t
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Naw! We have not met the numbers, so you are right, none of us have got it.
I also see the glass half full. Just don't tell me that you are going to fill it to the top and then stop 3/4 of the way as that was a promise unkept.
Because Solar keeps replying.
I would like nothing better than to hit the revised projections. But I would have liked to hit the original ones as well and then surpassed them. That would have set a great example for Bravada history. Bravada always surpasses or meets expectations. Can we agree on that as well?
Will have to wait and see. But you can bet if they are not met, this board will get blasted and that is what I do not want to happen.
Because it creates the roller coaster ride of Up and Down. We have had so many forward looking statements that have not come to pass, that doing so with sales numbers that are not met, create doubt from invetors no matter what the increase has been.
Correct me if I am wrong, but to be known for hitting your sales numbers or surpassing them most of the time is much better than not hitting them and falling short of the hype.
He revised sales numbers in a PR Q4 that we did not hit. He did the same thing with the last 2 Q's. Stop revising and start surpassing the numbers is my take on it.
I want him to post actual numbers with his revisions. I do not want PR's revising the numbers upward and then not be able to meet them. Doing so becomes the history and I do not like that history.
I would rather have us always beat the estimates as our history. If you do revise, then revise with actual numbers and not forward looking numbers.
And those things are based on FACTS. Not forward looking things that have not happened.
Thatguy--I did not think you were refering to me. I was just stating that, that was not me.
The whole debate with solar was over whether it was great news or forward looking news. Then he turned it into an attack against Bravada. To which it was never meant to be.
If DA can put out forward looking numbers, then he bases those numbers off of what has taken place. Post the actual numbers that have taken place and investors can do the math and estimate as well.
When these PR's come out, they end up hurting the PPS. When the estimates are not met, with most stocks, the PPS goes down.
I would have considered a PR of better than expected sales with actual numbers as GREAT NEWS!
I do not consider a PR of forward looking estimates that have not been met in the past, great news.
That was the whole reason for my post but got all twisted by solar.
I was never attacking Bravada and continue to hold many shares. I do not want the PPS to go lower as my value, which is already in the RED, would get REDDER!
Sorry! But that is not me! I have been in Bravada for well over a year now.
I just know that the PPS is going to spike up and then drop when DA puts out forward looking statements and then does not attain those numbers.
If DA would have left well enough alone and just beat the numbers, that would have been fine. But the PR was put in place for those that obtained diluted shares to sell into.
I think it would be great for any shareholder that wanted to, be able to buy shares direct to support Bravada. If they are going to be discounted, then discount them to current shareholders.
Great news is something that is fact and not some forward looking statement when you have not been able to hit that mark after revising it. If the sales are that good, then report what they have been over the last few months. That is fact!
Never did I say it was a lie, nor do I say that DA is a Liar.
WHAT I SAID AGAIN! AND ALL CAPS SO THAT THOSE THAT MAY BE INTERESTED.
THE LAST TWO PR'ED REVISED SALES ESTIMATES WERE NOT MET BASED UPON THE FINANCIALS AS PRESENTED TO THE SHAREHOLDERS. THUS, WITH THE LATEST PR, SHALL HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF IS MY QUESTION. SEEMS TO ME THE NORM FOR BRAV.
Can I say it any clearer with out the words being twisted on believed that I am trying to do something else.
I would not have said a thing, but Solar said it was great news and when it was stated that it was a forward looking statement and not great news, All this came about.
Just let it go. You believe what you want and keep your opinons to yourself and I will do the same. Can we agree on that? Do that until Monday! Agreed?
And sell it for .0002 and make $100. Wahoo!
You are not understanding my position it seems. It's simple! PR's with forward looking projections that were not met the last time this was done or the time before that is what bothers me. Then someone comes along and follows the PR with this is great news.
Why would DA not PR actual sales increases over month to month? If he can revise an estimate based upon what has, then give us the facts.
And then they tell their friends who tell their friends that this company does not meet expectations.
But they do have Great PR's! Just cannot match what is in them and the PPS stinks.
OK--DA claims that he has a motorcycle and he is going to soar it across the Snake River. Put your money on that. But in reality, he fell a little short. The bottom is a long way down and that is the only place he can go to when he misses the mark.
But if he made it and then told people that he did and was going to do it again, investors would believe him. They would tell friends who would tell friends.
NO MORE TAXES!! Then he did and see what happend? Same thing with BRAV not doing what the Promo's are about.
Again, when companies do not hit the mark or surpass it, the PPS suffers as the sellers move in and take what they can with profits and by doing so, scare the long investors to make posts that they will buy more if it goes lower. That creates a negative attitude.
Now--Surpass the amount and people buy more believing in facts, not unkept enthusiam (if I spelled that right).
Let them talk all they want, but base it on FACTS. Not promos that are not met.
Address how the sales have gone up over the last month in dollares. Make a post about how it is believed that they will continue to go up. But do not post numbers that are not obtained. That causes the spikes up and down. Just surpass the original amount and make that the history of the stock.
I do not like the history being that we do not reach the revised estimates.
How would anyone learn of what the CEO does if not allowed to openly discuss the CEO? When you are the leader, you are fair game on a business standpoint.
As is the Pres of the USA. We all are invested in the USA as well and can speak our minds. That is what this great nation gives us.
Personally, DA is probably a great guy and is making BRAV grow. I do not mind dilution so much if it helps us grow. But why not offer those shares to the shareholders instead of pumping them with a PR to have the PPS then drop?
I would much rather hear from someone that has won the race and patting their own back then to hear from someone that makes a claim every race that they are going to win the race, but come in 2nd all the time.
2nd is not bad, but to say and not have happen is a Yea Sure attitude. Prove it then!
Misleading meaning that we post expected sales figures, then say that is great news, sell off some shares with the spike and then to not hit the mark?
Why would anyone want the stock to go lower and buy more. The shares that are held then become worth less. DA brings this on himself with the unfacted PR's.
All this started with a unproven PR that in the past has not been met. This is not Great News! Great News would have been to tell us how much they have actually increased over the last month as compared to what he thought. Not what he thinks they will be as when he did that last time and the financial came out and the numbers were not hit, the PPS went down as it did today.
This is the typical routine for BRAV. Again, I just wish that somethings would be left unsaid until they are fact and not forward looking.
The statement was made that people are buying, buying. But at a lesser PPS amount than yesterday after what was called great news.
I just wish that DA would keep the dreams to himself until they are for sure. We have heard so many things that have not come to pass, that it gets to the Yea! Sure! state of mind.
Clear the bar higher, raise it if you want to. Just don't tell us that you raised it to not be able to clear it. Tell us that you cleared it higher.
A PR with increased sales numbers is not going to make the employees sell more. You could do the same with an internal goal.
Putting out a PR that stated our sales have grown a certain amount over the last months would have been fine. But to post a forward looking number is no more than making noise to get the PPS up for a fast sell.
Monica pointed that out as well. It has been the story with Bravada.
Pointing out dilution, DA's ride or a stating that a forward looking PR that was not met the last time this was done, was great news, should not be addressed.
That was my whole reason for the first post yesterday. Just let the sleeping dog lie. Post the PR and leave the rest alone.
It does not make sense to me, if someone owns 3 mil shares and did not sell at and could have sold at 4, why would they want it to go lower to buy more.
What is called negative in posts to bring the stock down, is the opposite with being positive to sell. thus the reason for the PR.
If we would just stick to the facts. Let the PR stand on it's own. Like all companies that do not hit the mark, they are then downgraded and people jump out. We had a spike with the PR, but then a bigger drop.
I still continue to say, clear the estimates by a higher amount. Do not raise them or lower them. Just put it out there and if it gets beat, great.
Two scenarios--You know, this BRAV stock always puts out numbers and they almost always beat those numbers. So my guess is they will again. Then I buy more.
Then we have--You know, this company puts out numbers, then raises them to almost never hitting the increased mark. So I think I will just hold or sell into the spike of the PR.
Set the bar and clear it higher. It does not matter how high over the bar the pole vaulter goes, as long as the pole vaulter goes over it.
To be able to respond to what is thought as a negative, gives those of us the same ability to be able to respond to what is thought as someone pumping this up and making noise about something that has not happened.
I am long on Bravada and have been. Just Frustrated by promises that have not been kept and base Bravada on Facts, not forward looking statements of protection.
Then do not ask "What's the Problem?"
The post was that it was Great News! It was not great news. It was forward looking news. Can we agree on that! Can we also agree that DA did the same thing last time and the HIGHER REVISED numbers were not met on the financials and the PPS went down after they came out.
Just stick to the facts and what is real and BRAVADA will take off.
And the same thing can be said for those speaking positive of a stocl. That they want it to go up so that they can sell it and get out. A perfect time with the forward looking statements.
Paddy--Out of posts for the day, so added you here. I am long on Bravada, but as you know, have been scorned like others. DA needs to just report how well the sales HAVE, (PAST TENSE) been.
I do make a funny once in a while
Dang Dude! It's what a lot of us did when it got down to the low. That's what we are trying to say. we will support it if it gets down to a certain point that we can afford more. We know a great deal when we see it.
I do not consider it great news. This is the issue! I consider it what it is. A forward looking statement that in the last set of financials, did not come true.
What are investors to really believe?
No one is talking against the company. Moni, Missy and myself are all longs. We want the PPS to go up. We just know what happens when DA puts out revised numbers that are not met.
Now it gets flipped to no PR's. PR's on FACTS are fine and great to have. A PR on the Google ad words was great. But that PR was based on a FACT of numbers.
The PPS has plumetted after the last set of financials came out as they did not meet projetions. This same thing happens to most stocks when projections are not met.
This is why I say, stick to the facts and what is real. Tell me how much of an increase in sales Brav has done over the last reported month.
And again! The Google numbers were based on FACTS that you could count on and not forward looking.
Increased numbers are good, but when they are not met, as in the past, the noise is not believed by some of us. Some take the Yea Sure attitude. Prove it this time before I will do anything.
Who said I did not like Bravada? I have issues with forward looking statements that are not met.
The questions was asked what is the problem! Answers are given and replies to those answers are not liked. Then do not ask!!!
You don't want negative posts, but the question is asked what is the problem.
That question is the problem on this board. Ask and you shall receive.
Ditto Missy! I just want DA to keep it real and blow the roof off with sales. Surprise us all with what is real. Don't tell me you are taking me on a cruise and then bring me a canoe.
So if he tells you that you are invited to a party and then does not have one, what are you to belive?
No one forced me to invest either. But I do not like forward looking statements that were not met in the past.
Projecting future sales is not being REALISTIC! Realistic is what is on the filed financials.
I invested in what was real! Not yet a single store, but a signed lease and publicity.
With the projecting of numbers that are not met, this does not look good. It is more DA making noise about what he wants, but then does not happen.
Evidence, Up listing, Canada Store, 3rd Bravada Store, The MGM Store to which none of them have come to pass. Not even our own private label. On top of the last quater revised numbers were not met.
These are the reasons that I wish DA would just stick to the facts.
That's where I wished DA would have just laid low and then bettered the original numbers, because when then are not met, some believe that they will not be met this time either.
If the track record is better sales then projected, that is good.
If the track record is does not meet revised estimates, this is not good.
That would be my wishes. Because the last PR was hype and we did not meet what he projected. Thus, some of us believe that these numbers will not be met and will sell into the noise which causes it go to the lower side as it did after the last financials.
Just report facts and not forward looking statements. Signing a lease for a new store, is fact with forward looking plans. That is fine. But make a PR about wanting to open a 3rd store with nothing to show for it, is making noise.
He did not announce Great Revenue Increases! He is Forward Looking Great Revenue Increases. There is a difference. When they are not met, it causes fustrations. Keep it real and let the Finanicals speak for what is real.
Moni is usually positive with an off buttong just in case. She does understand what Bravada does and some of us get frustrated and speak our frustrations through this board. That's where we have to learn to control those frustrations.
I really wish that nothing had been said about the higher expected sales. That DA would have just listed it in the financials. Keep in real! Not forward looking.
That would be fine with me. I appointed you both as I have trust in your judgements. I do not know how to change the stickies. I only took the position as there was no one there and I did not want to see posts that were not allowed.
So do I! I would love for some sort of news to come out from the Dr. to let us know what is going on. It has been way to long since we heard anything.
That is fine, but our CEO is not Roxanne, it's Roxanna. When someone makes a post of Don and Roxanne Weber doing something it alludes to our CEO which it is not.
Don was not even her husbands name.
It was someone trying to make noise based upon some other fact that had no business with EMXC.
I should have replied to no one. It was not at your post. But why do DD on someone that has not even the same first name as Roxanna? Just people that do not know her name or try to make noise.
Why are we posting this info. This is not ROXANNA WEBER from EMXC. How bad is this DD?
Our CEO is ROXANNA!
Not Roxanne!
Two different people!
First it was said that you did not know where it was. Now you know about where it was. Then post it or get off the subject. Big Jim is right. Don't tell others to do something that with a single post has not been done.
Put up or how ever that statement goes.
Big Jim is right! If it is in the past, then if you bring it up, then you need to post the proof right along with it. If not, then it is no better than a forward looking statement being made by a person making noise about something that has not been proven.
I would expect more from proof form your posts if it is there.