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For years now I have suggested that the market will hit all time highs as will COOP right before there is a distribution of shares, thus allowing the shorts to short COOP at its ALL TIME HIGHS right before the share issuance causing dilution.......
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ARE WE GETTING CLOSE
NEW HIGH 78.19
Fred
You have also on multiple occasions said he had the right to do this and it could not be challenged, as I have suggested both of this things to be done over the years and you have continually said they can not happen.......... SO what has changed? I'm just asking not slamming you but, WHAT HAS CHANGE that makes it possible today when it hasn't been for years.. SOrry but I am cornfused here
""".and sue Guy and challenge "best interest" decisions..""".
NEW ALL TIME HIGH PRINTED $77.62
Fred
I thought you have said multiple times this was water under the bridge and couldn't take place
""or we revive UWBI, as a successor, vs OCC on the unlawful seizure of our bank...........we actually request standing and then revive or re-instate the appeal of judge amy's SJ.........easy............ ""
$77 printed all tie new high
Since I posted the question I have been on with CHUCKEY and here is the ANSWER I WAS GIVEN by their legal and research depts...
FORM 4's ONLY REFLECT what an officer has purchased AS A CORP OFFICER since he became an officer OF THE CORP, NOT ANY OF THE SHARES he previously held and purchased PRIOR TO becoming an officer of the corp. AND any shares he MAY have bought before becoming an officer are NOT REPORTED IN HIS AGGREGATE HOLDINGs shown in a form 4 filing
SO we have no idea if he did or did NOT hold prior or possibly buy in the 4-7$ range or not
DJI JUST ANOTHER ALL TIME HIGH................................BUT WE HAVE NOT YET CLOSED
Wild with as bad as stuff is in the economy
REALITY in tow then, do we know he didn't or would he be required to report ALL of his holdings or just what he has purchased and holds since he became an officer of the corp.
Just an interesting ? that I for one do not know the answer too, but gonna do some looking into it
Fred
I'm just saying there are calculated risks one may take BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, but then comes the word CALCULATED and is it worth taking a chance on.
IF in fact is it 100's of billions in damages, the number are just to HIGH TO TAKE A CALCULATED RISK on imho......
The reason being is that it is ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE to CALCULATE what 12 people in a jury box will do.
NOW FOR THE MOST PART Jurors tend to go against big CORP BULLIES and in BIGLY amounts of money and all know that INCLUDING UBS AND SONTERO, sort of hung before they even get into the court room.
MY WAG is this like yours THEY SETTLE, only question is when, but again calculated risk says they don't even wanna get close to depos or sitting on the stand.........
Let's hope we are correct, yet lets hope they make it a large settlement which again I feel they would to keep it away from an AVG JOE SIXPACK JURY and their possible decision or outcome
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"" LOL' ... Yep, and COOP's New President ?, Mike Weinbach ? ... Could Have Simply Bought 17,000 COOP commons at $5.00 to $7.00 pps (ish) ... NOT' SO VERY LONG AGO' ... LOL' ~"""
DO we know that he did or didn't ???????
Do his holdings have to be disclosed or reported in his total holdings, have to reflect or disclose what he what he MIGHT HAVE DONE PRIOR when he was just AVG JOE SIXPACK as well or only what he has done as a CORP OFFICER ???????
Just asking
HEHEHE shake someone else's trailer, I don't owe a dime to anyone, but you KNOW that as well
UBS and SONTERO are on a very slippery slope, like a flat tin roof coated with olive oil
And really don't think they will take the chance pard it makes ZERO SENSE
NOBODY gonna sit on a witness stand at the HAGUE ""THE WORLD COURT""
HEHEHEH
""I see at some point in time in the future, where there will be a MARKET CRASH and LEH, FANNY and FREDDIE and WMI join forces""
Been said for yrs around here.
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW the big BIG question is, WHOM DO THEY JOIN FORCES WITH ???????????
COOP or WMI, that I consider ""IS IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE HOLD""
For some reason I still say the NSM/WMIH MERGER IS NOT COMPLETED YET( NOT HAVING SOLD XOME to date), no logical explanation for my feelings, just a GUT THING
That runs along with the my position on ""THE ADMINISTRATIVE HOLD"" that I also hove no explanation for short of something just doesn't seem complete here and the lack of any distributions over all of this have yet to happen, yet I do believe they will take place,
SOMETHING OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW has yet to take place,, """THE TRIGGER""" action to bring this all together
ALL imho
Would have never thought YOU WERE A TRAVELING MAN, your personality doesn't fit the mold.......
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I believe all we have ever dealt with here is ""WHAT IF's"" isn't it?
We have been mushrooms now for 16 yrs(at least me) in the dark and fed CHIT from all sides
LG
This also imho puts commons back to the position they should hold compared to what they held originally of 51% or very very close to it, which imho is what a true reorg is supposed to do......................
Fred
Your points in this point is the point I have been making by stating THIS WILL NOT GO TO TRIAL, they would be complete IDIOTS to risk being asked to leave or pay 5-10 bill or more if if if they lost.
MAKE NO SENSE and we will never get any to the witness stand imho
I'll suggest now that the GAP FILLED yesterday and it takes news 2-3 days to be digested, tomorrow we hopefully head back to the 2$ area, just my WAG bwthdik
DarkBr
"""""" So unless you bought the hell out of WAMU when it was trading on the pinks in the pennies...., or WMIH when it was trading well under a buck, it was painful"""
I mean seriously why do you think many here held millions of shares before 3/19/2012 and the RV's, since a million was only $10,000 @ .01 or at .05 was $50,000
[color=red]WHICH I MIGHT SUGGEST IS WHERE 97 +% of those on this board BOUGHT, in the PENNIES and prior to 3/19/2012 as you well know few here are pre holders[/color].
I was pre @ $6.47
Got it ty
But still if if ifin 36,000,000 shares come back to commons and they are at current pps of 71$ that SERIOUSLY OFFSETS the .18 does it not or sorry but am I still missing something
Thank you
Xoom
I am not being a jerk over this and am asking nicely, so just show us how you have gotten to .18
TIA
SORRY CHARLIE
I'd take his 5 bill here and now, my WAG is he will NOT NOT RISK being kick out
Fred
""..whatever.....F**K SERGIO....aimho""
He needs learn to "" KNOW WHEN TO HOLD EM AND KNOW WHEN TO FOLD EM AND KNOW WHEN TO WALK AWAY""
Left handed or not
But PALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE show me where I have contended 100's of BILLIONs or RILLIONS,,SHORT OF possibly the 299 shown outside the FDIC's own pie chart that DID NOT INCLUDE WAMU
I think if you are honest and fair you will only cite 32-8=24 or the good DR "A"s 86 bill as to what has been said by me for the most part......short of the possible 299 part.
Remember though the SEN SUB COMM on banking DID DID DID say that at the time of seizure we had 635 BILL in loans out.
Now as any home owner knows, by the time they pay off a 30 yr mortgage they have for the most part paid aprox 2.4 times the value they actually borrowed.
SO yes I can see where the numbers COULD GROW exponentially very large but, please again KEEP IT REAL 32-8='s 24 of the 86bill or on a real stretch the 299
I must be missing something still, $73 div by 12 is $6.08 that seems to be a very long way from .18 SPLAIN ME PLEASE in all sincerity
TIME TELLS ALL RD
XOOM
Not sure how you figure this....... IF you were to get new shares @$71 TODAY, on top of what you have already gotten and you pay nothing for them, please tell me how they are only worth .18., seems to me they would be worth their trade able current value, over and above what you have already received.
Now granted the ones you have now are only worth INCLUDING ALL OF THE RV's are only worth .18 according to you but how is that even possible?????????
$71 divided by 12=s 5.91
ALSO how many paid .01 to .10 and or didn't avg down if they were able? Heck even MW paid .20 and $5.91 divided by .20 is a pretty darn good return 20.99 X's ROI based on $5.91
Not saying that we were treated fairly, but I see NOTHING negative about possibly getting additional shares today @ $71 and ifin you don't want them if this happens I AM SURE there are many here that would gladly take them for you
I do not even see the name LODAS , unless someone responds to his post and I see it is in response to him, IGGY here on IHUB takes the poster out of the lime light
Clinton
""So fair and reasonable going from 1.8 billion shares before reverse splitting 12 to 1""
Only 1.2 elected to participate and if you were to get shares valued @ 71$ when ya paid pennies for them even after a 12/1 seems you'd make out pretty well, UNLESS YOU WERE A PRE
ALSO I'll suggest that P's will have NO CONVERSION CLAUSE to commons in their prospectus and POSSIBLY can only be sold back to the company
LG
""More than likely we will be issued 1-1 P as they have ten million authorized and shelf-ready preferred set to issue""
with NO FACE VALUE assigned to them as of yet
I think they give the whole 36 mill to commons and P's get new P's which should get commons real close to back at 51% ownership
I still say they went back in T stock and like ya say if not they have 250 mill left they can issue
AND AGAIN IF THE whole 36 MIL IS USED to go to commons we are right back where we started @ 100 mill and then issue prefrds
I've always said they are buying these back on the cheap and they will be used to pay off commons........ AND put them in T-stock where many say they have been retired
CRICKETS
Title of the Class of Securities To Be Sold Name and Address of the Broker Number of Shares or Other Units To Be Sold Aggregate Market Value Number of Shares or Other Units Outstanding Approximate Date of Sale Name the Securities Exchange
Mr Cooper Group Inc
Merrill Lynch
1301 Gervais Street Suite 1500
Columbia SC 29201
29166 (2131742.00 64602234 )03/18/2024
Nasdaq
THe share price today is 73$ you do that X's the outstanding of 64 mill and you are at 4.7 bill $$$$$$ not 2.13 bil
DARK
LOOK AT THE aggregate value they give for the 64 mill shares outstanding today at current price 2.6 bill well at 73 it is 4.7 bill not 2.6
STILL you may have inadvertently stumbled onto something or THEY INADVERTENTLY may have let THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG
WELL aware it is a different form than we have seen before, but that tells how many shares are OUT not his but as you see 4.7 is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT that the 64 mill at 73 HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM JUST WAIT, lg is gonna put out our discussion in bullet point