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paul - win2k3 server
Heh, good timing. I just ordered my MSDN pro subscription. Looks like I'll have a new toy at home to play with :)
neye
spokes, true - But...!
Paris' treachery started the Trojan war.
He also ended up killing the big bad Achilles, so maybe there's something to it, eh?
neye
@Aburner - euro sign
Not sure if this will work, but try using:
"& e u r o ;"
(but take out the spaces and the " marks. Let's try it:
I need about €500 to purchase a good hammer cpu!
edit: looks like it doesn't work :(
neye
@BUGGI - I think that's a good idea
First - thanks for the nVidia link. Those Quadros really seem to be taking the sector by storm, though the wildcats still have a very determined following based on some great aspects of the Creative cards.
As for:
who is tracking the irak war ... I don't say anything about
this topic here ...
given the range of emotions and views, it's probably a good plan to not talk to much about it in the public forums. Just my opinion.
neye
YB - Doom 3 requirements
Server requirements are often drastically different than client requirements. They need to process positions, physics, rules, and networking, not the rest of the stuff that the client has to deal with.
I would think that if anything, the server requirements for Doom3 (which, incidentally, is going to have a rather sparse multiplayer component) will be that difficult to achieve.
As with all servers, fast net-connection, lots of memory, and fast storage will probably be the primary requirements, in that order.
For instance, from one "server tips" page:
We find that an 600 MHz CPU can usually handle about 16 players with decent performance. The performance varies with level complexity and other machine speed factors, so your mileage may differ. Performance degrades as the number of players grows huge.
...
For best performance, we recommend having 128 MByte of memory per running server. For example, for running 2 simultaneous servers your machine should at least be equipped with 256 MByte of memory.
Compare this to the UT2003 client recommended system (right from the epicgames page):
Operating System: WIN 98/ME/2000/XP
CPU: Pentium III or AMD Athlon 733MHz processor (*Pentium® or AMD 1.0 GHz or greater RECOMMENDED)
Memory: 128 MB RAM (256 MB RAM or greater RECOMMENDED)
neye
It kinda makes me happy
Really not a surprise, I guess, but I still hate it.
happy that I'm no longer supporting them, that is.
I switched to Windows a couple years ago (I still have my mac running and networked to my Win2k domain, but it gets the cold shoulder most of the time. Kinda odd - I used to be such the fanatic).
I really wonder what apple hopes to get out of this.
And on an only semi-related note - will this board actually become active??? :)
neye
I hear ya (re: gore)
Regardless of my personal feelings, it seems that they could have picked a less polarizing figure. It will be interesting to see if any benefit (or detriment) will come from this.
neye
YB - thanks for the article (eom)
I think the problem is...
... just that we don't have anything factual/meaningful to talk about. No real reviews, no info, it's been a couple months since any new financials...
What will be interesting is the juxtaposition of AMDs earnings announcements on the 15th or 16th with the hammer release a week later.
Late april should be fun (3.2 Ghz P4 will be out then, correct?).
neye
The intel hype machine spoof
that was first posted on aceshardware forums by P4man, a pretty cool guy that did the "Toms Hardware Tribe" spoof earlier.
One of the cool things about his spoof is that He took 3 of the very pro-intel poster's names:
WaitressInGaza (often abbreviated WIG)
Arcadian (an Intel employee)
Ken F
And combined them for the INTC spokesman's name:
W.I.G Arkenian F
Also, the part about the "say it with me: clock gating" is in reference to the forum discussions and wig's posts.
If you read that thread, and then re-read the interview, it's even funnier :)
http://www.aceshardware.com/forum?read=95023482
neye
idel vs tx/rx vs sleep
I don't know if it means anything, but the 802.11 linksys card in my computer is pretty much *always* blinking it's little green light, as opposed to the solid red light which stays on when simply signifies that it's "on".
As long as my machine isn't in sleep/hibernate, that green light is blinking whether I'm surving or not. This *may* have to do with the software I have installed which keeps track of the connection strength. Also possibly worth noting is that even when the little green light is blinking, but I'm not surfing, the WinXP network monitor shows 0% utilization.
I have no idea if I just contributed anything meaningful or not!
neye
sgolds - from my company...
For reasons that I'd rather not get into, my company legitimately does not allow investment in about 30 companies, and we have to get clearance to trade on another 50 or so. We aren't competitors to any of these companies. Any mutual funds are fair game, however. If you want to continue this discussion outside the public boards, send me an e-mail at my profile address (I don't have a subscription here, so I can't send/receive private messages).
That having been said, I do agree with your statement: but a blanket restriction on stock ownership would be strange, indeed!
neye
for us n'er do wells.
a spell checker isn't available until we pony up the $'s to become a paid subscriber to iHub
neye
sgolds - sounds neat
very similar to my setup other than the mobo.
As for the cpu, we're pretty similar as well, I have an XP1700+ in there. Like you, I use the PC2100 (512) and the Seagate drives (I'm assuming you use IV's, unless you took the jump to the V's).
After I got it working with all the components, I dc(un)promo'd it back to a non-active directory server for some other reasons. And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the reason that you want a domain running? Do you have many other computers that are clients? Do you (or will you) be having employees who you want to be putting in security groups?
neye
The latest Jerry Sanders speech
I don't have a link, and had downloaded it from a link on here, RB, or Aces. I just read it, and was wondering if anyone else who read it notice the love-fest going on for Microsoft? Sanders went out of his way to say very flattering things about Microsoft.
Don't know what it means, but it was interesting anyway. If you want to search for it, the title I have is:
WJS.Semico_3-10-03_Updated.pdf
neye
FWIW, Raid 1 in Win2k Server
I've done this on a few machines, and have been relatively happy. My problem? there was one instance in which if all of the following were true:
1) Dynamic Disks were enabled
2) It had been DC Promo'd to be an AD server
3) I tried to use the floppy drive
The machine would blue-screen. No amount of futzing with IDE drivers, mobo drivers, bios, service packs would help it.
After a complete format and re-install, the floppy drive magically works again, sans blue screen. That machine is built on a K7S5A mobo, which I'm thinking is probably more responsible than anything else.
neye
Elmer - investing in general
I'm still just squirling both my 401K and trading money away in cash. I'd rather miss the bottom and get in on an upswing than take the chance that Iraq/Korea makes something go haywire in the near future and drop the markets significantly. If both of these are resolved satisfactorily, then I'll probably get back in.
It's worked relatively well for me this past 1.5 years.
Yeah, it's not exciting, but since you asked how people are investing...
neye
re: Opteron Server
would sure be interesting to know more about that one. There are seven 1U "boxes" shown in the picture. I wonder if they had more than 1 cpu / box? If so, I'd be curious about how they're being tied together (HT?) since it would cross that magic 8 cpu limit.
neye
OT:UT
As my company just got bought, my best net connection is pretty poor (no longer have the Fract. T1, now just cable at my place). So, we'd be pretty dependent on Jason or someone else with a good upstream bandwidth.
I've been playing a little UT2003 just to test out my AMD cpu (there, I've returned to on-topicness!) and Radeon 9700. It's a nice visual game, but I'd be up for either the new or the old.
Funny - in the office, just yesterday I got my first request to get the lan going as well. We do taxes for some of our clients, so at around 7:00 pm or so, when a lot of the tax folks are still here, there's a pretty decent amount of demand for an Unreal session every once in a while.
Unfortunately, the machines we have around here are, for the most part, not up for it. They have to be used at 640x480, no eye candy. Luckily, the guys and gals (yup, they play too!) don't play enough to notice the bad graphics.
neye
comb, spokes - thanks much! (eom)
OT: spokes or other science types
First, let me apologize for cluttering this board, and if someone can recommend a good science forum (or an iHub science board), I will take further questions elsewhere.
according to some articles regarding the new "big bomb", it will be similar in effect to a very small nuclear device in terms of destructive power. If you haven't heard about it, here are a couple links:
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/3759329?source=Evening%20Standard
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/3759323?source=Evening%20Standard
Anyway, my question is this: How many kilotons of explosive yield is present in a given "conventional" bomb weight?
For instance, IIRC, a small nuclear device has yields of perhaps 25 kilotons (25,000 tons of TNT). This new bomb itself weighs 21,000 pounds, or about 10 tons. This, of course, is nowhere near even 1 kiloton. So, the explosives in these bombs are much more powerful per pound than regular TNT.
But how much so?
Again, let me reiterate - I know this isn't a good board to post this on (other than regards to the vast amounts of knowledge which means that the question will probably be answerable by people here). I will very gladly post similar questions in the future on some other board if someone can point me in the right direction.
The last thing I want is for this to turn into an OT or politics board.
That having been said, any takers who can give insight?
neye
YB - I got caught again
I keep reading "Opteron", and thinking "sledge". So yes, your scenario is actually very plausible given that the claw hammers in dual configuartion will indeed be called Opterons.
And in fact, it's kind of neat that AMD has a built-in mechanisms for keeping the consumer boards very price-differentiated from the server boards, and wouldn't allow "cheating" by the folks who AMD thinks should be paying the big bucks - That is, a dual *claw* opteron board will have two 754 (I think that's the right number?) pin sockets, whereas the dual *sledge* boards will have two 940 (again, from memory...) pin sockets.
And, IIRC, the clawhammer all do have 2 aHT links. The sleges have 3 aHT links. There is no need to differentiate between 1 and 2 aHT link claw hammers - they all have them. Now, here's where I'd like help from someone else...
I believe every hammer-based system *requires* 2 free HT links besides the ones used to connects the cpus together. I *think* you'd need one link to get to the I/O controller, and another to the PCI controller. So, a single clawhammer needs both its aHT links so that it can talk to both. In a dual setup, one cpu would use its free link to get to the I/O, and the other to the PCI controller.
At that point, you're all used up, hence dual is as far as you can go with a clawhammer.
corrections welcomed.
neye
Any questions for INTC/AMD/Sun?
Johan's going to CEBIT, and is soliciting questions for them:
http://www.aceshardware.com/forum?read=95023176
If nothing else, it's an interesting thread to see what questions others have.
neye
YB - I dunno about that...
I think dual-Opteron boards will be cheap, stable, popular.
I think they will be 2 of those three things
I really don't see them being cheap. May turn into a geffen good at the low end of the pricing curve there, and that would be just about the most horrific scenario for AMD - they would have drowned both their ASPs and high-end-chip reputation in one fell swoop.
tough little game to play. I really enjoyed my former job where I got to set prices and measure results. It was all a big micro-econ experiment for me. But, I had about 10,000 sku's to play with. If I got anyone of them wrong, even one of the big sellers, the downside would be minimal. I think I'd be a bit more nervous if I were to be doing the pricing for Hammers. And another point to bear in mind - it's always easier to drop prices than raise them.
neye
Paul - looks like you were right
Well, someone will soon. Probably hardocp.com, I'd imagine.
courtesy of an aces poster...:
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDQzLDE=
looks like the nForce is generally the winner, but the KT400A is right up there, and wins a few tests still. I already have my nForce2, and won't need a new mobo for my other machine until hammer or prescott time, most likely, so for me it's all academic
neye
sgolds - the Via v. nVidia boards
Of course, the theoretical maximum bandwidth for Athlon is 2700MB/S, so nVidia's dual bank technology really doesn't help until you multiprocess.
Or, as would be much more common on an nVidia board, use the integrated graphics "card". Then it doesn't matter if the cpu needs all the bandwidth it can handle - there's still a lot of it left over for the integrated graphics.
Also, as one sharp-eyed poster on Aces pointed out, when Via ran the tests, they used DDR 333 on the VIA board, and DDR 400 on the nVidia board. Result? Asynchronous timing for cpu/memory for the nVidia board, with the resulting higher latencies. As [insert your favorite "wrongly convicted" criminal] would say "It was a setup!"
neye
kpf - niches
While certainly circumstances are different for any given company, there is at least one sort-of-related company who has bucked this trend:
Scaling down to niches would make it far worse for SUN. There is an analogy to AMDs situation by the way, Bob Rivet adressed that recently as "You just cant cut yourself to profitability in this industry". That is true for SUN as well.
Apple has maintained profitability so far. Of course, this quarter isn't looking too rosy, but apple has done a pretty good job over the past 3 years cutting the failures (cube - ugh!) and extraneous product lines (a la performas), and focusing on the niches that they are most well-positioned to deal with.
neye
belgiangenius - my comments:
Any comments?
Given your tone, I'd say that you are pretty emotional about this particular stock/company. It's usually a losing strategy to be emotional about investing, either by hating one company, or loving another one.
Perhaps you'd be better off taking any losses you currently have in AMD, and finding another company/sector/industry for your investing purposes so as to make sure you are able to make your decisions with as much objectivity as possible?
well, you asked for comments, so there are mine. Good luck to you,
neye
I seemed to have kicked it up by another $4 - I bid twice, but was auto-bidded out both times :( I think I hit my limit though.
Nice shirt. Nice site.
neye
spokes, econo, comb - your thoughts please
A definite possibility for Flash incursions for AMD, though.
Is there any reason to think it likely that it's INTC losing flash marketshare, as opposed to the market shrinking and hurting both equally? I have no reason to believe one over the other, but maybe you do?
neye
Bob - database servers
One set of articles you may find interesting are those from anandtech, in which he describes the process of upgrading his site's servers a few months ago. He has a web server, a database server, and possibly one more - I forget. However, since then the Xeons seem to have really kicked into a higher gear, so I'm not sure how applicable this would all be today.
Similarly, if 4/22 brings with it the promised hammers, I'm not sure how applicable this would all be then, either.
You'll probably like the article, as it deals with the business aspects of the upgrade, not just the technicals. So, you'll read about his web hosts, I/O costs, reliability, the problems he had, physical space constraints, etc.
in chronological order:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1514&p=1 (june 2001)
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1604 (april 2002)
neye
FWIW, regarding the 2 boards
I'm relatively new here from the RB boards. I don't really care which board ends up being "the board", but it would indeed be nice if there were just one. The only downside I see to this board is that the title:
1) may scare off INTC folks as seeming too fan-boy-ish
2) may eventually be a bit dated, esp if AMD buries INTC or vice versa.
Like I said though, either way and I'm happy. To have dueling boards seems to be inefficient.
neye
Elmer - you should like this AMD article
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00306/
neye
Hey Aburner!
good to see that you're over here as well. This may very well work. I think perhaps my next post should actually be AMD-related, and thus it will be. Anyway, it was good to see Paul here as well.
neye
Ok, I'm willing to give it a go.
I like the idea of reasonably decent admins, and I'm just starting to get used to the idea of a spokeshave being a noun instead of a non-sensical word, after all this time. Don't want to have to figure out what a filletster is
neye