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One thing we absolutely know...with both sides sitting down to work out that prejudgement interest, I highly doubt either one is going to appeal this. The government probably thinks this fits in and gives them an "out" later on down the road when they announce a release.
Yeah, you numbnuts hate being called out for your bull crap. Why are you here? Word is you don't own squat, so either you're a paid shill or a paid shill. Which is it? Lol
That's what I have been trying to do. I get caught up in the partial context quoting that the idiot does. He's doing that on purpose just to be argumentative. Obfuscating and leaving important stuff out when quoting news or others is a very political tactic many use now a days, to hide their criminal ways.
He's very a-nal.
Boy, dumb as a rock. You were wrong replying before and you are wrong now, but go ahead and argue with yourself if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy . Ha ha
Oh! by the way. Jmho applies to every letter in this post nimrod.
https://www.cybersmile.org/what-we-do/advice-help/netiquette/examples-of-bad-netiquette
JPS club breaking most of these considerations
Dajester, KT wants you to respond! A lot! It gives him more leeway to argue with you while avoiding using the full context of your previous post. Below is an etiquette for message boards, many of the JPS break these rules, especially the first one, when "quoting people" if you can call it that. They'll pluck three words out of a 5 sentence statement to focus an argument against you. Just to cloudy up things for others here.
https://www.cybersmile.org/what-we-do/advice-help/netiquette/examples-of-bad-netiquette
It would be great if they did the right thing! Everytime they do crooked crap, the law of unintended circumstances seems to bite them and us taxpayers on the keister, viciously.
LuLe gonna need a really cut man! He can have his trainer skateboard, and water bottle boy KT
And now conviently you avoid your initial attack on my "quote line", lol. That is a liberal move. When losing an argument, hurry the heck up and change the subject. And AGAIN, you pull a tiny snippet from a much larger contextualized statement by me.
You aimlessly attacked a perfectly fine quote without understanding it, now you misdirect to your excuse for being primarily JPS.
I have 10k JPS, for far different reasons than yourself. But you are avoiding backing up your attack on my quote. In my lifetime, people who knee jerk react to try to prove themselves right by using sharply edited, redacted pieces of context, are not intellectually intelligent enough to be giving anyone advice.
Well. After this Sweeny huge waste of time fiasco ruling it would seem that all the courts are saying shareholders can not sue the government, since we had no investing relationship with the government prior to take over, but only a relationship with the companies, prior to the governments take over laws. So going after the government, no can do, since they only took over with no due relationship with investors, even though they fraudulently usurp our rights.
It would seem that a group needs to sue the heck out of the former BOD for siging away the company and those rights. Make them spill the beans on the whole shabang take over. That's about the only thing shareholders could do to convince a judge, definitely convince a jury. But....what kind of legal poison pill did the rat-bass-terds (under Bush) make the BOD sign? It would be great to have that agreement, you'd think we should be able to get it with an FOIA request. Maybe a lawyer could?
If a good lawyer can prove mafia like collusion on Hank P., Tim G. Whoever else's part, that would do wonders to expedite us back to normal.
It says TELL people what they don't want to hear. It does not say the people being told have to accept it as truth or that they even have to listen. Lol. You can blab all day, but just because people see through your BS doesn't mean they are denying your right. BTW, something you should consider...fraud speech is not a protected speech in this country, so if you are desparately trying to sell folks here a bill of goods by passing your opinion off as fact (like many JPS folks do), then you are absolutely being fraudulent.
You guys twist in the wind like flags LOL! Being vocal and using your freedom of speech is fine, but if you are wrong, or a bullshyter, then those with their own freedom of speech will definitely tell YOU what you don't want to hear. You take a very socialist liberal view on your speech. You think everyone needs to hear your voice and opinions, as far as to try to pass them off as fact. Those opposing you are pointing out that there is more than one way this gets done, way more. Your current thesis has many holes in it, this is why you are doubling down and getting shredded. BUT, it is everyone's freedom of speech at work.
Really read that quote of mine and understand it! Especially the part that says I may disaprove of what you say, which you conviently left out (more intentional BS partial context games) Hoping you have an Ah-ha! Moment, but not holding my breath. Lol
Lol, true.
I'm not denying you your right, no one is. We're all just pointing out how wrong you are and how useless your posts are at trying to convince many here, but as I said before, you just keep showing us how special your ignorance is, keep shining the light on that sunshine.
Pretty soon those here will give you the seat next to GB on the JPS short bus🚌.
Well....get going finding a good cause! You've wasted much time on the poop posts.
It's the defecation conversion cram down, Mr. Hanky dung award. Trying hard to convince us, deserves recognition!
GSE's to da moon at release! Lol
Read the end of that post idiota! It says in caps JMHO. Do you know the meaning of that? Do you?
This is you're biggest flaw and red flag, you cherry pick things to try to verbally abuse, beat down people to massage you're own supeiriority complex or ego. But all you're doing is showing people you're deep narcissistic personality flaw and biased opinion.
I posted that message as a rebuttal to someone else, so also try minding your own business, your no expert about me or my opinions, or anyone elses, and your responses are pure garbage because you purposely leave context out. Try to shoot for responding to the full context of what a person states, that's the intelligent thing to do. All you're doing is argumentative baiting clap trap, based on tiny snippet quotes of sentences pulled out of context.
By the way, if my post is not to you directly, it is not your job here to be responding to my posts on anyone elses who do not require to hear your endless, useless, cherry picking rants. No one elected you the board chairman, or caller outter. Why? Because of your dishonest out of context posting.
This is also JMHO
Please quit being a moron and replying to others posts that are not to you. It's like you are being a weird self invited, intrusive third person on a date, no one wants that, nor your intellectually challenged out of context thoughts.
Ooooh but let's give the current idiots in charge another 4 years and more rope to hang us! Treasury not being able to sell debt to the market brings back that old Margret Thatcher quote to mind, about socialism and running out of other peoples money. It's happening with treasuries, soon to spread. Soon, the GSE's will have more credit worthiness than treasury and the whole government.
If I ever see a buck from this ruling, definitely will buy more FNMA.
Thanks imbellish
I don't believe it's possible to deny an adjudicated case that has been decided by a jury. It's called justice denied.
SOMETHING DEFINITELY IS UP!
Who gave ya that idea?????🙄🤔
Please explain this pref annihilation? Did you not inform Mr. Market he is dumber than you?
Lol, lol, with what? His kite? Or did he get his allowance?
Maybe Obudsman?? With a big horn, of course.🤨
Doesn't matter. The justice department is NOT the law of the land. They are in enough trouble with the current admin. The justice department has lost to SCOTUS many times in the past 3.5 years. You have been asleep at the wheel. Just pushing your fantasy as if it will be reality is going to get you called out constantly.
You're bordering on stupidity and desparation.
And that's where they open the worm can to many new law suits. Not to mention a bigger investor may get a high court to put an injunction.
You are dreaming though. They'd hurt the value of everything they own.
Ever since this jury ruling was inevitable, it would seem the government instructed their MM's to reduce the price of all the pref's relative to the award amount??? Very strange how the pref's have all racked up loss and freddie common has gone no where...The difference between FNMA and FMCC appeared also after the ruling, no? It is now holding 0.04 to 0.05 cents, which miraculously is the award amount, no?
If Rick used his whale horn on them, maybe he could romance them better than Bradford? Just an idea. Does rick know whale horn mating calls?
Ha ha ha, lol. The European stuff they grow and smoke must be potent as heck! I got a feeling it's just dried cattle/cow pie from the field, much like LuLe's theory.
Boy! That's really going to smart with the capital raise, conversion pumpers, lol, lol lol. Hindes speaks the truth, much like I've been also saying.
Great find Navy! For all you do...thank you.
That makes zero sense, since volatility would be in an upward direction, which means stock price appreciation, which means more capital. Why would they prevent capital?
You mean you're hoping they stop trading so they can announce a JPS conversion so the JPS can benefit from the price increase. The truth is, they still think hedge funds are far to leveraged in the JPS classes, and they will not do anything to benefit them. The government, if smart, will let the market work and not interfere. They announce a minimum capital level and all the JPS hopes are bust, except a future dividend and the hope they increase in price along with commons. But as I said before, the value in JPS being tied to a firm dividend will drag on the price of JPS. I own 10k FNMAS, and I only have for this jury verdict and then a dividend. My shares came at $1.60, if that class gets a $1 payout, then I've only paid 0.60/share, with the potential for a dividend and/or appreciation in price. I did not buy for fantasies, but rational logical reasons. I own 260k split between FNMA and FMCC, because the mareket will chase those shares faster and higher at release, of course, depending much on what gets announced.
That's not a counter argument. It's a consideration that may or may not materialize.
My own personal quote: it's very hard to make someone see the real light while they live behind rose colored glasses.
That is why the governments actions on this, right or wrong, will determine much more than the fates of the GSE's
Murphy's law ALWAYS applies.
They rarely ever halt stock movement upward on good news, due to law suits, however, on very bad days they will halt trading, for the same reason, law suits. It has to do with that greed is good philosophy of the market. Sooooo, I think you're confused?
Let us know when you've out smarted millions of investors ( Mr. Market). Lol
There is a logic in the saying " markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent"
Sounds like you are planning insolvency??? Like others we know, lol.
Lol, lmao! Uniroyal tire! Always loved passing that as a kid, on the way to my aunts place in Belville. Memories
Thanks for the backup!
Yes it does! People have not forgot government bail outs of various companies, and are getting sick of it. This CONservatorship is the biggest fraudulent fiasco of the century. Those who understand the history of this know the government has not acted responsibly or legally in 15 years!