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Sanddollar, Salvage? Quit with the negative waves!!!
The meth gun is gunna save this company. The meth gun has actually been reported to detect meth!
Let's wait and see... the meth gun and Valimed.
I'm giving Valimed 6 more months.
The meth.... 2 years.
And while I'm at it someone please correct upandin0's arithmetic:
"..............Hey, with your 285 and 10K from Adrienne, OUR TOTAL hit 2,880,335...............ADD RLCJR's 4,000,000 and it's 309,600,000 LOCH pre REVERSE SPLIT..........FWIW, that's a whole bunch."
Geesh!
BTW Paige, I saw that DGEI thinks the SOL for Loch/CDEx has expired.
Please inform him that the two year SOL expiration was only for civil liability against officers and directors.
Criminal charges are still a possibility if the SEC investiagtion is still on-going.
"ya forgot Therapist" So I hear. I've already recommended to hair stylists that they do not talk to their clients.
Talking 50.00/hr. extra.
Paige, I don't think that we'll ever see the mystery x-ray tech for explosives come to fruition.
Ever.
UVF is all they really have IMO, and everyone else has'em too, just not taylored for niche markets (Nanodrop being one of the few exceptions).
Do they have revolutionary tech that works at significant stand-off distances?
Not in the real world and not in the package size that they're attempting to market. If you want stand-off distance you need (among other things) large collection sensors/lens. Period. They even tell you that in the patent disclosures.
Can't wait to read the results of the MSHP beta testing, the only product that even comes remotely close to doing what Loch/CDEX originally advertised with ELF/EM-1/PS3.
A 34 inch stand-off in 5-12 seconds was the last performance capability as reported by "wpoteet" on RB. A serious downgrade from the original claims.
Do I think the meth gun will perform anywhere close to that?
LOL.. Heck no. I think they're going to run into the same problem that caused the Army and Navy to dismiss the "revolutionary" tech.
Will it work at all?
Heck yes, it's been recently reported that the meth gun has actually detected meth!
How well it works will be measured by how well it sells, not by how CDEX, Capnmike or anyone else glorifies the product or associated crisis it is advertised to solve.
Paige, can you explain to me what this means:
"...Apparently, “significant stand-off distance” is 12 inches away from a 4 inch sample (scroll down the patent app. a bit, it’s in paragraph 0018) which, to me, doesn’t seem to be that far away as it still requires the user to be “suited up” in a potential hazmat situation..."
What is a four inch sample? What does that mean?
It certainly doesn't sound like trace! LOL
I wonder how close you have to be for a sample "invisible to the naked eye"? What is the sensitivity limit and how long does it take to shoot a trace sample? Guess they don't want to tell us about that or maybe they still haven't figured it out themselves.
Sounds SOOOO familiar doesn't it?!
One of the reasons you get confused is because you believe the BS Loch/CDEX have been broadcasting for years. As always, they leave out pertinent information required to thoroughly evaluate the product.
..."maybe we are field testing the UV meth gun with rays safe enough to be used on Humans..for trace pickup"
The meth gun uses UV, not x-rays. Whether the UV range is safe enough to zap a person's skin I don't know, I haven't read what range the gun uses.
"The illicit drug detector that morphs into the x-ray floresence to shoot into and thru the closed containers and also take on the Counterfeit Drug Detector?"
Sorry Paige, that would require "the new physics" that our late friend Artabraham coined. X-rays cannot detect drugs and can only detect explosives which contain high Z atoms- metals. If you visit the RB-CDEX board, you can read an dialogue between Art and I concerning Loch/CDEX and their fantasy products. Two completely different POV, but we both agreed that we'll just have to wait and see who would be right in the end.
And don't count on a meth gun the size of a cell phone. That sounds just like the BS about an ELF landmine detector with the build in heads-up helmet containing GPS!
New research has the promise of shrinking many trace detection technologies down to very small packages, among those technoilogies are Mass Spectroscopy, Ion Mobility Spectroscopy and Chromatography. Ahura uses stand-off spectroscopy similar to CDEX and they claim that they'll be able to shrink their package down to "a large cell phone".
Unfortunately there's a big difference between CDEX, which is a one pony show and Ahura, which is a fully integrated company with the capability of fabricating their own minuturized custom chips (ASIC) and optics packages in house! If you want to be impressed with bios, read about there research/engineering staff. They're hands-on and not just on the BOD to impress Sassy! LOL (Just kidding Sassy)
IMO, the chances of CDEX coming up with a cell phone size unit are near zero.
But the good news is that the meth gun was actually able to detect a large crystal of meth! LOL
Paige, what is the significants whether the container (e.g., cuvette) is open or closed?
"After you put the sample in... it is then a closed container..Right?"
Yep, pipette a sample in the cuvette and put on the stopper. Place it in the port and hit the button. UV light shines on the cuvette irradiating the sample resulting in a signature.
If the sample volume/UV transmission length through the sample is known, the concentration can also be determined if it has been calibrated against known concentration standards.
"What makes this any different than putting explosives or chemicals in a container and closing the lid and then shipping it to the US? I don't understand the difference."
UV won't penetrate the box. Also concentration cannot be determined like Valimed since there is no way to an open air detector can have a controlled environment to calibrate against known concentration standards.
With an open air detector one would speak of it's sensitivity limit or how small a trace the device will detect at a given confidence level. The meth gun and the FirstDefender cannot determine concentration through a bottle.
Because it's an open container when you put the sample in.
Apples and oranges Paige. CDEX's technolgy platform is all based on fluoresence- the ability to excited a target with "light" and have that target emit photons for analysis.
The first patent and the basis for ELF/EM-1 used "light" in the sofy x-ray region of the spectrum to excite the target.
Valimed uses "light" in the UV region of the spectrum to excite the target.
In both cases the targets fluoresce, whether by x-rays or UV.
Electrons in the target (the meth, drug or explosive) absorb the energy and become excited. When the electrons cool off they release the absorbed energy in the form of photons of light which establishes the signature or spectral fingerprint.
The "x-ray patent" cannot be used for Valimed. Any patent protection for Valimed must come from their subsequent "UV" patent applications.
Paige, we've been through this before, the patent awarded to CDEX was for x-rays- XRF. Valimed doesn't use x-rays.
"I'm still wondering if the ASD patient infringement suit wasn't part of the script."
Funny you should bring that up RA. When Griffin mentioned the timing of the lawsuit in his CC, that's the first thing that came to mind. Maybe the timing of the suit did the most harm to shareholder equity, but maybe as the script plays out we will also find that it provided the best benefit to insiders.
It may very well benefit the new and old, inner-circle insiders, not the old, outer-circle insiders which appear to have been recently kicked to the curb with the changing of the guard.
The second I read the "Pied Pipers" backing up Griffin's little sob story, the more I believe it's part of the same ole game we've all seen in the past with the likes of RS et al.
After all, the ball was in CDEX's court as far as timing goes. ASD just didn't suddenly file suit against CDEX without a good deal of prior communications. Parties try to settle these matters with as little legal fees as possible.
We have all witnessed how Loch/CDEX can manipulate communications to their advantage. Maybe CDEX was in communications with ASD as a stall tactic and when the timing was right, they stonewalled ASD forcing them to file suit.
CDEX had control over their own destiny with this one IMO.
There have been many posts describing scenarios which establish motive for such a ploy.
"All one has to do is go back to the timeline to see that the first Patent issued may have had some baring on the Lawsuit filed."
How so Paige?
BTW, why do you think spacing out sentences in a paragraph makes it easier to read?
“RxSpec® technology is the first real tool to automate the time consuming and labor intensive manual verification process used in virtually every pharmacy. The technology is applicable in all pharmacy environments, including central fill, mail order, retail, and hospital pharmacies,” says Dr. Brian Curtiss, Chief Technology Officer. “While ASD’s current systems have focused on verification of solid dosage pharmaceuticals in high volume pharmacies, ASD has versions of the RxSpec® system in development for a wide range of additional dosage forms, including injectables and IV solutions.”
http://www.asdi.com/news-pr_seventh-Rx-patent.asp
Why yes... I am quite brillant, I'm a lernt dude.
OH NO!!!! Not an E. Coli detector??? LOL
Colonel Paige, it was a pleasure meeting you and listening to the Clydesdales.
Smooth-operator you are very talented and the band sounded great!!
I just wish the sound system you guys plugged into could have delivered more audible vocals so we could follow the lyrics better. Oh well, not your fault, ya'll have to make due with what's there when playing those types of gigs!
Thanks a bunch for the t-shirt and CD!
There are no more carrots, the meth gun was their last immediate hope. All other carrots have been back burnered.
Desperate times call for desperate actions, approved the 50 million shares or we'll close the doors!
Damn PPers!
That was my point demmo, it's too late to get a research grant (for R&D) and WAY to early for a first responder agency to ask for grant money to purchase a unit.
They're in Limbo.
Xeno, I do remember reading somewhere that a portion of the preferred shares had conversion rights, but I don't recall them being called "Class C".
5,000:1 or 500:1 comes to mind but I can't be sure.
Didn't Griffin say that some of the treasury shares were unavailable because they were tied up with warrants or something?
" wouldn't you think a grantor would look closely at a potential grantee's track record..."
Just what I was wondering.
Remember, there are two types of grants that are being discussed here, research grants and procurement grants for needed goods or services.
One source for possible grants that Griffin identified is through HLS. He described a scenario where a grant may be awarded for hazmat suits. What does that have to do with the meth gun? As much as griffin may like investors to think of the meth gun as an established product it's a far cry from a hazmat suit!
A very bad example by Griffin.
And don't count on March as a production date, that would be foolish IMO. It was an eye opener to hear Griffin claim the "good news" was that the Tucson Police confirmed that the meth gun can detect meth! LOL I though that detecting trace amounts of meth not visible to the naked eye was already a well established fact. So why would that be the good news? now Big red flag IMO!!!
How about a research grant? Can they even qualify for a research grant if the meth gun is already being field tested and is tentatively scheduled for production in March? Demmo47?
Even if they apply for a research grant will they be asked if they have ever received grant funding from other government agencies for the same project? Is the meth gun a niche embodiment of the PS3 which was dismissed by the Army and Navy? Can the IDD distinguish itself as a different technology?
I don't know, but with CDEX being a closely watched company maybe they don't want to take the chance. It's safer to fleece trustworthy investors than the gubermint (TM- Xeno).
RA, do you think Cappy has already considered the above? If you do, then why is he ranting and raving about grants? Hmmmmm? LOL I'm waiting any moment for him to go "open letter" on Griffin!
Grants seem irrelevant to me. I don't see a research grant happening for the reasons above and Demmo's "financially responsible" explanation. And I can't see a first responder agency receiving a grant to procure the meth gun for a long, long time- assuming it makes it into production, and that's a big ASSUMPTION!
"Would our valimed unit be able to identify zinc?"
What type of zinc? The UV used by Valimed will not fluoresce the metal, but x-rays would. The patent recently granted to CDEX would be the technology used in an instrument to detect zinc metal.
If it's some biological form of zinc or something like a chelated vitamin supplement, then maybe Valimed could identify it indirectly.
Why?
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As we have discussed before and Crow recently pointed out again, if the meth gun is successful it may be awhile before the results are admissible in court as evidence.
I'm wondering how CDEX's competitor, Ahura and their firstDefender is progressing along those lines. I think a call to them may prove worthwhile.
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Sassy, happy birthday this coming Saturday! eom
Viking, why hasn't that personal attack been removed?
In other words, without Valimed sales producing profits they ain't got a damn thing to make money with other than selling shares.
Sanddollar, Bwhaaahahaha... etc.
The bad news and the good news about the meth gun beta testing- what Griffin didn't say and what he said:
- It has NOT been reported that the MSHP has successfully identified trace quantities (invisble to the naked eye) of meth in the field, at a practical stand-off distance (with a practical scan footprint) and IN THE DAYTIME! LOL
- On the up beat... the Tucson canine unit brought in large crystals of meth into the lab where they were sucessfully indentified using the meth gun! The meth gun also identified the visible white powder lining the inside of the bag containing the large crystals and identified meth after a swab with taken of the surface.
IMO, if the meth gun can't reliable identify trace meth with a significant stand-off/scan footprint then it's going to be a very difficult sell. Certainly not a "unit in every squad car" just like Valimed will never be "a unit in every pharmacy".
Questions:
1. What is the average shoot time?
2. What is the practical stand-off distance/scan footprint?
3. Has the meth gun been capable of detecting trace quantities in the field comparable to a canine?
4. What has been the failure/success ratio during real world beta testing?
"A BIG company that would take an interest can easily develope their own version of Valimed or any of the other CDEX "concepts" at less cost and less hassle than buying out CDEX."
Also a foriegn company that may have that "not-invented-here" attitude, a foreign company with plenty of technology- like Japan.
Demmo... yep. eom
Is this what Griffin refers to as a nano stock?:
The current Loch equivalent...
.15/45.3 = .0033 x (40/52.5) = .00252
The current authorized is 52.5 million isn't it?
Two and a half cents for your thoughts.
Correct Demo, MP was given a heads-up about the ASD patent almost two years ago.
Evidently, MP and CDEX's team of seasoned patent attorneys chose to ignore it. Well, with the exception of the SafePill inexplicably morphing into Valimed, a liquids only instrument, they apparently chose to ignore it.
"I'm sure it makes sense to look at acquisitions when you can't even fund development of your own backburnered projects ... yeah ... I follow that."
LMAO!!!!!
Just like I did the first time I read it!!
I know that you never said that Xeno, I was thinking of people like Bulldog and Raiderman that demonstrate the capabilty of reason.
Xeno, it is INCREDIBLE!! Griffin's statement TOTALLY contridicts the story he told in his September 25th webcast.
Read page 12 where he answers Bulldogconsult's question about revenue streams. "WE PICK HOSPITALS WITH 300 OR MORE BEDS..."
Who is "WE" Griffin?
Read page 13 where he talks about the safeguards in place to prevent unauthorized signature downloads!
Not knowing where the units go is the most incredibly STUPID answer imaginable!!!
He would have been much better off just saying, "We haven't sold any Valimeds since we stopped giving them away at cost."
How can anyone rationalize based on his tenure at IPIX and his performance at CDEX that this is an honest guy looking out for the best interests of shareholders.
IN-CREDIBLE (TM- Xeno)
OT: Speaking of bribery and kickbacks, I just had a conversation with a gentlemen the other day that heads a veteran's watch group which is monitoring the government expenditures in Iraq.
He claimed that Halliburton (http://www.halliburton.com/) is sole source for all transporation contracts in Iraq just like Air America was sole source for air transportation in South East Asia during the Vietnam War.
Halliburton is sole source for much more than just transportation, but his point was that too many of our boys are dying guarding Halliburton conveys while the fat cats sit at home and get rich. He said that allowing our soldiers to die guarding EMPTY TRUCKS containg no cargo is treason.
He also said he served in Vietnam as a Major and is dying from Agent Orange.
High C, do RB give you the boot?
OOPS! Correction there Paige... I called your bands music "punk country" NOT "punk rock".
It almost appears as if with the coming of the new management team came a shedding of an outer circle of inonit's.
People like Cappy and Closer don't seem to be indaloop like they were before.