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LOL TOO FUNNY!
Good 1!
LIBERTY HEALTH SCIENCE ON FOX NEWS THIS MORNING
GO LHSIF
Takes money to make money and we have spent ALLOT of money.
therefore, We should make ALLOT of money???
They will be back, just before NB gets ready to file.....
Looking in the same direction.
One thing about money, it is ALWAYS replaceable...
Don't play the game, if you can't afford to lose........
Reality of Life in the OTC!
LOL ME TO have a bid in for 1mill @ .0018
Bring it on!!
It appears that Max hired this "new" legal team, just about the time he started this Smarthing venture...
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=139430118
https://www.bizapedia.com/people/max-li.html
THE FRIDAY THE 13TH CONVERTIBLE NOTE MASSACRE
April 12, 2018
HEY CONVERTIBLE NOTE HOLDERS – LET’S MAKE A DEAL!
Turns out that Friday the 13th is also unlucky for toxic convertible note-holders! I have been warning the toxic convertible note industry that there was going to be a reckoning with regard to how they lend money to microcap OTC Markets companies, and now, it seems that the chickens are coming home to roost. Several months ago COR Clearing decided to make it near impossible to clear any stock derived through convertible notes coming from OTC Market issuers. That decision was based largely on several issues, they key being that a convertible note is not a security that would allow an opinion to clear stock under a Rule 144 exemption. I won’t get into the legalities of this here other than to say to look up both the New Earthshell v. Jakoobit case in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, as well as the Reves v Ernst & Young US Supreme Court case. In the end, COR Clearing made a good decision – but not good for toxic convertible note holders. In fact, I had a well-known lenders counsel from Florida send me an article he wrote that tried to counter the courts decisions – that was a massive FAIL! Well, as of Friday, April 13, 2018, one of the last major clearing houses, ALPINE, is stopping processing stock from convertible notes from issuers trading sub-penny (most are sub-penny after being pummeled by toxic convertible notes). Turns out that Friday the 13th is also unlucky for note-holders! Now-what note-holders? Your sometimes arrogant and greedy attitudes in dealing with small undercapitalized issuers needs to change and it needs to change quickly if you are going to save all that money on the street - instead of being worth 5 times that amount, being worth less than half of its principle value and in some instance, worth nothing.
Here’s how I see it – The options are limited:
Sell the note to a third party– Good luck with that. That was a viable alternative when the third party could easily benefit from tacking provisions from the date of the original transaction, but now the challenge is finding a clearinghouse, on shore, that would clear that stock. If you think someone will buy the note just to collect the principle and stated interest, think again. Not likely as most of your borrowers don’t have sufficient assets to take should your successor ever get a judgment. The only way to get rid of that note now is to sell it at a substantial discount to its face value, and again, good luck with that, you will be throwing money away if your lucky to find someone stupid enough to buy it.
Wait for Maturity then Get a Judgment– Good luck with that also. Most of the issuers have limited assets and limited revenues and it’s highly unlikely that you would ever collect. Plus, you will incur legal fees to commence, litigate, adjudicate, secure and collect on a judgment (if you can). On a note under $50,000.00, it’s just not worth it. That would just be throwing good money after bad. Almost every toxic note lender I come across has not been able to collect on judgments they obtain in either state or federal court relying instead on the tactic that once they get a judgment the issuer will fold and settle and fork over cash and/or free trading stock. In some cases litigation forces the companies out of business. They will probably just start all over again without you.
A 3(a)(10) Court Approved Settlement– Possibly, but the courts are starting to catch on to this end-around and have been denying approving such settlements. Also, the costs and documentation to get a 3(a)(10) settlement is almost prohibitive, but it is an option provided your issuer agrees to it. Based on the first two options the issuers may hurt their chances of doing a real deal that could benefit both sides, if they agreed to a 3(a)(10) settlement too early.
Give up and let the Loan Sit- Always an option. Many issuers experience a toxic note-holder who will sit on its' hands and wait it out, sometimes for years, hoping the company’s stock price improves or the issuer somehow is able to bring its' financial reporting requirements current, or better yet, some magical mystery investor that will hand over cash to pay off the notes. There are only a handful of lenders, mostly out of New York, Chicago and Massachusetts that will try on litigation to force you to settle or come up with money to pay them off. Usually, they want to force issuance of shares or they want a new deal for more shares – either way, its back to the prior discussed problems of clearing the stock. They may even try suing the CEO personally under some BS fraud claim and as we know now under the Jakoobit case, a convertible note may not be a security and if it’s not a security, there can be no securities fraud claims. Then its simple state based fraud claim and in most states, if there is a breach of contract claim, the fraud claim against the CEO personally usually fails.
LETS MAKE A DEAL!
I have seen how entrenched these toxic note-holders are in how they have previously approached some of my clients. The funny thing is that every time we contest litigation based on certain usury statutes under state law, they jump up and down claiming that the notes are investments instead of loans. Well, ALL of the courts are now finding that these transactions all start out as loans. But the point here is that they “claim” they are investments even though the investment decision is made when they convert months after the original loan is made. So if they are an “investor” from the beginning, that means by definition they are taking a “risk” in the company’s success – yea, right. We all know the true and sole motivation of providing these types of loans and it certainly is NOT based on the success of the issuer but rather, on trading price and volume of the issuers public stock.
The cold hard reality is that from an economic position, the note-holders have just lost a tremendous amount of leverage and some of you CEO’s whose company stocks have been crippled by these transactions and those who have been tortured by message board posters would instinctively want to take revenge and put the screws to them. BUT WAIT! There is a solution that makes sense that is legal and puts both the issuer and the lender on better footing. The plan for a new class of convertible preferred equity designed solely to allow the convertible note holder to actually use the booked liability to really “invest”, short term, into the company. My group has been using this method of debt remediation rather successfully with no issues other than some lender pushback. Now with APLINE’s Friday the 13th massacre, I think that will change as well. The lender eventually gets what it wants out of the deal; the issuer gets the liabilities removed from its balance sheet allowing them to go out and raise more traditional capital; the pressure on the stock is alleviated, no more lawsuits, no more angst, its really a win-win for both sides. Less booked liabilities, more capital is available improving the company’s financial outlook, and in 6 or 12 months, the former lender, and now shareholder, can convert into common with no clearing issues.
In discussing Apline’s newest position with one of my clients CEO’s, Bob Silzer of DSG Global, Inc., a great company that is revolutionizing the golf information industry, we agreed that most OTC Markets companies should consider a fair and reasonable restructuring that can clean up their books, eliminate booked liabilities yet provide a similar return to their note-holders under a fair program where both sides win. It’s very hard to try to convince someone that their business model needs to change, but if change provides you with a similar or same return, then why all the pushback? The days of lenders forcing their position seem to be quickly coming to an end because the major clearing houses will not clear stock from convertible notes and the sooner these lenders realize that convertible preferred stock arrangement can allow them to realize similar returns while helping the companies they “invest” in to focus on their business to make it more successful can benefit everyone including its shareholders.
It could very well be that the current landscape for convertible notes is changing and I can only suggest that the lenders quickly, post-haste, contact their issuers now to work out a deal in which everyone wins. I also encourage the issuers, no matter how mad you are at the note-holders, to be receptive and deal with them fairly and provide them with a real investment structure to help them realize a return on the monies loaned to your company. At the end of the day its not only about the deal you make, but rather, being part of the solution that is way more rewarding than being the actual problem.
Mark R. Basile, Esq. is a nationally known corporate restructuring and workout attorney and is a member of The Basile Law Firm P.C. The Firm represents numerous OTC and Pink Sheet companies in litigation and corporate restructurings. www.thebasilelawfirm.com. Mr. Basile is also director of OTCWORKOUTS LLC www.otcworkouts.com
Agree 100%
FYI
I own 6milly shares...
WHY DELETE THE MESSAGE?
Great place to stash cash for the scammers of the OTC.....
Probably checking on some offshore accounts for the next pump...
Yep, THEY found a sunken ship with ! billion in gold.
THE NEXT PUMP!!!
Same here......SCAMMERS
Same here.
Hanging in there......It's only money.....
1 thing about MONEY, it is ALLWAYS replaceable.
All those MORONS had there hands in the cookie jar with the CG deal... They pumped to the very last second, The wrecked the train.....
THEY ALL cashed in and pocketed some really good $$$$
Stayed silent and think us longers forgot about that BS...
Been in this since JUNE and now convinced!
There is ALLOT of shady shit with these MORONS.
VERY SNEAKY they are. HOPEFULLY? It will pay off? soon?
JUST NEVER know with the OTC..... Or these MORONS!!!
One would think with all this $$ being paid out to NB?
Max Li would OPT for MAXIMUM exposer in this show? What better than to be on the front page? After all, it's NOT like they cannot afford it.
Probably even get some private investor interest?
IMO.
Here ya go...
https://www.linkedin.com/in/salrincione/
Agree...
Maybe? A "little" connection to Northbridge?$$
They are definitely the ones making $$$ here....
Owning 1.5mil shares of this POS. and NOT a DAY TRADER...
Believing in the long term.
TRUE DD is the name of the game and the Franky CLAN has done NOTHING BUT HIDE from US investors.
True communication is what it takes to make something big and the CEO is the key. Franky is not a very good CEO!
The Address "commercial zone" in Doral has NO company mining there. It did, but the company was asked to leave.
Personally calling the lease broker. See my post for that conversation (no need to post it again).
The other address on this document is a RESIDENSE in a residential area.
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/SANP/profile
3105 NW 107th Ave. Suite 400
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33172
SUITE 400 LOL!! TOO FUNNY. Must be the master bedroom?
No plans on selling any time soon, HOWEVER the Track record here is going down hill and not up...
The HOPE was, that, Lin Yong would of made things move?
SEEMS just another Frany tactic?
BTW These locations are both 1hr from me and I had planned on driving there, until my phone call. If memory serves me correct? A investor did go to the Doral location and posted there findings on this forum.
Not losing my time with Franky any longer as it seems, he is a little SHyyyAAADDY???
GLTUA!?
Time will tell if Max Li is TRULY trying to bring this company to bloom.
You would think STOPPING this kind of financing would ONLY help??
ALL this dilution will bring a RS in the future.....
Get em when there cheep.
Come on MAX! Take there hands OUT of the cookie jar and make YOUR COMPANY fly....
With this product?
Should not be to hard to find investors with extra $$$$$ that would love to jump on. PRIVATE INVESTORS!!!!
""If you got it. FLAUNT IT""
"SKIQ"
HERE is a IDEA? POST your next dept on IHUB and ask some "PRIVATE" investors to buy into the company? Would rather do that, then have it diluted to .0001
COME ON MAX.. We believe in your product.
OH YES that ADDRESS.. Here is your info on that...
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=137877020
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/3105-NW-107th-Ave-Doral-FL/5401188/
http://images4.loopnet.com/d2/iQXDhR6P0SbfpfZpyN-GAHFUvjvAYhNug07UVC59NP4/document.pdf
Call for yourself.
THE ADDRESS IS A HOUSE.....
3105 NW 107th Ave. Suite 400
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33172
SO TRUE!!!
SCOTTRADE also has the AT&T PR and the paten PR in there system under "NEWS" on the ticker symbol....
This company is going to be BIG!!!!!
THEY DESERVE ALL THE ASS RIDING, AFTER THE LAST TRAIN WRECK.....
LIKE WE FORGOT ABOUT THAT "SEE YA" PICTURE!!
Definitely a pattern of progress. Showing the company is real and has the MOTIVATION to move in the forward direction and taking the correct steps to cover there product.
WHILE! Showing the investors THEY ARE SERIUOS!!
YEP! This would be considered VERY BIG NEWS for us longs...
SRMX!!!!
GET EM WHILE THEY ARE CHEAP!!!!
HERE TODAY>>>>.006>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GONE TOMORROW.
The man is definitely DOING what he says he is going to do...
Wish we could say that for allot of other CEO's.
More confident in this company with the communication that Peabody does...
TWITTER, E-MAILS and PR """ON TIME""" AS STATED
This is all we ask.
2G LOL.....