these are relevant:
"Now that I was a gabillionaire..."
"Yes sir, we got more money than Davey Crockett."