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Darn. Not worth the effort.
"Again, a strange definition, but whatever"
Strange to you maybe. But not to people who work in the software industry.
f you call our tech defective in the same way that Windows operating systems are, I can live with that "defect". LOL.
I interpret your LOL to mean that you you hold the belief that if Windows has had security vulnerabilities and MediaMax has had security vulnerabilites then MediaMax must be in the same league as Windows? Hmmmm. Very perceptive. I must have missed that take on things. Look out Bill, we are right behind you.
"All software is defective Neil."
Tell that to Screamineagle, not me.
But don't be so absolute. Some programs have no known defects. Some have defects that are viewed as mild (no big issue) to moderately severe (needs fixing asap). Some defects are so serious that they need recalls. MediaMax fitted into the moderately severe category. It wasn't recalled, but users were encourage to install a fix asap, in case someone tried to exploit the vulberability.
no, Sony-BMG stopped using us temporarily because of the First-4 tech and the resulting lawsuits which we unfortunately got grouped into. Did you forget that NONE of our CD's got recalled?
A "security vulnerability" does not qualify as "defective software" unless by that definition you would also consider "Windows" defective.
Where did you come up with that definition?
Windows has hundreds of defects. If you believe the only criteria for calling software defective is that it must be recalled then you don't know much about software.
Try this. Software is defective if it needs a fix to make it work properly. Properly includes both doing what it was designed to do and doing it in a way that protects the integrity of the users system. MediaMax was defective. Sony-BMG stopped using us after the defects in MediaMax were discovered, not after the defects in F4I were discovered. Go back and check the elation here when the F4I problems were discovered.
By close to the company I mean someone who is day in day out actively participating on message boards concerning the company. In other words, someone who should be intimately familiar with all public information concerning the company.
There is a huge difference between a "security vulnerability" which is a common occurance in software, ie. microsoft, and an infected computer.
Did you make a mistake when you said you know very well that the software was not defective
A security vulnerability means the software was defective. That is why SunnComm had to come up with a fix. That is why Sony-BMG stopped using us.
Our tech's problem was in the setup for the EULA
What about installing the software even if the EULA was rejected?
Screamingeagle
kenny, you know very well that the software was not defective, nor was anyone's computer infected. Our tech's problem was in the setup for the EULA, which, IMHO, was set that way at BMG's direction
I cannot comprehend how someone so close to the company could make a statement so absolutely inaccurate as yours.
Why do you think this statement is on the SonyBMG website?
If you have played a CD on your computer that contains either XCP or MediaMax 5.0 content protection software, you should update or uninstall the software to reduce your risk of security vulnerabilities.
Try reading this...
SunnComm MediaMax Security Vulnerability FAQ
http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/Sony-BMG/mediamaxfaq.php
The PR is on Marketwire
The short table is weird.
Every month the Short Volume is just the Total Volume multiplied by 7.7%. I can't see how they can be claiming to have some in depth data on short volume when they just use a % of the Total Volume each month.
It is not just "about" 7.7% each month, but exactly 7.7%.
The 30.7M shares shorted are over the past 14 months. Just because that amount have been shorted on aggregate, it doesn't mean there are 30.7M shares shorted at the moment. What about all those that covered during that period?
Anyway it is good to see that management are concentrating on the things that really matter.
One could only make a guess on what type of CEO Clement would be up to now. After this PR, I know exactly what type he is.
Actually Holding I'm not so sure. Virtual Music Stores is a UK company and Ross was in charge of the US, where they had an office in New York. Since InMod Solutions doesn't appear to have any presence outside the US, it would be odd to write "Ross was the first employee of the company in North America". I think that statement, including the 9 employees and trial locations is about VMS. That is the business VMS is in, instore music delivery.
http://www.virtualmusicstores.co.uk/
You could be right. It is badly written and should be in a separate paragraph for the line on VMS
Sunny, found it, but that is not In Mod. That is his previous company VMS
"In mod has 9 employees working at Best Buy"
Sunny, where did you get that from?
Obviously the author didn't do thorough research.
The Department of Homeland Security's Border and Transportation Security Directorate warning followed the discovery last year that Sony BMG employed two different types of digital rights management (DRM) on music CDS sold in the US and both installed rootkit software on PCs that made them vulnerable.
Although MediaMax opened the PC to a security exposure, it did not install a rootkit.
I'm talking about a track record in running a company. Somebody that we know has taken an upstart and made it into a success story or turned a loss maker into a profit maker in a few years. Having fancy titles in large companies is not quite the same thing and is no indication of his ability to make a company work when he is numero uno.
Kenco. I think your explanation is far more plausible than the others. If he really had confidence in the stock, he would put some serious money in. $2,400 is just window dressing. It allows them to say management are buying the stock, without really putting anything on the line.
As for Kevin's track record. I have researched it too and there is little to go on other than he has held a position with BMG.
On the other hand, the only visible sign of his decision making since joining MediaMax Technology is that he has decided to retain Mario. That says enough for me. He is no different to previous management.
I didn't know Samantha Riggs had left!
It looks like she has found a new career on stage. Hope it all goes well for her. Interesting, though OT and very long (6 page) article.
Bollywood Dreams
What's a white girl like Samantha Riggs doing in a sari?
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issues/2006-02-09/news/feature.html
I don't know if it is legal but.....
If there is a risk that SunnComm might not be successful in its restraining order against BTEK, shouldn't SunnComm transfer all its assets to MediaMax. Then assuming the merger proceeds on a 1 to 1 basis, SunnComm shareholders receive a share in MediaMax, which now has the assets, for each SunnComm share. SunnComm and MediaMax shareholders are protected, BTEK loses out.
Kenco. I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. Mario's explanation is complete nonsense.
Also, doesn't the judgement specify that they are "one time" payments, not monthly? That's how I read it:
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/civil/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CV2002-011816
Moreover, I am completely disheartened that Mario appears still to be company IR consultant. Is signifies to me that it is business as usual under Clement and to expect no change in the way the company is run.
t d j
They claim to have done just that. Its just a matter of whether the "trusted third-party security firms" are acceptable to the EFF or whoever decides who is acceptable.
Like all of Macrovision's family of CD solutions, TotalPlay CD provides a stable computing experience, and does not install spyware of any type. In fact, TotalPlay CD has been certified as spyware-safe by a leading member of the Anti-Spyware Coalition, and has been reviewed by trusted third-party security firms to minimize any consumer security vulnerabilities. Macrovision is a Gold-Certified Microsoft partner, and TotalPlay CD is Designed for Windows XP. We believe that TotalPlay CD provides a secure environment for both consumers and content owners, enabling the digital music marketplace. The end user license agreements (EULAs) transparently reveal the full functionality of the product, and a clearly marked uninstaller is readily available should consumers change their mind once the product is installed.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060126/20060126005244.html?.v=1
If they are getting 3 to 4 cents per CD, JP Morgan are estimating them protecting between 325M and 430M CDs in 2006. They are touting 450M protected to date.
This doesn't seem a strong endorsement of continuing with copy protection - CDs or devices. In fact it looks like acknowledging they took the wrong direction. I know it's Stringer from Sony talking, not Sony-BMG, but Sony wields a big stick in the music partnership.
Stringer admits that looking at one of Apple's iPods hurts, a major symbol of where Sony went off the tracks.
"There’s no question that the iPod was a wakeup call for Sony. And the answer is that Steve Jobs was smarter at software than we are," he says.
Stringer says Steve Jobs came up with the iPod and iTunes, a simple system for people to download music — while Sony, worried about its record company — wasted precious time trying to figure out how to keep people from stealing songs.
"We tried to have a secure device. And that was a myth," says Stringer. "And a mistake. Sad for the music company, mind you."
Interesting - let's see if Macrovision creates security vulnerablities too. I bet they will be off the market soon too.
http://www.privacydigest.com/topic/cryptography/2006/01/04.html#a4681
See my reply to STEH.
Steh.
Do you honestly believe that the security exposure in our product was at the bidding of the labels. They actually asked us to write our software so that it would make every PC it was installed upon vulnerable to being hacked? It was that issue that threw the limelight on us. When they were informed of the problem and asked us to fix it, do you think they also asked to make the fix also cause a security exposure?
We also had a problem with our uninstaller that made PCs that used it also subject to problems as did the initial fix for the uninstaller.
These were the issues that brought the limelight on us.
We also had the problem that our s/w installed even if the user rejected the eula. This was acknowledged as an error from what I remember. Did BMG ask us to do that too?
About the only product related issue that has been highlighted recently that may have been at the request of the label is the spyware issue. That may have been at their bidding, but the other issues certainly weren't.
Flydoc - Happy New Year to you too and everyone else on this board.
Do you think there is an internet link to everything?
I have stated what I have heard through my sources. There are several articles published in the last few days saying much the same. Here is one example:
The label had said it wouldn't recall SunnComm's MediaMax CDs, but now says it will stop making them.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-12-29-sony-settlement_x.htm
This is not a condition of the settlement but a statement made by Sony-BMG. I think I have read 3 or 4 other articles that also say that Sony-BMG have said the same thing.
If you don't want to believe it don't. If you want to call me a basher for stating what I know or find out, go ahead. If you can point to anything I have said that is wrong, I will be happy to acknowledge my mistake.
But one thing for sure, I am not going to be here claiming the fiasco that we have brought upon ourselves over the last month is something good for the company and somehow makes us better. I have said it before. It is a disaster and the SP shows it and I have serious doubts we will survive unless something unexpected happens and very soon
If we have anything to offer in DVDs, we should dust it off quickly. I think a different product name to MediaMax is also required for it.
CGI,
I spoke to BMG yesterday.....no plans to use any copy protection right now
That's what I've heard too through our industry contact. They are not waiting for another version of MediaMax or XCP to come out. They have decided to abandon copy protection of CDs indefinitely. This was decided independently of the settlement.
It may be just my opinion, but with the following provision in the proposed agreement, do you think Sony-BMG will run with us while there is litigation out there that could result in more onerous provisions than those in this proposal?
Finally, the settlement operates as a floor, not a ceiling, on benefits available to Settlement Class Members. Accordingly, if SONY BMG enters into other agreements with state and/or federal government authorities that provide additional benefits to certain consumers, SONY BMG will offer those same benefits to all Settlement Class Members. All of these measures are of particular value to Settlement Class Members. In light of the above considerations, the proposed settlement as a whole falls within the range of possible final approval. The Court should therefore grant preliminary approval of the settlement and direct that notice of it be given to the Settlement Class.
CGI, it is more than that. Look at some of these conditions that must be undertaken before new copy protection s/w must be released.
In addition, before manufacturing and issuing any CDs with content protection software at any time until 2008, SONY BMG will: (1) ensure that the content protection software that is
contained on any such CDs will not be installed on a user’s computer, unless and until the user affirmatively accepts the EULA; (2) ensure that an uninstaller for the content protection software is made readily available to consumers; (3) ensure that the functionality of any updates and/or
material changes in the functionality of the copy protection software that is used on any such CDs is adequately disclosed; (4) ensure that the EULA associated with the content protection software used on any such CDs accurately describes the nature and function of the software in
plain English; (5) obtain comments about the EULA associated with the content protection software contained on any such CDs from an independent third-party designated jointly by the
parties; (6) obtain an opinion from at least one qualified, independent third-party that the content protection software used on any such CDs is effective and would not create any known securities vulnerabilities; (7) ensure that SONY BMG will only be able to collect limited information from the CD user necessary to provide enhanced functionality to any such CDs, namely album title, artist, the computer user’s IP address, and certain non-personally identifiable information, without the user’s express consent ; (8) include on the jewel case a written disclosure in plain English that the CD contains content protection software and a brief description of the software;
and (9) fix security vulnerabilities discovered in the content protection software contained on any such CDs through software updates verified as secure by a computer security expert. (¶¶ IV.B.
3(a)-(h).)
You are not going to get any cerification like that in (6) above easily. It will require extensive testing and could take months (and before anyone jumps on me regarding that opinion, remember that we were claiming just a few weeks ago how rock solid our technology was and were laughing at XCP).
It could be 6 months before we change our software to comply with the conditions and obtain certification of the type required. Assuming that Sony-BMG will even be interested in running with us, CAN WE SURVIVE 6 MONTHS WITHOUT REVENUE?
I'm sorry, I've obviously got this all wrong. This is great news for SunnComm and MediaMax Technology Corporation.
3. The Settlement Falls Within The Range Of Possible Approval
As explained above, the proposed Settlement was reached only after protracted arm’slength negotiations between the parties and Plaintiffs’ Co-Lead Counsel’s thorough consideration of the advantages and disadvantages of continued litigation.
Plaintiffs’ Co-Lead Counsel believe this settlement achieves all of the objectives of the litigation, namely removing harmful XCP software from the market, stopping the continued release of MediaMax CDs, compensating people who unknowingly installed the software on their computers, fixing security vulnerabilities in XCP, MediaMax and SONY BMG’s future copy protection software, and ensuring that SONY BMG will provide complete and accurate disclosures in its EULAs for future content protection software. Plaintiffs’ Co-Lead Counsel, law firms with a great deal of experience in the prosecution and resolution of class actions and complex consumer litigation, have carefully evaluated the merits of this case and the proposed settlement. Even if the matter
were to proceed to trial, Plaintiffs’ Co-Lead Counsel acknowledge, based on past, real-world experience, that the apparent strength of a plaintiff’s case is no guarantee against a defense verdict. Furthermore, even if a judgment were obtained against Defendants at trial, the relief
might be no greater, and indeed might be less, than that provided by the proposed Settlement.
Under the Settlement, SONY BMG will be enjoined from using XCP and MediaMax software on audio CDs they manufacture. SONY BMG will implement several changes to its policies and procedures concerning content protection software and the EULAs associated with that software. These changes will ensure that the content protection software will not be installed without the user’s express consent, will be removable from the user’s computer, and will not render the user’s computers vulnerable to known security risks. In addition, the EULA’s will be written in plain English and will accurately describe the nature and function of the
content protection software.
The XCP Exchange Program is designed to ensure that the XCP CDs are removed from the market as soon as possible and to provide consumers with replacement CDs as well as downloadable music files. The MediaMax compensation will also provide benefits to consumers who unknowingly installed such software on their computers and exposed their systems to
security vulnerabilities. In addition, Defendants will continue to make available software utilities that will update and remove the XCP and MediaMax software from a user’s computer.
Defendants have committed that the do not and will not collect, aggregate or retain certain personal information on the computer users who listen to SONY BMG CDs without the
express consent of those users. Under the settlement, Defendants will be required to engage an independent expert to verify their practices with respect to collection of personal information.
Defendants have agreed to waive certain of their rights under the XCP and MediaMax EULAs. These waivers will allow consumers to remove the XCP and/or MediaMax software
from their computers, listen to the audio files across all file formats and in all portable music players, and choose not to download future updates of the XCP or MediaMax software. Once these provisions are waived, consumers will not have to be in possession of the SONY BMG CD to hold a license for the audio files, will not be precluded from copying music files and other digital content on the CDs, will be allowed to resell the CDs, and will not lose their licenses for the software if they file for bankruptcy protection or are declared insolvent. Also, Defendants
waive their rights to be indemnified by users of the XCP or MediaMax software for harm arising from their use of the software.
Finally, the settlement operates as a floor, not a ceiling, on benefits available to Settlement Class Members. Accordingly, if SONY BMG enters into other agreements with state and/or federal government authorities that provide additional benefits to certain consumers, SONY BMG will offer those same benefits to all Settlement Class Members. All of these measures are of particular value to Settlement Class Members. In light of the above considerations, the proposed settlement as a whole falls within the range of possible final approval. The Court should therefore grant preliminary approval of the settlement and direct that notice of it be given to the Settlement Class.
This is the first of numerous lawsuits that appears to be close to settlement. Some may take years to finalize. Sony-BMG are not going to risk running with Mediamax until all have been settled and all potential issues put to rest.
Yeah, I can see all the music stores rushing out to be sued.
Dream on
7. Injunctive Relief Required By The Settlement Will Effectuate Changes In Defendants’ Use Of Content Protection Software
SONY BMG has agreed to implement the following changes in operating practices and procedures with respect to XCP, MediaMax, and any and all future content protection software technologies that SONY BMG may use on CDs that it manufactures or issues, from the present to 2008. (¶¶ II.D., IV.B.) These changes will be enforceable either through an agreement with state and/or federal government authorities or by an injunction from this Court. (¶¶ IV.A., B.)
SONY BMG will not manufacture or distribute XCP CDs. (¶ IV.B.1.) SONY BMG also will not manufacture MediaMax 3.0 CDs or MediaMax 5.0 CDs. (¶ IV.B.2.)
In addition, before manufacturing and issuing any CDs with content protection software at any time until 2008, SONY BMG will: (1) ensure that the content protection software that is contained on any such CDs will not be installed on a user’s computer, unless and until the user affirmatively accepts the EULA; (2) ensure that an uninstaller for the content protection software is made readily available to consumers; (3) ensure that the functionality of any updates and/or material changes in the functionality of the copy protection software that is used on any such CDs is adequately disclosed; (4) ensure that the EULA associated with the content protection software used on any such CDs accurately describes the nature and function of the software in plain English; (5) obtain comments about the EULA associated with the content protection software contained on any such CDs from an independent third-party designated jointly by the
parties; (6) obtain an opinion from at least one qualified, independent third-party that the content protection software used on any such CDs is effective and would not create any known securities vulnerabilities; (7) ensure that SONY BMG will only be able to collect limited information from the CD user necessary to provide enhanced functionality to any such CDs, namely album title, artist, the computer user’s IP address, and certain non-personally identifiable information, without the user’s express consent ; (8) include on the jewel case a written disclosure in plain English that the CD contains content protection software and a brief description of the software; and (9) fix security vulnerabilities discovered in the content protection software contained on any such CDs through software updates verified as secure by a computer security expert. (¶¶ IV.B.3(a)-(h).)
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ihs/alex/sonysettleme23423423434nt.pdf
This is a disaster.......
B. The Settlement Consideration
As consideration for the settlement, Defendants have agreed to provide a broad package of benefits to Settlement Class Members. The settlement benefits include:
• Compensation for buyers of XCP CDs and MediaMax CDs;
• Software utilities to update and uninstall XCP and MediaMax software from consumers’
computers;
• An agreement by SONY BMG to immediately recall of XCP CDs, and not manufacture MediaMax CDs for a period of at least two years;
• A series of injunctive measures governing any SONY BMG CDs manufactured with
content protection software over the next two years;
• Defendants’ agreement not to collect personal information on Settlement Class Members
through XCP, MediaMax and future content protection software, without their express
and affirmative consent;
• Defendants’ agreement to waive certain rights currently contained in the EULAs for XCP
and MediaMax CDs and software; and
• A “most favored nations” provision that would enhance the benefits available to all
Settlement Class Members if Defendants provide additional benefits to a subset of
Settlement Class Members through an agreement with any government authority.
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ihs/alex/sonysettleme23423423434nt.pdf
Howdy,
I assume this is your comment, not what you are responding to. I can't tell, as the response is to a deleted comment.
The FACT is the FACTS (intentionally provided by malicious individuals) of the articles are WRONG as you have pointed out. And it DOES change in regards to what was "inflicted" on a CD. ONLY XCP INFLICTED a problem via the CD, and deemed by IMPARTIAL 3rd party experts and security firms a critical or high risk.
The MediaMax situation was OFF the CD, was halted and is fixed and My Morning Jacket was INTENTIONALLY mislead. Besides, 3rd party experts and security firms deemed the MediaMax situation low-risk.
Whoever is claiming that the MediaMax problem is off the CD has got their facts totally wrong.
There were two well publicised problems with MediaMax. One was with the uninstaller and that was off the CD. The other was the security exposure that was introduced via the CD.
ONLY XCP INFLICTED a problem via the CD
This is untrue. MediaMax introduced a problem via the CD.
If you want to read about it, here it is in detail...
SunnComm Media Max version 5.0.21.0 (hereafter called Media Max), partially installs itself automatically the first time an affected CD is inserted into a Windows machine1. The automated installation includes the creation of a “SunnComm Shared” directory. Media Max creates this directory with a custom access control list2 (ACL) that contains an access control entry (ACE) granting the Windows principal Everyone “Full Control” rights to the directory. This allows any process, user, or network client the ability to read, modify, and delete the contents of this directory, including low rights accounts which are not even members of the “Users” group. Granting untrusted users “Full Control” rights to executables that will be automatically run by high rights users creates a simple but serious security vulnerability
http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/Sony-BMG/MediaMaxVulnerabilityReport.pdf
"Certain cryptic references to newly found
spyware info on some tech blogs may now be
clear, and Monday could be... interesting."
Can you elaborate?
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