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Essence,
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Is it your position, that my harping on share structure, float size, dilution, authorized size and converting restricted shares to free trading to make money for the company, bad knowledge to have in regards to this or any stock? Since that is always my mantra, why do you want it supressed and why do you not address it yourself?
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I gave a key piece of info the other day. Nov 15 is when they report structure for July-Sept which will include increase size of float or buy-back. I recommend to all to wait to invest until that is out or if they lift the gag on the TA.
Would you call that bad advice?
BTW-- if the buy-back was complete as in recent post why gag the TA? why not put out a PR. they post fluff but not real news that supports the shareholder base. C'mon!
Anwser that....
Are you presenting a balanced view or a pumpers view?
We all know the answer.
One last bash. How can you speak about your research and decision to invest and not mention share structure, float, authorized, outstanding and dilution/ongoing conversions to free shares as part of your decision? Oh yeah, I forgot, most of you here don't get it.
Yup. Even bashing this crappy stock is getting boring.
what does your 12+ years experience tell you about this stock?
When you post a reply that has some substance and insight, as you did, most here are not interested as they never follow up with more digging and questions. It's like having a pain and not wanting to go to the doctor to find out what is really wrong.
It is clear that 0001 stock plays with ridiculous share structure, gagged TA, dilution and 100 billion authorized is only appealing to rookies and dreamer investors. It's the LOTTO play only.
The truth to people who know, is that these stocks cannot it any reasonable price point (over one penny even) without a RS and normal tight float. It's just does not work.
Regarding a buy back. Company does not issue billions of shares into the float, to make money, only to buy them back. Buy backs work when you do not keep issuing shares and you need to tighten the float and you have revenue. They only make money by diluting.
On Nov 15th when they post structure and you all get to see how much they are diluting, then you will see how you're gonna get screwed here.
A big R/S. No way! How about the granddaddy of all reverse splits...the big one is coming. Keep in mind that the SEC is watching all these stocks that are structured like classic pumps and dumps. Some will be closed down before a RS even takes effect.
PRs should be short sweet and to the point. It is not to impress with writing flair and should not have to be deciphered. The co website can expound on PRs and include all the gobbledegook they want. Get to the point and bring in new buyers.
Here is where the rubber meets the road. Nov 15th will tell you all you need to know about the real CEO/company intentions. When they post the quarter numbers, if for example, the float is now 30 billion shares, that means they issued some 13 billion more free trading shares into the float (in just 3 months) and that money (IMO) always is to go back into their own wallets. If that is the case, then all you little dreamers are just giving the company a payoff for diluting and dominating the marketplace.
It is not about franchise or energy, it is about share structure. They can make money off both (shares and business (LOL)) and the investors can get nothing.
Wait for the 15th to invest is my humble opinion. Transparency is where it is at.
how could you not like a guy names muffles. Well, I'm off to beddybye. At least when i'm around this board has some life.
Well then... mghty kind of ya. I kinda think that I contribute by telling people that this is a rotten stock because the share structure and gagged TA and the non-stop dilution smells fishy. New investors should be aware that most likely a reverse split is coming. And if new investors still want to take a chance at least they have all points of view to consider.
what do you think?
Fair enough. If no one asks me to stay, I'll go.
You are quite polite.
LOL... reminds me more like Apocalypse Now. 'there's nothing like the smell of Napalm after a dreadful day of trading.
Why apologize to say your feelings. Here is something (negative), (but I'm not bashing) Jessssus! Here an unabashed BASH. This will hit .32 with a 250,000 to 1 reverse split. You guys are koooooks if you think with a gaged TA and a float for 25 to 30 billion and a stock that is paralyzed at 0001 and a CEO that diluted more than I bash that you will even get liquid at .0003. How many stocks do a zillion billion shares and can't even crawl up one tenth of a cent... one tenth. LMFAO
The answer is EVRM needs many more eyes on it. The buying pool is still small compared to a SPNG who hired every fleabag IR person and firm (in the world) to promote the stock for a long time (and it did work in terms of getting strong retail buyng).
They have a teaming agreement with EDS for iris scan dev.
The patents my boy, the patents.
Better to lose commission than investment. This stock is barking like the dog it is. We told ya.
Here's how it works.
pinksheets.com-- you have 45 days after quarter to post financials and updates. So Nov 15 is the due date for Q3.
Real companies do not gag the TA and you can call and get the share structure or they post them on company web site and even put updates in PRs. Investors really appreciate transparency.
Yahoo is not updated and not reliable.
This stock is current on pinksheets.com, their highest statue, which is good, but it is an end-around as they do not keep current throughout the quarter and gag the TA and not not disclose info on structure in real time.
Yeah and 10,000 to 1 will really boost your position. Do you have any experience in this world?
Can you feel the tension...
Sho-- as you just said, with all they are giving, why are they not giving the share structure and the TA is gagged? This is paramount to investors. As of today, what is the float?
Great! While you're at it tell the SEC about all the company dilution and have them see how much money is kicked back through a back door.
Yes, this is a fun time-killer. Those of us who really understand pinkworld just want to point out that with some stocks you have a chance of that dream ride up and some stocks is no better than playing lotto. This one is clearly lotto. Us bashers are not angels. Sure we have taken a bite of the apple. And sure pinks are here to dilute and make money for the co and still it can give the poor shlub of an investor a chance for that ride. I do not begrudge them that at all. That is the game and why they are in pinkeyland.... they finance off guys like you and live well even if their company never makes a dime. That's Ok too. But what gets us is when it is so egregious, so blatant, so pathetically structured to only dilute and self serve that even we sinners are in contempt of them and post here.
After a year you havn't learned anything about share structure and a 100 billion Authorized and a float that is prob about 30 billion. LMAO
Black00SS. There will always be new naive investors that cannot he helped. You learn after you lose. After all the posts you and I and Buzzlight made, one schmo asked earlier that everyone stop selling at 0001. Unbelievable! People want to drink the Kool-Aid and believe. It fun going to sleep thinking your 250 dollar investment will one day turn to millions of dollars. These people will never sell as they will lose their dream. Only the dreaded but sure-to-come reverse split will knock some sense into how they invest. Then them enjoy the fantasy and move on.
I call TA-- they are gaged!!!! When not reveal float and dilution. As of June 30 the float is 17,466,150,844. Betcha its double now.
Here is what that means. The company is the only one selling and selling they are. Billions of shares at 0001. That is how they are getting income. Since none of you investors will sell at the price you bought, you are bystanders. Since they get to print up shares at will, you get to watch them sell and sell and sell. And you guys cheer them on. WTF! if the price goes up, even to a sustained 0002, certainly a lot of you will start selling and the company will have to compete to sell. Why do that?
All legal too.
Where does it eve say that Weitzel will be CEO of EVRM? Please do not set yourself up for a let down here.
Even so, when you bought it did you call TA?
OC--- When you did your DD, did you call the transfer agent to ask what the share structure is? And, if so, what did they say?
ANNOUNCEMENT! Has anyone on this board, anyone...made a profit yet. This stock has been around a while. How ya doing. Can anyone step up and say they made some real money, any money, milk money.
OC-- I had intentions of buying until I investigated the share structure. Additionally, I saw many other posts of disgruntled buyers, ya'know, people who own AND bash. Gee I thought only non buyers are bashers. It is not uncommon to follow a stock for any length of time before buying, so are you saying that non buyers or perspective buyers are not welcome here. If you own you are stuck (IMO) here and (IMO) you get a pump and dump. Seems after reading many posts, many folks do not understand share structure and dilution. Ya know, how a CEO can line his pockets with YOUR money by putting out fluff releases and making thousands having his financers selling at .0001. Misery likes company so you want more poor schnooks to buy this junk. I get it. That said, I advise all to sell out tomorrow. Tell me, how many of you can actually sell if you wanted to and how many can sell at .0002 when it bites up a bit. My guess is a few at 0001 and very few at 0002. SELL SELL AND SELL and buy a stock with a float of less than 5 or 600 million. I will now move on to greener pastures and you can pump your BS to all niave takers.
What's funny (or sad) is that with this float and dilution you can't even get a quick in and out momentum play. You are stuck in the mud with no posatraction. There is no long play as there will be a RS when the .0001 well dries up. My advice is to look a share strucure first before investing. If a stock gets hot, even if it's bull, you can make a few in and out bucks with a float that is even 500 million.
Buzz-- you are light years a head of most here.
IMO--If the CEO cared about the shareholder, he would not have gone down this dead spiral of billions of shares. He can easily line his pockets all he wants and laugh all the way to the bank.
Simple, I work different than most. I do research first and then buy stock. It took me all of 15 minutes to see this is a dog. Many who buy stock only buy the story and do not understand pinkyland and stock mechanisms and how they work, especially for the CEO. The greatest story or even news will not work if there is constant dilution and a massively bloated float. As an investor do you not appreciate my other post as referenced in my previous post.
How can you miss a train that never left the station. LOL!!! It is at platform 0001
correction see post 36318
I tried explaining this to posters over weekend but the want to believe a pig with lipstick is not a pig. See my post msg# 36314
Remember the 500K blocks (at .04 to.05) people were complaining about last month. Those were the good 'ol days.
They will not do a RS until the buying dries up. They can keep the financing going every week as stated in previous post. Once the buying stops and the volume drops, you'll see a RS at the speed of light. Regarding your concern over fluff releases that they cost money... WTF! Each POS release pumps up some buying and they cash in. So for a few hundred bucks they can cash in thousands or tens of thousands.
Thank you. That is exactly why they issue all those shares. The following is what all shareholders need to know. When you finance a company through shares, you sell them at a steep discount. Usually done in ongoing tranches. As long as there is strong daily volume, the company often does ongoing financing by selling discounted shares that convert to free trading. So all you buyers are paying off the financing guys who finance the company. Again, many companies convert every week and that is one reason why price does not move. The company is cleaning up at .0001 as is the finance company. By the time the tranches stop the float is well north of 10 billion that the structure is so bloated that even at .0002 it is hard to sell. Then the RS comes.