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Take em-- You're very welcome.
I'm talking the 0001 game. Show me a 0001 stock with volume that has less than a 500 million float? A 0001 with billions in the float will never make you millions for a few hundred dollars, sorry.
Hey, it's not like you guys got reversed out. That would be a royal screwing (it'coming though).
You get most of your money out and learn a few things along the way about this racket.
You are all sad you didn't become millionaires for a few hundred bucks. Well, that don't happen folks. Takes money to make money.
Invest to make money not millions and you'll invest in better companies.
Hey, I'm an expert!
...how do you all think this will play out tomorrow am? Any chance of this heading north?
Believe it or not you never know. Would not be surprised to get a PR in the AM. Stranger things have happened. Look for a high volume day tomorrow with spikes to 0002.
Good day to take some money of the table in my opinion.
Miami--
QUESTION:
Why would the CEO keep current with the latest report unless there was good news to come.
ANSWER: You're right. But the good news is only for him. He is keeping his ducks in a row for a huge reverse split.
was not my friend....
I gave a great piece of advice here. I'll say it again. Stop thinking you want to make millions and look to just make money. You will weed out the dogs and not get hurt.
If you want to make millions, be prepared to invest real big money, not hundreds.
FROM NO BULL HERE
OS went from 21B to 72 Billion in one quarter.
HOLY SH*T
They do not even have a line of operating credit.
All financing is thru EXTREME dilution, you handing them your money.
Still want to bash me.....
Float is not revealed at first glance. must be about near OS as I have said all along.
still want to bash me....
Take-- don't underestimate to attraction (and fantasy) of owning millions of shares and doubling your money every tenth of a point.
Now add is a clever CEO, a company (even if it's in a garage with no money) claiming to be in a hot sector, toos in lots of fluff PRs and an uneducated (about pinkland and SEC/FINRA rules) public all wanting to be rich and you got a money making machine for the company. Happens every day.
Here's a typical example. Joe Blow sees a company trading at 10 cents and pulls up a chart. He see that within one year, it's low was 0001. BINGO, JACKPOT. He just plays all these 0001 hoping one will hit. After all, he just found one at 10 cents that was 0001.
What he does not know is to find out the share structure at 0001 and how it changed up to 10 cents. Almost 100% of the time the shareholders in at 0001 with a massive float are reversed out. Share structure is the key.
TAKE EM'-- you make some good points. And I'm glad you see through my bashing that I offer some insight into this racket. That said, I just will address one point about transparency.
As long as the company controls that feed of info to the shareholders, there is always reason to be distrustful. That is why I harp on lifting the gag on the transfer agent which many companies actually do. The TA will not lie. Not only do you get the share structure that is accurate, but MOST important you can easily surmise when the company is diluting. If the company issues shares, the float goes up dramatically, news is then released, the pump is in and volume spikes. Just follow the float.
That is why companies that constantly dilute can make a fortune at 0001 and they will NOT lift the TA gag.This does not mean you know who the players are and specific details, but you can get an accurate picture nevertheless.
I never invest very much into a company that has something to hide.
Repsycho
<It's idiotic to ask questions that can't be answered by anyone outside evfl>
LOL! Of course it's idiotic, it's a public company...get it...HELLOO
Any company worth 2 cents makes that info avail to all.
LOL
Repsol: Here is a valid response...
What's the current float?
What's the current A/S?
Answer those simple two questions and I'll go away.
I'm waiting....
lostallyourmoeny-- i'll take a whack at your insightful points:
MY response in CAPS
LOGIC; lets for a moment consider the logic of holding the financials until Monday.
Four days of heavy trading (Holiday starts friday) upon a release of financials Monday instead of this past Friday. This next week may just be very interesting indeed. I would expect some PR of significance shortly after the financials are public. If financials had been released Friday then you would have two days of cooling off before trading resumed which the effect would have slowed down the appreciation in the pps. Strategy working in our favor.
COOLING DOWN FROM THE HOT PRICE OF 0001 (LOL)
YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THIS CEO. YOU HAD THE RIGHT TO EXPECT FINS FRIDAY FROM HIS OWN WORD AND HE LET SHAREHOLDERS DOWN. YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE ONLY YOUR FANTASY.
Now for the opponents of this stock: blah, blah, blah. Sorry I get enough negatives in other aspects of my life, don't need to repeat it here.
THE OPPONENT AND BASHER HERE APPEARS TO BE THE COMPANY ITSELF AND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND SUPPORT TO SHAREHOLDERS. WE BOARD BASHERS ACTUALLY EDUCATE MANY ON POINTS THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
Lets talk about greed; why is it that there are so many bashers of this stock? The truth is their are bashers in almost every stock; they are created by greed. Let me explain; for the majority of people who trade penny stocks they are not considered investments but instead they are traded on a daily basis if not more often to profit in, we can all agree thats how pennies are played. So when you have a stock that doesn't allow those to flip for profit; they become a basher of the stock, simply because greed takes over.
IN PINK WORLD TYPICALLY ONLY GUYS MAKING PRIVATE DEALS TO BUY DISCOUNT STOCK FROM COMPANY ARE FLIPPING IT AND MAKING MONEY. (IMO). YOU REALLY HAVE NO CLUE HERE.
It is not often you can find a decent investment
at these levels. For those who are not familiar with the meaning of investment; it is an issue of long term not for profit but instead steady gains over time. We here who are long have done our DD and continue to see this particular company as an investment (long term), now it stands to reason some people are longer then others, some have greater tolerance and stamina for an investment.
17.5 TO 25 BILLION FLOAT IS A DECENT INVESTMENT. A PSS THAT DOES NOT RISE WITH 15 BILLION SHARES TRADED. YES YODA, TEACH ME MORE.
Message to bashers; you can't change the way we investors view this stock, company and management; we are investors in it not flippers of it. Your postings here have no weight on our decissions to stay in or get out of this stock. So save yourself the anxiety and save yourselves get out and move on; stop trying to save us investors, your not doing me any favors. I have been trading and investing for many years and every month I have some that go south and some that I profit and all are of my own decision not influenced by what you might have to say.
FALSE. MANY HERE HAVE SOLD AND GOTTEN OUT OR WILL WAIT FOR AFTER REAL NEWS OR RS OR BUY BACK OR ANY REAL INFO SO AS TO MAKE A SOUND DECISION INSTEAD OF SPITTING IN THE WIND.
Message to believers: don't respond to those of different opinion only because they wish to force their objectives on you, Don't give their need for greed the satisfaction. It only eases their anguish of their own stupidity and incompitence. It makes them feel better about thier own decission and most are incapable of deciding for themselves and once having made a decission need the support of others. I only respond when the arguement has merit, is logical and makes some sense and that is not found here.
LEARN HOW TO SPELL FIRST. NEXT UP, WHAT IS THE CURRENT SHARE STRUCTURE HERE? RIGHT..YOU HAVE NO IDEA...HOPE YOU BUY MORE.
GO LONG...LONG GONE THAT IS.
Yes, this next week will be very interesting indeed and I for one look forward to it.
YES INDEED!
You're only talking to the hand here. Watch 'em all cry later.
Muffy
Sorry, your post was sad. Listen to the casino guy-- he gets it.
When you're right you're right.
Diary--how many shares did you scoop up today?
Before I bid you all a good night, I pose hte following? All IMHO.
Where do you think all these 0001 shares that are sold everyday are coming from? Not the average Joe investor who at least wants 0002 to get out. How can there be sooo many shares for sale at 0001? Hundreds of Millions every day.
Well, what if you had a printng press and can issue shares at will and sell them at a discount every week. Say 1 billion shares for $75,000 every week. You make 75K and your investor makes a sweet 25K every week. NICE racket
Now here's the beauty. The investor is the only one selling and corners the market cause all you shareholders want to become millionaires. And there are bus loads of million dollar dreamers every day.
You guys are getting schooled to death. Only after you all get fed up and word gets out and the volume dries up will this get reversed out. If you guys are willing to hand over your money, why stop.
And the biggers supporter here will become the biggest cry babies when it happens.
LMAO to where it hurts
They never announce a RS, you just get frozen and find out too late. Sho is completely right. A RS will wipe you all out. But believe me, CEO does not need encouragement from here. Sorry, but RS is all but a certainty now.
Check level 2 as there are 50 sells 0001 for every one 0002. This is about liquidity at 0002 which it ain't even close.
Not accurate. (for pinksheets.com) In the filings for the quarter that post the share structure for Quarter ending, but under company information they should and could post current structure.
You can always find an excuse to hide info. If, as a public company, they want to be transparent, it's easy as pie. And they can lift TA gag too.
When you hide it's ALWAYS because you have something to hide.
TODAY'S DEADLINE: There is no SEC rule for a non-reporting company.
They can post tomorrow, Monday or never regardless of the posted extension. BUT-- what is at stake in shareholder confidence, which is barely hanging on by a thread. They announced that they anticipated posting today and if they had a sliver of concern for shareholder sentiment, they'd post. But like I said earlier, they do not want a stock massacre when reality sets it.
Also Pinksheets.com is not a sanctioned SEC body. It is private and pinkys post only for credibility.
The real truth. Aside from the 0001 (dreamer's price) and the sector of the business, there is no reason to invest in this stock. Unless, I'm missing something, the CEO appears to have no track record except screwing investors, the company fundamentals are horrible and the share structure is designed to not gain any price movement to liquidity. Is anyone here investing based on the team and structure in place? Show yourself, there has to be one of you. All in my humble opinion.
THAT'S A WHOLE $3400 investment. Wonder of the bank ran out of money. I guess in lala land that's a big investment. LMAO
I think it's pretty easy to predict. If they continue to have an awful, despicable share structure thats bloated even more, they'll file EOD to avoid a Friday massacre. Or not file at all and drop down to stop.
If they did a bit of restructure management, to throw a microscopic crumb to you shareholders, they they file by noon.
My prediction: file EOD FINS and they do not update share structure (to today) or release gag on TA and drop to limited/yield.
I don't know how you guys stomach all this volume and no price movement. Well, tomorrow is D-Day for FINS as well as update on share structure. Everybody, except you few in denial will know where management is at. I'll give my analysis and maybe if the numbers kick-ass, I'll buy. LOL
Mp <what was the A/S, O/S, Float on this stock when it traded at .0004???
MP-- Not too sure you'll get that answered. Seems share structure is not a priority here. Sorry for reverting to my bashing ways folks.
Crusader-- These companies often fool you youngins' with words like:"authorized a stock repurchase".
Us pros know the difference between a PR stating authorization and actual implementation.
Implementation and actual buy backs are a great PR. Show me that one.
LOL
Jeremy-- After further reflection, I will reply to your nice post. Having corporate experience in pinkland as well as, as an investor, I fully understand the risks at this level.
But, here is the distinction that is lost on may of you here. You say you are willing to take the risk. If so, that risk should be with the industry, sector, business, CEO, all involving business execution, game plan, business plan and all other factors in building a business. This risk I believe is worth taking if you believe in it. Lets call this hotel room 1 that you think you are in.
But you are actually not in 1, but in hotel room 2. This is because of the share structure. You can have a booming, sexy business here and never get past 0001 or 0002. It is commonplace for a biz like this to fund it's early days off your backs, and then restructure when the news gets hot. All WILL be forgiven with real news and growth.
That is why I preach coming in at a little higher level if you believe in the company. You get past the restructure and see growth. Stop thinking millions and think making money and you will do much better.
The buy back will make the difference if there is no RS. But again if the company was doing a BB, in my experience, they'd PR it. It's great news. Within days, all will be told.
Jeremy-- a compliment... that's it I quit. Now my rep is ruined!
Folks here say, I'm too negative and say I should buy. OK then...If I buy at 0001 it is good to know if with all the billions of shares traded, that you can make a few bucks at just one tenth of a cent uptick.
So far no one has said they sold at 0002. So won't I be stuck at this level as well? Seems so.
If that is the case, logic says, I wait to see if buy back is legit and if it has an impact on trading, liquidity and PPS.
If there is no buy back, then logic says, wait for RS and real news.
Do you guys agree?
just curious. anyone here ever sell at 0002?
Not my point. EVRM can't be accused of putting out fluff or generating PRs. They are obviously conservative in putting our PRs. My point is that there is nothing wrong with an occasional letter to the shareholder, a website update and keeping a sliver of an eye on the shareholder sentiment. Missing the posting of FINS would have been a perfect time for a tad of communication.
The market responds to more aggressive PR campaigns and more communication with shareholders. Still not a know stock IMO. Sym needs to be more aggressive with us.
On a positive note. Company did file for an extension for financials. That is a good sign that they will follow through. Lets see the details and perhaps there will be some good new there. We'll see...
You mean I can get in sued for wanting a PUBLIC company to divulge its float, O/S AND A/S. If you read all my posts, that is always the message. Transparency and ungag the TA.
Conversely and UNBELIEVABLY by you are DEFENDING the company for clamming up and NOT being transparent which are both paramount in the world of investing in public companies.
LLLOOOLLLL
This keeps getting better. If "they", those driving by have deep pockets then "they" probably have some business savvy. Hence, their deep pockets. The savvy part of their business acumen would indubitably lead to the first tier of their DD before investing: transparency, share structure, dilution etc,. before concluding that one never invests based only on a billboard in a stock that is hiding all the real news and structure. Contrary to your remarks, only inexperienced folks or lottery players folks invest in this dog. LOL