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Wow for once I agree with you. I will say I want more than just Apple, I am more interested in non-CE stuff. Hopefully this new guy will seal any upcoming deals. Sheeesh at least get us some Garrison clamps. Sheesh knock down the doors at Conformis or Covidien, as their patents and patent apps have so much reference to amorphous alloys. Ok that is my rant for the day. I guess it's til the bitter it sweet end with my shares....
Actually agree with you. Take a look at this excerpt from an Apple patent app from the USPTO from today:
"This single piece enclosure 500 including audio jack shell 505 may be formed by injecting molten polymer, e.g., thermoplastics, or glass filled resin, e.g., glass reinforced nylon, into a mold, i.e., injection molding, so as to form a single piece of polymer. Alternatively, enclosure 500 may be formed by molding Liquidmetal or a metal injection molding process (MIM) to form a single piece of metal, e.g., stainless steel."
Patent app is: COMBINED AUDIO JACK AND MOBILE ELECTRONIC DEVICE United States Patent Application 20140060917
Makes sense to continue working with each other.
Listen to the call... The new machine/system is going to replace the one in RSM. It exists but they can't put it on the Engel site since it's only for licensees, so it's not a machine they can sell to everyone or anyone. That's just my thought on that one.
Another patent out of the Swatch family, with reference to amorphous alloys:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8665676.html
One from Callaway, who knows now with the "new" alloy compositions they may be a taker? Nike also has some patents/apps out there pending as well.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8663030.html
50/50. Maybe the iPhone 6 or may wait until Iphone 6S (or whatever they call it), or could be a new line of premium phone, as in:
1)iPhone 5C or similar material/price point
2)iPhone 6 or 6X or whatever, with Aluminum still the material of choice
3)iPhone 6 or 6X or whatever, with premium materials/build/features, which might contain LM.
I guess its more of a 33.333333333333333333333333333333% chance...ha
SS1, this is actually more exciting:
"An embodiment for an aircraft structure employs an array of aerodynamic riblets having a plurality of amorphous metal tips formed from material selected from the set of Vitreloey 105 (Zr: 52.5 Ti: 5 Cu: 17.9 Ni: 14.6 Al:10) or Vitreloy 106a (Zr: 58.5 Cu: 15.6 Ni: 12.8 Al: 10.3 Nb: 2.8). The amorphous metal tips are highly reflective for a decorative feature. Each tip includes a base and each tip is segmented in the flow direction. An elastomeric layer supports said amorphous metal tips in predetermined spaced relation with the base of each tip embedded in the elastomeric layer. A preformed appliqué which incorporates a metallic layer, a polymer support layer and an adhesive layer is deposited on the elastomeric layer opposite the tips to form a multilayer appliqué. The adhesive layer adheres the multilayer appliqué to a surface of the aircraft."
This comes from Boeing's "amorphous metal riblets" patent/applications. Keith stone mentioned this a while back I believe. Hey maybe the new Boeing 737 MAX or the 777X or the recent talk of a 757 replacement could use these....
Cool article here:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/279054/
Even cooler, read this:
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/environment/Documents/technology-roadmap-2013.pdf
Table on Page 25, TRL (technology readiness level) of 8, and is a "retrofit"......hmmmm, good stuff!
For investors of this stock, it will come down to more patience, but Grampa's comments below are promising, but time will tell.
"Several weeks ago, we announced our introduction of numerous alloys to support the amorphous alloy for our liquid metal market. This market and application base is expected to grow over the next several years, as the supply chain and technology to support it is becoming more robust, as we plan to play an integral role as the alloy supplier to this market."
"What's interesting is liquid metal has been out there for quite a while. It hasn't really gone anywhere, and I think the fundamental reason is, that there hasn't been a robust supply chain, meaning that -- it’s a nascent [ph] product, you need reliable high volume die casting technology, is really what's required. And that's -- we have developed the alloys to support this die casting technology, which actually, alloy development is very critical to help the reliability and the production of high volumes. So what's happening is, I think with our technology advancements, in combination with technology advancement in die casting, we are now set up in a total supply chain, that we can actually develop these markets more robustly."
"It has to evolve than normal cycles of qualifications, people [indiscernible], always takes a little bit longer upfront, and then you can start to play mental games with yourself, that's going to be much larger; because depending on where the product ultimately goes, it can go in some very high volume size applications and if the metal is very attractive, it has forming characteristics that require minimizing or eliminating machining, and has strength and stiffness ratios that are out of this world."
Grampa and Materion might be playing it safe, but his choice of words seem to convey that he knows this can be very promising:
"So [indiscernible] with yourself of how big it could get, I'd rather not do that, I'd rather say that, in the near term, I feel comfortable that the supply chain is coming around right now, that we can support and early market developments of this product, and I see a long term horizon that's pretty exciting. But in the short term, I would say that over the next several years, we could develop the market in the $5 million to $10 million range, and then beyond that, it could be much more exciting than that. That's practicality."
This was interesting dialogue (sounds like Steipp avoiding Apple questions, doesnt it?):
Analyst
"If I remember the history of this one, lots of patents were bought by Apple actually from liquid metals. Now, would you be making the material for Apple or not at this point?"
Grampa
"It would depend on Apple's decision making process."
Analyst
"That's not final yes, right?"
Grampa
"It would depend on Apple's decision making process."
Analyst
"Okay. I understand...."
Good dialogue...but remember this is still a penny stock, it either goes somewhere, assets are bought or goes kapoot! However, there is a feeling for me, that this 2nd time around things look more promising...and YES, we need revenues to support us going forward - so lets see what update LQMT gives in March; then we can pass more judgement.
Yep all is fair game now for either MTRN or LM....but one thing is that Materion appears ready to rock and roll with ingot or plate production. Somewhere the turnkey system produced with Engel is waiting to make an appearance....just a matter of time. I am interested to see though what other production methods will come out later like 3D printing.....hey maybe we will see a new relationship form with a big boy like Stratasys.
Maybe your answer is here or not....
http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=5&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Waniuk&OS=Waniuk&RS=Waniuk
Or maybe you should call Materion directly or ask them during their CC, or ask Steipp during the next CC.
Maybe..Maybe not...nothing is certain in this world. Reading to much into my comment to Spartan.
Same to you let's wait to see what the next 6-12 months hold
This was Hipple in July 2013:
First mention during the call.
.....Okay that’s helpful and can you or do you care to maybe dive in a little bit on what the new growth products are in that segment and I guess what products and what market sector that occurs going forward?
Dick Hipple
To give you just a couple I talked about this one before is there is probably let’s say two primary ones, one is in the liquid metals alloys where we have developed a technology for that and we see that as a new growth platform and to very unique to amorphous metal that is gaining some traction and then the other embedded within that particular division is our new acquisition that we bought over in the UK called AMC and that’s aluminum it's a very a niche aluminum silicon carbide product and it has a property sets that are similar to a Beryllium based metal it's like an augmentation and it does increase our platform for growth and you’re going to see overtime, that’s what I call our new ToughMet product within the Beryllium businesses. So it's our next gen ToughMet product, so it's going to be very large over the next several years. So they have two very nice platforms that we expect to be growing over the next couple of years.
Second mention:
Our next question comes from the line of Jim Casagrande with Brant Point Capital. Please proceed with your question.
Jim Casagrande - Brant Point Capital
I just wanted to follow-up I guess on market comments around momentum; you mentioned liquid metal as a growth platform. I was wondering is that -- one are you kind of seeing growth there now, two, is that related to I think you mentioned connectors for automotive batteries or there has obviously been some rumors around Apple products and using that and you know some version of iPhone or iPad et cetera, so just wanted any comments on that and you know is it growth something we will see in ’13 or is it more of a ‘14 opportunity. Thanks.
Dick Hipple
I would expect that to be ‘14/ ‘15 you know but ‘14, I’m not saying it's a ‘14 or is it ‘15 we’re shipping low millions of dollars into that market today, so it's real but I see these markets do take some time to develop before you start to hit a curve. So that’s where we are at, we have got lot of interesting opportunities and they are pretty wide-spread between as you mentioned consumer electronics to it can be watches, high-end watches and components and those and then it also reaches into the defense side of the business for us in aerospace. So it's kind of a very interesting broad-breadth portfolio for the application there.
Doesn't hurt to try ...
Seriously, did you read the entire release from Materion and read what's on their website? Probably not...go back to Apple board.
We all knew this was coming...
No anger in me bud. Not splitting hairs either, just asking the original poster to present evident on his statement about the LQMT/Engel patent, thats all - since they make the same blanket statements all the time. Anyhows, enjoy your day.
HMMMM, fancy words (big deal)...well continue to interpret them the way you wish to. Best of luck...
Dont defend his post if you dont have all the facts.
The "mod" that makes the Turn Key machine, from what I understand, is a patent between
LQMT and ENGEL, and APPLE was not part of it.
The statement was made about Engel and LQMT having a patent, and your quoted statement below still does not support the posters statement above. Working together and having a shared patent are 2 things. At least until now there is no published patent or patent application out there that shows Engel and LQMT listed together as Assignees or employees as Inventors. Only patents or patent applications in existence to the public today are between LQMT & Apple employees.
This part of your quoted statement...
We have utilized Engel’s standard plastics injection-molding platform as a foundation with simple bolt-on components."
Is what I was stating in my last response to the person you are defending. If there are future patents or patent applications that become public eventually then their statement will hold true, until then maybe you are in the dark too.
So, here is one of the main patent apps for the machine:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2013048429A1.html
READ READ it....
Here are several components:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2013/0037232.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2013070233A1.html
If you search and read about the turnkey solution, which anyone with at least 1 share in LQMT should - you would know that as of right now there is nothing published that states that Engel or their employees are inventors of the solution. Engel brings the main Injection machine to the table but thats it. Yes, I am sure that their engineers have worked with Apple and LQMT on the turnkey because in the end it is an Engel injection machine that is the starting point. You should make an effor to put up your sources of your statements, in order to substantiate your claim. FYI - websites may be misleading so your true source would be patent/application history or something that comes straight from the horse's mouth - Engel or LQMT, or maybe even Apple.
Please familiarize yourself with the patents/patent applications tied to the turnkey solution. As of today there are none assigned to Engel or have any Engel listed inventors. They all have LQMT or Apple names all over them. Unless you know of a patent/patent application out there that none of us can see, please dont make this statement again. A couple of weeks ago you did the same thing.
Can you help us understand where the statement that LQMT and Engel sharing a patent comes from? All published patent apps and published patents in terms of the turnkey solution components only list LQMT or Apple individuals..... Maybe we have missed something?
Thanks for the info I already know..... You missed the point of my post, but I am not going to repeat myself.
Interesting new picture of the week:
http://liquidmetal.com/our-process/liquidmetal-alloy/
So you think that Apple who has USED sapphire in a known product/component before like....
"Sapphire crystal lens cover" for camera
"Laser-Cut Sapphire Crystal" for TouchID
...Will broadcast to the world their intents to use amorphous alloys, when its not a product being utilized today? We all know with 100% certainty that sapphire is and will be used in the future, so thats a clear indication of that. Hence the broadcast of their investment with GT Advanced. Guess some people think they are smarter than the Apple execs or would like to tell them what strategy or communication tactics they should use.
That does NOT make it a clear indication that sapphire is the ONLY material they will use. Sapphire has its uses and so do amorphous alloys in future Apple products. Some people would have to be ostriches with their heads buried in the sand to not see this.
Based on their past, call should happen 1st or 2nd week of March...
There were actually two, here's the other:
http://www.omegawatches.com/press/press-release-detail/2513
About time .....
You sure have a lot of opinions... Too bad there is no value to them.
How about you post something of significant value like facts, that would support your stance. That is instead of just typing the same thing over and over and over. Or bring back Sandy for crying out loud to entertain yourself....
I think we have heard enough of your fluff... Please make it stop.
There is none, someone pasted link to 2012 amendment and used verbiage in there to appear that MTA had been officially been renewed.
That filing is old....seriously
At least the Librizzi website now lists LQMT as a principal. Just links you to the LQMT website though....
This use just seems more realistic then just another iPhone made entirely of LM. If a phone will have a wrap around display then covers in use today will be useless for the most part( hope I make sense) so they definitely would have to use strong materials like LM or Sapphire. The iWatch may have the materials first is what I am thinking.
I would agree with you on this possibility, especially considering this Apple patent app which we have seen before.
http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2013165441&recNum=1&office=&queryString=ALL%3ALiquidmetal+AND+PA%3AApple+&prevFilter=&sortOption=Pub+Date+Desc&maxRec=25
No bud,
Here's a list where you can further research, includes patents and applications.
Crucible Intellectual
http://www.patentbuddy.com/Company/Profile/CRUCIBLE-INTELLECTUAL-PROPERTY-LLC/42015
Liquidmetal Technologies
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=Liquidmetal&FIELD1=ASNM&co1=AND&TERM2=&FIELD2=&d=PTXT