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The real point is, and that is how all this mess started, is that the 10 commandments were given by God and there is no where in the Bible telling us that they are no longer valid or applicable.
Ooops, posts keep vanishing like vapor, LOL.
May I ask you something:
"Did you ever stop and consider that the Holy Spirit uses other believers to instruct you or do you believe that the moment you become a Christian you know everything?"
I guess then that you agree with those who have taken the 10 Commandments out of our schools and public places. After all, they were not given to us, Gentiles. Only to Moses and his people.
LOL, but it's OK for another person to call me a coward. That is not rude, right?
You have taken Colossians 3:11 out of it's context, and blame me for not agreeing with you? LOL.
1OFHISm, whatever you say. This is not a free board anymore.
Post deleted from a Christian board by a Christian:
Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: 1OFHIS who wrote msg# 6321
Date:5/30/2006 1:08:41 AM
Post #of 6323
No, M'am, Mrs. holy spirit, you speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Anyone else who does not agree with Your holiness, is wrong, ignorant, uneducated and probably have an agenda.
I see censorship is taking roots on this board too, LOL.
1OFHIS, how convenient of you to ignore the whole context of Colossians 3, where most of the 10 commandments are mentioned in one way or another.
Posted by: 1OFHIS
In reply to: lmorovan who wrote msg# 6284
Date:5/29/2006 10:56:15 PM
Post #of 6316
lmorovan,
What makes you believe that the 10 commandments were given to the Gentiles? Can you provide Scripture to support your views?
Do you believe that Christian Jews are required to follow the laws given to them by God? If you do, you should read the New Testament, especially Colossians and Galatians.
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I guess some people must have a version of the Bible that contains no reference to the 10 Commandments, LOL. Oh, well, there are so many versions out there.
Anyone else here believe that the 10 Commandments were given only to the Jews?
I have proven biblically that circumcision is required for the Jewish people as long as they are Jewish people, and is not required for the Gentiles. There is not one scripture in both the Old and New Testaments, which says Jews are not be be circumcised anymore, or that Gentiles are to be circumcised.
"My covenant in your flesh" (for Abraham and his descendants after him for the generations to come) "is to be an everlasting covenant."
"Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
Is marriage mandatory? If so, then Jesus, Paul and so many others have violated a commandment. If not, those who marry violate no law, and those who don't marry violate no law.
Is male circumcision mandatory? For the Jews is, for the Gentiles it is not.
Were the 10 Commandments give to the Jews only? If so, the Jews must not violate any of them, while the Gentiles have "open season" to disobey them. What a concept, LOL.
A "cool" god some people serve.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Thou shalt not kill.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Thou shalt not steal.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Applies to both Jews and Gentiles
1OFHIS, I made it clear, VERY CLEAR, that the 10 Commandments were give to both the Jews and the Gentiles. Again, I broke my promise not to engage with you, precisely because of your habit to twist my words, claim that I have spoken what I did not or change topics when you have no argument to support what you claim.
I will, again, try my best to stay away from you.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
If the God of the Jews is our God, then the 10 commandments were given to all, Jews and Gentiles. The Law that was given specifically to the Israelites pertain to the Israelites.
Again, there is a difference between the 10 Commandments and the Law given to the Jews.
Should Christians be circumcised? Of course they should. If they feel like, of their parents think they should. It is medically proven as a healthy practice. But it is not mandatory.
There is a difference between the Law that was given to the Jews, and the 10 Commandments which were given to both Jews and Gentiles. The Jews, even as of today, are to follow the Laws created for and given to them by God. Not so the Gentiles.
I am talking about the 10 commandments, not the Law.
God wrote the 10 Commandments, not me. And He thought 10 were enough. I wasn't even there to suggest more than 10 or to take some of them out, LOL.
The last time I checked, circumcision has nothing to do with the 10 Commandments.
Did God really mean what He said when He wrote the 10 Commandments or was He just playing a game of Tic Tac Toe with Moses?
Judgment and justification are two separate things. Christ Himself told us many parables about who will and who will not see the Kingdom of God.
BTW. Christ Himself wrote the Commandments.
God has spoken on Mount Sinai. He set the rules. And those rules are as valid today as they were the day His finger wrote them on the stone tablets.
We are saved through our faith in Jesus Christ, but we are judged according to the Law. The Bible tells us that there will be no condemnation to those who believe in Jesus Christ, but never teaches that there will be no judgment, to the contrary.
excel, God has given us the standards He will Judge us by. And I believe we are to use the same standards.
scarednomore,
The one thing that REALLY confused me is who was not booted. The one person who was the most vocal, was farrrrrrrrrrrrrr more active than those who were booted. I wish someone could explain to my why all the others were booted and Imo was not for expressing his opinions?
Did it ever occur to you that the "establishment" needed a scape goat, someone who will gather all the attention of potentially pro active shareholders that may eventually be able to become a threat to the "status quo"? Someone who would be used as a distraction to divert the attention from the management and its incompetence? Someone with a real name, a real address and a real phone number? Someone who could attract the anger, frustration and rage of shareholders and divert it from the real culprits? Someone who has been pro active with actual real letter to some authorities, the content of which have never been rebutted? A dangerous person who had to be discredited at all cost? Someone who has a web presence where the truth about the company is told, and needed to be kept under constant attack? Someone who had and still has a genuine interest for the ex Loch shareholders, who continuously encourage union to fight for their rights? Someone who has proven to potentially become a real liability?
I can go on and on, but if you take a closer look and use a little common sense you will realize that there was and is a need to keep a close watch over.
Like "keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer".
The tithe is mandatory, the offering is optional and voluntary. We must tithe whether reluctantly or not, it's a commandment. The offering is our option and voluntary, and we will not disobey God if we don't offer.
Bye for today.
I'll take a break now, and in view of today's conversation I will leave you with one question:
Are we to take the Word of God literally or not?
Sassy, obedience to Him has been and will always be more important to God than our works, which, even the best ones, are filthy rugs before Him.
Sassy, aren't we commanded to tithe from what we produce? And if we fail to produce for a couple of weeks, how can we tithe from what we did not produce? If you tithe in advance or retroactively, what you do is tithe from what you have produced and give an additional offering from what you have produced. But two weeks of production were wasted as well as the corresponding tithes.
Sassy, if you go camping for a couple of weeks that means you will not work for a couple of weeks, that means you will not give the tithes for a couple of weeks, that means you will rob God.
Do we follow and observe the Sabbatical Year and the Jubilee?
Sassy, I agree, and that is why God specifically created and sanctified the Sabath day. That is all the provision God has made for us to rest.
excel, when your questions address the issue that I am presenting, I answer them.
So now u are going to tell us every thing we do must already been mentioned in the Bible.
No, what I am saying that what the Bible does not teach, we should not do. Likewise, we should do what the Bible do teach us.
Once again I ask u did God give us the ability to know the difference between right and wrong?
No, God didn't give us that ability, we stole it in the Garden of Eden.
Of course I heard the term "legalistic". It is frequently used defensively when we want to justify things that are not taught in the Bible.