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Nope, just watching quietly, and keeping fingers crossed.
"Yet they are always gone on the way up."
I am here,now and the price is going up. Disproves that theory of Steven's.
So, yes, we are pretty obvious. We have a vested interest in seeing this company perform in the way it laid out public expectations for its performance, pure and simple.
Now, why in the world did Stevenvegas complain that people with concerns were staying so quiet. Maybe you need to have a talk with him and ask him to not make inuendos that we need to start posting again to be considered legit in our concerns.
We respectfully avoid posting the concerns over and over, and then rather than being given respect back because of that, we get agendized because we want to respect you others. We gracefully join in with you others in being positive and hoping that our concerns are going to be proven wrong, rather than continually bringing them up, but then you see that as some secret agenda.
Not really fair, now is it. But then again, life isn't fair.
Is that not what everyone says these boards are for ayway?
I don't say that usually, but I very frequently read that anyone who would read these boards for anything more than entertainment and a few informative links, is not being very smart about investing, because you should NEVER believe anything posted on the MBs. I usually read these posts from people who have been extremely positive on a company and then when it goes down and some people are upset, these pumpers come back with "Don't you know you are being foolish to believe anything on a MB" and "you should know to never make investment decisions based on what you read on the Message Boards". Thus, boards are obviously for entertainment only.
So, why would you not "officially designate this board as 'Strictly For Entertainment Only!'"?
I, myself, actually like to consider boards both a source of entertainment and information - just have to get better at verifying all the information that we read.
Yes, may agenda is I expect the share price to go up to the .30 to .35 range by the end of Sept, (maybe Oct.) according to the expectaions I had built from the representations of the company.
Now, you are most probably wrong about my DD, because it has become quite obvious that I did not do the proper DD. So far, when I look at the REAL, PUBLISHED numbers on this company, numbers that can be forced to be defended in a court of law, this company is wayyyy overvalued at THIS price.
Now, when you do some forward projections based on PRs that were released a couple of months ago, and a Price to sales of about 3, I can convince myself that this should be appropriately valued at about .12 to .16 depending on how conservative I want to be in the projections.
Then on top of that, I have to admit that I did let the hype on the board overextend my expectations. They were taking those PRs and making phenominal projections that noone in their right mind would believe, but the majority of the posters here were continually re-enforcing those unreal expectations. Now, I was not foolish enough to let that cloud my thinking THAT much, but I was foolish enough to let it cause me to think that my calculations were wayyy too conservative and subsequently, I more than doubled them, saying that this company is different because it does have real products and real revenues, I see them in all the PRs that the company releases giving projections. Of course these are numbers that the company is in no way held responsible to - what a fool am I, eh? (And probably you too, Lucy, from the silence to that question when I posed it to you.)
So, I patiently awaited Aug. to see the revenues released on generators as had been done in previous months - got none.
To see some kind of PR on the sales of tiles after the NOA approval - got none.
Also just wait until the 15th to see the actual SEC filing, the 10Q, that will have some of the numbers, not many, but enough to show me they are still on track for the ramp-up, and then some hopes for forward guidance, and some numbers reinforcing that their OS is not increasing much, and, you know what - not available YET!
So, yes, my agenda is I want this company to be what I had thought it was turning into, from the inuendos provided in the PRs. And yes, I got a bit caught up in all the hopes and hypes of posters that post positive things that in no way have any LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE factual basis to them. So, I would be thrilled if it would go up to just .30. However, with a total change in behaviour patterns of the CEO, I am concerned.
Now, my agenda is that I want the company to know that there are shareholders that are expecting them to deliver, and I want other shareholders to not only HOPE, but be realistic that the company needs to start answering questions about what they are really doing - answers in SEC forms that have to be able to stand up in court, not PRs and interviews that can be protected by condition clauses. I have no interest in promoting an attitude of "we know the company has said great things, it's fallen down on a few things but we will not give up, it will happen whether we see actual signs of progress or not" I do not consider that beneficial, and I consider that to be misleading to other fine poeple who may be looking here to make an investment. If they want to invest, great; but as a good caring person, the only appropriate way for me to behave is to share some awareness of inapprpriate behaviours from the company that are starting to rear their ugly heads so that those people will invest KNOWING of those risks rather than thinking that this is one of those "rare BB stocks that is a true company, with real products and real revenues." Yes we have those, but are they being sold in decent amounts and will they bring in decent EARNINGS after the costs are taken out? Will these earnings be enough that will amount to any real increase in share value? None of us can say yes to that, for sure. Certainly not in this point in time. Will these earnings being eaten up by dilution of our shares or excessive selling by insiders?
That seems like an appropriate agenda for a shareholder of the company, does it not? Nothing contradictory in that.
I care about others who are invested and I would like others who become friends on the boards to care enough about me to help keep me aware of risky situations. That is my entire agenda - to make some money while helping others do the best they can to make money. And to enjoy some nice friends to bounce hopes and concerns off of each other while we look into what we are invested in.
No, thank you. My money is invested in a losing position here right now.
That suggestion implies that you want me to leave so that people like me, who will not put up with the antics of irresponsible management and commmunications, will be vacant from the board so that all can just play the moves of misconception and ineptitude as they have learned to trade the moves such create.
Well, I understand that BBs are high risk for that, and that traders like you make a lot of money taking advantage of those misrepresentations of high hopes, and subsequent countering ineptitudes as they play out in the see-saw motions in the share prices. Excellent for you, and me too, when I make profits.
But I still do not think it appropriate for a message board to keep saying this is different from the other BB stocks, because this is a "REAL company, with real revenues and products, etc." and then the message board sentiment reinforces the notion of telling people who expect some kind of responsibility from the company to match that statement, to move on to the more respectable companies.
Basically, you just do not want us to mess up YOUR agendas of maximizing your profits by enhancing the moves with hopes until you exit. WE are the real, truly invested shareholders, until the company disappoints us. Our expectations of honesty, truthfullness and consistency from the company interferes with YOUR agenda. So you suggest we move along, so you can play without having to deal with our posts reinforcing statement regarding the companies' responsibilities.
Often posters that suggest such, make this suggestion to move, a day, or even within the same hour, after you post that this IS a company that can be respected, and held long. Do you see something contradictory in that?
Now, which is it?; a BB stock, or a BB company that is misplaced because it is a real company that will soon be valued more appropriately (with a nice increase in share price), and such will warrant a move to the correct exchange?
You cannot honestly tell us it is a respectable company, and then tell us we should move to the truly respectable companies just because we challenge how respectable this company is behaving.
It either is or is not, and I expect it to be respectable.
Just please don't start inferring things when we are or are not posting.
Many of us are just as interested in the well-being of this company and stock as you are. We just have a different perspective, and for people to use that as a manner of dimishing our concerns by laying out agenda patterns in the back of the minds of other readers, agendas that are nonexistent, is a bit demeaning to our interests.
My money is at risk here also, and I don't care to have my concerns minimized, I'd rather have them addressed.
I believe I am the novel writer, LOL
I am still upset about the delayed 10Q. How many times do you want me to talk about it? I am still here with my 100s of thousands of shares. You want me to keep saying I'm upset and am really frustrated that the CEO pumped the heck out of this with multiple PRs telling us they were gonna be able to sell tiles, and then disappeared at the time when we were foaming at the mouth like Pavlov's dogs to get a piece of information telling us how many tiles they were selling/had sold?
Do you want me to keep saying I'm upset that the CEO told us every month, by the 5th business day of the month, what the previous months generator sales were, but for some reason, after all his PRs about the NOA, and interviews, he left and became extremely silent and did not yet release that information this month for the month of July? Then he comes up late for the first time on the 10Q - WAMMO!!!!.
These constitute a big change in pattern in the CEO's behaviour, it being now the 18th of Aug and all previous months we got that info by the 5th business day, got multiple PR's, got on-time 10Qs - VERY DISCONCERTING.
Do you want me to keep posting that - what use is it? I will post it from time to time, but not daily, regardless of whether the stock is up, down, or flat.
I am NOT happy with the behaviour of Howard. Very suspect to me.
OK, enough, hopefully we will get a nice rise today. Let's see.
Am I correct in saying that, from how the indicators have moved, this one (HBSC) is likely to make a rather Lonnggggg move upward?
It may be gradual, but likely to be extended rather than a 2 to 5 day pop up and then back down on an almost complete retracement.
Everyone should read this article that Whiz provided a link to.
http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/16/comverse-kobi-alexander-cx_po_0816autofacescan02.html?partner=yahoo...
I am getting more and more nervous about Howard being so unavailable. You cannot get him on the phone, but e-mails are answered immediately, which can be done by anyone. The short answers keep the story uncomplicated and simple so that there is not too much information to have to keep track of.
I'm wondering who is really answering those e-mails now, and even if it is Howard, is he answering them from within the US?
Revenues, margins, earnings, how all these compare to previous comparative quarter and previous year, is there excessive goodwill, Net Tangible Assets- are they going up or down, Accounts receivable, subsidiaries and costs associated with subs, confirmation of the corporate share structure esp the OS and whether dilution has occurred. Much more, but those are the first things I look at.
Then you do your calculation of key ratios like P/sales, PE, PEG, growth rate, compare what ratios competitive companies in the sector demand for a similar growth rate or extrapolate if growth is much better than the comparables.
Oh, and I forgot some BIGGIES: DEBT structure, long-term, short-term, any new debt hidden in the fine print, and deals for shares hidden in the fine print.
Then STUDY the full details of all the conditions associated with those debts and who they are financing with, and their past pattern of how they handle companies they have loaned monies to. STAY AWAY FROM CORNING!!!!, I think it is. (someone here can confirm/correct that name, I'm sure.) They are the kiss of death - death spiral financing, and naked short schemes to the hilt.
Hey Duffys,
Nice you came over to say hi. However, I have to disagree with you. I want the information, I do not care if I get it over there or over here. If you want to post over there, fine, I will still be posting over there, anything that I think of that is a positive attribute to this stock. However, I do not have the time or or even care to read the vitriolic posts that some engage in . I do not enjoy reading a bunch of posts that insult someone or make fun of them or demean them to the point that they will either be disrespected by other posters or be taken with minimal seriousness. I like SERIOUS discussions that cover both sides of the situation, not childish games. This is not a game for me and I want the information, plain and simple, so this may be a method of getting that other side of the information without having to put up with a bunch of grown people acting like 2 year olds. If an interest builds here, I will ask Matt to put me on as moderator if noone else jumps in to do it. I do NOT delete posts unless they are repeats, spam, vulgar/use profanity, or are attacks aimed at pressuring another poster to not state a viewpoint about the company. I do not care if there are posts that are Off Topic, as long as they are kept to a minimum and are posted with respect to the main intent of the board to get information about CHDT, meaning posters try to post most of the OT discussions at times when the board is fairly inactive.
I want to be part of a community of investors/traders that are interested in helping each other to make money and who can give kudos to each other when we have profitable trades whether it be long, short or holding.
Anyway, people will hopefully come here to augment any discussions on the main CHDT board.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll start reading the posts, but gotta go get the kids right now.
Chat later or manana.
Hey everybody, or anybody;
I'll be checking in over here to find out anything that is of concern for CHDT. I think we can have full discussions here without insults from optimistic longs that do not want to hear the negatives. Also without risk of our concerns being deleted so that others won't see them. They will only be deleted if they are just to cause undue anxiety without any links or methods of verifying the information. So, no off the wall accusations that cannot be backed up with reasonable argument or verifiable links.
Well, let's have at it.
Yeah, you don't know the half of it, LOL.
Now that one is an EXTREMELY long and involved story.
No, No, NOOOOOOOO
PLEASE, go to the other board. Steve has provided an excellent solution. Poeple will find us, IF they care to know that stuff or inform us of that stuff.
Lucy, since it would make this board less cumbersome for those that do not want re-hashed history and continued talk regarding concerns and negatives, would you mind me guiding people to that other board once every couple of days with a link?
To be honest, I am scared to death right now. I was very cautious getting in this thing, and then when I decided to really dive in, all of a sudden Howard sold a few shares, which I really was not concerned about a bit until recently, because he has now changed his pattern of behaviour. Howard has quit putting out the PRs, become totally unavailable for over two weeks now, price has dropped to below many of my entry points, and then to top it off, the company files their 10Q late for the first time since Howard has had input, maybe even for the first time in the company's history - I don't know, maybe someone can tell me that over on the other board. Or, in a few days, after I get some time, I can go back and look through the filings.
Yes, I want to know as much as possible about the history of this company and any of the people that were in it, and then the changes to new people, and then the history of those new people so that I can decide if I trust that these new people are gonna provide a more profitable business venture for retail investors than the previous people did.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. This holds true for companies also, and until they show a long enough track record of a change in behaviour, you have to stay suspicious of the past behaviour.
Also, every investor should spend time doing a little analysis of the patterns that the company tends to follow.
Do they have a pattern of promising things that they don't get done?
Do they have a pattern of missing timelines and how far off does their pattern show them to be from their timelines?
Do they have a pattern of overstating possible potential?
Do they have a pattern of increasing or decreasing revenues, costs, earnings, Accounts Receivable, DSO, etc.
You get the drift.
This is ALL history and all very pertinent and VERIFIABLE DD, because it is history and not future predictions.
(Kind of feeds into my remark to Lucyinthesky yesterday about saying DD means nothing until someone states what they look at when they do DD. And then, what of those items impacts their decision the most on when to buy or sell?)
So, yes, I get a bit upset when people tell other posters to quit providing history that can give me more insight to the PATTERN analysis I like to keep ongoing for any company in which I am invested. It is my right to have that information available, and not others right to censure it just because it does not give them warm fuzzy feelings about their investment.
OK, no more today - over at the other board if anyone wants to continue this discussion. I've stated my position enough here.
I respect your abilities Steve, and I greatly appreciate your help. I know you try to provide both sides of the story when you have time. To everybody, not just me, I see you helping people when you can. I do not expect you to waste time helping people see the negatives when you have your gameplan already in working mode and those other issues only distract where your attention needs to be, and should be. I truly feel you do service to others by helping them trade, so I am not trying to pin some accusation on you.
I know your mind is where I wish I could get good enough to keep my mind at. But that is a highly developed skill, on which I am still working. So, I still have to keep one eye open to the risks of the company.
Thank you Steve, I appreciate that link. Just what all of us need here. I will be checking that board just as much as this one from now on for pertinenet information about CHDT since it is distateful for many longs to hear all sides of the potential stories.
I'll be sure to keep my positive thoughts posted here, and the thoughts relating to my concerns and issues I find out about the company posted over there. And hopefully many shareholders who want to discuss the potential risks as well as the rewards will come over there to help us map out the other potential risks as they become discovered.
Great solution.
WHAT???? Did I see that correctly????????
You openly state that people are discouraged from posting publicly negative things that they know of the history of the company in which I have hundreds of thousands of shares in?
I'm sorry, but I like to hear about the past and present, positive AND negative goings on when I have that much of my hard earned money at risk. Please do not keep me from information that I should have easily provided and accessible. You want to limit that access to the point that I have to depend on someone deciding to put me on their secret specialty list of informative PMs for information that I might find pertinent to my risk.
I thought these boards were supposed to be public forums for people to get as much information as they would like from others that can share it. I didn't know people are only allowed to post information that can make the company look all rosy, and everyone is expected to make sure that if there is anything negative they only post it if they can sugar coat it enough for everyone to swallow the pill without causing concern enough to protect their investment. And then, you say, if it is just too ugly, keep the ugly stuff hush hush in the background PMs. If you don't like the negative information, it is your prerogative to ignore it, but not to keep it off the board.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SICKENING and downright WRONG! I have as much right to information whether it be all positive or all negative. The posters who want to wear rose-colored glasses should not be allowed to limit the flow of that information so that I will be sure to lose half my investment before I realize what is going on because all you people keep telling each other about the REAL stuff that puts my money at risk in the background. That sounds wayyyyy to smarmy for me and I would never treat people I was trying to help that way. Who do you people think you are to think you have the right to limit what truthful and verifiable information, even though distasteful, can be provided? We have a right to any and all information that can be dug up.
We have a right for that information to be provided; PUBLICLY!!!!
I guess this is a message that these boards are not really to help each other, but more to just keep the people who are less connected in the privileged PM network invested long enough so that the group in the know makes their money and can cut and run before the one's who are not allowed that information publicly have a chance to exit.
VERY INTERESTING, and I think a bit illegal to limit such access to verifiable information on a public forum. I don't know; would have to check on it.
I prefer to be on a board where everyone is trying to HELP each other make money and PROTECT their invested capital, not hide the information from them. Sorry to see this board is so one-sided, but I'm starting to see that many stock message boards are just pump boards that want to limit people from getting the WHOLE STORY about the company in which people are invested.
DD covers pages of options of information to look at that help you decide - no one ever defines DD.
Does your DD mean only past filings and past SEC-approved information provided by the company, no PRs, just filed numbers that must be able to be proven in court?
I would have to ask, How do you decide which companies to put your money into?
Sentinel, first let me preface my response with; I respect your opiinions and posts MOST of the time.
After today's development, or lack thereof;
Can you really be sure Howard cares about building a business?
or could there be an inkling of a chance that the past five months have been an artfully crafted ploy of appearing to build a business just enough to the point that when he really reached the hurdles that could not be easily overcome, he had enough retail shareholder confidence to sell enough shares to live comfortably while he took another 1 to 2 years to build the business to a point of showing some more impressive growth from which he could scavenge more profits from sale of more of his many shares?
Well, of course the answer is yes, happens all the time in the business world, esp penny land.
Price will follow results, but we can NOT be sure the results are ones that will drive the share price up. The reslts may be bad enough that they bring the price down, hence the delay. We just do not know since we HAVE NOT SEEN THEM!
A possibility, I hope not, but possible, not highly probable.
How bout some investors not liking the fact that he pumped the hell out of the stock for three months.
A change in behaviour causes suspicions to increase exponentially.
How do you know the earnings are record? Maybe, just maybe, they are not as record as Howard wanted us to believe two months ago.
You have no proof of any of this until we see that LATE 10Q.
Oh, well then, THANK GOD I am so tall, LOL
LOL, I was never in CMKX, but I could name a few that it DOES remind me of that I have had the displeasure of being in.
Just a reminder:
"Marketing plan for OBS is based on ... blah, blah, blah ... Company plans blah, blah, blah... Company expects yada, yada, yada...Company also plans blah, blah, blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh agreements."
Ya, Ya, Ya, nice plans and expectations, but
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!
Plans and expectations mean nothing when you delay things and it takes too long to produce money from them.
I put a call into Howard. Of course he is not available, not in the office is what I was told. I know we need to give him time to get the business working, but I have had enough and felt that since I have no choice about giving him more time, I would give him a piece of my mind also.
And yes, even if this thing goes up to .18 tomorrow, I still feel all this that has occurred, (or should I say, NOT occurred) in the past couple of weeks, is totally unacceptable and inappropriate if you care to build a growing company with any kind of shareholder loyalty. Doesn't matter what price this damn thing is, at .45 or even $1.50, it will still have been a bad judgement to trust the company, because it is currently inappropriately managed and manipulated, all assisted by the CEO's less than competent management of the situation with regard to shareholder concerns. Of course, it may be totally well managed with regard to CEO concerns and benefits, but certainly not for shareholders, and THAT is the angle that matters here in the market.
So, Yes, I will still be complaining and suspicious, even if it goes to $5 and I am a millionaire - I despise being lied to!!!!! Howard lied, he said on a couple of occasions that the 10Q would NOT be late.
That is for sure, but I have been suspicious about it and the CMF all along. I just keep telling myself that there is some good reason for it that I do not understand.
Now, THAT is a pack of rationalization, isn't it, LOL.
No, he got that: "two faced sob"
You SOB, LOL
JK
Oh, you mean those smart, happy people who have profits and bulging bank accounts contrary to us idiots who hold the shares because we believe in the company and the CEO.
Boy, I can't wait to be one of those SMART guys that knows when to bank those profits, rather than one of the fools that is sitting like a duck on a pond, just waiting for that silvery fish to pop out of the water all the while the CEO is just watching me through those ominous sights of his gun barrell.
and then.....
BAM!!!!!!!! shot dead, out of the water.
Damn it!!!!!!
CEO previously warned, over three weeks ago that "sellers would be sorry".
Ha, Ha, Ha People who were smart enough to sell back then would have ALL their profits, GUARANTEED, because they would be in THEIR pocket and they could have bought back just as many shares, plus some bonus shares, and they would all be FREE SHARES. I'd say the only ones that are sorry are the ones that DID NOT SELL.
Pretty much says what you can believe about what THIS CEO says. What he SAYS is obviously all said to give HIM an advatage and nothing else. Only a fool would believe what this CEO "Says" again. I'll believe the numbers and the results he puts out, but never what he SAYS again. Not his predicionts, or his statements of plans and potential - ONLY the results.
This company still may grow and be a great investment, but it will only be valued based on trailing numbers for quite some time now, +/- a little hope/fear, because people do NOT LIKE being manipulated like Howard has just recently demonstrated that he is so skilled at doing.
That post was in response to Dizzydon's question about how long companies had to file. I had not seen this ridiculous extension, NT 10Q. I'm pretty damn mad right now: Howard taking a vacation at a time like this after pumping the hell out of this stock a couple of months before taking vacation. He pumped and pumped, sold some shares and then went silent while he went off vacationing!!!
Then after this extended silence, he comes back and has to file an extension to get the numbers out to us. He has lost the majority of his credibility and loyalty with me now - another pink sheet manipulation with no concern for the shareholders.
I am FURIOUS!!!!!
90 days for a 10K, 45 days for a 10Q
Charts:
The last one may only come up once, sorry.
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Go to the IBox for the Jail board and look at the link that shows the inmate list.
Thanks.
If someone would not mind, would you post what the high was last Friday? I was gone much of the day and my platform only goes out 2 places after the decimal point, so it shows .08 as the high.
Was the high actually .081 or .082? That is what it looks like from the charts I have pulled up.
Yeah, I saw that.
I think Whiz is in jail for being a bit too obnoxious with his comments about us CHDT holders being fools and stuff. Especially when he started making jabbing remarks and insults to the moderator - not good over here. I do not like that he is in jail, after how long and how hard I tried to get some people to come over here, but this place does have that ability and I had forgotten about it since I have never visited the cell.
I should have warned people about that, but again, I do not think it would have changed Whiz's manner of posting - he likes to throw mud in people's face when they are not looking at the concerns he is posting about. You and I know that, but the others here can't (or, I should say, won't) stomach that stuff.
Of course, this comment means little to others who read it now, because the ORIGINAL post was deleted.
I sure wish people would quit deleting their posts. That was a valid comment and you should not have felt like you should not have made it. How is anyone supposed to follow the board if people keep posting something and then changing it or deleting it 5 minutes later?
I think this behaviour has made this board become a bit distateful. Who wants to only read half of the story or get half of the sentiment or conversations? - doesn't make the board as helpful or enjoyable as it could be.
This should be a TOU violation just as berating another poster, profanity and cussing is a TOU.