Hey, just out of curiosity, how many people went to jail during the housing bubble/banking crisis?

I guess with your example NONE of them were crooks since only one person went to jail. Right?

Foolish as in when we warned of a suspension?
Foolish as in when we warned of dilution?
Foolish as in when we warned that no form 10 would be filed.

Foolish as in still thinking we don't know what we are talking about?

The only thing "foolish" is praising those so-called "super successful" scam artist who have already robbed investors once and are about to double dip.

Haven't we explained that a hundred times?

It is called "lying". A very common tradition in the scammy penny scam market. Lans Holding isn't the first, nor the last to lie in a PR.

Soon you will hopefully figure out "why they PR'd about a Form 10 if they didn't mean it" lol.

So you mean LAHO wasn't that "one stock in stinky pinky land that was gonna make everyone rich"?

You mean those of us who were warning for many many months weren't just lying for the hell of it?

Noooo, say it ain't so.

Nothing but false hope when it comes to anything LAHO related.

The negative is ignored and the far fetched is praised lol.

But what about the form 10? I mean I am certain I was told for months how I was an idiot and the form 10 was definitely coming!

lol... oh my oh my.

Now I'll have to hear about how this new swindle is going to be awesome till they discover commons are getting screwed.

One carrot moving further..... get the rabbits ready!

But how is this possible? I mean I am pretty sure I have heard that "LAHO" will trade again! lol

I give up lol. Someone else can maybe explain it.

Maybe you should read my original comment again and then you can admit you misunderstood my post and made a bad comparison.

They said in THEIR post:
2 1/2 months revoked and the interest remains. If death was a certainty, there would be no interest.

So their point was that LAHO's death is not certain BECAUSE if it was there would be no one talking about it. We on the same page so far?

Then I mentioned another stock that hasn't traded in a LONG time and still has people talking about it. Most people consider that one dead also and since it has just been sitting idle for almost a decade shows that discussions haven't moved that PPS.

So it doesn't matter that one is revoked and one is in the greys. My entire point wasn't about the stocks in general. My post was about how "discussing a stock doesn't suddenly give it a death-proof guarantee.

So comparing that BOTH stocks have idle PPS's and BOTH stocks have people talking about them is apples to apples.

So the "most posted" board is now a determining factor on the outcome of stocks also?

A stock having people discussing it (regardless of its trading status) doesn't make the stock more or less likely to end up being successful.

So anyone saying that LAHO will succeed because people are still talking about it is laughable.

Trading is irrelevant to my comment. My comment was just making a point that just because people are "discussing" them doesn't mean it is a good thing.

How so? They are both stocks that got hit by the SEC. They both currently have people discussing them here claiming "good things are coming". How are they different?

SRG* got SEC Hammered back in 2013 and occasionally people still talk about that one also.

Spoiler Alert: It's still dead.

So discussions about LAHO don't really change anything. We are all just talking about it. The only thing that will change this one is forms that haven't been started yet and likely never will.

Well my post is about the "current state" of LAHO not the "hopeful state".

Currently, the have nothing to do with Stem Cell Data.

Never seen a scam company defended.. oh wait, never mind. Yeah, I've seen that one a bunch.

Nice! Shame LAHO has nothing to do with them.

Dang it. I'm over here talking about how MM's and Shorty always get the blame and I get swift reminder that apparently even the SEC gets blamed! LOL.

Let's not blame Lans holding though... no, never. They have been perfect.

Absolutely. Shorting in the OTC is almost non existent but always gets the blame.

When I research penny companies (like LAHO) I assure you that I am WAY MORE suspect of someone telling me to "load the cheapies" than I am someone showing me photos of an empty office or ceo criminal records.

Yeah, that was my view also. If you look at most stocks like LAHO you'll clearly see a LOT MORE "new post" appearing that just flat out lie about the company.

"News tomorrow". "Weeeeee". "To da moon!!". "Something big coming, I can't tell you, just trust me and load up".

I see that nonsense WAY MORE than I see people saying not to buy LAHO.

I believe that side is far shadier. Hence the reason I lost a lot when I first started over a decade ago. I honestly thought people were letting me know I was getting in on something good only to find out I got lied to and dumped on.

Well my question about shorting was in regards to LAHO of course Just as your replies were.

But shorting doesn't make a stock fall. It might temporarily nudge it when the shares are sold into the market but a good stock will quickly recover. If it continues to fall (due to the company) then yes you can profit when it comes time to pay for the advanced shares or the stock goes up and you lose money, just as you would if you bought low and it didn't rise.

I agree that growth is encouraged but a crappy company failing has nothing to do with the actions of the investors. Believe it or not I too also disliked the concept of shorting but I guess in a bear market that is probably the only way big time investors can profit.

But down here in sub penny land I don't even see how people do it. How can anyone make money shorting in the trips? Buying on the up offers a LOT of room to grow. Shorting .0007 to .0001 is just silly.

Just curious but why is it shady?

I mean buying a stock low because you think it will go up is no different than buying high because you think the company is failing and the PPS is going to fail. They are exactly the same thing.

Now sure, you could say that people could do shady tactics to benefit their position by encouraging the stock to fall but how is that any different from a low-end buyer loading up and then lying to make it go up (which btw happens a LOT more than the opposite)?

In my opinion buying in either direction is 100% the same.

Now personally I don't even understand the process on how to short. I hear you have to spend a lot more money and have special brokers? I've never attempted it but I know it happens. I believe that Timothy Sykes guys talks about it a lot but I believe he is shorting stocks that are over a nickle. I doubt he is shorting a stock that is at .0007. At those prices why short a stock that has little room to fall because it bottoms out? lol.

Blamed for everything. Not just for when the price goes down but shorty is the reason CEO's fail to do their paperwork on-time. They get blamed for when the SEC steps in and shuts a stock down. It is NEVER the fault of the company. It's shorty.

Well, I do have to be fair.. the MM's get a lot of heat also.

But it is never the company. NEVER accuse them of shady behavior. It is always MM games and Shorty plays. lol

Hey I wouldn't doubt it one bit. I'm sure they probably don't want it to trade again. I also don't believe there is that many if any at all.

My point is if you go to any stock board on here "shorty" is blamed for everything lol. Stock dropping? Shorty. Stock suspended? Shorty. Post something negative about the company? Shorty.

It's hilarious.

Ugggg. how many times do we have to explain the difference in short interest and .... nevermind.

Because you're not the first one to assume that. Honestly though it is ok. Those false accusation towards me in regards to shorting LAHO are why I am still here.

If anyone wishes to put together a contract though to prove it I'm game. Basically something that says if my account shows that I ever shorted a stock once in my life that I pay them and vice-versa. If someone puts one together and offers good payout I'll sign it!

Any takers? I mean everyone seems so confident... back it up with a bet.

"it's clearly obvious".

How so? I believe most people who have traded more than a week know that penny stocks are hard to short. Especially when the stock is already so close to ZERO to start with. I could see someone shorting something 10 cents and up but why would someone want to short a stock that is barely above .0001?

Plus from what I've heard it takes a LOT of money to usually short these stocks. I assure you for every shorter there are thousands of investors buying LAHO on the up side. Hence the reason you see a LOT more people here lying to get it to go up than down.

Just look at the LAHO board here. Count the pumps vs dumps. I bet for every one of my bad post there are 50 praising it.

Actually it is like that on ALL the boards. Go to any stock and I bet you that out of all the post on each page maybe 5% are negatives yet the stocks fall... hmmm I wonder why?

IT IS CALLED PUMPING (aka lying) then DUMPING (aka, profiting off suckers who believed it). Blaming shorts for a stock crashing and burning is all part of the pump. Just part of the lie. just another attempt to discredit anyone trying to warn new investors from getting duped.

I love how the "shorts" are so quickly blamed while reality is completely ignored.

They were 2 years delinquent and the SEC attempted to notify them of their final warning back in MARCH of this year which was MONTHS before this stock was relevant.

Denying those facts only make things look shadier. But I know, I know.... LAHO can do no wrong. They are a perfect company who just hit a rough spot lol.

I'll bring this all up again next year when investors are still wondering where their money went.

One day I'll find a stock on here where people are honest enough to just say "hey, maybe it was THEIR fault they got suspended". Then I'll invest in it just because it is that unique.

If you ever wonder why I do what I do, THAT is the main reason. I came here many years ago and grew tired of the constant lies used to make shady scam companies look good.

Stock suspended? It couldn't be the company, it is those pesky shorts!
Fake employees found on their company page? Ahhh, LAHO is a good company, it must be those pesky shorts up to no good!
Stock being pumped and dumped? It couldn't be people buying, lying and dumping! Noooo... it's those pesky shorts!

Those red flags are what I look for.

What do you mean by "all signs"? I think the only "sign" we have that says they are on the right track is Davids word.

Can you tell me ONE TIME that he kept his word? (With the exception of him revoking the stock like he said he would). Name one promise he made in those PR's that he followed through on.

I still remember like it was yesterday how we were all told on here how some "random" body was found and someone here (MMR) said "oh no, I hope it wasn't SRGE's CEO!

And wouldn't you know that two days later it was his body.

What a coincidence!

This one was a CLASSIC scam. Probably the best one I had ever seen. They spared no expense on setting that one up. From painting the work site. Photoshopped photos. Paid promotors here.

I still remember us all being laughed at until we showed those overgrown mine photos that exposed it all. BUT even after those photos released it still didn't sink in for most. It took them flat out lying on Boxing day to put the final nail into the SRGE coffin.

The problem with penny scams is they always promise big things before they go quiet.

The silence doesn't guarantee anything. If we went by the "everything is on track until we hear different" logic then that means if we haven't heard anything by 2021 it could still be assumed they are fixing the issues.

In all fairness, the majority of penny scams don't PR that their plans fell apart. Most of the them just go quiet and slowly vanish into the background.

So silence doesn't give me any confidence when it comes to the OTC.

I was talking about the ones that were due last week. They never showed up on time.

I love hearing about all the things that "might" happen when it comes to scams. They also said they were merging... but that never happened either.

When either happens though, hit me up.

LOL... So the stock goes through a REVERSE SPLIT and then BOOM... goes silent.

The PPS continues to fall while no one has heard a PEEP from the company.

Oh and the fins never showed up on time.

I don't think "NASDAQ" is remotely close to what we are thinking. I believe my scam assumption from LAST YEAR was more accurate. I have to admit though that the longer the stock sits idle and the more shady behavior takes place that some seeing it as a "good thing" is absolutely HILLARIOUS.

Would they be "swollen"from them taping all of that investor money to their bodies while attempting to smuggle it out of the country?

Well I'll check-in with ya next summer after they vanish to see if you still think David and Benito are "swell guys".

Because it was once a hot stock. I saw it on the break out board and I started researching it.

Maybe it was fate... who knows lol.

Truth is I heard that same question with the ones before this one. Plus I was originally warning about the fake merger over at WBG* and of course it died after the R/S (that I predicted also btw).

Then the board went dead and I picked up LAHO while waiting to see what happened with the other one.

After the 180 days here comes and goes I'll find another one. I'll find red flags. I'll warn to help. I'll be mocked, insults, etc... and in the end HOPEFULLY help some from losing money.

(Update: To answer your other question about why not the other ones that you consider "worse", well, to be honest with you I think this one is pretty bad. The whole "RM" play isn't anything new. Many scams have used that play to scheme money.

Considering they diluted so hard in the beginning was terrible. I know you think dilution is good sometimes but these criminals ran two PR's and never even allowed investors a chance to make money after they kept MAX on call every day to suck up everyone's money while the PPS just sit idle.

Then seeing where they listed fake employees on their FB page and Linkedin page looked even worse. Then David decides to leave out important detail in his address for BOTH offices which in my "opinion" looked intentional. I believe that he had full intentions on having the SEC step in and shut it down so it didn't look intentional.

Then he had the nerve to PR that he would fix this all (to keep people calm long enough to accept what happened). He is clever and followed just enough rules to keep himself out of prison.

So if you feel some of them are "worse" then obviously they must "look" worse and in my opinion it is the ones you don't see at first glance that are the most dangerous.

Plus I am only one guy who just does this on the side while working a regular job and I only have 15 post a day. I can't cover it all.

Same here. I have tried to be honest from the get go. I found many red flags when it came to LAHO and I began to share my views.

I haven't told anyone to buy or sell. I only wanted to give my warnings and it is up to the trader to use my info in conjunction with those talking positive about it.

If you go through my post you will see many issues I had with LAHO. I also warned hard right before the suspension since I knew they were extremely delinquent. I honestly tried to help people from getting stuck and in return I got mocked (and still do lol)

I never reported anything to the SEC.
I never bought a single share up or down.
I never got paid for anything I said.

You can choose to believe me or not. I don't care honestly and I will continue to do what I do and if people don't like my opinions then I recommend putting me on ignore.

BUT... before you do just take a good look at how many time I've been correct (with the exception of being a month early on my dead date prediction). Or you can ignore and listen to those who recommended everyone buying this turd.

Well I've been here for a long time discussing this one. As of right now there are still "theories" that it might comes back so there is still plenty for an opposing side to debate.

I'm not here to buy, I'm here to give my opinions on what the outcome might be. Plus it is nice to finally not be accused of bad mouthing to get the PPS down. If people haven't realized yet that my goal was always to warn they just aren't paying attention because obviously my post have zero influence on the PPS.