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I fear that on THIS one, even ZERO might be right.......it COULD get worse......no one seems to be buying.......I know I won't without some #s.......audited financials would be nice......I HOPE that is what Fan is working toward.
Thanks for your sympathy, ZERO. NOT much fun Bear-baiting you with nobody else here.......
OH, GOODY.......the ZERO is attacking me..eveyone else gets to rest a while.......SO, ZERO, I'm "lashing out". I know logic must frighten you, but calm down, we have seen your version. Frank is a liar, but tells the truth about "OWNING" QTN.............ah........OK.
Like Olsen MIGHT have had 2 sets of books........
exactly......at least Fan seems to be trying to find out the info.........THAT sounds like a good thing to me....
I agree to that, mcfly, back to 05/08/1951, perhaps. MY point to Zero, is that they DO own QTN. My frustration is that tho it IS a mess, if that's what you all mean by "dirty", Fan coming out with the PR that is is worse than previously thougth IS an answer to the question of why there is no audited financial statement yet........they don't have all the info yet. Seems to me that the PR told us WHY we haven't gotten answers we need yet.
Sorry to be so long-winded, but I am just trying to be clear.
I LOVE how you quote Frank as gospel about owning QTV, but diss others for listening to him.
Look up "schizophrenic".
The shell, the shell?............WHAT about the shell/holding company..........What part of the structure of the holdings don't you get? QBID is TMM...they own QTN.........what's not clear, ZERO ? If TMM doesn't own QTV, who does? and what DOES TMM own.....Still relying on Olsen???? He's been proven reliable.
"FRANK said in the conference call.........." PLEASE?
Thanks. I THINK that is what the ZERO was talking about. BUT this is for TMM, not QTV.........could THIS be what the ZERO was talking about? I'm not clear about what this tells us at THIS point in time. Happy to be filled in, though.
You are totally right, shunks, it was balanced........but I still don't think that interview earned him any points with QTV....
Anyone know if jack e. jett is on? That is, in production with new shows?
Bet THAT will score points with QTN for jack e. I can't get QTN in L.A...........is jack e. jet on now? or re-runs? Think they'll hustle to get him his back pay after that inverview? LOL
I THINK that's what I said Island .............sorry about the WHOLELY owned spelling, it IS wholly.......
Oh, Zero, you make me tired...........I guess that if Frank Olsen said it, it must be true. I AM curious as to WHO he said was the sole owner...not having been on the conference call myself. I'm sure that even if I found and posted "Legal Documents" you would not be satisfied. AGAIN, Why don't you post yours.......as IF I expected an answer from the ZERO.
Soley owned or wholely owned? "Why did Frank...." CHRIST, now OLSEN is your source????????
Anyone understand now why I refer to him as "ZERO" ...he even calls Himself that.
FOLKS........QBID is the trading symbol for TMM........even Zero will agree to that (I think?)...QBID/TMM is a holding company.........they own QTN.......unless Zero is (GOD HELP US ALL) correct.
OH, Good...........the ZERO is still here. Zero, in light of the fact that you are ONLY trying to help those of us who just don't get it, would YOU post that info, or a link to it, for those of us who don't have your insight? I'm willing to be proven wrong, but so far, all you have done is tell us that we're fools. Might not QTN have been folded into QBID, therefore making it a sub of the holding company TNN/QBID? Hand us the link, let us follow the trail thru the woods.
Ah, Smokey...............my kind of bear....looks like I finally shut down the ZERO.............I hope not, he's fun to toy with...........like a bear can toy with a hunter.....:)
Smokey..............He LIKES me.......he REALLY LIKES me...........:)
Zero, YOU seem to have made QTN ownership THE point.....or, at least, one of the axes you are grinding. SO who owns it, if not QBID/TMM......riddle me that, Batman. I like the way you change topics when you are called on your statements.
By the way, my burbon is helping....
"He drove me to drink.....the one thing I'm grateful to him for" ---overheard.
Good Lord...........the twists of your mind.......makes me want to drink..........HEY, not a bad idea. SO, zero, who do YOU think owns it? Give us the REAL scoop, o wise sage.....
and, Thanks, Smokey
Just based upon the wording of press released, Zero. Ah, Yes, I can hear your reply now........... but if QBID is NOT the owner, don't you think the "real owner" would have something to say? Can't wait to hear YOUR version of why the "real owner" is keeping quiet.....
Correct............QBID owns QTN.........NOT really All that complex
Actually, it seems to be a holding company.......Perhaps a matter of semantics to you,0, but accurate
Hansen, "In confusion, there is profit." old investor's saying. We ALL see the confusion, perhaps Fan saw profit????...maybe he still does. Maybe it's there, maybe not, but it's SURE interesting to watch.....Maybe just watching what happens is ALL the value investors ever get, but I LOVE mystery novels and this rivals most, as a story.
The company holds all the info, even if they can't find it, yet. We can only watch and wait..........and be entertained.
when did Mr. Fan say that?
It seems to me that todays P/R tells us that Fan KNEW there were problems with the books...COULD he have financing lined up, (if not his own $), but wants to know what ALL investors want to know about the debit and O/S, before any funding is released?
Hansen.........Please E-Mail me......Do you think just investors are going to lose or do you think the network is doomed. I'd like to talk to you in private, but I'm here on the cheap, no private mail available. I think you may be wrong about SOME things, but you must know something/someone who is in the know. George.
How did you try to help me????????? and when and were did you refer me to Lobogotti?
Sufin............Please don't put words into my mouth, I just asked why you are of the oppinion that I'm a phony? A seeming simple question.
Surfin, I'm a phony? a phony what? Good grief, I've only posted twice and I thought the questions were valid. I'm most curious as what makes me a phony. Please let me know.
Good Lord...........lobogotti?????, Mr. 100MM share buyer?? ....anyone???...will no one reply to my only 2 posts? I was hoping that this was a forum for exchange of information. I'm looking for more info than what I have read here. ... an after thought..........has anyone called QTV in Burbank to ask if/why this Frank is/is not still in QTV's "closed" office in Palm Springs? It's a cheap call that I'll make, if someone want's to tell me what to ask.....I'm open.
I KNOW what I'm going to do, see if the info I posted here is agreed with by others, and wait for info from the company. What I WOULD like to know, since Lbogotti is willing to tell us how much he bought, is how much he PAID per share. THAT would be useful info.
Thanks for the input, Surfin.
I'm new here, though I have been reading the posts for a while. Please help me understand if I get this right.
You all are not sure who the new CEO is, or if he holds an equity possition in QBID........
You don't know how many shares exist, much less how many are in investors hands and how many are treasury shares, only that Frank "owns" 53% of them............
EDGAR shows that QBID is not registered and there are no fillings..........
You don't know if QBID has any assets, only liabilities......but not the amount........
Someone says there are only 800 subscribers.........
Someone thinks that the company has all stockholders names (are you all in possession of certificates or are the shares held in a brokerage account, therefore in "street name"?)
I can buy a million shares for $100.00, unless the listed price is just above .000051, in which case the price is rounded UP to .0001 ALMOST double the .0001 that is being thrown around.......meaning that I can buy almost 2 million shares for $100.00........quite a spread.
AND Hanson seems to be the source of most info, even though he/she has claimed to be a past employee, but, in a later post, not a QTV employee........
WHAT on EARTH are you doing investing in this?
PLEASE tell me what I am missing. A great concept in TV, perhaps, but is it a going concern or dead man walking?
Not really responding to SurninNJ, just don't know how to post a new thread.
I may be a smart-ass, but what do you see that I don't?