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<< I find Glenn's role puzzling as well. Maybe Urbie didn't tell him everything at the outset, but let it out in bits and pieces, and now Glenn's stuck? >>
Glenn has worked for the SEC and has vast knowledge in securities law, M & A, and corporate governance. He is a partner in a firm with over 300 attorneys whose clients include:
American International Group
Amtrak
Bear Stearns & Co.
Brown University
Citizens Bank
Clear Channel Communications
FleetBoston
Genzyme Corporation
Gerber Life Insurance Company
Halliburton
Harvard University
John Hancock Life Insurance Company
Johns Hopkins University
JP Morgan Partners
MassMutual Life Insurance Company
Merck Capital Ventures LLC
NBC
NCR Corporation
Northwest Airlines
Owens Corning
Pitney Bowes Inc.
PNC Financial Services Group
priceline.com Incorporated
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
UBS Financial Services Inc.
Wells Fargo
Partners at a firm like this would never let Urban in the door without something. And I'm sure this group of prominent lawyers, with a vast knowledge of securities law, and an educational background that would make your head spin, could see through the 500 billion share pump and dump by Urban Casavant and Melvin Oneil. LOL
Come on, "bits and pieces" . Glenn has been here for 2 MONTHS... and has been on a good number of the press releases. The first wiff of impropriety and these guys would be long gone...
Glenn is the key...IMO
who posted the OTCBB O/S link?
trying to get there without the link, via the OTCBB site, and can't seem to find it.
Janice,
If the O/S is in fact 500B why would a partner at a respected securities law firm take on such a mess? and don't say money, because at that level the reputation is more important...look at his resume, how many of those stocks have a 500 B O/S and are trading on the pinks...
that's the one thing I can't get over...
Yes, but this pinksheet is unique from many other pump/dump scams(if in fact it is);
What do you think about Glenn in this whole thing?
Either he's in on it or Urban pulled the wool over his eyes.
That's what makes me question the 500 bil O/S the most...why would a partner at a respected securities law firm take on such a mess?
true,
they may not have technically lied...but their inferences and actions led the shareholders to believe one thing and they in fact were doing another...so to me it would be a lie
i dont really care what can be proven it court or not, I just want to know FOR SURE if Urban really issued over 400 billion shares...I just find it hard to believe someone could be that duplicitous, on such a grand scale...as a LONG I'm still gonna give the company the benefit of the doubt...
this is more a personal referendum on my ability to discern through pink sheet bull sh*t than it is a question of Urban's character or moral compass...I consider my investment in this company the cost of learning a lesson if I am infact wrong.
my take on the otcbb O/S number;
what we know so far -
1) last known O/S was 40 bil( i think)
2) company said they were retiring stock
3) company dismissed the 400 bil number PUBLICLY
4) Melvin state PUBLICLY that we were not issueing shares and have been retiring them
So, what we have here is a "who do you believe more" type situation.
Personally, I will believe the company for now BUT -
IF that otcbb number is true than we have all been lied to and had in one of the greatest stock scams in history. IF the O/S is anywhere near the A/S than Urban and company are nothing more than scum to me.
I hope for Urban's, Melvin's and even Roger's sake that number is nowhere near the OTCBB number. Does Urban have the balls to issue upwards of 400 billion shares and consequently LIE about it in PRs about share retirement and statements by the company's IR man refuting a high number, to thousands and thousands of shareholders?
All I can say is - I hope not
watching BEAV here;
if it breaks 10.00 it looks like it'll keep going, if not look for it to retrace...
it sounds like a fairly generic answer...which is to be expected when you call up customer service
bottom line...if there is a short they wouldn't tell you anyway, it would only make them look bad and exacerbate the problem...
yup...it will definitely be interesting, naked short or not...
I personally believe there is a naked short on this stock and I think an O/S under 300 billion should prove that...IMO of course
that may be true but I'm sure their supervisor has already been briefed on what is 'appropriate' for them to say regarding cmkx or any other stock with for that matter.
honestly, you don't need certs. Your broker is responsible for the shares in your account, even if they are naked short shares.
I've spoken with people from freetrade, a division of ameritrade, and they are very careful when approaching the cmkx issue. I find it strange that they were so certain the shares are real, because quite simply THEY HAVE NO IDEA. They are simply going on the word of the MM they used to purchase the shares...
The only people that know for sure are UC, Roger Glenn, the DTC, and those whom are short...
haha
First ask yourself; what MMs does Ameritrade use for its order flow?
I think their biggest is NITE, the MM that is rumored to have a large short position.
Now if NITE pays you to send orderflow their way and its your responsibility to pay shareholders if NITE has shorted this and will not cover would you want to make this public information?
All that would do is draw more attention to this stock, which would create more demand for the stock, and make it even harder for anyone who is short to cover. Not to mention problems it would create for Ameritrade if they came out and said they think there is a problem with one of their Market Makers.
Broker/Dealers need MMs and MMs need Broker/Dealers...if one's in trouble you better believe the other is gonna try to bail them out...
Not saying there is a Naked Short, but all evidence in the penny arena as a whole points in that direction, so when you are told by someone, who may be complicit in a crime, that its not going on, you need to really question their motives and the conflict of interest it creates...
interesting read...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/columnists/chi-0203040011mar04,0,4056353.column
- I geuss a picture truly is worth a 1000 words... LOL
looks like another tough weak ahead with the new terror warnings...
any opinions on a short here on BEAV @ 10 with a stop/loss a little above the 52 week high @ 10.25
fundamentals don't warrant 10$/shr and there seems to be some solid resistance @ 10
haha
but seriously though; you agree with the Al Frankens and Michael Moores of the world?
I respect your ideology but those guys are merely propagandists and rhetorical pinheads...
Al Franken!!!
are you nuts? There is a reason why those crazy liberals have such pathetic ratings on radio...
come on now...
SO...do you beleive Roger Glenn is complicit in the scam or he's too dumb to realize?
YES or NO
so what's Glenn doing in Saskatchawan this week?
Putting the finishing touches on this pump & dump?
or is he helping them add a few more 'shells' to the game?
maybe he's going to write up some more PRs (which include his name) that are complete lies?
or maybe he's going to steal the 19.7 c. diamond that shore found?
You & StockPatrol just convinced me: THIS MUST BE A SCAM
Answer me this... Is Roger Gleen complicit in a pink sheet scam in your opinion? yes or no? Or will you argue he's so dumb that UC pulled the wool right over his eyes...
I mean look at this pathetic resmume:
Education
University of Florida, School of Law
J.D., with honors, 1980
Executive Editor, Florida Law Review Order of the Coif
Florida State University
B.S., cum laude, 1976
Bar Admissions
Florida
New York
Notable Experience
Roger was involved in the $600 million acquisition by a major telecom company of corporations and limited liability companies holding FCC licenses.
Roger represented another major telecom company in a cash tender offer and the $450 million outstanding high-yield debt of an acquisition target pursuant to a change-of-control indenture provision.
He was instrumental in the acquisition of an Austrian wireless telecom company with $1 billion of assets.
Roger handled the successful takeover of an insurance company by hostile tender offer.
Roger represented a telecom company in the issuance of $200 million in Senior Notes in a PIPE transaction.
Recent Speaking Engagements and Publications
The Going Public Sourcebook,co-author, a guide to the initial public offering process and ongoing reporting and other compliance obligations of a public company published by RR Donnelley Financial.
Corporate Responsibilities of Public Companies in 2003, author, 2003.
Before Edwards & Angell
After college, Roger practiced as a Certified Public Accountant on the audit staff of Deloitte & Touche in Miami. He began his legal career with the Securities and Exchange Commission, where he conducted investigations for the enforcement division.
HAHAHAHAHA....The man began his legal career conducting investigations for the SEC...ya, you're probably right, he couldn't spot a stock fraud if it smacked him in the face...
what a joke
hahahaha stock partrol....are you serious??
The guy who runs that has already been convicted of securities fraud, and its well known that they are full of sh*t. Everyone knows what they do, and why they do it...
why do you think they keep putting out the same recycled stories day after day?
L2 seems different this morning...our friend is missing from the low ask...
wow, watching the bids drop one by one with almost no selling pressure...
looks like NITE is high bidder now...could they make the shake attempt any more obvious?I geuss they think if they pull the bid and leave one MM on the inside(NITE) the longs will panic and sell...
NITE seems to be picking up quite a bit of stock here @ .0004
lets see how long he stays
that may be true...but it doesn't explain why JEFF would want to make his selling so obvious
investors have asked UC and Melvin a million times about JEFF...don't you think after the first couple shareholders made mention of it he would have made a phone call and said soemthing to the effect of - "are you a moron? sell it quietly and get the hell off the ask"
and you can't talk about a time frame - the promoters make their own time frame...I mean JEFF has been selling for almost 2 months now...
I know you think this a scam, but either way I'll be satisfied with the investment. Investing is only a series of risk/reward ratios; what we have here is a bet that is laying a huge reward for a relatively limited risk...when you think about it, how much more can we lose? we're only 4 hundreths of a cent away from inexistance as it is.
so you beleive someone is bidding .00035 - .00039 and then some big seller is dumping into those bids? they would have to be bidding over .00035 because a trade under that would show as .0003
and if someone is bidding .00038 wouldn't that bid show as .0004? and if not wouldn't all the shares being sold push the bids back? I mean the MMs love to pull their bids very quickly with this stock to take it down...if not for covering than for creating a larger spread.
ok...so you're telling me that when there are 10 market makers lined up at .0003 and there are 10 market makers lined up at .0005 and there is one 'special' market maker sitting on the ask at .0004 and almost every single trade is going across at .0004 you don't think that those trades are buys up at the ask? Sure, they use the 5th decimal on Level 3 but that is rounded when the trade comes across, so even if JEFF is offering .00038 and posting .0004, if some one comes along to buy at the ask they will really be getting the .00038 shares (their broker's MM keeps the .00002) and it comes across as .0004 on the time & sales...therefore its a buy. What were those 2 billion shares coming across in blocks of 50/100/200 million today @ .0004? If those 2 billion shares were sold into the bid of .0003 this thing would have easily moved back to .0002 x .0003. The MMs that bid this stock don't absorb alot of shares; 50, 100 mil max. Those blocks were being purchased anywhere between .00035 - .0004 and were hitting the ask, of the one MM that can sell that amount easily and not budge...
There is no way to get around the fact that JEFF is selling alot of stock and doing it very noticeably. If you were dumping shares you wouldn't have your MM work the order like that; you probably wouldn't even post on the ask, just sell into the bid and let the demand for the stock push it to higher levels where you would make much more money. This is too obvious for someone that's dumping from the inside or is 'in on it'. It would just be extremely stupid of them...I mean if they went through all this trouble of setting up one of the best stock scams in recent history, even fooling Roger Glenn himself(I'll post his resume or client list if you'd like),then why wouldn't you put a little more thought into the most important parts of the scam - the dump?
i agree...
if he is shorting he's probably doing it for a hedge-fund client... I think he does have an order to fill, but the way he's selling is very peculiar...
wouldn't you agree that if you're pumping and dumping you would want to make the dump as quiet as possible?
and wouldn't you also agree that JEFF is making his selling ridiculously obvious?
life...can't respond to PMs
so here's the link:
www.titangold.com/CMKXMap2.jpg
how much we payed for GEMM -
26,726,042 O/S as of 2002-02-22
x/(26,726,042 + x) = .25 or %25
-so- x = # of shrs purchased 8,908,681
$500,000 = what we paid / 8,908,681 shrs = .056
so, after todays trading for GEMM we actually bought in at a discount
New O/S = 35,634,723
there goes another 250 million
yup, that puts us at around 1.8 bil for the day...over %50 of the volume is being bought in large wholesale blocks...
I'm dying to buy another couple mil here...just have one of those feelings
anyone notice the last 2 prs have been during trading hours? and everyone one prior was after the close...
Today's highlights:
1) Shore Gold, which our claims border and surround, has found a 19.7 KARAT DIAMOND in a batch that totals 230 Karats. THIS IS HUGE: 19 f*cking KARATS, thats the size of a ping pong ball...lol
2) We now have a part of JUINA mine which has economically viable gold = Revenue
3) There are large wholesale blocks being bought at the ask totaling about 1.7 billion shares or %50 of todays volume
4) JEFF is still doing what he does best
more blocks going accross:
@ 13:02:03 - 150 million
@ 13:10 - 100 million
that brings the total of wholesale trades to about 1.7 billion shares or about %50 of today's volume so far...
correction to the map
debeers is the red border
shore is the white
and cmkx is the blue
another interesting theory;
a couple days back I was reading a post from RB I think, and it was a theory about DeBeers & JEFF... at first I thought it really wasn't plausible but now thinking about it and what has been happening recently It seems to me that it may in fact be quite viable.
The first assumption is that JEFF is working on behalf of DeBeers
Remember, months ago, when this was in the basement JEFF was a net buyer of this stock and seemed to have picked up a large number of shares @.0001 or below. Why would JEFF be buying all this stock?
1) It was not for playing the spread or in an effort to 'make a market' becaue he was a net buyer, therefore he wanted shares for some purpose.
2) He was not buying for his personal account IMO... because what reason would he have for owning a large chunk of a stock that's being cellar boxed and naked shorted into obvlivion...when JEFF was buying not many others were and this company didn't seem to have much going for it.
3) Therefore, he must have been buying for someone, just like he is selling for someone now.
What if, Debeers wanted CMKX diamonds
1) We are the largest claim holder in the region
2) Our claims are directly surrounding the debeers property: Debeers has the red border, shore the blue, cmkx the white
3) We have numberous magnetic, and recently discovered non magnetic anomalies that are very promising
4) Debeers realizes this is one of the biggest Kimberlite formations in the world
5) Debeers is currently trying to limit aggregate diamond supply throughout the world so as to control prices
6) There iss a strong relationship among all the JVs up there with one goal in mind - take Debeers market share
7) There are CMKX anomalies right along the border of Debeers property that have alot of promise
8) Urban was rumored to have stole these claims right under DeBeers nose
So what if Debeers wanted CMKX diamonds and knew they had issued no more than 100 billion shares(the A/S at the time) and it was trading @ .0001
50,001,000,000 * .0001 = $5,000,100 to basically buyout CMKX and all their claims...
Now Urban starts to see whats going on and starts to think - "IF Debeers wants our claims there must be something big in the ground up their that they're worried about." So he decides to fend off the hostile T/O by raising the A/S to 500 billion and issues 251,000,000,000 in treasury stock/restricted stock/insider options. At the same time Urban realizes he needs some big guns to handle situations like these. So he hires Glenn who specializes in securities law and corporate mergers/acquisitons.
It's around this time that Debeers realizes they don't have a shot at a hostile so they need to "dump" their shares. They realize the stock will run and have no problem making a huge profit on their investment, even if they can't have the 1.4 million acres in claims. So they call up JEFF and tell him to DUMP at whatever price. This would explain a couple things:
1) The urgency JEFF has to sell his shares at ANY PRICE and not the best price, which if it was an insider or a pump/dumper selling would try for the highest price.
2) The fact that JEFF is trying to hurt us with this selling. I'm sure if DeBeers was in fact selling they'd try and make it as painful as possible for one of their 'competitors.'
3) The fact that JEFF began selling alot of shares after the Glenn announcement and continues to do so
4) The size of the order that JEFF is filling: It seems to be atleast 50 billion so far, a number similar to what DeBeers would have tried to acquire during a hostile
5) The statement Melvin made saying that the company is not diluting and is still buying back shares as far as he knows.
All IMO of course, but interesting none the less...
some nice blocks being bought(or so it appears):
@ 09:32:51 - 100 million
@ 09:38:18 - 50 million
@ 09:48:21 ~ 40 million
@ 09:53:15 - 200 million
@ 09:59:45 - 50 million
@ 10:04:39 - 30 million
@ 10:35:18 - 200 million
@ 10:35:21 - 100 million
@ 11:09:06 - 80 million
@ 11:20:24 - 50 million
@ 11:20:48 - 150 million
@ 11:40:09 - 40 million
@ 11:52:18 - 50 million
@ 12:06:45 - 75 million
@ 12:07:06 - 200 million
These are all trades occuring at the same time with every trade but one being in 9,000,000 form(the 1 that isn't is usually a share amount that rounds off the block)
This could be a couple things:
1) BS trades between MMs
2) Large scale short covering
3) Wholesale buying
Come on - 3 different orders for 200 million shares each, this is definitely NOT retail...
haha...ya imagine the # of calls they must be getting
if i was the secretary for that trading desk I'd be going insane...
I initially though that but now I'm not so sure
I kind of feel that an offer between UC and any short MM's would have been done privately through a tender and not on the open market where such actions could be viewed as price fixing and/or manipulation...
JEFF just seems ruthless in his selling and selling and selling. Almost like he wants to make us hurt.
JEFF has gotta budge sooner or later with this kind of beating:
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another day in the world of CMKX:
over 2 billion shares traded already, almost every one @ the ask, and the bid actually weakens with other MMs jumping up to help JEFF at the ask...
anyone know someone who works at Jeffries or another firm trading CMKX? I'm dying to know what they know...
anyone want to start a pool on when JEFF will run out of shares and/or leave the ask for good ?
first JEFF has sold more than 40 billion...
he's been on the ask since June 4th, and he's been on the inside all by himself for I'd say the majority of the days between then and now. We've probably had daily volume of 5 billion, with quite a few days up around 10 billion. On an average day the # of buys/total trades is probably around %70 and the majority of that volume is from JEFF sitting alone on the ask.
I mean the day after the Roger Glenn announcement we did 20 billion shares...
JEFF is selling ALOT of stock....and an order like this is not a mouse click away, this is a market maker 'working' a trade. He is the conduit between the seller and the market and he does what he's told(unless of course its his own 'inventory' he's selling). When someone comes to a MM with an order like he's filling its ALWAYS a quiet order, as in he doesn't want to make it obvious that a large amount of stock is for sale. Why would someone selling alot of stock, alot more that 40 billion shares, make it so obvious?
was just thinking about this whole JEFF thing and something came to mind:
If, you were running a stock scam, and you were gonna hype the stock by issueing a string of positive prs(like what we have seen in cmkx) u would begin dumping your shares(most likely purchased through offshore accounts and complicit broker/dealers)into the remaining strength from the hype and then begin to close out your position at the highest price available.
1) JEFF has not done this; he's been holding strong on the ask for weeks now, I remember the day of the first run after the Glenn announcement - it jumped quickly to .0006 x .0007 where JEFF just sat on the ask, the same when the diamondiferous news hit- it jumped quickly over .001 and JEFF just sat on the ask again. Now if you're a pump and dumper you will always let the price run because you have the inside to when the news will come out. Now if Urban was hypeing with those 2 big PRs why would he sit JEFF on the ask of .0007 on the first day when he knew the next big pr of the diamond content would run the stock well over .001. Simple, you wouldn't - you'd let the price run up to .001 the first day and as soon as the buying picked up from the second PR you would sell into that strength. Scammers are greedy by nature - why would they settle for less than .001 when they knew it would run much higher.
2)If I was pumping this and I then had to dump a huge block of shares how would I do it? Would I have my broker/MM sit as the only ask for weeks at a time selling 10's of billions my shares?
NO... I would do it quietly, very quiety, especially with the magnitude of whats going on here. Why would I want to make it extremely obvious that I have billions of shares to sell...why?
Why not quietly have a MM sit on top of the inside offer and sell at the ask that way while using the same MM or possibly two or three others to very systematically sell into the bid so noone watching L2 can see who is selling.
3) JEFF is making it very obvious that he's selling alot of stock and it all seems to be coming from one place. Why make yourself a targe, why seem complicit in a scam, why let this type of 'bad publicity' surround yourself.
Honestly, If i was to run a pump/dump of epic proportions, which would be the understatement of the century if this is infact illegit, why would I make my actions so obvious? Why would I make it look like I'm dumping and why wouldn't I try to sell my stock for the highest pps I could get?