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Please provide your medical / healthcare background and degrees as well as any journals you have published in so that I may research them .Those who argue about testing and protocol and methods, contradicting researchers in this case (NNVC) need to prove to investors that they have the appropriate experience to back up their statements.Thank you.
The FDA has a network of respected researchers that they rely on.Dr.Harris is one of them (in the case of virus infections , especially Dengue).It normally takes at least 18 months to "worm your way"through the FDA for drug approval.
My research and sources inform me that a PRV with the FDA will "shortcut" the process to possibly 6 months.
Dr.Harris didn't just sign a testing agreement with NNVC , she signed an R&D agreement with them.
The tests done in June were a resounding success resulting in survival of 50% of the doomed mice with no toxicity reported.That has never happened before.(She , BTW , designed the mouse model to be used).
In this "quiet" period since,she is now working with NNVC to tweek and bring the therapy(Notice I'm not using the terms vaccine or drug)to as close to 100% efficacy as possible.
Her journal article could take 6-12 months before it appears and the journalists jump on it and the stock is off to the races.
In the meantime when the tweeking is done her approval clears the way for the FDA to grant a PRV which could easily occur before the journal publishing.The FDA doesn't have to wait for a journal article and also Dr.Harris , being the humanitarian that she is would certainly want to assist in saving lives with this therapy as quickly as possible.
If I may , let me "kill a few birds with one stone".It is now 4:30PM Monday.I just got home and logged on.The afternoon NNVC "soap opra" was a heated one.
The whole afternoon , in my opinion , was totally wasted.Dr.Feelgood was doing his best debating someone who has a "one track mind" and is "beating a dead horse" regarding mice.
I've learned long ago that if someone does not add Value to your life (education , confidence , support etc.),pass them by.You can't argue with people who just argue all the time.
Dr.Harris is the preeminent researcher that the FDA relies on regarding virology , especially Dengue.If she wants to use earthworms for her research and has good reason for doing so , she has the credentials to back it up.Earthworms , chickens , orangutans , mice , zebras , penguins etc.It doesn't matter to me if she has a valid use for them and can back it up.
The one arguing with Dr.Feelgood is in the wrong forum.He/she should be arguing in the Journal of Viruology and with Dr.Harris.If He/she can win that debate then I'll listen to them.No P.H.D.? Don't bother me "here's a quarter", call someone who cares.
My next post will answer your question as I went long on this one.
That's my take.
You are missing the whole point of the progression of NNVC.All these issues (HIV , Herpes , etc) are and have been on a slower track since 2008.Yes there are some test results dribbling in but the company focus has shifted to Orphan diseases and the FDA PRV's.Do the research and you'll find that NNVC is on a much faster track than you think.
Thank You!
Clairify your language.He didn't say nerve cells but nerve roots.Also remember the virus has to "leave" the hideout to go rob the bank.That's where and when they're vulnerable.
Excuse me but we're dealing with nanoviricides in the blood stream.Not cells.Immune reactions are not in play there.
I can't quote him exactly but don't confuse what he said.They're also working down the road on getting the "cides" to be able to work into the nerve roots where "it" hides.They're not there yet but they ARE working on it.One thing at a time.Never say Never.There's a vast wasteland filled with the "bones" of old sayings that "you can't get there from here".I've heard it all.As far as I know no one here is a PHD let alone an MD. When they show up I'll listen to them.Until then I'll follow the science,management(who are more qualified and reputable) and the money.Spare me speculations also.
Profit starts and ends at the "cash register".The companies you mention may be making a profit only because there is NO Competition . I'm sorry but I will side with the larger firms who don't wish to participate.If there was good money in it they'd all be in it.Remember the old axiom "follow the money".
I may be wrong here , if so , my apologies.If you look at the vaccine industry over the years , you would see that , say , back in the'50s'there were vaccines for all kinds of diseases.Now even the flu vaccines each year are always in short supply.Why is this?In my years in the pharmacy profession from '72-'93 vaccines and availability were continually diminishing.
The inside information at the time I believe holds true today.
Vaccines never really were money makers for the companies involved.They were always considered as "loss leaders".
Also , because of the growing lawsuit mentality, it was becomming too risky to market a product that would lose money and then get sued on top of it.
In the case of flu vaccines being in short supply each year it is because most companies don't want to make them.
Roche and others may R&D them and if effective also go for a PRV with the FDA.But manufacture and distribute them? I doubt it.
They will probably license someone else with brass kahunas to market them and deal with any "fallout".And with that prior history , "GOOD LUCK"!They will have to have very,very deep pockets.
Look at the flu vaccine market for comparison.Now that we've been chasing the flu with vaccines , it mutates and then we have to come up with another vaccine for the new strains.
If the Dengue virus behaves in the same fashion then we're really going to have a problem.
With NNVC's approach the virus would have to mutate away from the method it uses to attach to the target cells and once that happens it has lost the ability to attach period.
If anything , I would see the market getting larger not smaller.
You're right.I see that some stem cell companies like ISCO and BTIM are making rapid progress in their product development and distribution channels especially in Asia as well as ISCO in Europe. One pharmaceutical company that I am following has already gained approval of their cancer drug in Columbia which has a reciprocity arrangement with many other "latin" countries.They just shipped their first commercial order to Columbia already.
The enemy never sleeps and neither should we.Thanks for your thoughts.Constructive thoughts are always very valuable,as are yours.Keep it up! Highest respects , Keltoi.
I could debate that with you but in the case of NNVC and other emerging companies , I think you'll find that the FDA, like other regulatory agencies,tends to "protect" the established entities they're supposed to regulate by making it more difficult for new technologies and drugs that threaten the status-quo.Look at ARNA's weight loss drug lorcaserin.A few weeks back , while phase III human trials were taking place,it was noted that the huge doses used in the rat trials produced a .2% higher incidence of cancer.That is well within the statistical margin of error and the drug should have progressed.(weigh that against the decrease of cancer and other diseases (diabetes , etc) from the resulting weight loss) by this drug.The "weight loss" Pharmas must be breathing a sigh of relief that the FDA "protected them".
Bottom line , the FDA really doesn't care what it is they will still decide whether to approve it or not.The approach that NNVC is taking with the orphan disease cure through Dr.Harris' lab is as close as you can get to "almost" side-stepping the FDA.Do that a few times and sell the PRV's and you have all the finances you need to go in any direction you want.
Highlite prevention , alleviating , and modification of a physiological process.
That's what the definition "was" before NNVC.They may have to rewrite a new definition now.Remember vitamins are not considered drugs even though they are used like drugs.
I would say medical device is probably closer to the truth.Drugs are used to affect the body in one way or another.Either to cause the "body"to do "something" or to cause something to happen to the "body".NNVC's therapies don't do either one.They only affect a virus in the bloodstream without "invading"or allowing the virus to invade the body.In terms of warfare,think of the body as a castle and the bloodstream is the moat around the castle.Think of drugs as weapons for hand to hand combat and "cides" as longer range weapons like arrows , spears or even modern rifles.When a besieging army ( virus , etc.) is outside or in the moat it is vulnerable to long range artillery (cides)which prevents the army from breaching the walls (cells)which would lead to hand to hand combat from house to house (drugs).That's my view of it.Your thoughts?
Not to add to the confusion but the dosage and delivery method leads one to think it would be a one time treatment .That may be fine in the lab but maybe not in the real world. I'm sure there are a lot of people who wouldn't have immediate access to physician care and would have to self medicate. I know NNVC is pursuing a skin patch delivery system and with that method it is conceivable that all 4 "cides" could be present in a quick delivery patch where you could change , say twice a day for 2-3 days and therefore maintain a continuous flow of all 4 "cides". Even if the "cure" was within 24 hours , I would want to treat it like an antibiotic therapy and continue for a few extra days after the cure to prevent any possible rebound. So instead of a large dose all at once , a lower continuous dose over a period of time.Does that make sense to you?
I posted this twice to hopefully get the point across.There is a lot going on behind the scenes.There are strict SEC regulations about the dissemination of information and "what information" is provided from companies.Also the keeping of information from adversaries or competitors has it's benefits.As much as we would like ,timely info from companies 3 times a day every day isn't going to happen.We'll get the news when it is safe to release it.Remember sometimes ,No news is Good news.
To Whom It May Concern.People hate change.Look at the transition from the horse and buggy days to the automotive age.People who had a vested interest in raising and selling horses as well as those who made and sold buggies did all they could to squelch the automobile.People who were invested in oil lamps and gas lamps were against the electric light.Even the military ground forces were against the newly emerging air force.All in the spirit of "saving" their jobs , or interests and investments. The companies we're dealing with now (NNVC,ISCO,BTIM,PRWP etc.etc.etc.) are what is described as "Constructive Destructive" technologies.They will destroy and replace existing technologies.Think about it. There is going to be opposition.People with vested interests are going to try to de-rail the new technologies. They have influence in congress , the FDA and countless other government offices and they are going to try to protect their interests. NNVC , ISCO and others know this and they are going to proceed forward strategically avoiding the minefields laid by the owners of the "Old Technology". NNVC is brilliantly avoiding the minefields with this mindset and will reward it's shareholders immensely.REMEMBERyou can't run through a minefield.It is a inch by inch progress. We have a winner here(Mr.Prez.hear this) Let the warriors negotiate the battlefield , NOT the politicians and sideline quarterbacks.Respectively Keltoi
OOPS! Sorry about the typo.Hadn't had my coffee yet.Did you or anyone else hear the presentation by NNVC at the Rodman Renshaw Confererne in NYC?
I spoke with Dr Seymore yesterday and referred to some of the "depression" some here were dealing.This was his reply.(I'm waiting for another reply as to where one can get the NYC transcripts) He Said " waiting for a radio interview to be published which I can then share with everyone
Also, the transcript of the presentation in NYC was available for anyone to listen to!
I'm developing some new initiatives for improved communication but with the severe SEC restrictions, who knows what will be approved!" Dr.Eugene Seymore
I'll let you know when I hear more , hopefully this afternoon when I get home from work.Keltoi
It has been said."It is a wise virtue to remain quiet and be perceived as a genius than to open your mouth and remove any doubt".Constructive critisism followed by constructive suggestions are always desirable.To edify and build up and educate others is the prime objective.All else is ego related and is vanity.Choose your words wisely , once spoken you can't retrieve them.
Before I turn in I have to address your post.I realize all hubbers have the right to B.tch because they've been here for 50 years and "newbies" need to shut up until they start growing moss.I've tried telling people about the Priority Review Voucher as well as the shift in their approach to the FDA game and the length of time involved in peer reviewed journal reports.Thats the way it is and all I can say is if that upsets people then sell off and move on . Otherwise , if you believe the science and have confidence in the management then settle down and let it jell.It's going to do what it's going to do ,with you or without you.
Well said.Also consider this.Why would big pharma really want to help anyway? They'd only be cutting their own throats as this technology will devastate their "traditional" product sales as well as pipeline drugs and their existing technologies.In fact NNVC needs to be careful as big P may pressure the FDA not to be favorable to NNVC.Its a minefield out there and NNVC knows it.
I'm not a "premium" member.Send me a PM with your email & I'll get back to you.
I did have a feeling you were a "female of the species" but wasn't sure.I'm in Maine and I have to turn in early for my job so if you don't hear from me tonite , you will tomorrow.Keep your sense of humor.No humor makes for boring people.Kindly Seamous.
You're a riot. Glad to know you . Your my kind of guy.Send me a private message with your email and let me give you a suggestion.If you need to check me out (for security purposes) check with Dr.Feelgood.He has my email and knows it is good.I would never spam or BS anyone.Just like to share what I know.No "hidden motives" , "What you see is what you get".Seamous P.S.you might have fun with this.Remember I'm just as invested in NNVC as you all are.
My best guess would be to follow the money.I'm assuming it probably involved being able to raise the huge amounts needed to clear the FDA (in the Cox article remember him saying the FDA is likely to protect big Pharma's interests and this class of drugs will be devastating to big Pharma).That's not to say their original plan was flawed but instead that this way makes it much easier and more cost effective.
Thanks.A few days ago , before I jumped in the pond here the mood here was somewhat somber and depressed.I just wanted to present some info and insights that seemed were being overlooked.And some people posting seemed to enjoy throwing the doom and gloom around trying to get people to give up and sell or at least start drinking heavily and take antidepressants.I am subscribed to a service that updates me each week on the companies in our field of interest , including NNVC.If no one here is using that service then that would explain some of the moods and frustration expressed.Hopefully my posts will help to lift some spirits and provide some new insights.
Yes it is.If you read it carefully it should clairify things such as why the other products are so slow in comming and the company "redirecting" their focus.As you read you'll see that in 2008 a law was passed regarding the FDA and Priority Review Vouchers.When that happened , NNVC saw a totally new way to get past some of the hurdles they faced comming up (Getting their drugs through the FDA minefield)costing lots of time and money and more money grubbing grant requests , etc.By fast tracking their Dengue cure they will be able to generate the funds they need to move their other products through the process even faster.
Sorry to confuse you.I've been with P.Cox for a year and NNVC for about 8 months or so.The 3/24/article was submitted to help clarify things.I recieved my copy of that report on 3/24.I found NNVC after I signed with Cox regarding another company (ISCO) and a couple of months later he alerted me to NNVC .The recommended buy date was circa 11/9/2009 @ $.90/share but I didn't have the money to work with yet.By the time I did it was steadily climbing and I bought in @ $1.60/share.I've since averaged down on the dips and now I'm at $1.23.
At the risk of ticking off mkendra , again I just pulled that article from a website that already copied it and put it "out there".Does that make me guilty of copyright violation by sending what is now public knowledge posted on another site? I don't think so.And , yes there are other reports about NNVC by Mr.Cox.If I find them out there I'll just refer you to them in the future.Otherwise I'll update by paraphrasing myself.Good enough?
Its already out there on the web.Just search Patrick Cox , FDA Loophole and take your pick of sites showing it.
Assuming you received my attachment does it help clairify some things?
Yes I am.There is a little "hype" in some of his writing but he has been very up front about the potential time frames as well as the volatility we're all facing here.I'm a little fuzzy on how to transfer text from his articles to this site.If someone could assist I'll give it a try.
I understand you completely.(I'm not a premium member here so I'm limited to 15 posts/day).As I said earlier they put the "drug development plans" on a slower track to focus on the current approach that they are now on. I found NNVC through a premium advisory service provided by a very well respected technology stock researcher.If you care to send me a private message with your email I would be happy to send you his write-ups and updates.He covers the entire history and background of the company and also of note he is not allowed to own shares in the companies he recommends to avoid conflict of interest issues.Hopefully they will help to clarify things better for you.If you're not comfortable with that I understand.We'll figure something out.Sincerely Seamous
Don't get me wrong , I'm not on kool-aid and I'm not counting my winnings yet either.I'm just confident with what and how they're proceeding.As for the Tox package I can't answer yet.Tests haven't revealed any dedectable levels of toxicity.Which makes sense because the therapies operate in the blood and not at the cellular level as other therapies do.