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I hope your right but it has been quiet for 6 mos without any beef in their PRs-- just intented to get, have rough draft of 3rd qtr earnings, spin off from Roar to get stock, the 100M dollar given business Atoll was to have by the 3rd qtr, new acquistions to come soon and I probably missed others so please add them to my list.
You hit the nail on the head they do not live up to their PRs and give us updates. It is as if they do not care about the shareholder. We just get spin from at least two paid promoters. No beef in the updates from the promoters. I own the stock and my patience is running out with the lack of managements updating the investors.
You have it wrong ST calls you like Putin Jr. He tries to control the media like Putin does in Russia. They do not have a 1st Amendment in Russia. They also do not have to disclose that they are paid by a company. I took took this up with the company to force him to put disclosure on his emails. He does it most of the time now.
I meant 3rd qtr earnings
Frustrated Male - no 2rd qtr earnings they promised this week.
Your correct the stock is telling the story right now and it is not good. If the company was doing well there would be leaks to mve the stock up. Unfortunately I will probably have to take my losses here and move on if the earnings do not move the stock. If the news is good most companies there are leaks small leaks for the good information. We are aout 2 weeks away from the earnings and the stock keeps going down. Not good and everyone here is like you say longs hoping for the best. This has become a trade that is turning into a very long term investment if I want to try to ride it out. The ride looks to me like up to a yr - I hope I am wrong but been in too many stocks that act like this and my gut says not good. I think the MMs took use for a ride like usual.
Accepted. In the future I will ask you to call you are well prepared with good questions and good memory to write this all to us. I got the feeling they want to control expectations for the company vs what people are saying.
Funny everyone accussed me of beig a liar that the company called me on Friday while I was driving on I-70. Funny people call you names before picking up the phone and making a call. I was shock to get the call and as quicly as I did because it sounded like a paid answering service to take the call the takes them for other companies. So am I am liar - I think I am owed an apology from the ones calling me a liar.
Accepted
I hope you are wrong but you cannot fight the tape and it has been ugly. My tells me you might be right because the tape has stunk for the past 2 wks.
Shareholders that care voice their concerns to the company some even buy lots and get on the board to make changes. Take Carl Ichan and Boon Picks and others. They take an interest in getting the companies to make it right. They express publicaly and private the changes that need to be done. These are great PRs but when your on PK sheets, small company on the OTC all that matters to the big investors is earnings and if they can keep growing and beat the estimates. So far this management is doing everything right but the proof is in the pudding and it is called earnings. So they have to put the numbers up to get the buying that will move the stock up & can crush the remaining shorts. Until then the buying isn't strong enough to accomplish that. Fundamentals are what count their bases is earnings.
Thanks for that great information on market size for TV ads. Question is how many outlets are competing for the 500M you say is the last 5% of ad $s this yr. If we have an idea for that and the number of shows I think you could put together a good base line for the business for AAGH. I do believe with you that jocking for being on the show is probably going on. The company needs to put up some decent numbers to help in the jocking for ads on their show. Like I said it appears they are really looking to make a good showing to get those Jan/Feb ad dollars. I do not know anything about the media so how fast do those dollars get to the shows. In industry things take yrs.
I agree with you the PRs so far are just fluff. They have put the numbers up to make the stock move. Next year will tell the real story if this is throw awy money of it it is a winner. It has been a crap shoot so far with the PRs and their consultant sinning every PR. Only a little more time will tell. I hope to be laughing to the bank not crying.
I hope you are right. My gut watching this stock has not felt good the way it has traded since its last high. After talking to the company I did not get the feeling they were overly optimistic for this period. I got the feeling it would be ok. When the company told me they were just competing for the remaining 5% of the 20% ad dollars for the end of the yr I got the feeling this would not be a lot. I got the feeling they were putting more emphaisis on positioning themselves for the up coming ad $s in Jan/Feb. I hope the market see that they have positioned themselves well and will discount the stock going out 6 mos and push the stock higher. At this time I only see future statements on the future that will drive the stock back to the old highs and maybe higher.
I appreciate the estimates on the guys that are trying to project the ad $s. I think they need to analysis it two ways as follows:
1. the potential ad $s available in China for next year starting with 80% because that is what is available in the beginning and then make an educated assumption on how much AAGH might get - 1%, .5% - I don't know what is a good figure.
2. Then do the analysis on how many ads they can run and at what rate they can get and etc which the guys here have done a good job on.
With the total available ad $s they might get from my 1. approach then you can compare the 2. approach and see how realistic the numbers can be. I use to do this years ago for new markets in industrey. Compare the total availble to what you think the company can do and it will help you see where there might be problems in your analysis. Just food for thought.
My opinion I think the stock is telling us the earnings and ad $s are not going to be as good as all of us thought. I wish I had sold sooner. I believe this has become a trade that has become a long term investment like 6mos -1yr before I get my money back. I hope I am wrong but this under $1.00 stocks you have buy and sell as soon as it does not behave the least bit right. I have only myself to blame on this stock.
I agree - people need not to accuse or call people something unless they can post the proof on the board. But if you take it lying down it does not say much about a person.
Re read my postings I think the management is doing a good job on the business side. I have been saying they have not done a good job informing the investors. That is my only negative thing I have to say about the management. Any management team that can take a start up from zeor sales to maybe 1-2B in 1-2 years are excellent managers.
My understanding is management is working to improve this area. I do not think this is a piece of junk company. It has great potential if it did not then I would have sold it.
I would like to see what people here think the sales will be the end of next yr. I have heard as high a 3B. I was wonder what other people think. I think it is possible for them to do 1B plus by the end of next yr. I would base that on them getting 5% of the 4B for the Russian clean up and 5% of the EU clean money, 500k for the mideast by the end of this yr and 300k for the biecom& Feecom. If this happens is it possible to see 1B in sales by the end of next yr??? Hopefully we will get some look at what they are presenting to the investment bankers on their growth potential soon. This would be great. If they can do a billion then how can anyone call it a piece of junk stock.
Because you are saying I am a short which is not true. So see the facts before you call someone a short. You need to be a man to call some one a short to his face. I don't believe you can do it and then apologize when you are proven wrong. You just hide behind the MB and call people things you have no proof of. That is what we call a ball less wonder.
I had the same feeling you did when they answered the phone. It sounded like an answering service to me and I thought they would not call me back. They asked for my phone number and email account. I thought I would get a standard email back saying that we will have your questions answered with our press releases. I have had that done many of times or they never call you back. That is why I was surprised doublely because I did not think they would (just get an email) and that they called the next day. Sometimes the calls take a little longer if that person is traveling. So more of you hear should call. You get better information from the company. Hopefully you did not say I want to know the revenues and earnings.
gOOD POSTING. I have a question about issuing stock under S-8. Isn't mainly for the employees?? I had a stock that issued S-8 stock and used it to get the CEO rich and screw the stock holders. It was MTTG. Am I wrong on S-8 form.Please advise
Please send me your plane flights to SF and I will pick you up and we can go over to Scottrade and review my accounts. I have only sold about 4k out of my holdings for personal reasons. We can review the history. There are two branches in SF so looked it up and tell me which one you want to go to when you give me your flights. Let see if you have the balls to back up what you say and accuse people of here on the MB. I do not accuse anyone of lying unless I have the hard facts. So come to SF and see the facts and then you will have apologize here on this board. We while get a witness to review my account when you are in SF. Also Iceman's driver is a limo service that he calls his driver. He does it because Jacob gives the best rates @ $60 to his place vs about $100 for any other driver. I hope by postig his number here he will get more business in the LA area. He a really nice guy and knows Iceman really well. Call the Iceman and ask him who he uses to come to his place or ask for Tom his assistant and I bet Tom will tell you the same thing. Please send me you flight numbers for after this coming Tuesday. I am going to be flying back then. Lets see if you are man enough to call someone a liar to their face. If I was a betting man i WOULD G
I got you message and you are accusing me that I never met with the Iceman. Please call his driver that picked me up from the Burbank Airport. His name is Jacob 818-610-1444 and ask him if he picked up a guy to take him to his house in early August and that person was picked up the next day becuase his wife's mother got very sick and I had to rush home. Let me know he he remembers. He is a really nice guy.
Boy you do not believe a word anyone says here so why do you bother even wasting your time reading them.
Please read my emails - sort all of my emails. I find it funny that people cannot read my emails correctly. I never stated that when i talked to the company that they discussed revenues or earnings. I never ask because I know they cannot talk about this information unless it is given to everyone at the same time - SEC laws - that would be insider information. I have posted the phone # the phone I used it is a US #. I called to understand if we would get any ratings on the show like Nielson ratings. I was in the car driving when I got a call back from the Investor Relationship person. So please call the company ask them if they returned a call to a cell with a 317 area code. Like the other person I was caught off guard. You just do not stop on I70 going 70+ mph to take and car and pull out a pencil and paper and write everything down. I guess the people on this MB expect you to stop in the Hwy and take notes and point out how you do everything wrong. It is funny most of all of the people here complain about and acuse people of lying when they call the company. I think they are doing the wrong thing when they cannot take the time to pickup a phone and call the company. It is amazing how much you can learn by speaking to them. Everyone is calculating the ad revenue here & etc. You find out they are competing for the remaining 5% of the 20% of the ad $s left for the year. Everyone is getting excited about all these calculations but they are so off. The reason is they did not even talk to the company to find out the potential $s for this year. Next year if they do well now they have a chance for the 80% of ad $s in Jan/Feb. No one is going after those people who have made gross errors in their calculation. I like to see those calculation I do not call them liars. They are trying to make sound views but they have missed something. Hopefully the information I and the other guy who talked to the comapny and stated about the samething can help those people make better calculations. We are just trying to clear the air here on where the company is going with their strategy and what potential they feel is reasonale. Instead you just call us liars. It is funny by calling the company you get a feeling if the company is legit. I get the feeling it is and I will stick it out because they have the people that know what they are doing. So before you people critize make some calls. A good company will call you back when they are a small company. When they don't then you have to worry after calling two times. It is one factor I use in evaluating a company.Try it you might like it.
I have always said they have a good management team. I just think they have done a poor job communicating to the investors. Go back and read my postings. I have said they have done a dis service by not having disclosures required by their promoters at the end of their emails. Once i discussed this with the company it is funny their promoters now put a dislosure on their emails most of the time. I have discussed the lack of communications with the company as a large share holder. I have know for a few months ago that they were going to improve the communications. I have some ideas on how they are going to do it. In order to have the confidence of those people I did not discuss here. I like some of the ideas. If they do what I have heard they might do a really good communications. job. I know Todd is working hard to get the financials done and the listings. I have talked to him a couple of times and he has discussed the issues they have. I cannot say that about ST. Everything he writes is spin without discussing the problems. The problems are the culture difference for the importance for earnings releases/vacation time effecting the release/the security clearances the Russian gov't requires to allow certain people onto the premises of ATOLL/needing to find a auditing firm with this clearance to do the auditing/not many qualified people to meet these requirements/US gov't security clearance to review the material to see if it violates any US trade laws for military issues and a few more. So please send me ST's emails and audio's discussing any of these issues. I cannot remember one in which he talks about them. Please send them to me I am waiting. It is interesting that the company can do an excellent job discussing them to the shareholders when you call them. Why can't ST do that and spare the management the effort so they can work on other more important things. Please explain that. Also he is a TA guy and when it broke it's support at 5 he kept saying it is a good time to buy. If he did not have a vested interest he would have told people to sell and buy back later.
On the Iceman I have met with him person to person and discussed the company with his people. I have a little better understanding of where he is coming from do to my personal meetings with him. Even though he seems to pump the stock he truely believes in the company. He had outside experts check the company out before he bought his bargain large amount of bargain shares. At least he will point out the good and the bad things that are going on with the company. You might not like what he says but he is at least trying to get new investors to buy the stocks. I have been at his place watching him on conference calls trying to educate new Hispanic brokers and Black brokers on the stock. Unfortuanately I personally do not believe many have bought yet. Once a listing comes and earnings this might change. Has ST done anything other than spin every PR and we watch the stock go down.
Last I am just trying to get the company to improve their PR. My hat goes off to their IR person who shoots straight and calls you back and gets you in touch with the right people in the company to answer your questions. He has done it a few times for me.
I will be laughing all the why to the bank hoefully soon with my close to 100k shares. So I have a vested interest in the company and as a shareholder I have a right to express my views. I would just like it sooner and hopefully with some new PR it will help. It is my understanding a month or so ago that most of my concerns are going to be addressed. Last the Iceman will help put you in touch with people at the company to get your questions answered. I have never had that done by ST when I have called. I have gotten calls from him telling me to stop posting certain things because it helps the shorts according to him. I realize he is in Russian and they do not have a First Amendment. I cannot believe the company allows for a PR person to tell a share to stop writing his views. This is why i call for them to get a new PR firm from NY.
You might be right they will probably wait until they have a listing to release any of the stuff we need. It would be a waste of ammo. So I think you are saying it will be in Dec before we hear any numbers. I think you are right then the big boys can buy. Makes sense to me. I guess you have verified what I said back some time ago. That I wish I had sold when it broke the 5 dollar support and bought back in Dec.
I got a call today and like the other guy I was caught off guard while driving. The radio was loud when he stated his name and the connection was poor. I did not get cut off like the other guy. It souds like he was called to on a restricted line.
I was driving in my car and could not stop and write everything down. Just call 213-243-1503. If you do not have the coin for the call we will try to raise here for you. I got called backed on a restricted number on my cell.
I am sorry they did not call back. I judge companies on if they return calls. I had one Optionable that did not return calls and it was a sham. I feel these guys do know what they are doing.
I agree 100% with you. As good a TA as ST tries to promote himself he would have told everyone to sell once it broke the 5 dollar support level if he did not get 50k of stock for $50. You can try and say he bought it but when Congressman buy houses or services way way below market prices they get investigated because it is consider a bribe or a present and it influences them. Most lose their job. I still think it will be a get company but it will be next yr until the stock moves. Everything just gets pushed out.
I wish he would comment on all of the things that have not come thru:
- the spin off stock from Roar
- the given next 98M sales from Atoll that were a given for the 3rd qtr
- the contracts from the speaking to the Arabs
- the Russian listing
The company has not come through yet on a lot of these issues and any more PRs will just be taken as fluff by the investment communitity. Even though Iceman gets excited about the stock he will tell you the problems and he is trying to bring in Hispanic & Black investors to buy it. I don't think they have come to the talble because they have no earnings from Atol and they are 2 qtrs behind. Why would the big investors buy when your largest generator of earnings cannot get them out in a timely manner - 2 qtrs behind. At least the Iceman has stated publicaly that they needed a new investment banker and has suggested one. Apparently if he is correct they are doing that now. All I see is cheerleading from the paid promoters not any honesty talking about the issues and how the company plans to address them. When you call the co. they will discuss that with you. They would be better off spending some money on a good NY PR firm. You get what you pay for as my mother always said. Lets hope they get some good news out next week and stock moves. None of the PRs has moved the stk sorry they have moved it down.
Go pt. I have been in the auto industry and most of the new contracts are award in the late fall or early winter.
Good pt and true but the real money - big institutional buyers will not come until they see the viewership numbers growing and good audited earnings usually 2 qtrs.
I got a call back from the company. It is very interesting there view on the viewership and ads. I wish i had talked to them before. They stated that 80% of the adds are sold in Jan & Feb. The remaining 20% is sold thru the rest of the yr. They are competing for the remaining 5% of the 20% at this time of the yr. They are looking to get the attention of the 100 advertizers they presented too recently for next yr. It is interesting to have them explain the situation vs what is said on the MB. I think it will be next yr before we get a big run. I am sitting on dead money until then since I bougth a little on the high side. The management knows what they are doing but in my view it will be next yr when they see how many ad $ they can sell to those 100 advertizers. I cannot believe no one on this board calls them. It is a good sign they called me back the next day.
Looks to me the people in the know know the news coming out will be just ok so they are selling now. I think this stock is done for a least 6 mos by the action of the stock. It does not look good. I wish I am wrong because I am in the hole. My gut told me to sell and I did not listen. 90% of the time it is right.
Your right. The selling needs to stop and the company needs to get earnings out that are audited, contracts, funding, and a listing to get the stock moving. If this does not happen soon then it is dead money until next yr probably 2nd qtr. Because then the big money will want to see 2 qtrs of good audited earnings. These guys with the money are not stupid. If the company does not come through some all of their PRs will be fluff and that is how the investment community will take it. It is obvious that most of the retail are out of the stock. You can tell by the MB postings. This is usually a good sign for stock if the company comes through.They have until the end of this month or probably the first week of Nov to get the job done. The communications has been poor by the company. The idea to communicate is now up their because they have to get the stock up. If not then they will issue more stock and we are screwed.
I called and asked for update on the viewership and ads.
Lets see if they get back to me.
Thanks I will call.
Does the company have a US telephone number to call?? If so we should all call and express our concerns.
Interesting way of placing how you think the show will be positioned in China. I hope you are right.
I did appreciate your point they ar making money that should help to put a floor under the stock.
Maybe not - this company might not get hot again. I wish I hd know that the contestants do not win a million #s. If a person who responded to me is correct they compete for charity money. As he pointed out it is not the same passion as competiting for charity money. If I had know this I would not have bought the stock I am taking a loss on now and will not probably get even for sometime. If it was doing so well on ads and viewers I believe the news would have leaked out after four programs. I might be wrong and I hope I am wrong.