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You may have known that, but guess what? There are many people here that have no clue that this is exactly what is going to happen when the BEHL merger is complete. Although I will say the only wrong I see in what he said is the share price, no on knows that currently, it would be better stated your equity will remain the same. No need to be sarcastic as there are people here that still believe they will own additional shares in the new company along with their current shares.
No doubt it is one of the factors that prevents people from placing their investment in BEHL, especially reading what the company is providing information wise publicly. They have had to deal with ambiguity and vagueness with their PR’s and now it appears that maybe there was some truth to questioning of the missing information. The only thing I can say is that BEHL has made real strides in clarifying their mission objectives and strategies, but they continue to fail in providing critical information about their contracts specifically the costs or revenue of each of those contracts. You cannot mention a contract without mention the money tied to it.
I am sure a lot of these contracts are one time deals in order to get things started, for example I am almost positive that the three units being built are promotional deals that are not full price sales in order to get interest going. I am sure there are terms that go along with them for repayment as certain milestones or stages are met. These are the things that should be published as it permits transparency that this company is claiming.
Apparently they have funding for three sites that will be completed by the end of this year. Do you have information supporting otherwise to show that these three separate entities have not contracted with BEHL in building these three different sites? The word “believe” is passive in nature and relates that you are basing this on nothing more than a gut feeling not factual data. I like your responses that are based upon what is factual not the ones that are based upon gut feelings. Gut feelings result in poor performance and or poor decision making. I have at least a document showing my side of the argument that they have three contracts with three sites being built.
I do not think for one moment it was the opera house itself that was investing the money but an actual owner of the opera house sinking his personal funds into this product. Can you show me that the opera house owner does not have such funds in the bank to financially facilitate such an undertaking? That would be supportive to your argument, otherwise I will take a legal binding contract that he will pay for services rendered as the best information currently to make a conclusion.
Like I said I agree with most of what you have said, but your idea that they will resort to dilution is based purely on speculation and not direct information you have about BEHL itself. Everything else you have said is true, the fluffy PRs, the exaggerated posts by others, gifted shares pushing PPS down as people try to get their value before the transition, are all true statements. But you have nothing to support your dilution opinion other than past references from previous companies, which is a fallacy known as “Past Belief” which is a form of common belief. A fallacy is nothing to base a conclusion upon especially one in which you have finances tied to. This is no different than those who solely make stock decisions based upon technical analysis.
Actually you have implied it many times that people investing BEHL are being sheered like that sheep in your signature. Being “skinned alive” is a metaphor for being taken advantage of, in other words scammed. You used the words and stated it clearly “Skinned Alive”, I did not place that in your message, you chose it so live with it.
All sources are not omnipotent to every particular means of production. Do they state that specifically they have weighed in on BEHL’s process and it is clearly years away from obtaining results much like the rest of the industry? This is clearly an assumption on your part that they are in the same boat as everyone else, yet another assumption based upon no supportive evidence to result in a good conclusion.
Seems to me many companies stayed private and obtained funds from many sources in order to survive until they became IPO’s. The process is no different, it is just a different avenue that was taken to get where they wanted to be. Being on Pink Sheets does not automatically sink the boat as the odds are they exact same being private and making it to an IPO. Your correlation is flawed as it shows nothing to support that being listed as a Pink Sheet stock is more likely to tank than being private. Further I wonder are you stating that no company that has been listed on pink Sheets has ever became successful?
What he has said is not a bash, but an opposing perspective that he has on this particular subject. Because you do not agree with it does not make it a bash. Let the emotion of being angry or upset go and look at it from a standpoint of counterpoint to what you have observed. Some things he has said are correct, as long as he stays away from non supported assumptions he makes rather logical points.
Odd thing is, there are people out there that will invest money into a joint business venture or simply request a corporate bond. You fail to understand that an single investor does not have to have immediate returns and can specify the terms of an agreement for years to come. It may be highly risky for someone to do this on an organization that has yet to clearly post sales and revenue, but we all know that has happened in the past with other start up companies. Dismissing that it cannot happen would be setting yourself up for failure, as it is clear that this company does have certain ties with larger organizations that are clearly promoting this as the best answer to sustaining energy and food into the future. I surely do not base any decision making on such a notion as I have stated there is nothing to support it ever happening just as much as you cannot say with absolute conviction anything to the contrary of what is posted by the company currently as far as capitalization and rate of burn.
The PPS declining does not support your claim that this is a scam, that does not lend support to your poor assumption that this company is fleecing investors. It has no actual facts to support your conclusion, it is an assumption based upon an observation of only one factor which has way too many variables to influence it. The fact is the greatest contributor to the PPS problem as it has been stated many times over is that the company has failed in communicating with its current investors and potential investors with clarity on many subjects with past PRs. That can be easily correlated since all recent declines since the 21st of September have happened after the release of each PR. Your assumption however if it were true would result in complete sell off if there were any supporting factors to such an assumption.
Normally I agree with much you have to say but there are two points you make that are irrelevant or inconsistent in showing you are right. First operating capital is known and has been published, they are operating and they have forecasted how long it will last on current burn rates. You or I cannot determine with conviction that it is incorrect or correct. You may throw out the whole more money required now then when they formulated their forecast, the simple response is you cannot deny they can get more capital from new sources. You can argue it all day long but either way your poor assumption in this matter is incorrect because you have nothing currently that supports your conclusion they will run out of money sooner than what they have forecasted.
The second problem is you have no idea if they have finished units, neither do I to support they have finalized units or the only existing unit is the mock up. Either way safety of posting the mock up is far more strategic from a business standpoint as to not allowing potential competitors to gain an upper hand. Once again it is a poor assumption on your part based upon a photograph of a “practice” unit. Nothing to make a solid conclusion on because organization rarely release photos of the finished product before copyright is obtained, and we know they have not been granted as of yet.
Speculation is a direct result of lack of information, thus poor decisions and conclusion are made. The shareholders are making decisions based upon written information that the company published publicly. Therefore it is of no fault of the shareholders to hold to what the PR says above what other shareholders say to the contrary, even if the information they have comes from a reported reputable source within the company it holds absolutely no value since it is word of mouth.
This is logic and cannot be refuted, and is clearly being supported by the continuous discussion every week about this very subject, which has the current shareholders, divided on either side of the discussion.
As a shareholder you should not have to call the CEO for clarification of a printed public statement. Further as shareholders you should not be receiving such vital clarification information from another shareholder, it should be public information that is fairly distributed so all current and potential shareholders know the very same information. Good for you being a proactive shareholder, bad for BEHL chosing to be a reactive response company on a case by case basis for a broad shareholder issue.
This is hilarious really, and further proves the point of many about how BEHL has made a poor decision about choosing to leave the dead body lay and to continue to foul things up. The dead horse has been beaten to death and yet nothing has been done to remove it…. It is obvious that nearly half the shareholders still look at the PR for what it says since it is a public document and has not been rescinded or clarified. The sorry state is that it taints any new potential investors once they research and read that the company has chosen the medium of word of mouth to clarify their poorly worded PR. Not a proactive means of taking care of shareholders, it is a reactive stance that is hurting them in the long run. A proactive approach results in people trusting their money into the hands of a decision maker, a reactive company wastes time and resources performing crisis management. We read it here that they spent hours upon hours on the phone trying to clear this mess up, a waste of resources and precious time, not a good decision from a leadership standpoint.
Well it was a very odd set of trades, you would see:
50000 .042
50000 .0425
100000 .042
100000 .0425
50000 .042
50000 .0425
5000 .042
5000 .0425
All around at 11:20, this happened at least ten times for the difference of value at .0005.
Huge exchange of shares just happened, looks like a swap for .042 to .0425.....at least 10 even trades at that level.
I disagree based upon the fact that success after a reverse split is highly uncommon and is actually rare. AIG has not increased in share price based upon fundamentals, not even technicals, it is purely a speculative trade based upon historic price, as are much of today’s share prices. The common logic is XYZ was worth $XXX per share before the financial crisis and now can be had for dirt cheap, it will return to those levels eventually so buy what you can now. It is a flawed logic, AIG is no longer the same, it sold many of its money making assets to shore itself up. It is a poor example to use as an argument that reverse splits are successful as it has still yet to play out in the long term.
Yeah, the job of every good CEO is to turn away perfectly good money. (SARCASM)This whole premise of weak hands becomes hilarious after awhile listening to some of the logic behind it. At some point you really have to think where do these ideas come from, the shaking of the tree to remove money, and possible future business…….That is not a solid business plan in any text book.
The PPS suffers because there are no fundamentals currently in place, and nothing solid to base future value upon. Each PR contains might, could, should, possibly as terms to describe revenue. Without clarity of the merger no one is going to risk investing their money until the terms and details are fully described. You have only the current shareholders as buyers, they are all about depleted in sustaining the PPS any further as those who are unloading shares at every chance will continue to do so. Gifted shares are being dumped as they are no longer good, and those parties have probably been notified they will receive gifted shares in the new company. They can do so with confidence, because they risked nothing and have everything to gain by doing so.
This PR had nothing for potential investors and really had nothing for us current investors. That contract is so vague it holds absolutely no value to us as investors. Did they sign this contract with this company because of reduced costs in the long run? That would be nice to know, or was it simply because they were they only manufacturer to take on the job of engineering and manufacturing these parts? We need to know how this effects the bottom line here, the only thing we got is that we secured a manufacturer when and if demand for units happens, and that is all. I am wondering did we pay money to secure this contract to keep them on retainer for services? How much did we pay them?
That was not a bid whack, it was someone trying to push the PPS to .052, unfortunately it bit them in the ass since the bid ran up extremely quickly, .0515, 0518, and then a jump to .053, with the out of sequence bid of .052 at the end.
A $35k buy at the end there.......Smeone threw some big money at it for .053 for 665900 shares.
The total share value(equity) that you currently own will be the same afterwards, what you will not know is the individual share value and share count.
Yep, been discussed thoroughly back at the beginning of the week. Once again you are not offering any new perspective on that PR that has not already been discussed in great length.
Here is an idea for you, go back to the day the PR was released and re read all the posts. This has been hashed out a thousand times already. Your perspective offers nothing we already do not know and have not discussed in much extensive conversation here during the actual release date. Otherwise you make it painfully obvious as to why you are discussing this over for the ten thousandth time.
What difference does it make? The share value will be the same, share count only decreases. Yes, it does effect psychology in certain investors, but it is nothing to hinge future value upon since it has no negative effect. In fact it has a positive effect if the O/S is decreased significantly. But as there are no details currently to discuss, it would be a discussion based upon poor assumptions which would result in a poor conclusion or poor decision for that matter.
I will agree to some part of this, you will always have flippers no matter which market you are in, even in the blue chips. They are necessary as they continue to keep the stock moving. But the whole weak hands thing and or novice investors are a complete generalization. We know long term investors even those holding large positions were selling the past few days, based upon what we can all assume what ever we want. One such person posted his personal experience as to why he sold his. Similar cases exist throughout, many may have taken some profits on these short bursts. We can guess all day long and yes some may actually be those who do not have the stomach for loss as they bought into what they felt was a sure thing. Either way this was a broad sell off so it was clear it was much more than just weak hands and flippers.
As for shorts, that is purely speculative in nature also, there is not enough room for a good short on this stock. When you saw the run to .15 it made this completely possible, even while in the .08 - .07 you still had room to short, but this narrow trading range makes it difficult even for the flippers let alone shorts.
Exactly, I am not worried about myself nor am I worried about those who have purchased up until the past couple of days. I am worried about the potnetial investors who are not getting clear and precise guidance to justify their purchase of this stock.
Incorrect, they need to fix the problem which the previous PR caused, their answer is to simply do this by word of mouth is ridiculous. No company sits on a mess like this without publicly clarifying and or correcting their blunder in hopes it will just straighten itself out, especially when you are in hopes of obtaining a higher PPS to place you nearer to a goal to be picked up by larger clients in buying your common stock.
Actually no, because it had already occurred, the selling was the past two days as the PPS went no where because the only people holding are those who have a long term occupation of their shares. They incur no risk so therefore they are not selling, only those who face uncertainty have sold.
Exactly and that is all I am saying without knowing the date and now knowing some unofficial garbage that only shares from that date will be transferred to the new company stock as a new investor you are not buying until you have something concrete that your shares are going to be worth something and not some shares trapped in a worthless shell.
Where does it say it will be in the future? Prove it? You cannot, you are clearly assuming that it will be a future date from that PR release. Without that information and the “unofficial” posts this is not going anywhere because of the lack of clarity in who will be transferred to new shares and who will not be. Without a date you have nothing to stand on, without a single shred of wording stating it is a future date, you are spreading misinformation based upon pure assumption.
The exact wording……….. the record date is to be determined….. it gives no further information which is key in investing.
You are kidding yourself, the MMs have tried to walk the bid up earlier and nobody is buying! No one is going to buy a stock in which it is unknown what the date is set for conversion. You are basically buying a stock that may very well be worthless if the date has already passed, the shell has no value currently because it also unknown if and when it will ever be taken over. Too many unknowns to justify the risk of investing currently, the only people who can sit back and confidently say this is great are those who have been holding for a period of time before this PR. Understand that this board and the couple of members who posted the “unofficial” hearsay killed any and all interest in buying once it was learned what the PR meant to say. If the PR stood correct that only long-term shareholders gained an additional share per 10 shares owned at a specific date and only new investors would be losing out on the bonus shares all would be good.
Exactly, until clarity is achieved this is going nowhere. That sticky at the top is not clarity, it is only a solid reminder that poor word usage and lack of finer details cause conflicted results. People fear an RS for the simplistic reason that you lose share count and therefore earning power. You can list reasoning all day long as to how there is no difference, the bottom line is a run of .10 is much more powerful with 50,000 shares than it is with 5000 shares. You can say the stock will make larger movements when it is selling at higher prices, but that is not necessarily true either, there are many stocks out there that trade only pennies a day when they are at .50 to $2.50. One that sticks out in mind was C (Citi), it traded within a narrow range in the $2 area only .04 or .05 a day, not exactly huge swings like people make it out to be.
People want to see this stock reach $1 to $2 with their current share count, not by lopping zeros to achieve the goal. You may say they are not looking out for the overall good for the stock, they did not invest for the good of the stock, they invested for their own personal reasons in which you cannot debate it with them.
Psychology plays a huge role in stocks, and yesterday was proof of that. There was no manipulation occurring it was people selling, it was mostly small to mid sized blocks with an occasional large block, at one point 700,000 shares in 9 seperate bids went out in under 10 minutes. The lack of clarity within the PR left most doubtful with what they had purchased, and it goes right back to what I said here in the beginning psychologically speaking, people feel more shares is better than less shares. Most interpreted that you were gaining shares because of the word “BONUS”, take away that and you get results like the last two days.
If that last line had been left out about shares, this would be sitting much higher. That should be a seperate PR on itself with extensive information about share structure.
Because of a poorly written PR that could not clearly convey the message of FUTURE VALUE. So the PPS suffers because of it, not because of the shareholders, but because of the confusion caused by an "Official" message and words being spread on this board "unofficially".
Over 700,000 shares sold in less than 10 miuntes 13:00 to 13:10 hardly a low volume move.........
STOP POSTING this! It is "unofficial" material, unless you are reposting an "Official" PR you are killing this stock with your perpetual posting of inconsistant material.
Please stop posting, you have no clue on how much damage you are creating, I hope it stays contained here on this board. You are publishing "unoffcial" words as "offcial" and you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
Bingo! Someone else gets it.....
I am not listening, as I have said many times already I will take the “Official” word over the “unofficial” spin currently being placed out there. I like making fun of CJ because she is apparently too ignorant to know what a Reverse Split is, although she keeps making reference to one.
No one here disagrees with your interpretation of the PR, that is how I interpet it. the confusion lies within the fact that CJ and the IR are saying something completely different, that is not what I interpret nor many others extracted from the PR.
Buddy you are missing a big part of the picture, we have not upgraded yet. We have yet to settle our PPS, it is a long road until then with nothing driving the price. As you saw during today’s trading, until clarification is given the PPS will suffer with no clear direction. The PR does not state an R/S, yet we have people relaying messages from the company saying that yes it is an R/S with the bonus of keeping worthless shares in a shell. These two statements are polar opposites and are the very reason the PPS quickly went volatile towards the end of trading, as even the shareholders have no idea which is correct. An R/S currently is bad, the share price will drop, as there are people who would like to see the share price down to a level in which they could buy into the new company and hold massive share counts.
It is not a bash, CJ keeps relaying a message that completely describes what is a R/S. That is exactly what an R/S is, you get a ratio of current shares and the new PPS reflects the same ratio. So we get a tenth of current shares at ten times the current PPS based upon specific end date, that is what exactly an R/S is.
A bonus is an addition to your current share count, that is what the PR said exactly today and that is the OFFICIAL message currently, everything else being said is UNOFFIFCIAL and has no merit. The cheerleader needs to stop posting the R/S crap before it kills the PPS to .0001 again…….
LOL on you, that is a REVERSE SPLIT you keep posting…… There is no other wording for it and the PR today failed to mention that at all…. IT FAILED TO MENTION THOSE EXACT WORDS IF THIS IS TRUE….. The PR clearly states a bonus on top of current shares and leaves it at that, no mention of a REVERSE SPLIT as this IR keeps telling people privately. If they purposely left that out of today’s PR that is completely misleading, this will get pummeled into the ground if this is true.