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MonsterSilk(TM) Featured in Textile World Edition to be Distributed to All Innovation Forum 2014 Attendees
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Hoping this is true. Can't imagine handing out samples of a product you don't have sufficient quantities to sell. Could be a good sign.
Great find. Hopefully this will help put the finger in the dike for a bit.
Unless I missed it, there doesn't appear to be much we didn't already know. However, it's publicity and it's nice to see. At least we know the lights are still on at Kraig Labs!
Hope to read much more very soon.
IMHO either he is very close to Monstersilk Tonnage, is in the process of a Deal, or has failed completely.
That's a pretty bold statement. You must have insider info to be so specific where this stock is headed.
I thought he was on vacation!?
Your comparison of publishing in PLOS vs PNAS was charitable to PLOS.
I did some research last night and found out that it's (PLOS) barely above posting it on your own blog.
A professor buddy of mine called publishing in PLOS "career suicide" for anyone tenured. He said it has its place and you can get away with it when you're younger but when you need to be taken seriously, publishing in PLOS will do you no favors.
Anyway, this is good to know. Sure casts doubt over the Japanese claimants to GM silkworms.
Like jetow said, a PR would be nice.
The townsfolk have their torches and pitchforks and are gathering in the village square. Kim better say something meaningful soon or this thing will free fall.
By meaningful, I mean some unambiguous facts. Something that doesn't require my decoder ring to decipher - a real PR that doesn't read like a horoscope.
Well so much for that. So we are back to Kim missing his own deadline without explaining himself.
I liked my idea better.
Don't know why caseypo post would be rejected. Anyhow, here was my reply:
I think you're correct about his last PR being an explanation of why he missed the mid year deadline.
I have no problem with that admission as long as it's fixed now and we're back on track.
I always thought it was a stretch that MS wasn't included in that PR. All Ben ever said to any inquiries that I saw was "don't think so".
Why post anything at all about the issue if MS WASN'T included. Nobody is waiting/expecting news about other fibers so why PR about the other fiber?
Looks like we just keep waiting on Kim to get the fiber consistency to fill production levels.
These gloves are already on the market so they can't contain MS or we would have heard about it (I would hope).
But it's good to know that Warwick is heavily into expanding their glove biz since we know MS gloves have been made. Hopefully the expansion is because they KNOW these gloves will be big sellers.
Not that much to get excited about but when you're starved for some confirmation that you made a good investment, the tiniest bit of positive news that MAY have something to do with it is refreshing.
May 1st, 2014 article about Warwick Mills R&D - specifically about Turtleskin gloves
http://www.ishn.com/articles/98464-supplier-profile-warwick-mills-revs-up-rd-innovations
Ouch. Your cost basis is roughly 14.5 cents?
That's brutal. Well, I think/hope you'll be able to break even at least.
I'm worried about the lack of progress myself. Especially with the news out of Japan yesterday. Although the Japan news makes me a bit more comfortable with Kim's silence. With so many biting at your heels, I'd keep my mouth shut too. Then again, you're right- I'll join you in calling myself an idiot if this goes down in flames because there is certainly enough evidence to run for our lives and we aren't. I'm still gambling that Kim is a stand up guy and really is on the verge of a "that huge PR" everyone is waiting for.
I think that Warwick Mills, ND, & UW are reliable witnesses to the sound science so I'm not worried about an outright scam. But I do worry about getting to market early so that Kraig isn't a "me too".
This could be a good thing. I hope it lights a fire under someone's ass!
"Kuwana said no other parties in the world have succeeded in developing a silkworm capable of spinning spider silk from any commonly used silkworm species."
This Japanese company hasn't heard of Kraig labs? I find that extremely hard to believe.
http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2014082800353
"The institute is making preparations for a trial to culture transgenic silkworms at silkworm farms. It is considering collaborations with companies."
They appear to be a few years behind.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/08/28/national/science-health/transgenic-silkworm-spins-strong-spider-threads-mass-produced/
I can't believe we all fell for it. It's crystal clear when you spell it out for us.
When you contact the SEC, you should record the conversation as you lay out all the facts and post the recording here. We would all LOVE to hear THAT conversation!
Excellent detective work Watson!
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
It WOULD be cool if KBLB could follow in CYNK's footsteps! (Except for that LAST step- where CYNK was exposed as a classic pump and dump and people lost billions- I could do without THAT part)
Sounds great. Thanks for taking the time to post. IMHO, that's the most helpful post in weeks.
"No PR's this week."
I've been wondering when you were going to chime in. You seem to have a connection or two in New Ipswich- any rumors (or speculation) you can share regarding production capacity?
Japanese article published today:
http://fm7.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/08/24/184817
2014 - 08 - 24
Where win of the fierce battle of artificial spider silk commercialization or country
Science
Earlier article about the commercialization of artificial spider silk Since writing, trends in the industry are worried. If you look at the national news, I feel only Spiber's Yamagata prefecture departure is as lacking a checkmate to market though, but it seems that in the midst of fierce international competition in practice.
Spider Silk Poised For Commercial Entry (Chemical & Engineering News, 2014)
Article summarizes the current situation towards mass production of artificial spider silk to the news of the American Chemical Society in March of this year had been posted. Time is It took, but I wrote about the global trend of artificial spider silk mass production of current based on this article.
The history of artificial spider silk of
To mass production artificially "spider silk fiber of dreams stronger than Kevlar yarn is natural decomposition" this, 100 years was also a dream that mankind embrace from before. However, the difference aquaculture is easy silkworm, temper aquaculture can not be rough spider. Realizing the supply of spider silk stable enough to use in industrial products was difficult.
Spider silk artificial synthesis that in recent years, using biotechnology began been actively conducted. Since the expression and purification of spider silk protein using E. coli is relatively easy, so far has been to challenge the mass production of spider silk is also a number of companies. But commercialization of spider silk is difficult still, is a comprehensive chemical manufacturer of the world's largest BASF is also a science manufacturer in the world three DuPont also, I quickly withdrew from the commercialization business of artificial spider silk.
But all companies does not mean giving up the commercialization of artificial spider silk. Venture some companies are much closer to commercialization of artificial spider silk.
Battle of venture companies for the artificial reduction of spider silk
Keio departure Spiber and reportedly venture company headquartered in Tsuruoka, Yamagata Prefecture that is, and is planning to mass production technology of monthly 1t is established to 27 during fiscal Heisei, to run in the 2016 year the factory weaving, has received much attention * 1 .
Yamagata venture won a massive budget of the country Spiber Inc.
To boost this, Spiber It has been adopted in (ImPACT) innovative research and development program of the Cabinet Office in June of this year, artificial spider silk mass production plan is, that the grant of several billion yen arrives We decided * 2 . It is the thing that you want done a superb commercialization Riding on this momentum.
Study of artificial spider silk mass production will still continue to be in other countries. From Germany to AMSilk companies say has a library expressing spider silk protein of 20 species, I have already sold the cosmetics and shampoo of spider silk protein-filled. The shampoo is so is suitable for the repair of damaged hair cosmetics, including the spider silk protein, and also to smooth your skin. The company is trying to apply to the wound treatment spray the spider silk protein further, I will be reminded to the possibility of spider silk protein is not the only hat.
Was commercialized as a cosmetic spider silk protein AMSilk (Germany)
AMSilk We pay attention to the artificial spider silk. Confidence can ask from the words "We we. Could be produced. That 0.5t synthetic already be ordered artificial spider silk of 1t if" and the company also. It is said the company also also collected 16 million yen grant, to start a large-scale production in 2015, that it become a powerful rival of Spiber is expected.
Also, is one of the rivals that are trying to make artificial spider silk Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (KAIST) be expressed spider silk protein in E. coli. KAIST successfully created high molecular weight spider silk protein with increased content of glycine artificially, we have reported as paper ( PNAS, 2010 ). I had a comment to say you want to mass production in partnership with companies of this technology, but I do not know trends thereafter. Large-scale production is they do not say it is progressing confidentially Possibly.
Spiders can not be farmed, as described above, but the farming of silkworms is easy. The gene manipulation techniques of silkworm has been established, if it is possible to make synthetic spider silk protein in silkworm well, you can make a monster silk with enhanced strength. Was successful in the United States this is a Kraig Biocraft Laboratories is.
Has succeeded in doubling of production volume hybrid spider silk yarn and silk thread Kraig Labs (USA) * 3
The company in July 2014 Monster Silk® patented * 4 It has announced that were able to, to improve the quality of hybrid silk further * 5 .
Venture companies in the United States Utah departure, which was founded in 2012 Araknitek we are trying to make the spider silk protein as well as silkworms and E. coli, using alfalfa and goat also (plant). Production of goat's milk containing spider silk protein is also as would have been limited to a relatively small amount is also a big hurdle, there is the practical use of alfalfa to say that.
We aim to mass production of artificial spider silk by using a variety of biological Araknitek (USA)
The company says that the use of goat's milk to medical products for a small amount for it also, is promoting the construction of facilities with for E. coli fermentation tank of 2,500 liters. But press release for the mass production does not come out almost, it might be still far to realization.
At the end
And as that you do not forget, you will be given artificial spider silk of any company or is superior to most industrial products. The good was the product of artificial spider silk for the first time in the other, but it does not talk to it if it has inferior than the existing material. Will there is a possibility that those of hybrid spider silk yarn and is easier to use than artificial spider silk made from 100% spider silk protein.
Any company listed here also have the competence of only the mass production of artificial spider silk. Not likely to keep an eye still from global trends surrounding the artificial spider silk.
Like you, I was ready to throw in the towel til I heard that Susie was still alive. You should contact that poster for a pep talk.
By the way, I think I know you. Is this Harvey Dent?
See if you can find out if Kim is still alive too!
Thanks. I knew someone had to have a subscription. Unfortunately, it doesn't contain any new revelation. Worth a shot. Thanks again.
Anyone have a login for the Nashua telegraph? I found article about silk that I'd like to read but can't. I found it when searching for news on Warwick Mills. Which should mean that Warwick is mentioned in this two day old article.
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/neighbors/1044117-478/silk-industry-once-thrived-in-nh.html
Howland's "years" comment was referring to MS being used in technical textiles. The more "mundane" applications will be (should be) much quicker.
Jetow's point is that Kim has missed his self-imposed deadline of mid 2014 without an explanation.
Howland's "years" comment has nothing to do with a metric ton shipment to WM mid 2014.
Thanks. I don't think this is any big deal then.
Where'd the idea that Kim isn't answering the phone or responding to emails originate?
Did one person say this or are there dozens of people who can't get through?
If it's one guy, well okay, maybe he was being a huge pest. We all have people who bother us so often that we blow them off.
It's a huge problem if suddenly no one gets through. Hopefully Kim has others responding/speaking for him. I've never attempted to call a CEO directly but I have called investor relations departments.
"The stockholders didn't say we could have monster silk as early as January but a better estimate would be mid year. I didn't set those expectations .... Kim did."
You're 100% correct. However, I'm hoping it is coming by month's end at the latest. I can't imagine that September is considered mid-year in anyone's mind. The only reason I have to hope that it's still on target for August is that there has been no indication of delay (other than silence).
I think that if Kim had come out in May or June and said there were unforeseen delays that might move the metric ton target back a quarter (or more), there would be less uncertainty and fewer shareholders would be doubting Kim.
His current silent treatment is making imaginations run wild when there is no need to create that kind of volatility (especially with a penny stock).
This silence is far worse than admission of a delay.
The "arrow" comment was in the wired.com article. Last sentence.
http://www.wired.com/2014/07/kraig-spider-silk-production/
German article dated august 3rd.
Kraig mentioned.
Translation below
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/spinnenseide-wunderfaeden-vom-achtbeiner-1.2073243
A silk armor for soldiers or medical implants: spider silk seems researchers as nearly perfect material to make such inventions possible. If only the production would not be so terribly complicated.
By Andrea Hoferichter
Spider polarize. For some, they are Ekeltiere, for others a fascinating. Some see them as a deity, and in some places the eight-legged friends are popular as a delicacy. Fritz Vollrath of the UK's University of Oxford, she finds attractive in its own way. He is interested in the unique material, produced from spinning their webs. "Spider silk is extremely lightweight, thinner than a hair, stronger than steel and more elastic than rubber. Moreover, it is biocompatible and biodegradable," says the scientist. With an evolutionary development of more than 350 million years ago the protein strands to the most most advanced twisting count at all. This also affects the energy consumption: A spider has only one thousandth of the energy that is necessary for the production of a comparable plastic thread.
For many years, the extraordinary properties of spider silk capture the imagination of scientists, engineers and companies . Gradually, the visions sort in feasible and hopeless. In the discussion were the most diverse applications: from bulletproof silk underwear for soldiers biodegradable fishing nets and ropes à la Spiderman to medical implants. The threads do not need to stick so as the networks that have torn the forest walk. The liability is a question of the protein mixture. For researchers from the Medical University of Hanover, however, is just sticking an incentive. You try as you might have along the sticky silk grow new neural pathways.
Only recently reported Vollrath's Oxford team in the journal Advanced Materials , spider silk could also help new sensors, for example for hearing aids to develop. Researchers have found that the threads of a spider's web vibrate in many different frequencies as different highly strained strings of a guitar. At the vibrations feel the spider, where and what prey depends. In a hearing aid, the threads might help to forward the received and amplified sounds from the environment which can not possibly towards eardrum.
Microbes, plants, caterpillars and even goats to help create spiders proteins
The fact that the use of the fabulous material yet succeeded no breakthrough has mainly one reason: The silk can be produced only with difficulty. Spiders themselves are not suitable for production, because masses held in a confined space, they would be eating each other. Therefore, researchers are trying microbes to move plants, caterpillars and even goats using genetic engineering methods for spiders protein production. Large chemical companies such as BASF and Dupont have a report in the magazine Chemical and Engineering News , according to their production trials, although now discontinued because it was not fast enough. But smaller companies are optimistic about the future and even present the first products.
The University of Munich in Planegg for example, the start-up company AMSilk sold recently a skin cream. Although it does not contain any threads, but after spider silk proteins that are produced by genetically engineered gut bacteria. "The proteins are a good water tank and replace fats that are normally included in creams," says company founder Thomas Scheibel, who now works at the University of Bayreuth. They also form a film on the skin, on the can settle no bacteria or fungi. This makes them interesting for people with eczema.
They resist moisture and coldness, they are hard to break: threads of spider silk are a fascination for researchers and entrepreneurs. (Photo: Daniel Mihailescu / AFP )
AMSilk and the University of Bayreuth in addition working on with silk proteins coated, extremely well tolerated breast implants. "Preclinical studies have been very successful," says Scheibel. The results of the researchers in the journal at the beginning of Advanced Functional Materials published. Then the smooth silk layer can prevent painful scarring around the implant. Inflammation and rejection reactions were less frequent than in uncoated implants. The wound-healing effect of spider silk has been known since ancient times. Aristotle, for example, is said to have nursed rabbit hair bleeding with a mixture of cobwebs, incense, aloe vera, egg whites and a pinch.
Spiderman doing it wrong: The thread must be pulled, not pushed
Meanwhile, the Bavarian young entrepreneurs have more than 40 different protein variants in store and master claims to the fine art of spinning fibers from it. Ten years it took us in hand and some copied from the biological model. "Spiders keep the silk proteins in their silk gland in an aqueous solution and then convert them to fractions of a second in a fiber around," says the biochemist. The Spider's trick succeed with a specific salt addition and at a slightly acidic pH. The mechanics during spinning has to be right. The thread must be pulled and not simply pushed out. " Spiderman makes it just wrong, "he says. The new artificial silk thread will now be just as durable as the original. A first fabric from the spin silken threads will AMSilk later than the end of the present year. The list of interested companies is long.
The American company Kraig from Michigan on the other hand wants to make a spinning thread-like product reprogrammed silkworms money. A first glove was presented in mid-June. The pilot phase of silk production was completed successfully explains the company, now it was necessary to ramp up production to industrial quantities. And at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, United States, researchers are testing to Randy Lewis as well as bacteria and caterpillars also genetically engineered alfalfa as a silk producer, a crop which is typically grown as cattle feed. Also, they want to reap the silk proteins from the milk of goats. However, only the bacteria from caterpillars are ripe for a first pilot plant. "For all other method is currently still no breakthrough in sight," Lewis admits.
The transgenic goats are already known rather as an example of failures in terms of artificial silk production. The Canadian biotechnology company Nexia, the presented method over ten years ago for the first time, igniting a discussion of ethics is already gone bust. And also one of those days were promised Products, a special light version of a bulletproof vest, has now turned out to be a failure. Fritz Vollrath explains why: "So a vest would be much too elastic, you would stop the ball, but only if it is already through the body.."
I really hope Ben is right.
But it has to be admitted that mojo was right when he said that Kim
"...generally says nothing and when he does its usually misleading or open to multiple interpretations which he will not clarify..."
I'm awfully sick and tired of reaching for my Little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring every time that a PR comes out.
"All soldiers asked, who have recently returned from Afghanistan, confirmed that if the Blast Boxers had been available to them, they would have all worn them despite the slight increase of added burden."
Good to know that the soldiers will still buy them even if there is no government contract.
http://www.tactical-life.com/magazines/guns-and-weapons/bcb-blast-boxers/?scrape=true
Looks like even if MS is just better than average silk, the military would still want it. No wonder why Kim is going for underwear. Easy sale if MS is that good. The military already buys it. Prove that it can be mass produced and the military will be all over this.
Don't know if this video has been posted before or not. It's worth a look. Military bulletproof silk underwear.
Yes exactly. Silly me. I was talking about facts that WOULDN'T move the share price.
Here's some insight into what the competition has to go through to chemically manufacture spider silk. The video is 40 minutes but you'll see why Kraig's method is the more cost effective.
Do you realize you just made the same point I've been trying to make?
"But until those numbers blow away Wallstreet, then you are talking about small hedge funds and retail calling the shots."
Facts blow away Wall Street. We want facts.
Your Jedi mind tricks will not work on me boy.
[..."for Kim states in a 1/31/12 article:"
Quote:
"We have more projects than we could fulfill in a lifetime,” Thompson said.]
The problem is that the market doesn't consider Kim 1:31:12 to be scripture. The market is waiting for facts. There's only so long you can get away with, "That's classified. I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you."
And I WOULD go so far as to say the market doesn't care AND I have empirical evidence to back me up. Trading volume shows just how much the market cares or doesn't. The market has yawned at everything Kraig has had to say for quite some time now. There are fewer shares traded daily than I own. This is the first stock I've ever owned whose daily volume was lower than I own. I'm not rich. If I own more shares than the average daily volume traded then there aren't too many people out there trading this company. Not saying that's a bad thing, just saying that to illustrate my point that the market is ignoring Kraig Biocraft.
I AM giving Kim the time. That's why I'm still here. My patience isn't wearing thin yet but it's obvious that the market's has.
Correct. And they will HAVE TO answer those questions. That was what I was getting at with my original post. WHEN can they answer those questions unambiguously and shout the answers from the rooftops?
What I mean is, when will Kraig actively advertise. e.g. Attend trade shows, advertise in trade magazines, spend money telling the world EXACTLY their production capacity... Tell the world EXACTLY how strong the fiber is...
They're going to have to tell people these things if they want credibility/customers (and more shareholders)
My questions is NOT "when will the pps increase"? I already know the answer to that question. My question is, what has to happen before PRs change from "we doubled production from you know not what to you know not what"? We can only take it on faith that it went from a pretty decent number (we hope) to TWICE that amount. Okay, we have a need for secrecy- we get that. But obviously this horse isn't going to run til there's some meat disclosed. We've had some good PRs and some great articles and the market doesn't care.