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too bad there is not much bid support
but i am glad to see everyone remaining clam
it is good practice for the possibly long wait
that may stretch in front of us
NOBODY including the CEO of the company knows when we will finally close a sale, but it seems to me closing a sale is more likely than closing the company, especially when they will not even have the rent on their palatial warehouse if they dont want it after november
they could run forever on vapors, and someday before forever, one of their commissioned dealers or their royalty partners would come through i expect
they want the price to appear low
so that people will be discouraged and sell
and then they can cover
a short position
or buy in to establish a long position\
i think there is no short interest reported right now
you can see when there is on OTC
(short interest = shares of stock borrowed and sold with a promise to buy back later and return them)
it is clearly not a profit motivated move and i dont see how anyone coudl defend against accusations of maniuplation for manipulatoin's sake, but SEC is not real activist regarding penny stocks
does not seem there is short interest
market makers sometimes push the price around so they can buy some to flip
yes but they changed that in the april and may reports
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GDGI/filings
chem lane is where they said they were in 2011
and where they are again now
except they took their larger space with them
they are just copying and pasting
and not paying attention
is what is going on there
for two reports they had the size correct
then they accidentally put the size from back in the day
as i said, i recall they said they were sharing
so it is possible for whatever accting reasons
they may be paying the full lease and sub leasing to recoup
i hope they have not paid out $30,000 (or gone that far into debt) for a 10,000 foot warehouse to hold the 100k worht of stock ( 10 machines you could fit in a studio apartments galley kitchen) already this year, but i guess i would not be surprised
i for one am not dancing a jig because having a 3 year lease on a big warehouse means they are making money hand over fist
at least the lease is almost up
if they have to scramble to find temporary facilities for assembly/mfct when they get a big sale, i think that is ok
(i suspect it is almost all subcontract mfct, cause they only have 100k worth of assets or something - that is not a bunch of fabrication equipment, that is 10 units)
any reason the 10q is late except no money?
is there any likely reason they would not put on their 10q on time except that they had no money to prepare it?
i thought in one of the PRs they said they were splitting space with someone - the PR about cutting expenses
i think it is possible that they are paying the whole lease and then subletting the space to nortech or whoever
all through 2012 they were in 12,000 feet
look at the annual report revisions released in 2012
they are already in this space last year
or at least reporting that they were
1. who said they increased space?
the annual report revisions published throughout 2012 all say they were at chem lane in 2012 in 12,000 feet of space
they were at producer lane in 2,000 ft according to the first annual report for 2012, but in the two subsequent revisions they were at chem lane in 12,000
now they are at producer lane in 12,000 ft
the annual report shows the state of the company the time the report comes out. you dont resubmit your financial information as it changes throughout the year, so i dont see why you would/could resubmit your facilities information. that goes in the 10q or the next annual report, not the last annual report.
so it seems to me maybe they were just sloppy and mis reported it.
i mean, they have a 7,500 ft facility both at producer and chem lanes that they have been in and out of, both wiht a three year lease ending nov 30, 2013. nope. the corrections are corrections to an error, not a PR telling us they increased their space.
2. they thought they were getting a deal "very soon". we already know that. maybe they did actually add more space for that deal and for some crazy reason are now putting that in the annual report for 2012. we alrady knew they thought (and i hope still think) they are getting a big deal any minute.
y'all already what know what i think is amazing.
GDGI for one, is amazing, and another thing that amazes me is people's willingness to take things like etrade and others reporting the entire float on the bid (clearly an error) touts
announcing their intention to tout, and the company doing a sloppy
job reporting as evidence that success is coming very soon\
*ps possible the address has two different names. happens in rural mountain states more than suburban cali, but who knows
100% expecting it to come out when it does
which i think will be when they have new revenue to pay for it
which i do not think is the case now, or we would be looking at it already
i am about 90% sure about that second part
look for a 10q with news of sale or royalties right around the same time
the next window is between now and this time next year
i am thinking it is pretty easy to predict correctly if you dont over-estimate your knowledge
i am sure its gonna rain tomorrow unless it does not, but beyond that i decline to predict
similarly, i dont think i have any way to know when GDGI will release the 10q and get a sale, but i do think it will happen before they give up and wind down the company
i urge those who think otherwise to ask "is this what i have reason to believe will happen? or is this just what i hope will happen?" if you create expectations that are not met, you might end up talking yourself into selling a stock that will do very well in the long term
why is that week more likely than others?
i dunno about that
obama made an announcement that he would close gitmo too
he made that announcement annually for several years
anybody who made bets that paid off if the presidents strong gitmo push changed anything are out their money
so i dont see the market counting any chickens
before they hatch as far as energy efficiency
tax break legislation goes
this whole congress is pretty sensitive to revenue issues
nice guess! big magazine article about GDGI?
i think i threw that out before now that i think about it
popular science for instance would be huge
well, as i said, the government is not going to surprise us by suddenly passing an energy subsidy bill in June that is not on the radar in May. maybe someone will announce the intention to pass such a bill, but that does not mean it will get passed.
also i disagree that developments affecting the market for GDGI will necessarily have a significant effect on stock price without any sales.
yes, the potential sales growth would clearly be larger, but multiplying zero by zero yields zero, if you see what i mean. this stock is valued at less than half a penny despite its great products and patents. i think that is because the market, while it may recognize this product has huge potential, is not confident that the company will execute.
but maybe with a 40% tax credit for energy saving techs, a lot of people would start looking at all products of this kind and it would bring in new money and the stock would rise.
if there is a major development in electric prices, the need for AC, or government rebates/loans/incentives for energy efficiency, all that would effect the growth potential for GDGI sure. i would not expect to see any of that added potential affect the price until they book some big sales though.
now i am extra curious. it can't be a big change in electric prices. that would only happen from a sudden shock event. climate is heating up but slowly, so that's not it. nor is it govt incentives because something that is gonna pass in june is not invisible on the radar in may. so i wonder what it could be.
sounds like something that is not specific to GDGI but effects the need for the product and the return on investment
i wonder if you have to keep it a secret, and if so why.
114 degrees in Delhi today
my friend is over there strolling around
most people in india are too poor to have AC but a small minority of the people in india is still a huge number of people
also the auto factories cant possibly be without ac
if the ambient temp is 114, a covered factory would be hot enough
to kill workers before they finished their shift
students at an engineering school in india did a paper on cool and save that won an award
i hope in the next year we hear about the beginnings of sales there
i think you are right that publicly held companies are unlikely to be featured on shark tank for a variety of reasons
maybe dancing with the stars?
please give us a hint mr mysterious
is it:
a big sale?
a new major investor/buyout?
an endorsement from a major AC manufacturer?
coverage in a big magazine (like popular science)?
or what?
out of one two mistakes
i dont count so many
one they did not get paid south of the border for something
well, they do have 40k in receivables
ok maybe one sort of
re not being able to follow through in SK
they put one unit in or something?
and now, instead of selling all the units through the us
with tarriffs, they have a mftring sales and distribution
agreement
yeah, selling 100% through the US already might be more money
but could anyone score that when the buyer sees zero big sales
and the potential to eliminate tarriffs and reduce
production costs?
maybe in the not so very long run, having a asian tarrif and price advantaged mftr might not be so very patriotic, and yet quite luctravite, not to mention
pretty impressive cost control, something that a company with assets of $350, patents, and a short hair might value
i think you can agree,
and even if you can't
it pleases me that you are capable of civility
clear though
and optimism regarding the long term prospects
of my latest outrageously lucrative investment/speculation
re desalinization - that was hyperbole
and as i had guessed, in the extreme hypothetical case it would work as post and links show
but i am saying, even in a dry climate like chennai india, you save so much money and energy, that, given that there are plenty of places that can be more water efficient with a small investment, you can easily save all the water you USE (not waste) reducing energy use by making something else more water efficient, scoring PR points the process. (lo flo faucet, low water landscape etc)
and also - i dont know what bid whacking means for sure, but if it means selling at the bid, on a low liquidity stock like this, it doesnt necessarily mean manipulation is afoot. it could be someone who placed this bet sas a trifle, and just wants to make a quick decision and get out. if you want to sell 1 million today, you can agonize and maybe sell it for .0037 over five days, or you can say ' i was in this for a long shot and ready to lose it all, now i am out. '
i, as you know, am in the rather large camp that believes the product and tiny debt combine to be worth way more than the market is saying. tiny stock, pump and fraudulent dump, no wonder its nowhere right now. but the value of this simple idea is huge and sooner or later, quite possibly later, cause current leadership is honest, but far from a sales powerhouse, this company will save AC users BILLIONS yes BILLIONS of dollars.
some of the rather large camp have been muttering about their thoughts about timing. speculate on timing at your own peril. who knows? think carefully and be honest about your answer: the buyer? the seller?
nobody knows.
this is what i know.
s'why they call me
the pedant
question - what is the electricity cost of providing one gallon of water from desalinzation?
a = 15 watt hours a gallon
question - what is the water cost (savings) of providing (conserving) a kilowatt of electricty?
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/environment/how-much-water-does-it-take-to-make-electricity
1 gallon of water per kilowatt (1/1,000th of a gallon per watt!) to 1,000 watts. so, it depends, huh?
if you are using biodiesel as an electricity source, and you are not particuarly efficiently, you can save way more water than you use.
and then there is the whole other issue
where somehow ask slapping is morally superior to bid whacking
bid whackers can be longs who are holding a lot still
but want to sell a significant amount and dont want to trifle or wait
ask slappers can be highly confident and urgent buyers or people wishing to spend $10 commission to post a high daily close
some want it go up long term and the rest doesnt matter
there are none who want it to down long term and the rest doesnt matter - that bet does not exist
there are those who want it to go up short term and the rest doesnt matter
many shareholders of this stock fall into that category to some degree, but they would do better to take a long long view i think - look at what this does!! 20 to 30% savings 2 year payback. BOOM! and energy costs wont go down ever, or at least not until exploding ice hits the market in 7 or 20 years.
this stock is valued at less than a million dollars.
imagine saving 20 to 30% of the electric cost of AC in all medium to large buildings in areas with year round AC needs. the number is enormous.
OK !!!
i think i can probably even show that the water use for this technology vs the energy price is such that you could desalinate ocean water to offest the water use and still save electricty.
here i go...
Century Link in vegas definitely tested a unit. i did not see confirmation that they bought one. i thought i saw information about casinos in vegas, but all i could find was this - two casinos in mexico: Greenway Design Group Inc. Announces Installation Order for Kash Casinos
Jul 26 12
Greenway Design Group Inc. confirmed that its ESA dealer in Mexico has received an order from the Kash Casino network to install Cool-n-Save systems at two of their facilities. The first round contract is valued at $59,731 for the two facilities located in Naucalpan and Cuernavaca.
not a typical penny stock.
i agree!
this ain't that:
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/05/15/the-desperate-deceptive-measures-penny-stock-scamm.aspx
EPA and Harvey Mudd and Tulane have all endorsed this technology, a board poster verified with a firehouse in Illinois (not a year round AC climate!) that they had purchased and installed and were happy with performance, several casinos in NV have installed this, and the company has half a million dollars in revenue split more or less between 2011 and 2012.
they have approved patents for several components of their misting system, a royalty agreement with a company in Korea for production and distribution in Asia, and various companies trying to sell the product in Mexico, Costa Rica, The Philippines, Australia, Korea, and seemingly India, since they recently tested a unit at a university over there.
plus a week or two ago, volume jumped up to 1.5 million (or maybe 150 million, depending on whether or not you think the float trading all at once was a reporting error or an unusual but real event) and some touts will be touting, so it could go up this week. or something like that, if i understand correctly. if it doesn't, i recommend considering what the company has and what the company has said and deciding if it is still worth $800,000.
coincidentally, that is what is left of their debt now that the EZ English debt is removed. a single multi unit sale of the sort the company continuously hopes is coming very soon could erase that. debt free, patents, and millions of annual profits on the horizon would be a nice position to achieve by the end of the year.
or tomorrow or sometime before the end of june, like mr tex says he thinks, underlying his sudden one day $36,000 purchase.
perhaps testifying in front of the SEC also involved getting reminded that they are not supposed to release information to individuals before releasing it to the general public
i could see how getting called up to the SEC would make a person a little shy about things like that
yeah me too. billion dollar company? getting out will be no picnic if things are not more obviously good, and things will still be good someday. they could reduce their bills to a cellphone to collect asian royalties or fill and order for one of several groups around the world working to sell on commission. i think this company will stick around til and eventually it will sell a couple big orders and some of the big customers will PR their green commitment and growth will be exponential. why not?
CHENAI india: According to the provisional results of 2011 census, the city had 4.68 million residents making it the sixth most populous city in India; the urban agglomeration, which comprises the city and its suburbs, was home to approximately 8.9 million, making it the fourth most populous metropolitan area in the country and 31st largest urban area in the world. Chennai's economy has a broad industrial base in the automobile, computer, technology, hardware manufacturing and healthcare sectors. As of 2012, the city is India's second largest exporter of information technology (IT) and business process outsourcing (BPO) services.[7][8] A major part of India's automobile industry is based in and around the city thus earning it the nickname "Detroit of India".
that place is hotter than some very hot balls until the hotter than very hot balls season rolls around, and the name of that season is an understatement.
lots of of manufacturing - these people may be poor enough to live in homes without AC but there are huge production facilities that have to be cooled to avoid having the employees burst into flames or melt
some students just won first prize for their engineering paper on CNS. i have not seen their conclusions, but i doubt they are going to be contrarian and buck the Tulane, US EPA, and Harvey Mudd conclusion that CNS is awesome. (is the technical term for 2 year payback energy saving device that is scalable)
some day, somebody down there will buy enough cool and save for 100 x 10 tons of cooling capacity for a million dollars and then every other facility in chenai will follow
if 400k people work indoors in factories, 1 in 10,
about 40 people (plus machines) per 10 ton unit equivalent
that is 10,000 CNS units with a price of 10k to 20k each
the revenue is one of those numbers where you might lose track of the zeros, 100 million. that would not go down in a year, but if their world wide sales reach that in a single year, you might see a valuation nearing a billion dollars, or $4 a share.
well in this scenario maybe 50 bagger
the scenario
is supposed to be that the market reacts significantly to the 10q saying the debt went away. very little buying pressure would push this up quick. i am not expecting revenue in the 10q nor more than a blip for the debut, but i wont be totally surprised either. if it happens the way some people think, that could push us to 2 to 4 cents right there. from 2 cents, big news could carry us all the way back to 20 cents, or 40 cents in terms of pre dilution share structure. with a million dollar sale, double last years prices is not unreasonable. so more like a 50 bagger.
well let's work on our friend
that rash young man said he was pulling out at the end of june or something if the company does not announce something or at least respond to an email
june or july is not when to fold em
it is when to hold em
this product is not going to sell any faster than they can sell it just because "we are due for some news"
its gonna sell when they can sell it and then everyone
who stayed in is gonna get huge returns
it says followed by a big sale...etc... and a tout
so i suppose it is not clear that they would be sequential
it could all be simultaneous
i would have said "and then a tout" had i meant
i was hoping for them to be sequential
i gather that is the way it is done - tout at the same time as news.
had i not heard that on this board,
i would think it would be much more effective
to release news incrementally creating
gradually increasing momentum
and try to time the tout to when the momentum
would otherwise falter
but i defer to the knowledge of those more experienced
that a tout would come at the same time as news
and not shortly after
i dont really need super model foot rubs
regular balinese foot rubs will be fine
and i think the stock will do pretty well
without the tout that i am not expecting
well, prepare to wait some more maybe
wishing doesnt make it so
maybe something big is about to happen
but a long silence does not necessarily portend big developments already happening
nobody at the company said they had money already
nobody at the company said they could make the 10q on time
i hope the 10q comes out just a week late and the broader market gets excited about the debt reduction and maybe even revenue in the 10q, possibly followed shortly by news of a big sale, and while super models prance around and rub my feet, a tout. but i am not holding my breath.
well, i dont see where cool and save won an award
the students won an award for their analysis
the technology did not win the award
but i think its pretty safe to assume
it also works in india. same physics over there i think.
and an in country analysis and the mild notice
it can draw can certainly help.
nice find!
duplicate post
dont know why that happened
as i said
one screen said 130 million
the other said 1.3, 1/100th
and when i put up a bid for 10k to test, the bid amount rose 1 million on the one screen and 10k on the other
so i am pretty confident
it was 1.3 million
which was double what we had been seeing
that lasted for a couple days
i will be happy to eat my hat when it turns out they get touted and maybe that was an indicator
but i am pretty confident in my assessment that bid and ask volume doubling or tripling for a day or two and total traded going up to almost a million is not a reliable indication of anything
there is a high SDEV and VAR to the amount traded/amount bid statistic, so a two day fluctuation that resulted in a total of maybe $4,000 of stock being traded does not look like a big indicator to me.
i bet they are waiting as fast as they can
gringos wait very fast, too fast for central america.
all y'all are waiting way too fast. the CEO said pretty soon back in january, quite possibly in reference to a MX or CR deal.
well, bien, muy pronto. que? ya es solo mayo.
new might come in may or june. MR TX thinks so. ain't necessarily so. what is necessarily so: real product, real savings, real short payback period, real EPA and university endorsements, real happy existing customers even in upper midwest (Not year round ac climate the firehouse) and probably still real pending huge deals, plus real royalty agreement in asia and real 2 million dollar debt reduction= incredible (10bag plus) long term prospects for the stock
on top of all that, at least five tout services announced they would be touting soon, and GDGI has its 10q due soon. of course so do 10s of thousands of other companies. so the fact that five tout services announce a forthcoming tout alone only indicates a five in 10s of thousands chance, but of course there will be many touts around 10q time, not just the five announced, so their odds are better than 5 in 50,000 maybe.
still, i dont see how touts announcing they might tout around 10q time shows any increased likelihood of GDGI receiving a tout.
if that was not enough to convince you, several trading platforms reported volume at the bid near the entire float! now, at the same time on different screens they showed 1/100th of that volume, in line with normal trading. so it is remotely possible that the figure that looked normal and believable, rather than the utterly incredible figure, was correct. i notice when i put up a test bid for 10,000, it showed up as a million. science!
while i think the 5 touts announcing they would be touting, the presence of oxygen on earth, and the misreported bids do not constitute strong evidence of near term developments for this stock, perhaps there are forms of logic and reasoning with which i am not familiar
i agree! it would be excellent if they touted, and the fact that five touts say they will be touting soon shows there is a chance they might tout GDGI. there are also 10s of thousands of other penny stocks they might tout though that are also about to reach their 10q reporting deadline, so all else being equal, the odds may be around 5 in 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 thousand.
i knew you were not considering selling
of course
i meant that second part of the comment
for the general public
we might be holding/buying through a dip for a while here
be flattered
it means they want to buy some
it's like putting a girls pigtails in the inkwell
now is not a good time to sell
so dont
$ Giant Robot tentacle monster number one super cool mist*
"§ Mist spraying Temperature of the surrounding air through the condenser cooling
§ Air-cooled air-conditioning power consumption 10% to 30% savings
§ United States Greenway Inc. (2010 NASDAQ Listed companies) Technology Alliance
§ Easy to install, immediate effect, highly scalable
§ 2011 Tech America Technology Innovation Award"
hey look at that folks. Photon korea promoted us to the NASDAQ exchange. on top of that recent bid for most of the float, this is quite a kicker. put that together with several touts announcing they will be touting, and its the recipe for the perfect storm. or a month or two of mildly disappointing silence. followed by an eventual ten fold multiplier.
i recommend you get your garage sales planned. or dry out some powder somewhere else. just in case news doesn't come in the next two months and the 10q comes late as i believe it has in the past. just in case short term expectations test some investors' patience so badly they will sell into this vacuum of no bid support. (hint. don't sell. buy.)
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ko&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photon21.co.kr%2Fcomm%2Fbbs%2Fboard.php%3Fbo_table%3Dproduct4%26wr_id%3D1
*of course i realize this is ignorant and racist. korean people like coffee and demure elegance, not giant tentacle monsters and robots.
gotta be same-o
same old awesome story
this product saves 20%-30% electrical cost if ambient temp is above 75 (cause micro climate temp will be above 80 near the ac) even in high humidity cause the heat exchange fins burn all the water out of the air. only thing that kills it is high wind. payback is two years in year round ac climate, so four-ish in 6 month ac climate.
there can be no tech revelations on the photon site i think.
maybe a university or govt endorsement from SK i guess.
is financing available for photon customers?
cant you just google translate it?
i am pretty sure i made some korean pages with GT once.
if they have the money to pay for the process, i am sure they will. but it is possible they still have $350 (but 2 million less debt!!!!). not the end of the world. sales and proceeds of sales under the royalty deal still probably await us in the future. i think it is more probable than not that they will get a big sale sometime this year. who is patient enough to wait on a better than 50% shot for a 10 or 20 bagger?
i hope we don't get to find out! i hope news or 10q and reaction come as soon as some think. i will not be at all surprised if it does not.
i can't believe i said that!
i should have said "there is a post with which i agree."
there is a post i agree with!