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Waiting
Serene, I fold my hands and wait,
Nor care for wind, nor tide, nor sea;
I rave no more 'gainst time or fate,
For lo! my own shall come to me.
I stay my haste, I make delays,
For what avails this eager pace?
I stand amid the eternal ways,
And what is mine shall know my face.
Asleep, awake, by night or day,
The friends I seek are seeking me;
No wind can drive my bark astray,
Nor change the tide of destiny.
What matter if I stand alone?
I wait with joy the coming years;
My heart shall reap where it hath sown,
And garner up its fruit of tears.
The waters know their own and draw
The brook that springs in yonder height;
So flows the good with equal law
Unto the soul of pure delight.
The stars come nightly to the sky;
The tidal wave unto the sea;
Nor time, nor space, nor deep, nor high,
Can keep my own away from me.
John Burroughs
There is a vague underlying suggestion that the stockholders will like the deal but unless you can read tea leaves no real statement.
Human nature:
It’s my humble opinion than many of us, including myself; feel out of control from lack of hard information. It’s hard to have tons of money invested and not know what the future is, not even to know what is being planned. The longer we go the more I project, then the projection becomes real and I argue against it. When I argue against my projection there has to be another side, so I project that. Now I can say management sucks. What I’m really saying is I’m scared. I would think myself crazy except I realize this is all part of having human ego.
There are some rare individuals who can stay centered, we run to them to shore us up. The beauty is if we turn out to be wrong, we can blame them.
We just have to sit tight and stay in the moment!
quantumdot - Does life outweigh your concerns about
this process, extraction of HUMAN protein from goats milk.
The purification process has been patented and holds to
extreme standards. This is not a substitution of goats
protein for human.
Many of these proteins are extremely difficult to obtain
and cost in some cases as much as $30,000 per use.
This renders most people impotent to partake of these
life saving proteins.
We may be in a position to provide proteins for sepsis,
perhaps malaria. But you say if you had sepsis you would
turn this down and take your 50/50 chance of survival.
Think again; it may be you or a loved one in need.
There has been “zero” contradiction to the usage of ATryn
to date.
You can’t say that about proteins taken from blood plasma.
Please excuse my language I am not in the field.
OKY
.56c and .58c gees when I bought and averaged $1.57 I thought
I was doing good. I heard from those who where in at $20 and better and remembered the old nursery rhyme, "stuck in my
thumb and pulled out a plumb", oh what a good boy am I.
I've been laughing ever since, although of late its more
raving than laughing.
But, I still believe in this company and can't or won't drop
my faith. I'm also sorry I'm tapped out but very happy
I've had the discipline to stay away from my core funds.
But waiting is getting older by the minute (ha ha what else).
I should keep away but I'm snake fascinated. We will see.
Bated breath, yes I'm holding my breath. But everything in
me tells me if I don't benefit, my children will be very happy.
I just might be dead right. LOL Ok Ok Monday!
All and all I agree.
"GTC is like INGN. Management of both companies have greatly exaggerated the prospects for their companies"
and yet many complain that GTC has not puffed enough. I'm more on you wave length. Better they be honest and unlike DNDN (also) they have stayed away from pumping.
However I don't think they have effected price any. LOL
I'm thinking Monday for an announcement but wont give the week or month (cause I've never been correct).
Thank you Due, I didn't know. I thought if a company was
creating a relationship the stock holders would vote.
I best stay out of talking business. LOL
By my last posts I hope I haven’t given the impression that
I'm with those that think GTC is playing games with us.
I was trying to represent all of us.
(I know you didn't address me, but I stick my nose in)
I have always found Cox to be sincere, things have sometimes
not worked out for GTC and COX has often gotten the blame.
But from what I can see the problems where truly unforeseen.
Now Cox is being very careful, he is not jumping to the
fears of the shareholder. He is doing his Due Diligence
crossing all the Tees and dotting those IIS. He is being
that great CEO everyone wants, until stock prices move
down.
“Newberry's ramblings”, I don’t think this fair it’s a
Judgment based on fear. The fear of not
understanding what’s going on and having to wait.
All kind of poltergeist show up, speculations,
accusations. I have been subject to some of
it, after all if you cut me do I not bleed.
Its my sense that we will be pleased, but we wait.
There is a few and a couple and there is miss speaking
meaning I meant couple but said few. The aside being
although I meant to say few, I miss understand what few
means and actually if you could read my mind, I meant
couple.
Language is not only imprecise, it’s not accurate either.
~:-O) or is that, “not only inaccurate but also inprecise”
or is that the same thing?
Never mind
My note to tom and his reply. nothing new.
Mr. Newberry,
I am a 5 year stock holder and like many others are on tender hooks waiting for the announcement of a US partner. Because one was promised for the first quarter and as yet there is none, and no vote is scheduled, some of us have concluded.
The partner is holding GTC up, taking advantage as GTC is out of money
The partner backed out and there is no partner in which case GTC is in deep trouble
GTC is more than partnering, perhaps becoming a wholly owned subsidiary
GTC is being taken over
Perhaps something very big not considered
Maybe the announcement of a new partner just needs to be voted on at this point
We are dying out here as the share price had dropped to .45c at one point.
We are gratified to see that several board members and an officer have recently bought a significant number of shares but that is little to hang your hat on.
I realize you can’t tell me much, if anything at all, but at this point don’t you think you owe the stock holders a public announcement. I mean throw us a bone.
Thank You
OKY
The next step of our partnering discussions for ATryn® in the US is a conclusion. The overall status in terms of milestones achieved is at the exchange of term sheets as we discussed in our conference call. This is a late stage in the negotiations. While, as we have stated many times, forecasting the time when conclusions will be reached in partnering is inherently unpredictable, the process remains on track. We will widely distribute the news of a conclusion at the appropriate time.
Best regards,
Tom
Thomas E. Newberry
Vice President, Corporate Communications and Government Relations
GTC Biotherapeutics, Inc. (Nasdaq: GTCB)
Phone: 508-370-5374
Fax: 508-370-3797
Been there know that. Can't
"What a miserable company this great technology has!"
Stick around that is what is said, in not so many words.
I for one don't have as much problem with management although
if I lose my money I will have to change my mind as this has
to be blamed on someone and I won't allow it to be me.
~:-O)
n4807g - I feel your pain LOL. It’s my pain. I guess what we
project is a function of who we are.
No one (I think) on this board knows, or at least no one
is owning up to knowing (jail time).
So we are stuck with our hopes and fears. I am 5 times
more fearful now than I was Jan 2007, 2006, 2005.
But there is nothing we can do now but wait, I'm trying to
remain positive (as hard as its becoming) because waiting
with fear is 5 times longer then waiting with "some" hope.
Its funny how the EGO believes that the more resistance it
can put up, the more it can effect the outcome LOL.
See you on the other side.
N4807g Don't you just get the feeling that either they can't
get a partner that won't rape them or this is more than a simple partnership.
Being an optimist 62.712% of the time I can't help feel that
when the NEWS comes out it will be special and good. However
I also believe in Miracles, sooo.
jessellivermore
TWIT: SLANG for insignificant , foolish, and or annoying
Ignorant: is the condition of being uninformed or uneducated, lacking knowledge or information.
One is personal the other not.
Just an observation and my way to kill time. I have no
dog in this race. Well this is not a race but whatever.
What we want are results RS or not!
A minister dies and is waiting in line at the Pearly Gates. Ahead of him is a guy who's dressed in sunglasses, a loud shirt, leather jacket, and jeans.
Saint Peter addresses this guy, "Who are you, so that I may know whether or not to admit you to the Kingdom of Heaven?"
The guy replies, "I'm Joe Cohen, stockbroker, of Noo Yawk City."
Saint Peter consults his list. He smiles and says to the stockbroker, "Take this silken robe and golden staff and enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
The stockbroker goes into Heaven with his robe and staff, and it's the minister's turn. He stands erect and booms out, "I am Joseph Snow, pastor of Saint Mary's for the last forty-three years."
Saint Peter consults his list. He says to the minister, "Take this cotton robe and wooden staff and enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
"Just a minute," says the minister. "That man was a stockbroker-- he gets a silken robe and golden staff but I, a minister, only get a cotton robe and wooden staff? How can this be?"
"Up here, we work by results," says Saint Peter. "While you preached, people slept; his clients, they prayed."
floblu14 well there's no goats like those old goats Id say.
Yes we will be the happiest dudes in the home, the problem
being of course, we wont know why!
Maybe like Forrest Gump, we will be rich but think we
did it buying produce.
Trying not to log on as often as I was, its to
depressing LOL. How long can I hold my breath!
But I still dream
Like GTC they are fighting.
A rumor on the YAHOO board is that Pharming
will buy GTC. If this has been discussed at length here
I apologize but I've been trying not to be so addicted
to the boards.
In your opinion, is this good or bad for GTC in general
and for stock holders in particular?
At least goats and rabbits get along.
Thank you
Mr. GYM I have no idea if there is a buyout Monday, either this or Monday July 7th, but I'll get into the spirit of
things.
Lets say.... Why $1.09 why not $4.00. A company is sold for
its value and sometimes thats more than its physical
assets. There are other assets, like patterns and such.
OK $4.00 to much I'm dreaming, but at least I'm dreaming in
the right direction.
Its the value to the buyer and the know worth of the company
as the seller sees it, they have to alien. No alignment,
no sale. OK there is compromise and if the company being
bought feels like its failing, say because the cash drain is
outpacing the income, or the ability to raise money, then
the selling company moves further and faster.
My only point is, we have no idea how much this company is
valued on potential. OK $2.50 LOL
In the spirit of conversation.
OKY
HERE HERE
Don’t mean to blow smoke up your skirt but if it weren’t
for your Dew Diligence I'd have run a long time ago.
LOL maybe I should have. No I'm not saying they won’t make
it or that they will. I certainly am not saying you are
responsible, I’m making my own decision.
Its just that I only understand 10% of what’s in print
and I need this information to make my decision. I could
never have done it myself cause at .60c it does give one
pause.
So good investment or bad, you have been exceptional, tireless,
relentless.
Thanks
Ok Dew, I guess this has been asked 100 times but for some reason I’ve missed it.
How is the price for ATryn set? I mean if it cost $3000 to get “X” grams from blood,
Why are they charging $30 instead of $300?
I know my figures may be wrong but I’m hoping the idea is clear.
Pseudoscience is defined as a body of knowledge, methodology,
belief, or practice that is claimed to be scientific or made
to appear scientific, but does not adhere to the scientific
method,[2][3][4] lacks supporting evidence or plausibility,
[5] or otherwise lacks scientific status.[6] The term comes
from the Greek root pseudo- (false or pretending)
and "science" (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge"). An
early recorded use was in 1843 by French physiologist
François Magendie,[1] who is considered a pioneer in
experimental physiology.
As it is taught in certain introductory science classes,
pseudoscience is any subject that appears superficially to be
scientific or whose proponents state is scientific but
nevertheless contravenes the testability requirement, or
substantially deviates from other fundamental aspects of the
scientific method.[7] Professor Paul DeHart Hurd[8] argued
that a large part of gaining scientific literacy is "being
able to distinguish science from pseudo-science such as
astrology, quackery, the occult, and superstition".[9]
Certain introductory survey classes in science take careful
pains to delineate the objections scientists and skeptics
have to practices that make direct claims contradicted by the
scientific discipline in question.[10]
This s a proven science, its passed muster in Europe and
proving itself in the US.
You can get more support if you said its against God and
nature. Perhaps if you said GTC is fighting against time
and does not appear to be funded to the levels it needs to be.
The time to call this a pseudoscience has passed. A science
of the devil, now there you go.
"...it is my understanding this study is a dosing range study, and is not set up for efficacy results."
I would like to know what you mean. Before you study the
useful does range you need to establish efficacy. You can
do them both at the same time.
GTC with partner Leo are looking forward to being proven effective in DIC sepsis cases. This would be a life saving 1-2 billion dollar drug, well in some people’s estimation.
GTC also has a deal with Merrimack who is in trials
with a malaria drug. In that case Merrimack would create
the drug and pay royalties to GTC for the process.
If it works out, I don't know what thats worth.
http://www.gtc-bio.com/pressreleases/pr050504.html
In any case, we are looking two years down the pike. No
quick buck here as ATryn, even with off-label use, can't
bring GTC to profitability without additional approvals.
Never deny your feelings.
As far as this being a BAD stock, well if you’re a quick
turn around guy, its a very BAD stock. Long term it can
be a very good stock or anything from fair to disaster.
GTC may be a very good buy out candidate,
that could be a screwing to us long term guys.
Not that we wouldn’t make some money if your cost bassis is say below $2.00, but…
If the buy out companies bottom line needs help
GTC might just boast it up to even. That would suck big time.
If the buy out company is a $100/Shr stock GTC might just bring
it way up to $175. That’s a 75% growth while
if it where a stand alone company the growth could
be 400 - 1500 times.
Please I'm just creating scenarios to express possibilities. There are many many other scenarios. The math might not hold
but the idea is there.
So this can suck or this can be a great way to become rich!
Yeah but we got some hard nuts here. I mean the average IQ has to be 140.
Some people are looking for substance not beauty.
http://orig.jacksonsun.com/misstn2006/videos/witlerswimprelim1win.html
Im just a pretty face
floblu- If this is true then I believe my family alzheimer's may have started.
LOL - no kidding, I've been doing strange things. I can't remember posting this before but I'm in no position to deny it.
I guess its best if I don't post. Take care!
I hope you understand that on a slow day such as this I'm
just enjoying the ride. I like to argue to pass the
time, its better than picking my nose.
"They needed to have solid plans"
Yes, many people talk about
plans, yes plans in the plural. However few (just to cover
my ass, it may be none), have come up with much.
1. Borrow at 10% if you can get it, and then pay the exorbitant
interest increasing cash burn over a long period of time.
That being the death knell of many a company.
2. Sell the company, which few here want.
3. Partner.
So we may be talking one PLANS.
"we were led to believe"
Led –directed, piloted, guided to, and conducted. Many times the supposition being nefarious, as being led astray, with intent to defraud.
Instead of, they thought, or hoped and we believed and
hoped.
“With all due respect, this is not a constructive mindset.”
Once again, we want Cox to speak positively about GTC. We want sales people. Cox is not a band leader however there may be a feeling that following positive speculation is keeping a positive mind. If they posted nothing what would you say? And yet its nothing they know for sure.
“Therefore, the "unknowns" that led to this dilution could not have been positive ones either;”
No, but they where unknowns, unless you feel they where not, then you have something.
“management failed at some point”
They may have failed to understand another’s fraud, or greediness. They may have failed to understand lies or deception. I’ll give you that much.
WE Know Nothing, but nothing.
flo well thank you much, i should know he is my favorite,
well something.
LOL I just was staring at 1-2 Billion for DIC
I had heard it before but it just hit me.
Well
What does John Luke say, "Make it so"
Am I late to this party:
Discussions with potential partners for the commercialization and further development of ATryn® in the US have continued through the end of 2007. GTC is planning to conclude an agreement during the first quarter of 2008.
ATryn® is partnered with LEO Pharma A/S in Europe, Canada, and the Middle East. LEO launched the product in the United Kingdom in the fourth quarter of 2007 and has also obtained pricing approval in Ireland and Greece. LEO is continuing to expand the commercial launch into additional European countries as pricing is established. LEO is also conducting a phase II dose ranging study in treating disseminated intravascular coagulation, or DIC, associated with severe sepsis. GTC retains rights to this indication in the US and the rest of the world. The US market opportunity for the DIC indication is estimated to be $2 - 3 billion.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080107/20080107005704.html?.v=1
jessellivermore
I appreciate your support. I see you have similar ideas. Yes
we don't know a thing. WE pretend we are in the boardroom.
It’s comical really. Someone will make a supposition, which
is really a projection of there own personality, then
they say it out loud where they need to defend it.
In defending it they make it the truth. If someone disagrees,
it becomes a personal attack and all kinds of suppositions
come in to defend what never could be defended.
After a while, if a person sticks with their story or ideas
long enough, it becomes Gospel helping to forms their
persona.
Gees, just think, we all do that. Holy cow what is real
and what isn't? We have no clue do we.
First people complain if Cox doesn't stay positive and
sell the company. Then when he tries (talking about the
partnership) he's the goat if it falls through.
Who knows what the partner was asking for? It may be Cox's
great strength and stockholders great fortune that the
deal was not consummated as yet. We don't know. Well I don't know.
This company is a long term play, or a trading stock.
It can work either way. Go for it!
PS: Is it Cox or is it us, expecting what wasn't there and
when it never showed up blaming THEM, instead of admitting
perhaps we don't have a clue.
Your right, I don't have a clue, only I now know it!
I've posted you on the yahoo board. If you object please
let me know.
In fact I've posted others there, if anyone objects please let me know!
"Are you satisfied with this Management given their performance over the last 2-3 years?"
I have yet to hear from anyone, that is anyone, what they
would have done differently than management. I mean anything
that makes sense.
I am not unhappy with management!
I'm unhappy with me for being here cause I was wrong. GTC
is no longer the company I plucked my money down on. That
is because of circumstances, not management.
I view in awe all those looking to put the blame outside
themselves. No, it's not my mistake for not anticipating
all that could, and did go wrong, its management.
Maybe if we fire them we can feel good about ourselves
again.
I will stay with GTC and perhaps watch it crawl back over
$1.00 within 6 months.
Is it managements fault that I fell in love with GTC?
I don't think anyone really cares as most of us are as sick of
GTC as I am.
I'm ready to pull out but I can't help tell myself this
is the point that separates the men from the boys.
Of course this may be the point I could have saved 1/2
of my original investment.
GTC has options, I don't know why some say the new partner
won't come on board until use for DIC is approved.
All the partner needs to worry about is will they make
money on the distribution of ATryn and perhaps they
have other use for the goats. No comment there FloBlu
There are reasons why GTC may fail, management may have
to sell off the company. However I really can't see why the company wouldn’t sell. They now have a proven, and accepted technology that will save millions dare I say Billions in time. So I can dream of getting my money back
that is $1.55 and perhaps a thank you for bleeding, $2.00.
No I say stay in, cause with any luck, in a few years this will be worth $4.00.
I would appreciate critic, just be kind!
Once last week, no response
Someone should try again, Im to sick right now.
508-370-5374
Good news but no acceptance yet, and no additional
revenue till MAYBE one year from now.
If this goes up "much" now it would be a knee jerk reaction.
This is great news but not a real market mover yet, IMHO.
I was excited until I re-read the news article. Its
still a waiting game. Well I'm still excited, things
are falling into place.
Before we think this will triple soon remember this.
"The last section to be filed is expected to be the full clinical study results around mid-year,"
"with the BLA submission, and on that basis anticipates approval of the BLA approximately 6 months after submission of the last section"
"“We look forward to moving into the regulatory review process with the FDA on the basis of having met the primary endpoint for ATryn®’s"
We still have some time to go, of course this is great
news and we are a lot closer but we should keep our hats on.
Got real excited though.
I can butt in why not. The way I see this is you have
asked a question that can't be answered by any serious person.
ZGEN or GTCB hum well good question, and anyone with a
crystal might answer. The chances are good one
of these investments will be better than the other for sure.
However:
One may outpace the other and then fall behind, or die on the
vein. They may play tag or one may be way ahead by next
week and way behind next year.
So how can this be a serious question? You may be serious
I'm not saying your not, but there can be no good advise.
I think you need to know a lot more before your guess
can be serious. Where are each company in there development
and delivery? What is the sales potential and what are
the expenses? What is the PR and what other products are
in the pipe line, how far away are they? I just scratched
the surface. What is your investment time line? Are you willing to trade as time goes on or are you a buy and hold kind of guy? ~ And with all of this answered it turns
into an educated guess.
Good luck, take care.
Different techniques used with AT have significantly better results.
Did I get it? After this, I’m staying away from Bio stocks
my brain is to thin. ~:-O)