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The kind of vernacular used here to big up this stock is exactly the same as one can find on half the stocks in the OTC. Have a look for example at $BOPO, $SBES, $AHIX, $SHMP. They all say it's the best OTC in 20 years etc. etc, blah, blah. My concern is that this stock has already moved up 100's of percent from its' lows. Anyone buying down there already has extraordinary profits. Current price is highly risky for those of us who entered above 0.07. I'm starting to wonder about this now as the 10K will not be stunning and the future ramp of the share price is highly dependent on the corporate actions and a continuous flow of positive 8k filings. Where are they? The price is starting to downtrend. Any bad news will be a highly negative catalyst imho. When are management going to say something positive? Too many plays in the OTC and pink sheets in particular, have the same old BS being said about them to try and pump the stock. Why is VYST any different and when will we see that reflected in the pps, or has the move from the .000's to where we are now been the real parabolic rise and we're about to see a tank back below. 05's and multiple bag holders? Too much rhetoric not enough substance here for my liking and that's worrying!
yes indeed if I can put my ego to one side as has been suggested.
Good to know Doug. We all appreciate your efforts and knowledge on the subject in hand.
k thanks again. You know what you're doing, I can see that.
Agreed and thanks for the contact.
BTW, don't they have an IR company for PR and the like?
Agreed, so kindly don't vilify me.
But seriously, too strong a word btw tell me where I have done this:
"speak or write about in an abusively disparaging manner."
What I am saying is, if not prepared to help, there's no need to reply at all really is there?
PM me Blue Oar email then.
Note carefully Doog, I'm in a position to do this company a great service and given that this could lead to an exponential increase in business (and Asia regional business too, which is significant given that this is the central hub of rubber production in er....the entire world), perhaps if you want to reply even at all, you might try being just a tad more helpful.
We're all busy people right? We all get hundreds of emails in our inbox every day right?
Thanks for the comments but I'm not some d**k head pretending he knows s**t when he doesn't. I actually know s**t! So, unlike 99.9999% of the people on this board, I might well be able to do something that aids the growth of this company IF (and only IF), their patented technology is all they say it is.
On the other hand, if it isn't, and that's the reason for the dodge, well that's a whole new ball game now isn't it.
So let's pressure test the theory together shall we?
Thanks so much!
I wonder why, when I emailed Greg and tried to Linkedin with Steve about the opportunities for this technology in Malaysia, they both completely ignored me:
Sent 2/4/19 The linkedin request with Steven was ore recent?
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Dear Greg,
I’m a shareholder in your soon to be Acquired company Vystar and noted that I had not seen anything of your product offering Vytex, in my neck of the woods, Malaysia.
Since part of my business interests are in Natural Rubber, I wondered whether you are (or might be interested in) targeting this market, which is by far the biggest global supplier of Latex rubber Gloves in the world. Indeed, the region as a whole including Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and Vietnam all are large-scale Rubber producers who (having toured many rubber producing facilities) could undoubtedly employ your technology to good effect.
Perhaps have a look at the following websites which would give you an idea of the enormous potential for your tech here in Malaysia.
1) http://www.topglove.com/
2) http://www.supermax.com.my
3) https://kossan.com.my/
4) https://hartalega.com.my/
5) https://www.comfort-rubber.com.my/
6) http://www.rubberex.com.my/
7) http://www.careplus.com/
Top Glove is by far the biggest.
Here's the local trade body:
http://www.margma.com.my/
Stocks are all traded here locally on the KLSE
Anytime Vystar/Rotmans want to get into this market, do please get in touch with me.
You can also easily check my credentials on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattxxxxxxxxxx
Call any time if this is an opportunity of interest to you.
Very best regards,
ME BA (Hons), MA, MBA (Warwick), MIEx(Grad), FInstSMM
Mobile: +6012xxxxxxx
Which ws what I thought. Assuming Vystar get the shares back and they don't crunch them, we're in the same place anyway aren't we.
I'm sorry if this sounds a touch simplistic, but why would EMA pursue a lawsuit for what amounts to a few measly grand (being the difference between $72K and $90K approx if I am not mistaken). Equally, why would Vystar be so determined in their efforts to fight the case and not just let it go. Unless.....and again call me a dunce if you like, but isn't this all about the number of shares EMA are entitled to?
That being said, frantic attempts to ensure on the one side, that they hang on to the extra shares and on the other, that they revert back to the company, can only be good for shareholders right? Companies don't fight protracted legal battles over worthless shares, especially when you consider the costs of doing so must be 10's of multiples of the actual damages involved here?
These shares must be gold no?
Yes and Mod please also post the first Audio interview here. The one you've posted from a few days ago says absolutely nothing new, which means 3 months and no further forward, indeed, they are only now, delivering the units promised back then.
https://wallstreetanalyzer.com/2019/01/28/natural-shrimp-inc-otc-shmp-ceo-interview-series/
Peter (god bless him) is not an employee of NS (the company you are invested in). Peter's Fake Book posts are part of the problem and if he does use Twatter or FB to continuously send happy family messages, holiday snaps at events and pictures of his pet shrimps, then this ticker is going to persist in a downward spiral.
Peter, quite frankly, needs to stfu now.
NS have engaged the services of an IR company.....this one man band:
http://www.eandecommunications.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulknopick/
Let them use it to try and at least appear, to some small degree professional and something other than a cottage industry stuck in the back of beyond.
Part of the problem for the board members here is that some of us have been here for more than 2 mins. If those that are now joining late to the party, were to do a teansy weansy bit of reading up, they'd stop making silly suggestions like having Peter comment on anything at all to do with NS. That's part of what skewered the price in the first place.
Sorry but I think you are completely confusing the management of a business (and therein long term shareholder value) with the manipulation of the share price.
At this point in time NS "Management" (and I use that term reservedly, as I don't believe they have an ounce of business acumen between them, being farmers and ops guys) have no concern about the current pps (at least they shouldn't have) and here's why. The (Long Term) pps is governed by the performance of the business. Of course we all know that short term it's governed by the ebbs and flows of P & V action in the market and therefore at the mercy of the MM's, Day trader Syndicates and High Roller flippers and con merchants.
But if you're telling me that the company is (at this moment) concerned about the fact that the share price has seemingly collapsed from near dollar highs, to the downward spiral of back below ten cents and trips, then they will be doing all the wrong short term and myopic things to try and rectify that situation and it will fail.
What they need to do is concentrate on the mechanics of the business, finalising proof of concept, getting a serious management team and BOD together and bringing a good quality and competitive offering to the market (whether that be through product sales, licensing and JV arrangements and/or other derivative revenue streams commensurate with their business operations and core competences going forward).
If they do all that, then the pps will take care of itself.
If however, they do as you suggest and act in accordance with doing what needs to happen NOW to move the pps higher, that's short term thinking and this stock will continue to be precisely what it now is, a day traders and flippers counter that occasionally will spike and become (as they say) "a runner" for the P&D merchants to play around with both ways.
If they have plenty of acreage, how much is the land worth?
Mate, you think what you think, I think what I do. Neither of us needs to insult each other's intelligence.
The real master here is the market and the pps. Look at it today and over the course of the month. Then we have "sell in May and go away".
This is an overvalued ten cent stock now, at best imho.
Agree entirely, nothing to add except, they always sell down immediately after too, hence the reason companies usually calibrate them on the high side to offset the inevitable dip in pps on split day and still remain compliant. Often this means at least 25-30% over egging the RS to counterbalance the expected drop post spit.
such as?
hallelujah, people are finally starting to catch up.
I see we have a new harvest of investors here who simply have not read up on the stuff posted here weeks and months ago where I (and some others) have already stated THE SAME THING.
If revenues are now given as up to 12 months away, this stock is worse than back to square one, because you'd need to listen to the adio given by Bill prior to the latest one.
so,
1) 2 trade events
2) No HR
3) No elite BOD
4) ZERO INVESTORS (who's going to.....now come on)
5) Due to 4) more toxic finance necessary and sought to cover cash burn up to the projected first revenue stream 12 months hence
which means......NO BUYERS
How can there be they don't have a product to sell for the next 12 months
Doomed guys and girls because by then, new tech will have superseded them.
They blew it folks face facts. They might make nice tasty shrimp for a small group of tourists, but as a commercially viable operation, total and abject failure. Perhaps they need to revamp the business model as a tourist attraction because as a business, they're gone. Competitors will tweak enough of the Patent to get the same or better results, quicker and without breaching the terms. This is sub 10 cents within the month barring a major catalyst.
RUN!
There's also been talk of a 5:1 ratio RS, but even at that price it would mean and uplift in the current PPS of 1,150% to get from 0.07 cents to 80 cents such that 5 x's gives the $4.00 Nasdaq compliance.
I'm kinda baffled here how people think they can hang on to their position size (as in total number of shares held) and that this is going to skyrocket to $4 per each share making v many multi millionaires and all by the end of August.
If anyone has seriously looked at this and can come up with a plausible explanation as to how this is actually possible, I'd love to hear it.
Try drawing a line on using the timeframe from now to the end of August and from 0.07 to 4 and see how ridiculous and implausible it looks.
Of course there will have to be a RS and not at 5:1 that's for sure.
Any serious (Honest) investor can see that.
People are saying this will run to $4.
Can anyone explain how/why?
You do realise that from the cpps, to run to $4 is a 5700% increase in the share price, not to mention what the would do to the market cap I mean this says there's a >300m OS count:
Outstanding Shares
312,257,582
So that's a Market cap of >1.25bn?!!!!!
There has to be some form of consolidation of shares here for the RM company to achieve $4 pps. How can there possibly not be?
I emailed Greg Rotman re my previous posts on Runner Industry in Malaysia.
As of now, he did not reply.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/rotmans/ lots of good work done by this company
Indeed you can. And by posting old news here you just prove that you are incapable of doing proper due diligence, checking if the news has been posted before and that you're lazy.
Therefore not a credible source of anything worth reading....ignore.
Yesterday's news.
So we agree, why the moot points?
To say the shrimp take too long to grow is based on assumptions not reliable proven facts as harvest numbers were never released.
And you have reliable proven facts do you? Everything is assumptive
We don’t know the count size, cost, or mortality numbers required to conclude commercial viability one way or another.
So let people stop spouting about the Patent being worth millions then. They don't know,
In a commercially viable timeframe. I don't think so. They take too long to grow, which nullifies any benefits inherent in a vastly reduced mortality rate. If they can only grow one harvest a year or 1.5 say instead of 2 or 3, how is this commercially workable?
The food business is all about sweating the assets to grow maximum amount per x capacity of production facility employed, be it Land, Animal Husbandry, Battery Farming or any other method of intensive food production. All about minimising costs from Farm to Fork right?
Once you reduce the number of crops per year (as has already been mentioned here), you necessarily increase your COP per unit produced. Fixed cost absorption for a start is much higher and this goes across the board with all the other cost drivers too.
Suffice it to say, I disagree that they have proven there is a commercially viable business model here.
It's also been pointed out that the SEC Filing form 424(b) on April quote "all the shady little agreements for dilution". They do need cash, why would they not dilute the heck out of this (clearly there are no buyers or investors throwing in non toxic finance)?
By the way Mr Delight, saw your pics, looks like you had a delightful factory tour. I am only surprised they can find the time to accommodate members of the general public on such pleasantries, instead of having Walmart or Whole Foods eyeing up the produce lol
I don't disagree.
Still false optimism ensues here though.
Well my sensible friend, will look forward to seeing the pics of your visit!
yawn.
When are you going to realise that a Patent in and of itself is worth the square root of zero.
For every patent filed there are a huge percentage that never ever get to commercialisation and realise any commercial benefit at all for their owner. But in this day and age, if you come up with an inkling of an idea, you have to obtain a patent purely to stop someone from ripping it off.
Until they present data that proves the concept and an end product that is fit for purpose and at a commercially viable price, this is just a piece of paper filed at the patent office that stops people (who adhere to it, which in the Far East where I live, they won't anyway - if it works), from copying exactly the process laid out. they can tweak it and file it as their own, but they cannot verbatim, copy it within the tenure of the patent.
However, once again, I repeat, there has been NO proof of concept (demonstration that the tech works) and no revenues derived from it. So you are categorically wrong to append any value other than zero to this patent because it is quite literally, impossible to calculate a monetary value for which nothing has been proven and no income attained.
Will you now kindly stop trying to mislead people and state the facts clearly. They have a patented process who's workability is as yet unproven, but the product it could potentially produce is in a Multi Billion Dollar Market.
Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing people embellish the truth with their own take on it, demonstrable of their clear lack of understanding of a) how the patent process works from filing to commercialisation b) the time that process takes, which more often than not is years not months and c) the percentage failure rate of patents that then sit redundant in the archives of the patent office.
Remember, it's taken them 18 years to get to the point of even filing a patent. Perhaps another 5 should see sustainable and repeatable commercially viable products produced using the process as filed.
Talk about inventive. Not only do you invent your own view of where the share price is going based on pure conjecture and often times, simply making things up, but you've also now invented a new calendar day by which it will happen.
(hint, there are only 30 days in September).
Only bag holders who bought well above current pps want you to buy now.
- Technically in a downtrend (2x's LH, LL)
- 20DMA already crossed 50 from above
- No confirmation of any reversal (not even a bounce)
- Volume all but dried up
It seems there are people that daft, they actually think there is enough buying power in this group to push the pps back above 50 cents
wrong, wrong, wrong
Time to buy is only when you see evidence of insiders vacuuming up at these prices or below. That's when you know, they have news because insiders always get it first (not the silly posters on this board who pretend they know).
Otherwise sit pat and wait for 10 cents.
Come on!!
What do you take us for?
For those that have been in this group for longer than a week, we've heard all this shrimps-wallop before.
It's like that pinned post on possible corporate actions, plucked straight out of "the idiots guide to corporate strategy".
You have absolutely no clue at all whether there is any pending news and I am sorry, but the odds are firmly against it.
Why?
Because we are presupposing that the deals were done at the two recent trade events or shortly thereafter and believe me, ifin they had been, news would have leaked, by now and you'd see firm evidence of insider buying.
Kindly refer to my post earlier:
1) Incapable (if not commercially incompetent) Management Team
2) Unproven tech
This is a very slow burn at best and grasping around for additional species is like hedging their bets. Shrimp is the main game in town, if that's not getting there, neither is anything else.
Spose the one good thing they have done is gotten themselves an IR company, however look at the quality of that too:
http://www.eandecommunications.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulknopick/
I mean come on, is a pre qualification that any spokesperson for SHMP has a painted on smile?
wow really rallied on that ews then!
https://quotes.wsj.com/SHMP here it is lol
I agree with everything you say and would only add this:
1) The Patent, cannot be valued by the market as no one actually knows its worth. Actually pricing this into the stock is impossible without deriving some kind of revenue forecasts on the back of the Patent and they cannot do that as they have sold nothing (repeat zero sales). Stock rose to the 90 cents range on pure speculative interest, hype and pump. It will not test that price again without orders and a detailed business plan to take the company forward.
2) As I have repeatedly said, the company lacks strong management. Actually, when doing your Due Dil on any company, it's my view one should put the strength of the Management Team at or very close to the top of the list. This company is a collection of technical experts and a failed Financial Guy.
3) Share price movement lacks any investment by tutes (it's all retail action with some trying to flip for coffee money). If large companies saw value in this Patent and the business as a whole, they'd accumulate at these price. But the volume simply isn't there to suggest they are. So all of the hype from the two trade shows was just that, fluff. If there were real investor monies ready to be pumped into this stock, they'd do it now whilst the price is sub 50cents.
Conclusion. Proof of concept is still ongoing. No HR because there has been no Harvest. Mgt Team non existent and PR is all driven by an enthusiastic one man band who acts like a kid with a new toy and nothing like any businessman I've ever come across (Fake outs driven by Fake Book posts, which is complete hopium for investors).
Best case scenario, is a BO where they execute an earn out for all of the current Directors. Get them out of the way and let a real company commercialise this operation and manage this business if indeed there is one to manage. Sure they can keep them on a retainer as advisors, but pay them off and let grown ups manage the commercials before it's too late.
That's the only chance shareholders have got to see $'s in this counter now. Otherwise the usual rules apply as any other OTC company, up the AS, Dilute the Feck out of it then RS, type jiggery pokery.
GLTA
https://fintel.io/doc/sec/1465470/000165495419003865/nsmp_424b3.htm think it must be an April fools joke for ya'll.
The problem with all of this is of course very simple. Why do they even need to do this, if there are investors ready to put money into the business.
Investors need to know why they are raising finance this way, rather than through banks, angel investors, disrupters, VC's.
I suggest it is unfortunately that the tech is still unproven as yet and therefore presents too great a risk for Angel Investors and certainly the banks.
For me, this is the real point. In layman's terms......
'We cannot file yet because we haven't finished calculated exactly how valuable the company currently is!'