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Yes you are confused. Clearly confused on the whole certification process and the meaning of it all.
If the product doesn't go through the certification process then it's not certified no matter what the product is. Even if it's simply a vitamin c tablet. If it doesn't go through the certification process it's NOT certified.
When it's not certified it doesn't carry the certification logo.
Under your logic nothing Musclepharm makes would have to go through the certification process because they would be "inherently NSF approved".
You need to go read what the NSF process entails so you can gain a little understanding of what's going on here.
I asked them specifically what products were NSF certified.
Ruin my night? That's funny.
They have the NSF Certification logo on products that are clearly not certified.
Please justify that for me.
Please explain why you whiners are taking what I say so personally. Unlike some of you I'm not calling any one names or attacking anyone for their opinions. I'm simply trying to give the entire picture on MSLP.
I think what they have done with their bogus claim of all their products being NSF certified, even putting the certification on labels of products that are absolutely not certified leaves every shareholder at risk. They specifically say these certifications differentiates them from all the other supplement companies. Well I guess that would if they were actually certified.
Do you realize to potential fraud charges that can result from this illegal activity? A single class action lawsuit or government charges would kill this company and every shareholder with it.
You can bash me all you want but I'm not the one fraudulently labeling products. I'm not the one building my company based on lies and deception. I'm not the one deceiving customers and shareholders as well.
Someone on here earlier said they take Armor V because it was certified and he faces drug tests and needs that certainty. Now we find out it's not certified even though it caries the certification logo.
Now tell me how doing some serious due diligence makes me the bad guy here. The bad guys are the ones pulling the fraud on you, me and everyone else that buys their products under this deception. And especially us that have invested in this company based on the fraudulent information. We stand to lose the money we have put into this company while Cory and Brad are literally sucking millions a year out of this company even before a single penny of profit has been shown.
I don't know about you but I like to know the good and the bad with my investments. We have a dozen people on here showing us the good and just a couple uncovering the bad.
As the saying goes, don't hate the players hate the game.
I hope it does go up but I'm far more concerned about this now than I was 2 days ago.
I just assumed they wouldn't have the certification logos on the products that weren't certified. The web site is one thing but actually on the labels. They can't talk their way out of that.
And if a lawsuit gets brought against them and/or the government comes after them, it won't be good for us.
Well then they are not only lying on their web site they are lying on their labels. Big NO-NO in eyes of the FDA and I know NSF would not approve of them claiming they are NSF approval when in fact they are not. Completely kills the NSF credibility. The very thing the NSF is trying to establish.
Here is the email I received this morning:
"Right now our MuscleGels and our Assault in green apple, raspberry lemonade, and blue artic raspberry are NSF certified."
Joseph Lawanson
Dir. of Team Development
MusclePharm
Are you saying the Armor-V you have has NSF and Informed-Choice logos on the label?
Got an email from Musclepharm today and they confirmed only 2 products have passed NSF certification.
So they are blatantly lying on their web site. I find that quite troublesome since it is a major marketing tool they use that is simply fraudulent.
This puts all shareholders at risk as their actions are leaving them wide open for class action lawsuits. It also make then open to government regulatory enforcement and possibly criminal penalties.
They have an SEC licence to steal and they are using it.
That answered the bonus question.
Total compensation for 2011 for Brad, Cory and Jeremy - over $6,000,000.00
Are you effen kidding me?
Now we know why it tanked today.
Well that would be nice for a change. Let's just hope they paid their UFC bill this time.
I fired off an email to the Musclepharm contact listed on the NSF site and asked him which products are actually certified. Hopefully I'll get a response.
Contact:
Mr. Joseph Lawanson
joseph@musclepharm.com
Look there are many cheerleaders on here. A couple of people asking for full disclosure shouldn't bother you or anyone else the way that it does.
No, MSLP has had a couple of their products tested at one point it appears. But they convey to the public that all of their products are always tested.
This is deceptive at the very least and no doubt fraudulent in the eyes of the FDA and FTC.
Please. Who on here wasn't under the assumption that all their products were certified by both organizations?
I know I sure was and as know I'm very skeptical of all there moves.
Wow I just listened to it again. He did say that was the third car. One Lambo is ridiculous. I wonder what the other 2 cars were that Musclepharm bought Rampage.
Which it isn't?
Blind optimism is when you are shown iron clad proof and still deny it.
Please shown me proof that their other products are NSF certified.
I'll happily admit if I'm wrong.
You might want to look a little closer.
It looks like only 2 of their products pass NSF. And only one of them on a continuous bases. Assault was just one batch.
http://www.nsfsport.com/listings/certified_products_results.asp
I see they make a broad claim that their products are NSF and Informed Choice certified. According to this they are all NOT approved.
Better be careful what you take if you are drug tested.
More smoke and mirrors by Musclepharm.
Rampage and his Lambo.
Please. You're smarter than that. That's called marketing not research.
How much did they spend on research?
And you're usually so accommodating with numbers.
Yeah I didn't think you would want to show that non-existant number.
Revelation to you - no medical personel on the payroll. Oh they tag a few names here and there just like they did with the web site yesterday. But they are NOT doing any research for Musclepharm.
R&D? Are you serious? You're good at digging up numbers. How much have they spent on R&D?
I see where they have spent virtually nothing on R&D.
I can't believe they PRed this site either. The juveniles behind stack3d.com can't even string two complete sentences together.
Who on here said mike vick has the same marketing value as shawn merriman and chris johnson?
Why do you feel the need to call names when someone doesn't agree with you? Or more precisely, when someone doesn't feel as optimistic about MSLP as you?
What are you talking about? Have a look, virtually all their sponsored athletes are black.
Ridiculous.
Ya missed that call.
Are you and I relying on the same data feed? Last I checked MSLP was nipping sub-penny again. Exactly what have I said that was ridiculous and not credible. After all is just an opinion.
Looking at the same information and drawing two completely different conclusions is what make the stock market go round.
Good luck.
I'll just keep posting it how I see - how's that?
But the thing is we have no idea what the arrangement with MMA Elite is. Musclepharm has been known to make bonehead deals over and over again. Example, Michael Vick. Buying Ramage a Lambo. Their insane financing.
And remember - their current distributors, their bread and butter, are not going to be too happy with Walmart distribution. That could have a devastating effect on sales should they decide to push other products instead or simply drop the line altogether.
It happened to EAS and to Met-Rx and to Designer Protein. All had a strong following until they went mass market. Now they are shells of what they once were. All because of their core distributors rebelled against their mass market game plan.
Sorry Doc. I do wish everything was peaches and cream but than awful thing called reality always gets in the way.
The news has been out for a while but exactly what the news is is somewhat murky - as always it seems with MSLP.
First off, Musclepharm products are not going in Walmart. MMA Elite products are "targeting Walmart" and they are "powered by Musclepharm" whatever that means.
Targeting to me means they are trying to get Walmart to carry them. "Powered by Musclepharm" to me means there will be some type of licensing deal between MMA Elite and Musclepharm. Musclepaharm have given no details on this at all.
Let's say that MMA Elite gets their products in Walmart. It's a fact that margins will be razor thin. That's how Walmart works. So the royalty payment to Musclepharm, if that's what this is, will be based off of a razor thin profit margin.
I personally don't think we'll see the products in Walmart anytime soon. I think it's very similar to the Medicaid fluff - they were "two weeks from approval" about a year ago. I could be wrong so let's mark this post and see. According to some posting on here, products will be in Walmart in the next 2 to 4 weeks. Let's see.
Now if products actually do get in Walmart I think the razor thin margins that will split between MMA Elite will have minimal impact on revenue. Could be a drain. Since Musclepharm are always vague about their finances it will be hard to tell.
I hope I'm wrong but based on previous actions by Musclepharm I don't think I am.
stack3d.com very respected by who? It gets 72 visits a day.
http://www.statshow.com/stack3d.com
You guys are funny.
Hey Odessa99 - do you mind decoding this me please.
They seriously put this out as a press release? Since when did Stack3d.com become a "popular supplement news site"? I've never heard of this site. The domain was just created July 25 2011.
It's bogus crap like this that clearly shows MSLP is nothing more than a house of cards.
I think an official audit of their books would reveal a really ugly picture.
Careful Ben. If you're not a MSLP cheerleader and only speak how great everything this company does, you'll get scolded.
Bad boy!
LOL - hardly a fact considering the connection between MP and bb.com
But hey, if it helps the stock price I'm all for reality distortion.
Isn't Musclepharm being sued for using the word Beast?
So much for originality.
Sorry Dr. - there is no Nitric Oxide in any supplement made by any company.
Good example of just how this thread on MP products being any good, better or even effective at all is being driven by people who are clueless.
What good is a tag superiority when it is given by those ignorant of the FACTS.
No. Diaz beat down Cowboy for 3 rounds.