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Globetel Inc is a Canadian Co. per this link:
http://efile.mpsc.cis.state.mi.us/efile/docs/15068/0012.pdf
tx rewehapi2003....nice to see what we have been envisioning through these years so clearly illustrated on that site, even if it isn't sanswire. The vision has strength in the air, if only the people on the ground can make it happen.
Border security news (bolds mysteriously appear as if by magic)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23382776/
The Bush administration has scaled back plans to quickly build a "virtual fence" along the U.S.-Mexico border, delaying completion of the first phase of the project by at least three years and shifting away from a network of tower-mounted sensors and surveillance gear, federal officials said yesterday.......................................................................................................................................................................................Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Friday that the department will "take elements" of the pilot project and apply them elsewhere, but that it plans to expand the number of mobile ground surveillance units from a handful to 40, and to double its fleet of three unmanned aerial vehicles. Boeing has offered DHS a $2 million credit from the funds it has already received.
Technology at the border is "not necessarily going to be in the configuration of P28," Chertoff said, adding that unmanned aerial systems in particular "will play a major role" in most border areas.
No Globetel, no VPN de Mexico, no No Mas Cables, no Sanswire, no Trimax, no Hotzone. Nothing at all happening in Mexico these days.
The higher contrails are ice particles caused when the contrail water droplets freeze. In this way it transforms into a simple high altitude cirrus cloud. They taught me that in high school earth science class many years ago. Some people don't pay attention in school then they have to make up outlandish explanations for what they observe in the world, like in the dark ages.
The lower altitude trails are water vapor, not ice because lower is warmer. These quickly evaporate which is to say that the liquid, condensation droplets return to the vapor state.
It is true that the persistant cirrus clouds caused by contrails increase the earth's albedo and decrease the amount of energy that reaches the earth from the sun, but we don't hear much about that these days because it runs counter to the popular climate change theories of the day.
Like all cirrus clouds, the ice does eventually return to the vapor state, but without passing back through the liquid, condensation phase in a process known as sublimation. More from earth science class.
hmm...I see no one has connected the dots with the pending satellite shoot down. There really aren't any safety issues (the odds are tiny it will hit anyone and the fuel disperses quickly). No, this is about testing the systems that shoot it down rather than safety, imo. After all, how many times does a drone of the caliber come streaking down the pike? Anyway, it takes more than a ship and a rocket don't you think? It takes some 'up close' tracking to properly zero in on that hyper-sonic flying piece of garbage.
A well placed stratellite could acquire and feed the kind high resolution data that the rocket needs long before it's close enough to acquire the target for itself. When it comes to resolution, closer is better no matter how you slice it, so if it was properly located, it would beat anything on the ground or even elswhere in orbit since a stratellite would be relatively stationary.
Hey, it's Friday night, what can I say?
Future phases will include the unveiling of the stratospheric vehicle...
uh oh, they're using the 'u' word again.
edited: "...and are working toward completion of Sanswire-TAO GmbH." Wasn't the deadline for that the end of this month?
Sure looks like Mexico. Block wall construction, stucco like exterior finish. Probably some chicken wire in there somewhere under that finish. Tough to punch through all that with wi-fi, hence the window unit in one of the other pictures. I remember something about problems with penetration. Don't know if that meant market or building. Probably both.
Perhaps Trimax is just sticking it up there because Globetel's too ill to do anything about it anyway, or they could have rights to use it in marketing if I remember that wonderful contract that they had (have?) with Globetel way back when. Can't be making any money for Globetel or we would have heard. What good's a link without a network anyway. So it serves as a hardware marketing fixture for Trimax, apparently.
Honestly, those pictures look exactly like what I imagined as the worst case scenario when the Jv first broke. Aging equipment that was never used gathering dust on the side of or on top of a rundown building in a far away place. Kind of spooky.
It would work on a stratellite, too bad we don't have one. Ho hum.
Do you actually know what this was for or are you just picking up on somebody else's assumptions. It could have been the stuff from Palmdale to Germany, for which there would not have been a product cost since it was not announced as a sale It could have been for NMC although the import records posted on Mexico's web site only show two 07 shipments in May and June that it seems as though would have shown up before now if not paid.
So I don't believe anybody on this board knows what it's for or what it means, although there appears to be some who are apparently mistakenly acting as though someone on this board does know.
Here are the two pdf's showing something was deficient about the shipments. Not clear if more followed later that made it through, but somehow I doubt it since it is never wise to give Globetel the benefit of a doubt.
http://www.aduanas.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2007/Padron_Importadores/2007/Junio/Rechazados_22junio07.pdf
http://www.aduanas.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2007/Padron_Importadores/2007/Mayo/Rechazados_25mayo07.pdf
Not really questioning this, just saying that perception of success in this endeavor is not necessarily required on the part of interim financiers, neither would they object if it did succeed, but of course none of us actually knows what they are thinking and we are free to assume as we will.
Agree with the notion that this is signaling a green light from the SEC. Getting to this milestone was first before actually spending the money on finishing the financials. One could say that getting the other impediments out of the way was in fact "working on the financials" in the sense that failure to get over them would obviate the necessity of ever issuing the financials anyway.
Disagree with the notion that the interim financing would only come if the financier thought there was great commercial potential. The potential need only be share price volitility. This can happen on the basis of promises followed by disappointments.
All that is really needed is a quixotic CEO willing to earnestly go after the impossible and fail. Oh, and investors who believe, of course. Nothing more by way of successful commerce is actually needed. Maybe nobody would ever take these kinds of risks if actual commercial success was the only potential for payback. Trouble is commercial success becomes secondary to working the hedge, which is a lot easier anyway.
So let the games begin again.
All imho.
This SEC info is good, but more along the lines of maybe plugging a hole in the hull as opposed to raising a new sail. So perhaps today's buys were shorts covering like rats running backwards onto the ship.
Rhaps..that was the most interesting thing posted in weeks. I thought your response was salient.
One thing though, if he owned shares why so consistently negative for so long? I guess it could have been a short term position that he's exiting from, but why would he have ever bought, especially if he has an inside track?
Anybody can make a mistake (I did) but this one just doesn't make any sense no matter how I look at it. Must not be looking at it right. Not the first time.
rwehapi2003.. thanks for the info.
Some obviously did see it as possible. I do clearly recall however, that others did not believe the revenues for even one second. While they could not have produced the information that would have confirmed their suspicions at the time, they were 100% correct in questioning the veracity of the revenues.
Perhaps they were smarter and more experienced than I was.
For those who saw the black lines on the video broadcast from SAS-51 and thought it was caused by something on-board the airship, watch this video and listen to the remark that is made about the 'black lines' on it. The scans of the image generating device are not 'in sync' with the scans of the video equipment used for the story, hence the lines.
http://www.king5.com/video/featured-index.html?nvid=205525
The other image degrading phenomenon that is in evidence with the SAS video is the drop-out of the video and that is classic multipath from the signal bouncing off buildings and coming into the receiver 180 degrees out of phase with the direct line signal, causing temporary cancelations of the signal. You get the same thing on the fm radio in your car when stopped at a light and it gets fuzzy. Pull forward a few feet and it goes away as you move your car out of the null. In this case the airship is moving causing the nulls to travel past the stationary receiver.
...furthermore, it may have been important to move the LOE inland, away from active operations at sea(TW08 or otherwise) because a 100 mile range testing of Navy electronics might have unintended consequences and/or outright interference.
I think it was the Navy that once opened all the garage doors in the San Fransisco bay area by accident.
.. but now it's only speculation.
While you argue over a dubious assumption concerning seafaring operations, and the aftermath concerning inland water features, a non-assumptive point is spelled out in the pr concerning the relative value of the LOE vis a vis TW08:
"The LOE seeks to demonstrate a ... telecommunications package ... that would have a range of transmission of up to 100 miles....The prior experiment that was envisioned for TW08 would have limited the maximum range of transmission to six miles."
I don't know or care if it is over land or sea.
I do know that 100 miles of communications range beats six miles any day of the week.
You could be right of course, but of course you could be wrong.
I've seen Navy offices that are firmly planted in the ground.
Also, I believe Navy pilots practice their aircraft carrier landings between paint stripes on the ground before they go to the risk and expense of booking aircraft carriers to prove their training.
It's not clear that they must be at sea, especially since we do not know the itinerary.
Nerd.. the PR does not refer to a test at sea. Where did you get that?
For those predisposed to a negative interpretation of everything Globetel, they naturally assume that the LOE alternative Globetel has PR'd is inferior to the 08 Trident Warrior exercise.
DD posted on the topic tells me that LOE's can occur in the context of a variety operational development initiatives. As such it appears to leave open the possibilities that the LOE option could be either a superior or inferior opportunity for Globetel as compared with the Trident exercises.
I do have the suspicion that at the time they applied for the TW exercise, the package Globetel put together may have described airship capabilities that are not consistent with the recent TAO videos, and the Navy may have backed off on their commitment to Globetel on that basis.
But by the same token however, the recent TAO developments may have hit a sympathetic nerve that caused an accelerated shift in the procurement process.
Context is everything.
One must be a mind reader to know, which leaves one with the option of gambling. Luck hasn't been with Globetel, as I see it.
It would be nice if the company could clarify this since it is a vital question. In lieu of said clarification, the conservative approach is to assume the negative.
All imo.
One good thing, somebody is working over the holidays!
Much of my frustration this morning was because I figured everyone at Globetel was taking holiday time and probably thinking they were entitled to it. Not the case. At least someone over there gives a damn about this company.
Whether or not we ever get out of this, I will be happy to buy Jon a drink of his choosing.
Meanwhile...I'll be nursing my kool-aid.
Lou, good post. It's a disgusting situation no matter how you slice it. Never have so few done so little for so many, while doing so much for themselves.
Happy new year. A new year coming, and more of the SOS.
Crash..nice. The whole site is stunning. Top echelon, no jive.
our vision sucked. not practicle with inept leaders.
now we got a new vision. good, let's make money.
lack of sync on the recoding equipment causes the lines. The intermittent drop out that has that phhht sound looks exactly like multipath as the ship moves around and siganals bounce off the buildings over to the receiver. A higher quality diversity antenna fixes that.
Obviously these are all easily fixable problems.
Crash, to be totally honest I had forgotten about that statement when I posted it.
Probably they were describing their intentions with the words and then the pictures that were added later represented a change in execution and a disconnect. In other words, a mistake.
Now we see the wording changed and the video of the flight. So it wasn't like the flight didn't happen and they were faking it, which it appeared to be after you added the metadata information into the mix. The metadata is interesting and is something that I did not know about.
We are painfully and rightfully hypersensitive to anything this company puts out. They know it, we know it and that is how it is going to be until this company has some profitable miles behind it and can stay on track with something.
Yes, it flies around like that little solar hot dog in Colorado that was on utube.
All the negatives will quickly be forgotten if we can sell some merchandise.
This has promise.
yes...I put it into an editor and now I see what you mean. Good find.
Technically parsing the words in the PR (yes it is old and tiresome, but it might account for the lack of an official response from the company regarding the al-ledge-d ledge issue) read:
"Still photos and flight data gathered from the airship are available at www.sanswire.com."
"Still photos" can be taken as being separate from "..flight data gathered from the airship..."
It doesn't say the photos came from the flight, it says the data came from the flight, which can be interpreted as only the graph that is on the site. The photos while apparently taken that day, are "still photos", nothing more.
Remember that the qualifying, deniable, statements came (in good faith, no doubt) from posters on this board.
The above does not account for one other possible discrepancy though. The PR says a 13 lb payload. I assume this would be on the exterior of the blimp and on the underside. There is nothing visible on the underside of it. Plausible explanation: the payload was mounted after a preliminary check of the SAS.
So, there is a way out of the mess, as usual. But it's always mess after mess after mess.
It's a coping on top of the parapet of the building. You can see the epoxy fill where the fasteners are holding the coping down and you can see the joints in the coping.
You are demonstrating and inability to "cope" with reality.
just a little humor there to lighten the mood.
no offense intended.
That is the one scenario that works, with the added caveat that the handheld was pivot mounted and took two very quick photos in succession before and after a change in the pivot angle.
A ground video showing the blimp in that position relative to the ledge, with payload functioning, would put a happy end to this ugly episode.
telephoto lens
video stills
screen shots of the No Mas interface.
problems with penetration
Someone mentioned depth of field. As I understand it, if the ledge and the buildings are in equal focus then that can mean two things.
1. It was taken from the roof with a small aperture (deep depth of field relative to overall distance) and with corresponding sensitive light settings.
2. It was taken from very far away with a large aperture (to stop motion) and the depth of field, while small relative to the overall distance, was still deep enough to render both ledge and buildings in focus.
Crash may wish to weigh in on this.
A video would clarify.
Edit: Just remembered: the two angles in the two pictures however, place the camera on the roof.
Yes, I pledge to ignore the ledge.
May the stratellite fledge,
and give investors an edge.
amen.
and fm.
try the fish. (from Happy Days)
This company deserves no patience. They have kicked crap out of, lied, and deceived shareholders. If they now get kicked "while they are down" (if you call being caught with your hands in the cookie jar being down) then they deserve a few extra kicks. (think Robert DeNiro)
There, that feels better.
Now go make me some money, Globetel.
There is much read into 'licensing'. Perhaps the full extent of the licensing is fully demonstrated, namely a banner on the side of someone else's blimp. This may or may not lead to some great and wonderful four corners of the world mega deal.
Why do I feel that the banner video is the most that will come of it?
Mide,
5. "...the sales license and the 50-50 solid contract...."
6. "We will not know about the first until the second is completed, because if the first is announced the SEC would view it as a "solicitation" and the funders and the company do not want that perception at this time. This is a very private group of valued investors doing this apparently."
Aside from the SEC considerations it would also be a basic business interest on the part of the sellers to limit their exposure by making the second precede the first, or at least to make the first contingent upon the finalization of the second.
Looking back on the practicle experience gained through the stratellite fiasco and especially the lack of knowledge regarding FAA restrictions, specifically the logistics of getting something flying over the U.S.; if I were the FAA and someone wanted to put airframes up there where they could fall back down, and leave them up there for a year or more, I would require testing along the lines of other standard procedures having to do with consumer products and building systems. That means real time duration and environmental simulation.
Picture this, a facility housing an environmentally controlled wind tunnel. I'm not up on this kind of thing so one may already exist, but the tunnel would need to be big enough to hold the prototype, have a closed loop air circulation system that could be ozone rich and whatever else would be the atmosphere in the stratosphere, have a bank of UV rich lighting fixtures inside, and have an air chilling system, possibly cryogenic, that would keep the temps where they should be. Then park the prototype in there with all it's navigational systems active and let it fly in there for 12 months or more. Whether or not a low air pressure system with real air speeds, or a scaled down airspeed at normal air pressures would be required would be a function of whether or not the helium system would be adequately tested by the normal air pressure approach.
At any rate add in normal temperature and lighting day and night cycles and you would be able to develop a proven system that would not require a leap of faith for public safety.
That is what I imagine the reality of getting a stratellite flying is and if it hasn't happened, it probably needs to. Obviously way over and above anything that Globetel can achieve, but fun to think about anyway.
nerd,
"Everything in our gravitational field falls at the rate of 32 feet per second per second. A rifle firing a round at muzzle velocity 4500 feet per second would have a drop of about 32 feet on that 6000 foot shot."
If the drop is 32 feet then the flight time is one second, per the acceleration of gravity, assuming it starts at a level trajectory. There are 5,280 feet in a mile so the muzzle velocity of 4,500 feet per second would require a flight time greater than 1 second in order to travers the 6,000 feet. So unless you were assuming a perfect trajectory slightly more vertical than level at the start so as to net out to a 32 foot drop from apogee, as opposed to the starting elevation, then I'm afraid I don't understand your statement.
Obviousy, all of this ignores the potential intervening effects of wind, rain, snow, gamma rays, gravity waves, and of course, blimps.
I do agree that the whole discussion is better left to it's own devices, so don't feel compelled to respond.
I'd really like to hear of some legitimate revenues. As it turns out this is something that I have been unknowingly waiting for years for. Shame on Globetel. Shame on me.