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Correct. So roughly 4-5M OS
Wick - I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure that SAGA only has roughly 5M OS currently, so maybe 4.95M shares OS, not 49.5M.
Personally I was always more of a Nintendo fan than I was SEGA, but that's just me.... (LOL.... Couldn't help myself Mutet. It's one of those Lazy, non-stop rainy days out here in Frisco, TX)
Anything's possible, but I don't believe that they have "nothing." I do however believe they're falling further and further behind, which if you remember was one of my worries months to years ago. However, nothing any of us can do but wait and see how it all plays out. The silence from Charles & Co has been deafening though....
bytheocean - I hear everything you're saying and can't speak for anyone else. Nor am I going to re-write multiple paragraphs again explaining why some of us feel this way (not trying to be rude, just beat today). Instead, I'll give you the short version I just gave to rockie.
rockie - What I've been saying is that it appears Charles is doing everything under the sun to separate ENZC's IP/Value (BGEN & VIRO, where C3, AI, plandemic19 mABS, ITV-1, etc... all reside) from ENZC. If you noticed a few months ago, when Charles put out PR's, he started putting them out under BGEN/VIRO instead of under ENZC, how they've always been done. He would put the PR under ENZC, then talk abut the IP/subs in that PR, but it was all associated as ENZC. A few months ago, that changed, and all PR's began coming out under BGEN or VIRO.
If I had to guess, I'd say that he's doing it to separate the value from the lawsuits, but that's just a guess. My frustration comes from the fact that for 2.5-3 years he/Chandra led us all to believe that everything was going to happen under ENZC.
1. Conservative estimate of C3 earnings = $9.09B per year
2. Audit Completed
3. SEC Reporting
4. Institutional Investors & BP partners join the party
5. Uplist
Now the IP/Value that we've all been holding and waiting for it's full value to be realized, is going to be sold to a bottom of the barrel of SPAC (Can't even complete a 10Q or update as to why they can't complete it, but I guess that fits well with a company/CEO who hasn't been able to file a single Q or K on time without an extension) for a whopping $450M (Really just shares valued at $10-11). It seems to me that either bait & switch was pulled or something happened that forced Charles to do a complete 180 on everything we were led to believe for the past 2.5-3 years.
Anyway, we don't know what we don't know, but I'd really love to know what happened to Samsung? What happened to ENZO after he was given C3? Where is the audit? Where is SEC Reporting?
At this point, it is what it is, and like I've been saying, I'm just holding on and hoping for some kind of miracle and/or surprise. However, the fact that we're almost 11 months into 2023, still in pinks, still unaudited and alternative reporting, and sitting at a MC under $100M is sad and worrisome.
Not sure, but something forced Charles to change direction big time. No clue as to what that is....
Honestly rockie, I don't think anything is. I think he's dead-set on separating them from ENZC & it's lawsuits, but I'm still "hoping" something comes up that changes direction.
If we look back over the past few years, something BIG changed behind the scenes, and we don't know what it is. We went from a $9.09B per year projection of C3 + #Audit + #Uplist #SEC Reporting + BP Partnerships & Licensing Rev, etc..... to the majority of the IP that we've all been holding for being sold to a bottom of the barrel SPAC for a lowsy $450M. Obviously something happened that we don't know about.
Where is Samsung? Regeneron? C3 mABS? Plandemic19 mABS? Etc.....
We are now almost 11 months into 2023, and trading at a MC < $100M.
All I was saying 2B is that I personally would rather see them follow thru with what they originally led us to believe they were doing (the items/list I posted). I doubt that's happening based on Charles aggressive moves to separate BGEN/VIRO (majority of our IP value) from ENZC, but I'm still hoping/praying there's a chance.
At this point, it is what it is, and it's just a matter of riding it out to see where we land.... Still hoping for the best here....
Also, lets not forget that if SAGA adds 45M shares to their OS, they will need something to offset that and keep or increase $10-$11 pps. Right now, BGEN/VIRO can't even keep ENZC above a $100M MC, so to think that that once they're under SAGA that they'll automatically add $1/2Billion to the MC (without some kind of BIG PR/announcement to go with it), is kind of foolish.
If the SAGA deal goes through, I hop that they have something ready to disclose that will drive the pps, but not getting my hopes up. Just need to wait and see what happens...
I agree Dyno and as I've mentioned many times, would love to see ENZC back out of the deal and go the original route they led all of us to believe they were going:
1. Finish Audit
2. Go SEC Reporting
3. PR/Announce something BIG (C3, etc....) and Bring in Institutional Investors, BP Partners, Licensing Deals
4. Uplist As ENZC
At this point, I believe all of that is a nothing more than a pipe dream, as Charles seems to be doing everything under the sun to separate the valuable IP from ENZC, but I'm still hoping/praying!
ENZC Shareholders will hold 90% of SAGA commons…
Yeah I hear ya. I'm not saying that ENZC isn't responsible for some of this, but the games, control, and coordination that I've seen here is unlike anything I've ever witnessed since making my first trade long ago. Also, some of it is due to low volume, but that low volume was created by years of this pattern/beatdown.
It's very easy to see when the action is retail and/or caused by retail groups or flippers, and the majority of what we've seen here has not been that. As I've mentioned more times than I can count, I find VIRT's action the most intriguing, because what they've been doing is not and has not benefited them. They have not been buying or selling, so I have to wonder who is behind them? The other stuff is pretty self-explanatory.
- ASCM uses every PR to short the crap out of us and likely makes a killing doing it. Easy to do when we've followed the same pattern for years. They know the green won't be sustained, so shorting us the way they do, really carries no risk.
- OTCN selling has to be conversions of some sort. Doesn't make senses any other way, or they would want to sell at higher pps not lower. I'm curious to see Q3 fins to see how many more preferred conversions have taken place.
LOL, and as I type, we're back over .03 and guess who appears? VIRT is back to do exactly what I've said they've been doing, and ASCM is back shorting. Can't make this stuff up!
Living on love (Great name by the way. I love it. Always good to shed a little light and love),
Truthfully, I'm not really sure what's going on beyond the pattern. We have been held to an identical pattern for more than 2.5+ years now, and there is no way it's organic. VIRT is who/what has stood out the most, and I don't know who is behind them. But they've used the same tactics everytime they grace us with their presence.
1. Jan 2022 - We broke .10, and the second we broke it, both VIRT+OTCX appeared on L2 with their algos synced up to the exact milllisecond. They'd appear/disappear together, and neither was buying or selling a single share. They simply used their synced up algos to control the pps, and drive it back safe under .10, at which point both disappeared for more than 1 year.
2. May 2023 we broke .10 again, and the second we broke it, both VIRT+OTCN (same MM as OTCX) appeared with their synced up algos and repeated what they did in jan 2022. Once the pps was driven safely under .10 (.06 or lower), OTCN began selling non-stop. However, prior to that, neither VIRT, nor OTCN sold or bought a single share. Once again just used their synced up algos to control the pps, This is not making a market.
3. Most recently VIRT appeared when we fell to around .04, and once again repeated what they did the other times. Still not buying or selling, just using their algo to control the pps. Not sure who they're helping and/or doing it for, and I don't pretend to know any more than this. However, I do know that this is not organic trading/making a market, so there has to be somebody behind it. Maybe one day we'll learn what's going on....
Lastly, one other thing I've noticed is that when OTCN & VIRT are inactive, ASCM has been in control. When ASCM becomes mostly inactive, the control falls back to PUMA again. The one thing these 4 MM's have in common is that they are not "Joe-Retail" MM's. Something is definitely going on that we are unaware of, but what it is, is anyone's guess...
Yeah, I stand corrected. I would've bet just about anything that we would've seen the usual end of day drop. Not sure that this means anything, but better to see than the usual drop! I'll take it!
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and guess that we'll see the following very shortly (at or just before 2:30PM)
1. Hard push down
2. Ask immediately stacked under .03
3. Either VIRT, OTCN, or both come back and prevent from breaking and/or closing at/over .03
Again, just a guess/shot in the dark, but lets see what happens...
LOL.... I swear that you were reading my mind Doc.... I was thinking the same thing. It's about that time for Charles to drop a fluff piece, and this fits the ENZC history/pattern to a T, so I guess we'll see. I really hope that we're both wrong....
That said, until we see/hear something on C3, plandemic19 mABS, Funding, or licensing agreements, I expect the groundhog day pattern to continue....
Anything's possible 2B, but VIRT is acting on behalf of somebody. As I've stated many times since they joined us in Jan 2022, May 2023, and most recently, they don't buy or sell. They simply use their algo to control the pps. That is NOT making a market and it is NOT retail.
That said, this is the lowest I've seen them in action. Both other times they appeared the second we broke .10, synced up their algo with OTCX (2022) and OTCN (2023), and used those synced algos to drive us way back down and safely under .10. Most recently they seem to be working alone, but doing the exact same thing (using algo to control without buying/selling), so I'm just wondering what is the target? Where are they trying to push it down to and/or for who? Why has it not been addressed by Charles & Co, and why do they allow it to continue?
I couldn't agree more!
That's only part of it DOGONE. As I just mentioned in prior post, if we magically hit 03 or get close enough, what VIRT jump in and hold it. VIRT is not long holders, flippers, or even retail, nor do they even sell/flip or buy. Just 100% algo control.
Imagine having a $450M deal on the table, IP (C3) projection of $9.09B per year, top notch AI Platform, plandemic19 mABS, etc...etc....etc..., but trading at a laughable MC of $87M (pps in 02's) and RSI still holding above oversold. What a joke.
The question I have and have been asking is "How low do we think they're going to drive this"? They're definitely still working the pattern/charts to ensure they maintain RSI padding, which tells me the push down will continue, at least in the short term.
The part I circled in the snippet below is how they add the RSI padding early, immediately followed by a cliff-drop takedown that only erases 50% at most, of the RSI padding they just added.
Oh well, maybe one of these days ENZC will get audited, maybe even file a Q or K on time, get SEC Reporting; and if we're really lucky, maybe SAGA will learn how to file a Q and get their sh!t together; and lastly, if we're really, really, lucky (miracle-lucky), this SAGA BS deal will go away, and either ENZC will follow thru with what they led us to believe for 2-3 years and/or we'll see some kind of deal/funding with an actual co. like Samsung. Not holding my breath, but this is just getting ridiculous.
Looks like VIRT is sticking around to ensure we remain under .03 and/or not to far over it... Never buying nor selling, just controlling. And of course OTCN, who I still believe has to be executing some kind of conversions. They wait for the higher sells to go through, then immediately drop the ask. Doesn't make a lot of sense for somebody who is just selling for $$...
Thx Giwarr, but I disagree with you on your quote below: Yes, volume is crazy low, and heavily responsible for where we are. However, all one has to do is watch VIRT, and that will show you the manipulation. VIRT does not buy nor sell any shares. They simply appear and drop the ask via algo, when the pps begins to move up, but they never sell. They just use their algo to control the pps, which is super-easy for them to do when volume is this low. However, what they are and have been doing is NOT "making a market. " It is 100% manipulation/control.
We'll see what happens in the coming weeks, but as long we continue with prolonged silence from Charles, ASCM shorting us, and VIRT controlling as needed, I get the feeling that we'll remain stuck in this pattern. To think that we're going on 11 months into 2023, no audit, no sec reporting, no uplist, nothing on C3, and sitting in the .02-.03 range, is just sickening.
And there's VIRT! Making sure we don't go to far above 03 to where they can't get us back in the 02s prior to close. They appear on the ask at .031, then disappear immediately when somebody else drops lower (their not needed). If it goes back up, their algo will place them right back on top & Wash+Rinse+Repeat without ever buying or selling a single share. This is what's called "Market Manipulation" or "Market Control," but the one thing that it's not, is "making a market."
Why does Charles allow this to on unaddressed. Why has he allowed it to go unaddressed since Jan 2022?
I hope so archilles, but that +10/11 rsi padding from the other day has provided what they need to get there. In addition, it appears ASCM is still shorting, and I don't see them stopping. With the volume and/or lack there of, that we've had lately, they have nothing to worry about.
Anyway, given where the pps is now, where the rsi is now, ASCM doing what they do, and OTCN in the mix, if we're hit with our usual 2:30 drop, I expect it to be big one. I hope not, but we'll see...
2b your guess is as good as mine, but I'm still convinced that somebody is still behind trying to drive this as low as possible. The who and why behind it are anyones guess, but the pps makes no sense. The pattern has changed in almost 3 full years, and once again after the "Magical RSI increase/padding of +10/11 the other day, we're now back in the 02s with the RSI above oversold; and OTCN back on the ask, which means it's not moving up. Radio silence from Charles as usual, nothing on SAGA, and around and around we go.
We'll see how today plays out, but seeing OTCN sitting on top of the ask at .03, I'm guessing thats our new artificial ceiling and I'm seeing a likely close around .027-.0279
Please feel free to do as wish as wick, as it genuinely has zero impact on me, but thx for offering. In regards to me predicting, while I appreciate the statement, I will continue to post as I see fit, regardless of whether or not it is obvious.
That said, I've wasted more than enough time on this conversation, so I'm done/signing out. You enjoy your 3 day weekend/vacation.
LOL... It's all good... Some people just can't help themselves... With 2020, you're probably right, but fortunately I won't be able to see it...
Agreed Timing. I just find it strange that Charles filed/disclosed nothing about this when it was raised, which I thought was a bit odd. Usually when a company raises their AS, it's accompanied by some kind of filing/disclosure that gives some clarity as to why it was raised, but that didn't happen here..... Like you said, TBD....
Not really making a point wick. Just showing an example of what I've been posting about (how they're able to keep driving down without ever getting too far into RSI Oversold, if into oversold at all). Also, although you're right about low volume recently, this has been going on for nearly 2.5+ years, so it hasn't always been "low volume" trading. That said, I get that you and several others probably know what I'm talking about, but there are some on here who may not. This was more for them....
Just to point out what I'm referring to when I say that these little green days (yesterday's close) are usually just part of "the pattern" to pad the RSI, so they're able to continue the push down, here is an example.
Today the pps closed at .0309 (Drop in last few minutes) and the RSI closed at 34.52. This is because they were able to add 10-11 points of padding yesterday. The last time the RSI was near 35.42 was 10/12, and the RSI was actually at 33.77. However, we closed at .034 (RSI was lower & pps was higher). In other words. they basically gave themselves pps padding of .0031, and the RSI is back above oversold.
I know this is small (micro as Timing would say), but just showing an example of how they do it and/or how they've been doing it.
Ok, so from what I've been watching for the past 25+ minutes, we're still dealing with crazy-low volume, but it seems that ASCM is still shorting us when they can, VIRT+OTCN are synced up again, and VIRT is playing their usual game of algo only to avoid actually buying or selling. Curious to see how the remainder of the day plays out.
And there's are buddy VIRT back in the mix to ensure we remain below .034-.035. However, watch them for a few minutes. They wont' buy or sell. Just use their algo to drop the ask/bid, and the second it's hit (even if only for 100-500 shares) they immediately bow out, let the buying take place, then reappear and drop the ask. Same playbook as Jan 2022 & May 2023. Let's see what they do today...