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The corruption circle is complete... Game Over JPMC WINS
If there was any doubt, the appointment as the most powerful advisor to Obama is the new chief of staff (William Daley a top executive at JPMC.
There is no way that JD and his executives will be accused of anything!! This is game over guys and girls!!! The Chicago machine will be knocking on the judges door and making her an offer she can't refuse!!!
It's pure fantasy to believe little old you and I stand a chance against these guys!!
IMHO... This appointment may mean its the time to cut your losses!
NO NEED FOR ANYONE HERE TO WORRY IN 2011
Remember the words from one of our fearless leaders on this board..
- Hold on to your tickets, because BAM, you're either in or out when the gavel drops(or words to that effect
- 2 times value (whatever that is) (no one knows, except diamond of course lol)
TIC TOC....
OKAY...TIC TOC... 731 DAYS, 2 WEEKS, 16 HOURS, 5 MINUTES AND 32 SECONDS...
HEY CASHBUILDER... We're all still waiting
If we're to believe all this dd and findings are MOSTLY correct, there is NO WAY this women who has never been in charge of a case this big will come close to researching and understanding the full extent of what's in front of her IMHO.
My gosh the amount of effort on this board is staggering, how is she supposed to absorb all of this -
JPMC PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE GIVE US A $1 0r $2 so we can all go home lol
ACTUALLY... I'm not leaving until diamonds PROVED RIGHT!!
There is no way on gods green earth that this judge will have this case over by the end of THIS YEAR!
She doesn't show any urgency and neither does anyone else..
We're going to see delay, delay, delay, delay and oh some more delay..
The months will drag on and on and on and on and on... Ihubbers will continue with their complaining, their dd and their reporting of events all the way into 2012 IMHO.
The $$$$$$ will continue to pile up for the attorneys who go home, look in the mirror and laugh their heads off as they get in their Porsches and go to the finest restuarants in their communities.
Eventually, our adversaries will want to move forward and put this behind them with an offer of a dollar, maybe two. The EC will jump at the chance and take it knowing that going to court and spending another 5 years on this just isn't worth it..
Like I've said before...JPMC have the money, they have the banks, they hold ALL the cards and we're just poor shlubs hoping to pivk up some scraps that they may throw our way.
All the dd in the world isn't going to convince this judge to move this case along....
The only good news for me here, is it gives me months and months to add more lottery tickets.. I'm buying all I can afford at under 10 cents, I have no doubt we'll see a $1 in the final settlement so I think that's a great deal and a good gamble.
You're right
The judge will take her time, the response from her will be poor and weak, just as we've seen time and time and time again.
Sad to say but this time NEXT YEAR we'll still be here expecting the judge will grow some and ACTUALLY RULES ON SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL THAT SHOWS SHE ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS THIS CASE!
If we are to beleive all the dd on this board is accurate and relevant to equity seeing $$$$, then we have to now believe this judge is clueless, there's no other explanation as to how 2 years later we're still waiting for her to put Rosen in his place and swing this case our way.
What's happy about it??
This judge is useless we're still at under 6 cents lol
Seriously, Happy New Year to you and your loved ones...
They're Demanding JD and Sheila come and explain their crimes against WAMU...
Happy New Year to EVERYONE, yes everyone, even to those who pretend to have me on ignore because they can't take opposing viewpoints lol...
Seriously, I wish health, wealth and happiness to you and all of your loved ones...
Chiron, we"ve been here a long time (even pre Chiron name) lol... Good luck and peace bro..
diamond I would love to meet you next year in Vegas, shake your hand and you tell me 2 x value.. I told u so!! Lol
Let's hope enough pressure is seen early next year on our enemies and we get some $$$
Now it's time to relax and enjoy the evening...
longhaulg I read and loved the mason letter as did most on this board, but who cares???
It doesn't mean
1. The judge read it
2. It gets entered into court
3. she agrees with it
4. She acts upon it
5. It's true and holds up against Rosens counter arguements
Everone on this board faced with DNA and evidence would have convicted OJ!!! Can you say justice was screwed up???
Knowing it's true and convincing a very nervy, wobbly, and indecisive judge as we have here, are 2 different things..
She had fantastic opportunities throughout 2010 to award equity billions but each time she failed!!! U know it and I know it!!!
2011???? Probably more indisputable evidence of corruption, wrongdoing etc presented to her on a silver plate and likely more disappointment from her bench...
Lomghaulq no matter what u think, I'm on the same page as u... I believe in justice and dollars but just saying it so on this board is futile, the judge needs to grow some, u know it and I know it!!
Until she does 100 mason letters are useless IMHO
lets's be clear I believe 100% that wamu was conveniently rewarded to JPMC, I have no doubt in my mind. I' m invested heavily in UQ lottery tickets and will continue to add to the pile for anything under 10 cents..
All the dd I've read points to a stinky, smelly, corrupt mess but that doesn't mean for one minute that the judge has also read these fine filings or even understands them and worst even agrees with them..
Again there are miscarriages of justice every single day and this judge SO FAR gives out the vibes that she doesn't have the nerves to judge accordingly. How many chances did she miss to award us billions in 2010??
I keep seeing references about Bear Sterns BK... That case was settled ages ago and shareholders are enjoying their reward!!!
one minute we're told this is not Bear Stearns the next minute we're told to use that as an indicator of things to come... Which is it diamond??? Mr 2 x value... What's the value??? I haven't seen either party in court mention a value, you seem to be the only one capable of putting a number on it..
I'm convinced if the judge sees and understands all that's presented to her we'll see a dollar or 2, so for 10 cents and under it's cheap to gamble some cash.. Heck this is sooooooooooooooo much fun for the money...
Be prepared though for a shocker from this judge so far she hasn't even come close to putting pressure on Rosen and his misfits...
I'd love her to knock this thing out of the park early and put Rosen scurrying away, but time and time again she throws him a lifeline and disappoints us....
Cashbuilder, great posts... It's good to have at least on toner person keeping an open mind here..
This was a deal done between JPMC AND FDIC, they negotiated and agreed on the terms of the deal. Neither party is going to come even close to throwing the other under tbe bus, that thought and logic is absurd.
That's not how agreements are made and kept. They both were happy with the deal and until there is 100% PROOF that something they did has been shown to be illegal then WHY would either party settle anything??
As far as they're concerned they have all the cards and all tbe banks!!
Forget what we'd like to see happen focus on what has actually been presented as evidence of wrong dong to the judge..
So far after 2 years NOTHING has convinced her to make any major rulings for equity
I hear they have one also BUT I CAN'T PROVE IT!!
Oh and they're asking for diamonds 2 x value... BUT I CAN'T PROVE IT!!
Can we start 2011 we less crap specualtion and more FACTS!!! REAL FACTS...
Can we pleeeeze just analize what's being done in court and whar's factual from papers available to us..
We've had losers speculating about settlement and numbers for 2 years now and we're here at 6 cents 2 years later!!
if their voice pieces and surrogates are openly voicing little concern then perhaps WE SHOULD be concerned!!!
Reputations r on the line...
It doesn't look like Cramer and Dimon are the least bit worried about the outcome of the BK or any trial.
This IS the problem... They r under zero pressure from our side or a very very weak judge.
This is a high stakes money game to them and they r the best of the best at playing...
Watch wall street 2,
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
I stand strong to my commitment to keeping my lottery tickets safe and my shredder packed away
I also stand strong against pointless postings such as below...
I stand STRONG with my "DD by the NUMBERS" and "THE is THE LAW" !!!!! "2 times VALUE PLUS" !!!!
We have seen NOTHING PRESENTED in court FOR TWO YEARS by OUR ATTORNEYS that come close to this and until we do I urge everyone on this board to stay cautious of such mindless dribble!!!
Wrath of walrath... R u enjoying too much egg nogg???
She doesn't have it in her.
Look the facts are that Rosen can not come to court at anytime now with a plan for equity without seriously getting himself into deep harm professionally and personally...
He has stated on the record time and time again there is nothing for equity, he can not suddenly find billions of dollars
If Rosen is replaced we may see some action with new faces...
I just don't see how he saves face and pays us
Chiron I can't pm u but thanks for all your responses...
Merry Christmas to everyone
I wish you all good health and wealth for the New Year..
BTW: please don't lump me in with the 'bashers'... I am presently very nicely invested in the success of this stock and am well over my holdings of March and that debacle.
Tomorrow I'm going to purchase another 10000 lottery tickets, unlike JW I want success here, not failure!!
Ignoring and poking fun at the constant speculation and numbers posted here day after day isn't bashing. Offering a contrary view to so called experts who post nonsense on this board isn't bashing.
I am eager for this to end successfully for everyone...
What's the possible return on the K's???
I want a significant and reasonable settlement but this today proves what a total farce this case is..
We now have a judge that refuses to open sealed documents and gives nothing but a pathetic excuse for not doing so. What so many here STILL fail to come to terms with is the poor judgement of this judge..
She always punts at critical moments and continually fails to deliver when faced with the obvious..
Rosen and crew have got her exactly where they want her..
Feel free to disagree but the facts today are the facts!!
I'm not dissapointed as so many r today because I know she doesn't have it in her to buck the powerful and wealthy and award tbe common folk..
Human nature is the same always, judge or not she wants to be loved and admired by the wealthy circles she moves in, not Joe the plumber who may have had his retirement stolen by these scumbags.. All IMHO
No big volume or buyers at 6 cents with possible explosion to $$$ based on tomorrow should have us all worried!!
This weeks low volume is not a good sign IMHO
Chiron should I be excited???
We've been here a long time, I'm a little uncomfortable that the volume today has been poor and no reasonable rise in price!!!
I'm expecting very little tomorrow, we've been so dissapointed in the past.
If your right and the judge can't tell the continued lies from the facts then it's all a waste of time!!!
Time for the judge to judge, enough fence sitting.
If the dd on this board is accurate then a monkey could have decided this case 2 years ago..
I'm concerned if they're not pressured to settle before unsealing
No settlement before Friday = No fear of Friday!!
IMHO we're underestimating our enemies resolve if they r prepared to have it unsealed, obviously there's less to fear in that document than we think...
You guys are simply amazing...
I have no idea how this is going to end (stating the obvious, having said that you are all the most amazing group of people that I have had the pleasure of running across.
Many times (more often than not) I have offered up a contrary view of how I see things but I am still in awe of all of your dd and handling of yourselves.
I'm buying some more lottery tickets this week, I'm not sure how this will play out but I'd love to have the opportunity to make some cash for my family and to give to others to make their lives better.
I am hoping for the best, fearing the worst.
It's posts like that from Chaarles that make me a buyer everytime!!!
If this judge can't see the wool being pulled over her eyes, the lies and the deceit that has been told to her very face for nearly 2 years, then quite frankly she doesn't deserve to be the judge at a beauty contest let alone in this court...
Good luck to all of you......
TOTALLY AGREE
We ALL AGREE.... JPM took down WAMU to save their own bank.. so mmmmmmm how r they going to settle now? With what??
They weren't prepared to go under 2 years ago, what makes anyone on this board think they're prepared to cave in and go under now?
FDIC is corrupt and protected by some of the most powerful in the world. No settlement from them either...
Best solution all around, pressure the judge to agree to the por, screw the shareholders and make this quitely go away.
People on this board once that happens are going to do what exactly? Write more messages, form more support groups?
I agree with your post 100%, that document once unsealed better be an earthquake ready to crack open our opponents check books or this is all over!! IMHO
face this one fact!!!
If what has been sealed is to OUR BENEFIT and means equity is in money and there is PROOF of wrongdoing that he has evidence of....
Then there is no way this gets unsealed!!!
If settlement does not happen before 17th then what's in that envelope is of little relevance to us as far as hoping to be in the $$$$$$ anytime soon...
I wouldn't get too excited yet....
That's why even though I respect and admire the relentless hard work and passion here too many people here forget that she could EASILY and correctly have done that and this case would likely have been over months ago!!!
Because she fails to deliver time and time again makes me cynical and less confident that she has the knowledge and true ability to see through the crap and go against the powerful forces aimed her way...
I am happy to be proved totally wrong...
Yes, I did...
Which is why the judge is going to have to have rare courage to overcome the onslaught of pressure coming her way to quietly tie this up and end it ' for the greater good, you know for the good of the country'
We all know the conversation.... Yes, we made mistakes but there's no point in making it all public and destroying the reputation of these fine establishments and people is it Mary? So Mary, where do you see yourself a couple of years from now?? There's going to be some amazing opportunities here in the Obama administration coming up, we'd love to see you in one of these high profile positions,
Mary the process was flawed we realize that now, but just put the matter to bed,
leave it be, and your reward for serving will be gratefully received. Jamie is going to make a great treasurer and we can't have his reputation ruined before i announce it over such a small and silly matter can we?
# 1 question is does the judge have the moral fortitude and courage????
FACT: every time she has been faced with a truly critical decision to turn this case in our favor make she has failed to do so and simply punted!!
IMHO there is no more punting room left for her... She is now going to be tested!!
Got it....
I'm hopeful that justice and cash will finally see the light of day for all of us.
Can someone please explain to me why all tbe high fives and congratulations???
The judge clearly asked in open court for a valuation to be presented and no one gave it to her..
Why r we now better off than we were a year ago???
Unless I'm mistaken we're getting way ahead of ourselves here. The judge may very well decide that since she asked for the valuation and none was presented that the por must be okay and sign off on it.
If our side has the numbers what r they afraid of???
First of all I'm for anyone who posts great pictures of girls like that with their posts!!!
Of course I'm for equity... I want to see EVERYONE make money or have their funds restored to pre-seizure numbers BUT we r sooooooooooooooo far away from hhis happening and these goons haunt presented anything that will turn this case.
The judge asked today for the valuation... At that point someone on our side should have immediately stood up and told her the facts!! Instead we have posters here speculating we couldn't because of an upcoming trial!!!????
Our side has not presented one set of numbers that goes against Rosens!!!
Whar r we waiting for??? Christmas 2020???
I'm for equity
I'm for making money
I'm for all ihubers who have had the balls to stick this out
I'm for early retirement
I'm for Vegas
I'm for sussman
I'm for JD being locked up
# 1... I'm for someone on our side to cut through the crap and present numbers that will rock the market to it's core!!!
IMHO: The trial that's going to take another 10 years or so Including appeals to decide what really went on!!!
Didn't you know??
Oh sorry, you've been had into believing this would be over soon, hope u don't need the funds you've invested here...
Good news, based on the past 2 years is they"ll be plenty of time to flip shares between say 6 cents and 20 cents with the occasional manipulated breakout.
This is far from over... You see the attorneys still have millions of dollars to make off of this case so there's no reason or hurry to help out equity and us.
You may want to bequeath your shares to your heirs it may take that long to see this through to the end..
In fact they may find a cure for cancer quicker than this judge finds the courage to rule in our favor!!!
We've really hit a home run in court the past few days, I mean look at the volume and explosion in interest and market price... Wow everyones so impressed with what they've heard!!! NOT!
if u believe this board everyones in everyones pockets and the entire world is against us... The mm's play their tricks, the market according to diamond is in JPMC pocket. The examiner was in "someones" pocket, it goes on and on and on....
So whose pocket is the judge in????
We've seen NOT ONE positive ruling that has placed equity in the money even though dd on this board could be argued it clearly should be...
She has NEVER shown the willingness or courage to put vital pressure on Rosen and place him in a truly uncomfortable position of weakness...
Will the judge please rule SOMETHING that tells equity is in the money!!!
Maybe she needs MORE DIRECTION... Where's the money diamond??? Where's the subs???
Funny how u know it but no one else in the world has presented them... Perhaps the judge is only waiting for you to appear and change the course of this case...
You could be sworn in and say over and over again....
2 x value... Numbers don't lie, people do....
mmmm... Not sure that'll do it but you could try...
Unwrapping the shredder tonight looks like my lottery tickets are destined for it very soon.
If these court hearings are a sign of things to come
The share price right now may be a bargain and the best we can hope for??????..
There is zero sign the market believes 2 x value...
Financial experts have heard the same testimony as we have and there is absolutely NOTHING TO SUGGEST that we'll see 10 cents let alone $8!!!
Can we help diamond gently back to earth and help him, someone must bring him back to reality...
Testimony DOES NOT = $$$$$$$$
FACTS and PRESSURE = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Chiron
I know u pm me but i don't have ability to respond...
I agree with what you wrote here..
This board has been enthusiastic ( to say the least) about how this will go our way ie 2 x value or 3 x value etc...
Unfortunately those with the opposing view of 0 x value have been beraded, laughed at and most times deleted...
All the dd for the past 2 years has produced not one, I repeat not one game changing event in court that has moved money to equity and seen a rise in share price... Forgive me, but the 'experts' here no nothing, it's sad to say but it's true...
I want this to be 100% successful for all, but show me the money!!! Enough of the speculation
Bought back very nicely in at 5 cents... At these silly single digit numbers not buying if u believe $$$$ r coming is just silly.
1. I have a shredder for my wamu portfolio ready for the judges inaction and blinkers to the truth
2. I have my resignation letter and suitcases packed for diamonds 2 x value
Either way at 5 cents a share I don't care.. Any pre seizure shareholders should be in fantastic shape now if they took advantage over the past month. If they believe they were wronged and will see compensation, not to buy back in for pennies would seem plain crazy to me..
For post seizure players it's just a crap shoot and has been the whole time...
IMHO... Buy what you can afford to lose....
Does it matter???
We r beyond caring about the daily or weekly fluctuations of this stock after 2 years, do u really think THAT has any relevance here???
Common stock holders r holding lottery tickets, that's the pure and simple case here... Either the judge will decide in favor of equity or they'll be a settlement. OR we'll see ZERO!!
IMHO... They'll be no settlement until enough pressure and evidence is presented in OPEN court for the world to see and hear where certain individuals begin to panic about their freedom!!
Thursday was great, Friday was so so...
At under 8 cents a share who gives a crap if it even floats back to 20 cents??
$$$$$
That's what 99% of us r here for anyway...
If the judge would rule on just one major issue and start placing money in equitys corner we'd start moving towards settling this mess. So far once again she dissapoints at the most important times..
I'm not sure why so many regulars r having a love affair with the judge... She's RULED on absolutely NOTHING that has rewarded equity tbe billions they deserve..
Until she does all the excitement on this board is no different than what we've seen time and time again... Followed by HUGE disappointment and dismay...
Thank you..
Have a great weekend
We know what happens on days like this..
More disappointment, more reasons and speculation why the judge didn't rule and is so weak.. More delays, more motions, more success for Rosen and more questions like ..' where's the EC, where's Sussman?
We'll see little change today, it's SHAMEFUL that we're still in court discussing this...
Attorneys get wealthy, we get screwed and this story is played out millions of times each year..
IMHO... I despise attorneys!!! They contribute NOTHING to society???
Does SHE read everything or is she fed or presented information that clerks think r relevant to the case?
Would they tell/show her everything... Would THEY decide what is relevant???
We r talking billions here... There may be one or two peeps that JPMC could easily get 2..
Maybe I've seen too many movies but I hope the EC, Sussman have their offices debugged and have critically assessed their staff members!
Based on all we know.. I have a feeling we'll be saying Happy Birthday for a few more years before this is over...
Good luck to everyone tomorrow, let's hope for once we actually see some facts and evidence presented to the world that rocks JPMC/FDIC back on their heels and we can all start to believe again in justice etc
I'm sick and tired of HOPING that the judge will do the right thing and give us the billions
Come on judge.. Turn my lottery tickets into gold bars
Don't expect too much tomorrow gang, we're all likely to be once again disapointed
Oh.. but not matter what happens I'm sure diamond-guru will be back with his 2 x value post..