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Historically, Webber spent five months searching for the 1641 Concepcion which failed. In the process he found thirteen other historic shipwrecks. New research and new magnetometer system Webber developed himself, on his second expedition, he found the Concepcion in five days. If proper technology and survey techniques were applied by Fisher, it never should have taken seven years. In the case of be it either Webber or Fisher, these were hands-on pros. They found treasure throughout their even lean years. When you go ten years plus chasing your tail with nothing to show for it, well.........
Its rather sickening to read this insistent comparison of Mel Fisher to this penny stock CEO and to say their so much alike. They're not. Not by a long shot. Naturally mistakes are made and indeed Fisher made plenty, but to sit more or less in one place for two years, say your on the wreck but can't find anything is rather absurd. No they're not the same.
Quote: Oh wow, I didn't know cannons and pistols are considered floatsum.
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Just how do you think those limited items got there? (found by Heartland over a decade ago) Thats what occurs when a ship breaks up. Portions separate and in some documented cases drift for miles. Incidentally, not cannons as you state but rather one single cannon. Call this Kyle. Why should I care. The experts/archaeologists, as you put it apparently haven't improved the companies situation over the past ten years and counting. Lobster fishing in the Bahamas might prove more lucrative. One never knows.
How many times most one explain what flotsam is.
Quote: mother load that they're "already on",
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What you said is what you said. "They're already on it". I've followed shipwreck trails numerous times in the past so I actually don't need your analogy of bread crumbs and a loaf of bread. They are obviously not even on a shipwreck not to even mention a mother load. Although I've probably posted it six or seven times, need I again list the things normally encountered when you are in fact "on the wreck"?
Quote: mother load that they're "already on",
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This is a bold and very misleading statement. Fortunately its not the company making such an outlandish statement. Since you made it, why don't you share your source of evidence. The "mother load" really. A mother load of iron spikes perhaps.
So many here use Mel Fisher as the crutch for years of non-production of this company. The difference between Fisher and this CEO are like night and day. From the time each one of them stepped into the treasure hunting scene, there is no comparison. Fisher was recovering treasure and valuable artifacts throughout his entire career well before he found the Atocha. As to this CEO hiring people with experience, (he doesn't need experience) he apparently hasn't actually done too well with ten years of basically nothing and another season near gone and nothing to show for it. Very impressive.
Quote: Possibly the safest investment long-term thats out there!
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Considering the long term track record of this company, are you actually serious with a statement like this?
With it rather apparent there's no wreck, tell all about the future.
Quote: That's what they said to Mel Fisher when all his investors were bailing on him.
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Some very big differences. Mel Fisher was an experienced treasure hunter / treasure finder. To my understanding, this company CEO isn't. As Fisher's quest for the Atocha continued, he was producing sprinklings of both artifacts and treasure. To my understanding, this outfit found some iron spikes. These spikes obviously were fasteners of a fairly large piece of side and/or decking which was large enough to support the floating of a cannon and some other misc. artifacts as originally found by Heartland. That folks is what Flotsam is all about. Thats my opinion anyway.
No one likes that word FLOTSAM. Understandably.
Its actually come to the point where its rather comical, meaning the posts one now reads here.
Quote: Who knows buddy.
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We and most others following this clown show know that the Goldberg run INOH is a complete 100% scam. Always has been and always will be. The fact that the SEC has allowed this to continue on as it has is disgusting. The man lies for a living endlessly selling shares in a company that only exists on paper. I know this poor example of a human being personally and have myself suffered the consequences. Investors stay away from this company and the clown who runs it. A very bad actor.
All traditional Goldberg bull shit. The rat lies for living. Thats his stock and trade. I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE MAN.
Oh but I do get out. My lap-top is always with me.
Quote: Is it a Stern Castle?
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This continues to get more absurd as days go by, or rather ten years goes by. No supportive evidence of even a verifiable shipwreck site and now the hint, hint suggestions of a stern castle. Really. What evidence? Stay with my (and others) sound theory of flotsam. To professionals who know old shipwrecks, all signs indicate thats precisely what it is, thus far, flotsam.
Quote: let's keep it conforming.
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I don't conform with anything. I prefer facts which when it comes to statements like "we're on the shipwreck", the evidence is obviously lacking. Can't deny there's evidence of flotsam. Now that's fact I do believe.
Quote: They're already in it
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Oh, really. whats the evidence? Some flotsam I do not doubt but the actual wreck? What evidence do you have that warrants you to make such a statement?
Quote: guys need treasure that's it.....
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They need a wreck first which seems to be lacking.
Quote: LMAO yup I know them.
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Well guess what. Yup I know Goldberg personally. A totally unethical lying scumbag con-man. Lying is the name of his game without thew slightest regard to who he cheats, hurts or ruins. Yup I know him. Stay away from INOH. Its a total scam.
Quote: Do you know how long it took to discover the Titanic? 73 years
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Has no relativity whatsoever. The Titanic is in about 12,000 ft. of water. Deep water survey technology to find the wreck was not available until the mid 1980's. Actually funny. The SFRX posters make excuses defense team. Way, way, way over due to find the wreck and cease making statements like "we're on the wreck" when there is zero evidence.
Its called aiding and abetting a scum bag crook.
Quote: It took Mel Fisher 15 years to find the Atocha.
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The very big difference is that Fisher was a seasoned, tried and proven treasure hunter. treasure finder. In that fifteen years that you mention, he was constantly finding treasure and artifacts. Not a bunch of iron spikes over ten years. Find something that spells "wreck site" then there's something to talk about. The poster excuses are endless.
Quote: Diving days?
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Actually the amount of diving days is not too relevant to the statement "we're on the wreck". When your on a wreck, evidence of same is normally produced on a daily basis. A bunch of iron spikes is not that evidence.
Quote: Ever try to find a light switch in the dark in a forriegn area?
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One is to be impressed with the fact that SFRX divers are professionals even if not experienced historic shipwreck divers. That said understand that professional divers are trained to work in zero visibility conditions. I question if their conditions are total zero visibility. In these conditions reliability is put into the application of sensitive ferrous/non-ferrous u/w metal detectors and the magnetometer (ferrous metals only) along with ones u/w compass and the sense of touch. Why is it that excuses are continuously rendered for lack of results?
As I had commented many times before, whats been found thus far shows every indication of being the remnants of a larger piece of flotsam separated from the main shipwreck. A piece of decking and/or side structure. My view is further supported by the finding of the deadeye strap. To date, there are no anchors, grapplings, cannons, no cannonballs, ballast stones (hundreds if not thousands), Spanish olive jars and or shards (which are encountered in numbers of dozens if not hundreds when your in a wreck site). Pointless to list again those things that are typically found when in a wreck site. I've done that numerous times. When one states "we're on the shipwreck" and this is the resultant inventory after two years, yes in my opinion, its rather pathetic. I've dove on Spanish Colonial shipwrecks so I kind of know the playbook. The main wreck is somewhere but apparently not exactly there. Again only my opinion.
What a very pathetic outcome. Not one ballast stone not one olive jar shard, etc., etc. And "we are on the wreck" seriously? Sad.
Quote: I didn't know this, but did you know the state requires SFRX to maintain a "conservation lab" every year?
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For what? SFRX in ten years has had nothing worthy to preserve. Putting it simply, they have yet to even find a shipwreck. Why would the State of Florida make it mandatory that any contractor maintain a conservation lab if they haven't even been issued a salvage contract?
Spain never sued Fisher.
Just coins from one of the 1715 shipwrecks already grandfathered in.
Quote: Do you know?
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Its not pertinent that I do know. I asked the question and obviously you don't have the answer. Call your CEO. He would know, wouldn't he?
Are you aware of the fact that, as discussed at the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty conference in Paris, if the artillery (cannons) aboard a Spanish Colonial ship were loaned or leased by the Spanish Crown, it can be designated as a "warship". So do you know if the 1715 Concepcion's artillery was privately owned or was it owned by the Crown?
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Foaled was either typo or computer assumption. Meant to be "field measurement"
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You essentially said in your comments the detectors read steel or material from the boat, and acknowledged it doesn't read gold. Yes, that's fact, and exactly what I said. Makes it harder to find treasure. Do you have any idea how much trash/metal lays on the seafloor? I know the answer, no need to respond if you don't want to.
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Let me restate it one more time. Underwater metal detectors detect both ferrous and non-ferrous metals. A magnetometer measures the total intensity of the earths magnetic field between north and south pole. anything with in a given range of the marine towed sensor deviates the earths foaled measurement and creates whats called an anomaly. Usually anomalies created by iron cannons and anchors are unmistakably large and recognizable by even a novice operator. If I'm not mistaken, only one cannon was found in the area by Heartland years ago. I've been involved in marine surveys and shipwreck salvage with both of the instrumentations described. I don't know that you have. As I have posted ere numerous times before, when one is on or in the immediate area of a Spanish colonial period shipwreck its inevitable that the following things are encountered. Cannons, anchors, large quantities of ballast stones, lower hull structure timbers, olive jars intact and hundreds of broken shards. Other ceramics, bottles and crockery. Dining services as in plates, platters, utensils, drinking vessels, all in either pewter or silver normally. Export Chinese porcelains if the ship was of the New Spain fleet. Weaponry such as pistols, swords, daggers, etc. Numerous personal items. Silver and gold coins, cakes and bars. That little history lesson given, can you tell me if any of these things are being encountered on a daily basis when they're diving? I just think its quite misleading to have a company CEO make a public statement of "we're on the wreck" but in two years + or -, none of the stated items have even been found. So thats just my opinion same as you have yours.
You don't have to be a mariner to understand the characteristics of the Gulf Stream. Look it up on line. Quite simple.
The Gulf Stream flows north up to the latitude of about the Bermudas then turns east and is in most instances miles of shore. Many if not most of the other 1715 shipwrecks struck bottom, got torn up and sank like a hundred or two hundred yards off the beaches. The survivors and the dead were washed ashore. This is not the case with the Concepcion. Research, historian treasure hunter Jack Haskins made his statements based upon the documentation not by speculation.
Quote: Your answers were letter perfect
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Not really if you have any experience in this speculative game.
Quote: metal detectors don't read gold.
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Oh, indeed they do. Magnetometers do not. But magnetometers, properly used, detect ferro-magnetic objects that represent the remanent nature of a shipwreck. Apparently the area searched is devoid of this evidence.
The famed Spanish archivist Jack Haskins made it most clear from actual documentation he found. The 1715 "Concepcion" sank quite away off shore off of Cape Canaveral, thus the reason those few survivors were adrift so long. I posted that documentation here several times but understandably, there are those that prefer to remain in denial. Flotsam seems to be the word.
Quote: It will all happen in do time
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You are absolutely right. In due time (long over due) con-man Goldberg will get shut down and hopefully he will be prosecuted. "It will all happen in do time" as you say.
Can't deny that. So long as he continues to try.
"Tenacity" is the word. That deserves at least some respect.