It is absolutely and unequivicably a form of a ponzi scheme. I don't know about being started from the beginning, but definitely at least from the point of the BIG RENEGE! You know what that is, don't you? Also, could be as long as near 3 yrs earlier started, because the lying chang PRs began in 2011. The great renege began either late 2013 or early 2014. The lying (but very magnetic and gravitational) PRs were repeated over and over many times with multiple lies during 2011, 12 & 13. This produced many new shareholders and many new shares purchased, as it was designed to do and the setup was now in place with the bottom being fed by retails and the top (insiders, supporters, certain lawyers, judges, ptab, USPTO, investors, mm's, ie, the cabal....just certain ones, not all, which made it a form of ponzi in my opinion. And such a well thought out and good one, that it has worked to that end til this day and there is really no end in sight. All the happenings along the way, can easily be seen as connective dots.

I should note that additional lies and quite misleading statements were also made in the 2 so called "conference calls" (better known by me as infomercials for vplm). It was sickening to hear several BOD spouting all sorts of falsities.

I don't know, but that sure doesn't read as a good thing to me, however no doubt the usual will report that it's another in a long line of a million great things to occur for vplm. Now gag me with a spoon...

I don't know if there are many, but I'm sure there are numerous reasons. All I said was there were numerous dismissals, not just 1 as someone suggested and it doesn't seem to be the right direction to be going, in getting all these dismissals...?

Dismissed is dismissed is dismissed. If dismissed w/o prejudice, do you know for a fact they are to be refilled?

How badly did the super lawyers botch things to require dismissals? Or is there some other reason?

Doesn't 5 or more dismissals seem a bit strange?

I don't know what all of them are but if you look on the website news, I see at least 4 were dismissed with 4 different companies. So with this new dismissal, that's at least 5.

More than 1 case has been dismissed

What do they call them.........super lawyers?

When you realize none of that matters, you'll have completed the "discovery" phase.

...and that's all there ever will be......pending and dismissals....

Because no one is interested in a sale or settlement. The interest, as always, has been in keeping the big, mean, green, fiat share printing/selling/personal atm machine oiled and running as smooth as ever. All the rest is part of the big farce...the big show production...the big mirage....the big STORY! . The insiders and supporters and regular private placement buyers, don't want anything to change. Remember, lord emu of eGipped wasn't found guilty of breach of fiduciary duty because he care about the retail shareholders......

"identify infringing patents" doesn't make sense, grammatically. I think you must mean infringed patents or patents that have been infringed.

....that's just gas

Would anyone care to explain why these mysterious court decisions are not explained.. The court states a breakdown to be forthcoming but this is not the 1st one of these decisions and I've seen no explanations. Did I miss any?

More fantastic news for the best positioned stock on the otc! Yippee.

There will be be no buyout. There will be licenses. There wil be no big settlements. If the patents were all that, 1 of the 3 things above would have happened before now, what with all the years gone by. I don't believe there has ever been an infringement case where one of the above outcomes has not happened in the approx 10 yr period of litigation, as with vplm. The only case I know of, which has simply gone on longer at all, is the virnetx v apple case but that is not an example at all because that case has been decided by the courts multiple times and kept going back and forth with the various appeals. And the final outcome is that virnetx lost, period. But in vplm case, no infringement judgements have ever been made plus no licenses or big settlements in roughly 10 intense yrs of litigation. I knew and said here years ago that there never would be a judgment for vplm or a license or settlement due to other factors that I've spelled out, which by inference, tell me the patents are either bogus (as opposed to invalid) or there has been no infringement or both. And that is what has played out for these 10 yrs and continues to be the way it is with no indication that will change.

The analogies of Vplm to religion, like waiting for the 2nd coming (patience) and the promises of heaven, hope and faith, etc, with all due respect, are uncanny... Both, vie to control ppl, one way or another..

It seems to me that Vplm, the whole Vplm trip, is causing one case after another of cognitive dissonance. The discomfort is palpable, even thru this msg board.. Considering such a malady, which might be soon running rampant thru the msg board and shareholders at large, is present, it might also explain why there is so much blatant intolerance of others opinions and sentiments and so much disrespect....?

If there was actual very good financial news for vplm shareholders, about any of the cases, there would be no need for an nda on VPLM's part as spreading the good news could only be a good thing for them. But if such good news was not wanted to be published by the defendants, I'd say tough tities to them and that if they refused to allow the dissemination of the news, then the heck with them....and tell them ok, we'll just continue going to trial and shooting for triple damages, which is worse and the whole world will know. This illustrates that there is no good deal or settlement in reality. Just wishful, hopeful thoughts.

Next year could be pink half cent.

If it's clarity you want, forget it. That does not come with the Vplm pkg. It never has and it never will. You just won't accept it or get it. As to the good judges so called fairness, is that what you mean when he tried to wrangle ALL the incoming cases for himself and away from all the other judges? He had to be admonished for doing so and a stop was put to him doing it any further.
I know... I know.... Now you'll explain how bad is good and selfishness is fair. It's the Vplm contagion.

Oh, and he sure makes things go quickly. It's like a blur.

Peaks are Poison to vPlm...

On earth, the ball bounces up...

On vplm world, the ball ALWAYS bounces down.. . See chart...

This, of course... is the result of chronic manipulation, necessary to keep the fiat share printing, selling, personal insider ATM machine IN BALANCE and running smoothly. It's such a beautifully symbiotic thing, one can only marvel at its Madofficity. One could muse...why, it's made of madoff.....stuff.

It took the sec 4 seperate investigations to finally unravel the madoff scheme, thus no telling how long before they get to and thru Vplm. S<7o it is possible, that my 10 yr prediction til the final end of Vplm, which I made somewhere between 5 and 6 yrs ago, might turn out to be much longer. The reason being, aside from the fact that we can count more on the SEC supporting the Vplm scheme, than ever busting it, that the beauty of VPLM's long lastingness, is due to the very lucrative private placement sales that only take 6 months to turn over so it's a candy store that never closes........

Let me get this straight... So what you're sayin is this report depicts a shining example of fiduciary responsibility and madoff style enrichment posture

Would be more productive than sitting here like a bump on a log

There is nothing useful in the report. Might as well go back to pink..

Face it, this black hole is agony for some, very lossy over time and something for the self professed "true long elites" to use for to make them look smart by way of their point by point breakdowns. They are just followers of the culteader and his lieutenants. I should say some, not all. There are numerous very smart and very dedicated to vplm, because the setup and follow thru has been genius.

It looks like finally, pro vplm'ers, regardless of how well versed in the intracacies and details they are and how good their powers of deduction are in the realities of what's taking place with vplm, they are beginning to become swayed by the length of time with zip, the lack of information rightfully expected by shareholders, to be put out by the so called company, the consistently embarrassingly low pps, the broken promises, the inability to sell, license or gain good settlements, the total apparent lack of worry or fear, by the alleged infringers about damages ( but the still have to defend themselves in court) etc etc etc......

.......and are beginning to realize enough is enough and that vplm has single handedly transformed the word patience into a bad word.

Those who keep preaching that big, great stuff is right around the corner a d so hold tuff........are finally being recognized for who and what they really are.

Ike said "beware the military industrial complex"..........and shysters like the emu.

Shame on the mess.

You give it far too much credit... That too shall pass.

You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows

Yeah, lord emu of eGipped cares soooo much about you......that he has no words for you... Warms your heart, no?

Unobtanium perfectly describes the nature of Vplm patents value!

...but...but....what about the 600 IPR wins?

Forget the 10k... He already lost it betting on vplm.

That qualifies him to be on the BOD of Vplm. Nothing Vplm has said has come true either.

Your "explanation" is fatally flawed, therefore does not describe why straightwards theory is wrong. It is fatally flawed because it states and assumes that, in your words:

"the truth is that VP is in a legal battle to receive justice for the infringement abuse they have suffered."

Don't look now....but you CANNOT and MAY NOT state that there was ANY infringement or that justice needs to be served in that regard or that vplm suffered. WHY?.....because it has NEVER BEEN PROVEN or even shown that said infringement has indeed taken place. Therefore that IS merely YOUR ASSUMPTION and of course, suffering and justice serving follows along. Now THAT IS A FACT....IMMUTABLE.... and there's no room for argument!

It also demonstrates that your belief that you "STAND ON THE TRUTH" must be one of those David Blaine levitation tricks...BECAUSE YOU CANNOT STAND ON A FALLACY.

It also demonstrates that when peeps say "facts are facts", what they really mean is facts might be facts and could be facts but when you are within 50' of the Vplm msg board, facts are almost everything and anything but.

You go on to ask the question: "will they recieve justice?" is moot because your premise is a non sequitur.

The experts who opine on the patents, all have built in conflicts of interest, just like the USPTO and the PTAB proved.


badabingbadaboom

At 1st glance, all warm and fuzzy, but veiled and incorrect. It's true that all the info is out there for the gathering, but the notion that all the same info that IS gathered is the same or equal, is far from the case. If you were a BORG and part of the collective, like the big dog alleged infringers are depicted as here, then you would be of one mind and one voice and all of you in the collective would automatically reach the same conclusions. The reason I say the alleged infringers are depicted that way is because all the pro vplm peeps here have said the same thing, (I guess making them BORG as well) and that is that they all (the alleged big dog voip service providing infringers) all decide the best way to be heads of these companies is to steal the patents....every last one of the companies and as their best sense of Fiduciary duty, after they all steal the patents, then to refuse to buy, license, settle, or partner up, as the most fiduciary thing to do. And ea and every one does the above with the assured idea that they will this way bleed the patent owners to death, disregarding of course, in the case of Vplm, that vplm has clearly demonstrated their ability to raise every cent necessary for the fight (or whatever it is that they are really doing...). Oh, and since you can't truly believe they are part of the BORG collective, then you must therfore conclude that the above corporate decisions are all RANDOM
Now back to your equal dissemination and processing of the wide world of info out there, that we all have access to...

The reality of the situ is that we all have extremely wide varied ways and skills at how we do our DD. Thus the bottom line, quite obviously, is that the info available and the various info gathering methods is about as far and wide as the cosmos and in most cases and in my opinion, the only times that 2 of you come up with the exact same conclusions, which you then feel you are licensed to deem it as FACT, is usually only when it's 2 peeps who have a need and desire to agree with ea other in the face of the sea of discontent and disagreement they are constantly surrounded by. You know, a kind of butt kissing goes on in that regard quite often, as ppl seek those who agree with them. This forum is used more as a social platform, or at least as much, as it's intended purpose, which few seem to be aware of what that is and they become snarky and clique-y and hateful and ruden to fellow posters, all of whom have as much right and reason to partake here as they do, regardless of their sentiment in the stock.

I've done 13 yrs worth of careful and meticulous DD on this play as well as formed many of my own conclusions and opinions. And I try to discern and make known which is which. I have intelligently supported every one of those ideas and theories and conclusions with what I deek to be logical and sensible thoughts.

For that they sling "gibberish", "nonsense", "drivel", "stupid", etc and try to say I'm things I'm not and shouldn't be here. Guess they had another think coming, didn't they?

It's all good... All my conclusions and predictions have either come true 100% or at least held up for years and years with zero been proved wrong.

Of course there's "more than meets the eye".....

This who refuse to accept that vplm is nothing more than a story attached to a fiat share printing and selling scheme, never have that meet their eye. They block it out in place of the ol hook, lie and sinker.

If there was an Olympic event for making the dumbest statement in history, it would have to be "Vplm is in its best position ever" & "patience is a virtue" & "big stuff coming next week"....... for gold, silver and bronze!

Reminds me of Hudnell and Vplm....

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's off with her head"

If insiders were selling their shares and using the money to finance Vplm, as someone recently suggested, wouldn't there have to be some sort of disclosure about that or at least some kind of record? I don't believe it for a second. They prolly want you to believe it and put it out there.

It's like watching a bunch of peeps waiting for a sinkhole to open up under their feet.

Some here used to give the virnetx v apple case as an example of a similar case and how patience prevailed.....guess what......after a 14 yr fight, virnetx lost. And it was a final decision. 14 yrs. And the reason was that two faced, back stabbing, money grabbing USPTO.....you know, the ones who are supposed to be the best, most knowledgeable, end all, be all experts who work so diligently to determine validity.......until years later, when maybe they see "a better offer and they reverse themselves. Maybe they should put the SEC, the PTAB, and the USPTO all in the same cell...?

I submit that since Vplm is built upon falsehoods (falsehoods that I have pointed out and identified many times here), and exists and continues to exist based on dynamics other than that of a normal revenue producing company, that explains why the pps is always low and whenever there is a spike, it is never able to maintain it or progress and always is biased to fall back to where it started, or lower. That's why I've consistently been able to predict the price slides and falls after a spike up. Never fails, ever.

It cannot grow because the whole circus is based on no product other than the production of fiat shares that get sold, the vast majority of which belong to the inside, who use these fiat shares to finance the entire operation as well as their lifestyle. Thus there is no mechanism for growth. And the buyers/contributors/investors, especially the regular private placement sales, are what fuel it, as well as the pull of the "STORY" which still has a little pull. There is no room for growth. And there never was supposed to be...

So what happened to:

"indyterp

Re: post# 9512

Monday, 12/16/2013 2:17:00 PM

"It" will be at least $3 +

???

Is THAT right? Then how come no one ever buys them or licenses them or agrees to a serious settlement to ward off the inevitable damages to come their way? After all, if they KNOW it, as you say, then they also know they are cornered and gonna be blown off the map in court. Sure, justice moves slow but the more time goes by, if Vplm hangs in as they have PROVEN beyond doubt they are able to do for years and years, the higher the damages will be, plus they will lose their product. I can't wait to hear you explain this...

Recently, someone kept saying that those of us or some of us who are con Vplm, were using the reasoning, that vplm hasn't won their fight yet because of the time that has gone by. That's a silly and lazy conclusion, at least on my part. I won't speak for anyone else but I have given boucoup reasons why Vplm has not even gotten off the ground yet..and the fact that they've gone nowhere in 27 or 13 yrs, depending on how you choose to look at it, is only one element noted in those many reasons. After all, 13-27 yrs is certainly nothing to sneeze at or to call as normal, but again, it is only one connective dot and not THE reason. Maybe whoever that guy was (or maybe multiple posters?) thinks myopic and shallow like that, but I for one have given many reasons here.

That said, allow me to further blow his theory out of the water....

If he can reason that in terms of "it's a fact until it isn't" (or, it just hasn't happened yet), the the exact same kind of reasoning could work in reverse by saying: "it's a winner, until it isn't". In other words, the pro side claiming the patents are "all that" and eventually will prevail.......until they don't.
I believe that variable viewpoint renders his point moot. It's an argument that works both ways. What gives me a chuckle is there are many arguments that can work both ways like that, but whichever side of the argument one decides to take, they always or almost always seem to forget it works both ways. How convenient.