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Get to the bottom line. What has this outfit ever found in now ten years plus? I actually truthfully know something about treasure hunting surveys and recovery of artifacts and treasure from early shipwrecks. Its actually pointless to go any further with logical explanations. Professionals find things. This appears to be an on going folly.
Quote: But it make sense than a cannon floating around for miles on the Atlantic ocean after a hurricane
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There are those kind of people where learning something new just isn't an acceptable thing. Perhaps I might just ask you the question. How did the 1622 Atocha bronze cannons come to be separated from the main wreck site by miles? Do you think Flipper and his friend Tommy Turtle nudged them along the bottom? Its called FLOTSAM. Ships break up on reefs. Large segments breakaway. Their buoyant.They float, carrying sometimes cannons or other materials. Next question. How did that one single iron cannon get to where it is off of Melbourne in 40 feet of water along with a couple of misc. other artifacts? There's no other cannons in the area. There's no concentration of ships ballast stones, no pottery shards, olive jars, treasure or anything else indicative of a main shipwreck site. Oh I forgot. It was that ingenious Flipper and Tommy Turtle. Excuse me.
I've answered your previous question and do agree with your most logical response.
Not quite. Difference is I know what I'm talking about. Its called experience.
Must I even take it a step further and besides explaining that gun carriages had wheels, they were securely lashed down. Cannons don't wind up sometimes miles away from a main wreck site because they floated away on little pieces of wood. They floated away because they were still attached to large sections of decking and or variable configurations of the ship that broke away. This is not some kind of theory. Its a historically proven fact numerous times.
Logical historically supported explanations mean nothing. There is apparently no shipwreck there but its hard for some to accept that. Spanish Colonial ships carried cannon, be they iron or bronze. In the case of the 1715 vessels they were iron. Very big magnetic targets, and I don't care if they are 15 ft. down in the sub-bottom. I've seen the magnetic signatures of iron cannons at similar distances using both sensitive Proton and Cesium magnetometers. So to date there's one single iron cannon in the area which was found by Heartland many years ago. At what depth in the sub-bottom was that cannon? Cannons because of there shape, weight/density work there way down towards bedrock over the Centuries. So are they trying to say this particular cannon is just hanging in suspension while all other even lighter shipwreck material is down 15 ft. under the magical piece of wood? Not likely. Comments here become more novice by the day.
Its all so very simple. Need not make it difficult. You just didn't understand FLOTSAM. Perhaps now you do.
You obviously know little about Spanish Colonial period shipwrecks. In every instance; Atocha 1622, San Joseph 1631,Concepcion 1641, Maravillas 1656, there was break away flotsam carrying substantial parts of the ship long distances. I addressed this to detail before but just for you I will repeat it again. The Atocha bronze cannons were not on the main wreck when finally found. They were some miles away (any a sea gull didn't carry them) carried on a piece of the breakaway wreckage. Its called FLOTSAM. Hope you appreciated the lesson.
Flotsam plain and simple. Dream on. U/w metal detectors and magnetometers tell the rest of the story. Or rather they already did.
Damage control. Endless excuses. Boy, you're good.
Cooper's Treasure is a real joke almost boarder lining fraud.
Is this what it all comes down to when after ten years they can't find shipwrecks, and more important, can't find treasure. This is more than funny. Cryptocurrency, the new wave in treasure hunting.
Yes indeed. This is really good. Here's a guy who knows nothing about treasure hunting, no marine background, but apparently believes he knows all to excel SFRX to the moon. The cryptocurrency angle was pitched in the Bahamas by another group and it didn't fly. Can't find wrecks, so this is the secret weapon?
Quote: This forum is highly entertaining. Glad to be a part of it.
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Actually I am not posting this towards the company but rather the cheerleading crowd that post here. Its actually hilariously entertaining. One of the actual reasons I continue to hang out here.
That is not evidence of a actual shipwreck site. Evidence of items that were associated with a larger break away part of the wreck (flotsam) yes. Incidentally the photos you are referring to are items found by Heartland, not SFRX, with the exception of the deadeye strap which, incidentally, is a upper side/ deck level fitting. Normally one of manny on a sailing vessel.
No cannons, no anchors, no ballast stones, no lower hull structure timbers, no olive jars or shards (which are immediate tell tale signs of a Spanish Colonial shipwreck by the hundreds, large cross section of artifacts, large quantities of gold and silver bullion and coins, etc., etc. No such evidence has been produced, yet you push the Emperor's New Clothes routine.
Quote: I'd say 75/751 days have been spent actively diving, during season, with cooperating weather, with cooperating visibility. This is an obvious statement that some who don't dive may not have known.
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Point missed completely. This company CEO said they were on the wreck. Seven hundred some days and can't produce evidence of such. What is this a joke?
Quote: I am good with weeks or months
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And decades? I admire your commitment.
Quote: You don't proclaim you're on a wreck......UNLESS
you're on a wreck
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Its long since come to the point of being ridiculous. Few posting here even know what search and diving recovery on a Spanish Colonial period shipwreck is even all about but yet try to comment with some sort of authority. When one has done magnetometer surveys of significant area as they proclaim to have done and have but one iron cannon (cannons represent large magnetic targets) to show for it, that tells a whole lot. Incidentally, a cannon they didn't even find.
Quote: Maybe you have some experience doing this... searching, but not finding?
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I've had allot of experience "doing this" having been on a number of expeditions in Florida, Bahamas and Caribbean. Yes, and we "found" treasure and artifacts. Something this outfit can't say. Who's this Kyle anyway? He's a nobody in the world of marine treasure hunting. More specifically, treasure finding.
They just couldn't find the shipwreck that isn't there.
Quote: What is the status of the ship wreck recovery?
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There "ain't" no shipwreck recovery. Read the story the Emperors New Clothing.
Quote: But are they "creditable"?
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Why don't you be the judge of that. If they were the ones that did the survey for SFRX, they can't be that credible if they weren't able to find the shipwreck you people insist is there. The emperors new clothes. Good story.
QUOTE: Feeling like we are getting closer by the day.
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I think we cal all agree on that statement. Closer to a SEC shutdown and hopefully a jail sentence for the rat that titles himself CEO of this scam company.
Quote: Back to the emperors clothes story?
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Pardon me. Its "The Emperors New Clothes". Quickly reading the story, there are some real similarities.
Quote: Cooper found treasure looking out the space ship window.
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You are obviously not aware that the Cooper's Treasure program is a fraud. In two seasons they have found no shipwrecks found from space by Cooper nor any treasure whatsoever. I know that they have desperately been visiting already known sites being shown to them (behind the scenes) as well as doing fast hit/miss surveys hoping to find sites to fill in the program. So tell me, SFRX has evolved into what? Back to the emperors clothes story?
The word "does" was definitely meant to be "doesn't"
Good "credit" does mean they know how to find historic shipwrecks. As you people believe your "on the wreck", but there apparently is no wreck, these people weren't too good were they?
They're creditable for what they do in general oceanographic and certain survey work, yes. So that, as I said, doesn't mean they have the expertise in doing surveys for weak magnetic target historic shipwrecks and scatter trails. If you think they're that good then it seems they obviously didn't find your "we're on the wreck" site but there's nothing there.
Yes, I know the company and they're creditable but I question how much they know about magnetometer surveys looking for historic shipwrecks and or following their trails. That would also include concern for their interpretation of associated magnetic anomalies encountered. The people that I mentioned in my previous post really know what its all about.
Quote: The magnetometer (Geometrics 882 with altimeter) and precision GPS will plot target positions within 2.2 feet and will enhance our knowledge of the area as well as decrease the dive time needed to locate anomalies.
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I find this particularly interesting in so much that it Was Burt Webber, Jr. who developed what became the Geometrics 882 altimeter system. That is confirmed in a Geometrics Letter of Recommendation written to Webber on July 7, 2008 (of which I have a copy of). Webber has been and continues to be a long standing independent consultant to Geometrics and contributed a lot to the early design of the G-882 Cesium magnetometer. The point or question is why didn't this CEO have the foresight to hire Webber or Bobby Pritchett of Global Marine or independent Mike Perna, all of who are experienced magnetometer survey experts. Ya or na results would have been in a very long time ago. Of course, this CEO is a treasure hunting expert and sure does know how to pick them.
Through = throw
Quote: Couldn't be more out of touch with reality of what's going on.
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So you're finally admitting it?
For me its quite easy to come to an opinion on this company as I've been watching it for ten years. My opinions are based on the fact that I've had a given amount of experience in treasure hunting and treasure finding. I've also had opportunity to talk with people who have worked with this outfit. This has been the longest running "non-productive" treasure hunting marathon probably in the history of the industry. That said, I hope this God given secret weapon changes something to the positive as its truly needed.
Quote: Aka: secret weapon??
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Ah, so they are going into the lobster fishing business?
Prefer not to. Who is he that I should be concerned? He's an unknown in the treasure hunting field.
I go on facts but its obvious that some people don't.
Golly gee. I'm impressed. Funny there's nothing on the company Facebook site but you talked to the penny stock CEO and got the inside scoop, right?
Sounds like desperation.
Quote: We believe SFRX is on the wreck, you do not.
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Whats the evidence? There is none. Wondering how long this Emperor's Clothes game will continue? Incidentally, there are others in the industry just smile about it, having the same opinion. Each to his own.
Better you review your history of the Atocha discovery ordeal. The bronze cannons were laying openly exposed on the sea floor as was the mother load in 55 feet of water. Limited visibility for professional divers is a handicap but that's what sophisticated u/w metal detectors and magnetometers are all about. When you spend the time SFRX has covering the area they have and all you can come up with are a bunch of iron spikes, likely "there ain't no shipwreck there. The excuses here abound.