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Thanks Sevted - That's the first time anyone has been able to explain to me what those Form T's are. Cheers.
That 50K Form T was just below the closing bid. I wonder how folks can do this. I know that as a retail investor with TDAmeritrade, I cannot trade using the 4th decimal point, so this is an institutional or market maker type trade.
Can someone explain if he/she knows how this can occur. TIA
I didn't realize that iHUB had an ignore feature - just cleaned up my view of the postings significantly. GLTA
I'd suggest passing the info to the company - They usually respond very quickly, so it would be interesting to see what might be affecting the videos on this particular device. The iPad is a big one.
per otcmarkets.com, the short 620K short position is basically unchanged as of 3/15/13.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/DSNY/short-sales
while we're on the naked short subject, does anyone know how Destiny shares showed up on the Frankfurt (and the notorious Berlin) exchanges?
I wonder if there is also potential for class action - at the same time, the number of potential shareholders would be small.
I recall a long time ago - when I first saw naked shorting (documented via Regulation SHO data), I was told about a three way scheme involving Europe that was used for naked shorting. I could not get a handle on how it really worked, but now is probably a reasonable time to ask the question.
For the US shares, it is my understanding that they removed the grandfathering provision of Regulation SHO a few years ago, so a true naked short on the US market is difficult to maintain for more than a few weeks.
Am I wrong about this? TIA for the education on this stuff...
Does anyone know if steps in moving the Noramco case through the courts have occurred other than the initial filings? I cannot find anything in the BC court system yet that's available for public view (like what we saw in the Yangaroo case). TIA
It was actually 3/4 staff - If my recollection was correct, that estimated percentage was given at the meeting in response to a question from the audience.
It might be good to remind folks about this post from Vangorilla...
If the individual has an open short or naked short position, how the open position get closed / covered? [I have no idea myself and really am looking for answers..]
We need to be objective, IMO. This means recognizing that some folks are getting frustrated with the long term lack of - or currently downward movement of the price. Watching low-volume trading is rough. GLTA
They're still around -
http://yangaroo.dmds.com/news/pr/yangaroo-closes-private-placement
The short position had at least 600K shares to clear as of 1/31/13 (see otcmarkets.com short sales for DSNY). What you are probably seeing is the market maker just refreshing. They can do that. Per the otcmarkets.com data, it looks like the short position started building in late May 2012 and reached 600K at the end of July.
[I sure hope I'm interpreting this data correctly...]
GLTA
Here's the rest of the data for the year that Timorr was referring to (from OTCMarkets.com), FWIW
31-Jan-13 608,056 -0.72 51,969 11.7 No No
15-Jan-13 612,444 -1.99 108,168 5.66 No No
31-Dec-12 624,881 -9.05 65,882 9.48 No No
14-Dec-12 687,080 20.79 222,306 3.09 No No
30-Nov-12 568,810 -1.43 96,106 5.92 No No
15-Nov-12 577,083 0.25 56,816 10.16 No No
31-Oct-12 575,655 -1.52 46,097 12.49 No No
15-Oct-12 584,522 0.48 90,065 6.49 No No
28-Sep-12 581,754 -1.19 83,029 7.01 No No
14-Sep-12 588,756 -0.48 125,812 4.68 No No
31-Aug-12 591,583 0.58 283,265 2.09 No No
15-Aug-12 588,182 -3.65 47,848 12.29 No No
31-Jul-12 610,494 7.68 189,321 3.22 No No
13-Jul-12 566,928 9.88 62,209 9.11 No No
29-Jun-12 515,950 34.72 100,453 5.14 No No
15-Jun-12 382,993 249.77 93,532 4.09 No No
31-May-12 109,500 1,716.22 202,368 1 No No
15-May-12 6,029 367 66,223 1 No No
30-Apr-12 1,291 -23.43 75,152 1 No No
13-Apr-12 1,686 -91.9 128,749 1 No No
30-Mar-12 20,806 208.05 167,049 1 No No
15-Mar-12 6,754 2,356.00 97,857 1 No No
29-Feb-12 275 -98.03 245,407 1 No No
15-Feb-12 13,927 860.48 250,229 1 No No
31-Jan-12 1,450 -69.15 64,931 1 No No
13-Jan-12 4,700 -0.95 30,226 1 No No
30-Dec-11 4,745 -11.23 18,929 1 No No
Here's the trend data over time - thanks for following and posting your info...
(column headers are here)
Date
Short Interest
% Change
Avg. Daily Share Volume
Days to Cover
Split
New Issue
Data is here:
15-Jan-13 612,444 -1.99 108,168 5.66 No No
31-Dec-12 624,881 -9.05 65,882 9.48 No No
14-Dec-12 687,080 20.79 222,306 3.09 No No
30-Nov-12 568,810 -1.43 96,106 5.92 No No
15-Nov-12 577,083 0.25 56,816 10.16 No No
31-Oct-12 575,655 -1.52 46,097 12.49 No No
15-Oct-12 584,522 0.48 90,065 6.49 No No
28-Sep-12 581,754 -1.19 83,029 7.01 No No
14-Sep-12 588,756 -0.48 125,812 4.68 No No
31-Aug-12 591,583 0.58 283,265 2.09 No No
15-Aug-12 588,182 -3.65 47,848 12.29 No No
31-Jul-12 610,494 7.68 189,321 3.22 No No
13-Jul-12 566,928 9.88 62,209 9.11 No No
29-Jun-12 515,950 34.72 100,453 5.14 No No
15-Jun-12 382,993 249.77 93,532 4.09 No No
31-May-12 109,500 1,716.22 202,368 1 No No
15-May-12 6,029 367 66,223 1 No No
30-Apr-12 1,291 -23.43 75,152 1 No No
13-Apr-12 1,686 -91.9 128,749 1 No No
30-Mar-12 20,806 208.05 167,049 1 No No
15-Mar-12 6,754 2,356.00 97,857 1 No No
29-Feb-12 275 -98.03 245,407 1 No No
15-Feb-12 13,927 860.48 250,229 1 No No
31-Jan-12 1,450 -69.15 64,931 1 No No
13-Jan-12 4,700 -0.95 30,226 1 No No
30-Dec-11 4,745 -11.23 18,929 1 No No
15-Dec-11 5,345 17.47 75,054 1 No No
30-Nov-11 4,550 -17.27 169,881 1 No No
15-Nov-11 5,500 15.5 270,063 1 No No
31-Oct-11 4,762 -22.69 123,200 1 No No
14-Oct-11 6,160 100 32,604 1 No No
30-Sep-11 0 -100 23,995 0 No No
15-Sep-11 4,349 42.4 9,935 1 No No
31-Aug-11 3,054 522 78,027 1 No No
15-Aug-11 491 100 45,108 1 No No
15-Jul-11 0 -100 52,689 0 No No
30-Jun-11 8,130 -36.19 42,103 1 No No
15-Jun-11 12,740 100 24,837 1 No No
31-May-11 0 -100 14,454 0 No No
13-May-11 221 100 25,886 1 No No
31-Mar-11 1,300 100 20,158 1 No No
15-Feb-11 0 -100 42,244 0 No No
31-Jan-11 3,827 71.85 41,192 1 No No
14-Jan-11 2,227 -60.25 38,677 1 No No
31-Dec-10 5,602 -21.24 37,151 1 No No
15-Dec-10 7,113 238.71 19,206 1 No No
30-Nov-10 2,100 -83.3 20,017 1 No No
15-Nov-10 12,575 100 54,806 1 No No
15-Oct-10 0 -100 34,560 0 No No
30-Sep-10 4,411 79.45 80,342 1 No No
15-Sep-10 2,458 391.6 43,309 1 No No
31-Aug-10 500 2,280.95 15,768 1 No No
13-Aug-10 21 -99.16 18,045 1 No No
30-Jul-10 2,500 212.5 21,968 1 No No
15-Jul-10 800 100 38,164 1 No No
30-Jun-10 0 -100 26,925 0 No No
15-Jun-10 622 100 46,574 1 No No
28-May-10 0 -100 47,254 0 No No
14-May-10 500 100 36,087 1 No No
30-Apr-10 0 -100 38,589 0 No No
15-Apr-10 4,900 880 30,930 1 No No
31-Mar-10 500 -74.46 26,153 1 No No
15-Mar-10 1,958 -1.11 41,703 1 No No
26-Feb-10 1,980 10 30,231 1 No No
12-Feb-10 1,800 260 55,567 1 No No
29-Jan-10 500 362.96 9,520 1 No No
15-Jan-10 108 -88.18 45,950 1 No No
31-Dec-09 914 -35.54 60,616 1 No No
15-Dec-09 1,418 -38.83 101,993 1 No No
30-Nov-09 2,318 0 106,915 1 No No
13-Nov-09 2,318 12,777.78 48,287 1 No No
30-Oct-09 18 -99.64 44,980 1 No No
15-Oct-09 5,018 -38.3 118,402 1 No No
30-Sep-09 8,133 100 29,604 1 No No
15-Sep-09 0 -100 36,954 0 No No
31-Aug-09 3,200 100 69,545 1 No No
14-Aug-09 0 -100 46,344 0 No No
31-Jul-09 6,418 100 51,352 1 No No
15-Jul-09 0 -100 120,799 0 No No
30-Jun-09 622 -93.6 26,109 1 No No
15-Jun-09 9,722 98.21 42,442 1 No No
29-May-09 4,905 53.52 28,594 1 No No
15-May-09 3,195 100 74,226 1 No No
15-Apr-09 0 -100 16,165 0 No No
31-Mar-09 458 1,732.00 32,250 1 No No
13-Mar-09 25 -98.44 29,899 1 No No
27-Feb-09 1,600 100 53,900 1 No No
13-Feb-09 0 -100 53,945 0 No No
30-Jan-09 1,000 900 50,761 1 No No
15-Jan-09 100 -97.08 71,404 1 No No
31-Dec-08 3,420 -72.79 30,320 1 No No
15-Dec-08 12,569 151.63 52,475 1 No No
28-Nov-08 4,995 -33.4 85,151 1 No No
14-Nov-08 7,500 100 62,746 1 No No
15-Oct-08 0 -100 90,387 0 No No
30-Sep-08 15,177 -0.5 71,104 1 No No
15-Sep-08 15,253 140.2 63,823 1 No No
29-Aug-08 6,350 -28.25 52,766 1 No No
15-Aug-08 8,850 356.89 70,764 1 No No
31-Jul-08 1,937 142.13 115,262 1 No No
15-Jul-08 800 100 138,095 1 No No
30-Jun-08 0 -100 74,073 0 No No
13-Jun-08 19,299 286.91 71,564 1 No No
30-May-08 4,988 -19.55 76,683 1 No No
15-May-08 6,200 -42.61 38,903 1 No No
30-Apr-08 10,804 626.56 71,269 1 No No
15-Apr-08 1,487 -87.84 71,490 1 No No
31-Mar-08 12,227 6,013.50 68,821 1 No No
14-Mar-08 200 -94.81 96,467 1 No No
29-Feb-08 3,852 196.31 129,713 1 No No
15-Feb-08 1,300 -40.04 48,422 1 No No
31-Jan-08 2,168 -94.09 68,551 1 No No
15-Jan-08 36,712 35.9 207,011 1 No No
31-Dec-07 27,014 815.73 241,000 1 No No
14-Dec-07 2,950 2,260.00 45,838 1 No No
30-Nov-07 125 -90.08 196,082 1 No No
15-Nov-07 1,260 -45.69 82,934 1 No No
31-Oct-07 2,320 -85.49 36,724 1 No No
15-Oct-07 15,985 150.27 59,081 1 No No
28-Sep-07 6,387 -39.86 91,929 1 No No
14-Sep-07 10,621 -59.78 131,663 1 No No
15-Aug-07 26,405 27.37 100,369 1 No No
25-Jul-07 20,731 778.43 140,257 1 No No
27-Jun-07 2,360 68.57 60,613 1 No No
24-May-07 1,400 -73 55,346 1 No No
24-Apr-07 5,186 -66.04 149,148 1 No No
26-Mar-07 15,272 487.38 231,663 1 No No
27-Feb-07 2,600 -81.02 107,280 1 No No
24-Jan-07 13,699 -82.95 123,508 1 No No
27-Dec-06 80,343 -69.57 236,478 1 No No
27-Nov-06 264,016 209.04 68,888 3.83 No No
24-Oct-06 85,431 525.64 33,273 2.57 No No
26-Sep-06 13,655 183.36 94,015 1 No No
24-Aug-06 4,819 5,376.14 25,421 1 No No
25-Jul-06 88 0 41,033 1 No No
Vangorilla: Do you know how Destiny got its shares listed in Germany in the first place? A long time ago, there used to be a problem with shares showing up on the Berlin exchange, but I really don't know the true story on how that could have occurred. I have the same question with Frankfurt.
TIA
That was my read on it also. This was very public information.
any news?
I suspect that's a fake wall on the bid. Be careful about buying too soon, IMO
after that shake, it would be interesting if we got a xmas present today...
or did I misinterpret your post.
NT, when did you sell your position, if I may ask?
If the subsidiary buys the parent, is it possible that LTC will buy us out for bargain prices - we lose our shares at current levels?
That's over $400K
LM- got your message from a couple of days ago. thanks.
Has someone contacted the company to find out what might be going on? TIA
looks like the bid just went to .132
looks like the ask has been released to .165, hope someone starts buying...
NITE just moved the bid to .19 again
looks like they might have raised the bid to take out that last 10K share trade at .19
Am I mistaken, or are all of these trades today occurring at the ask? Also, can anyone tell which MM is facilitating these trades? TIA
Thanks Male: Fidelity (which usually has very accurate data) was showing that same spread. GLTA
My data is showing after close bid/ask of .24 x .28. Are you folks seeing the same thing? May not be significant / observation only.. TIA
Suezia: Don't forget that the road up (if that's what we have here) is not necessarily straight.
NT: Hopefully this has been beat up long enough that the sellers have been flushed out. GLTA
Pat: I note that the bid (per YPSI's data from earlier today, if it's still applicable) has a large gap between the first and second market makers. If this doesn't begin trading at the ask again, don't be surprised if NITE tries to drop the bid and execute a couple of trades at a very low level. GLTA
Thanks for the info - I think YPSI is out for a couple of days.
Lowman: Thanks very much for that information. Regards.
and right as I posted that, someone dropped the ask...