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Never said that Run... but, part of the previously stated design criteria were to develop a relatively inexpensive ,easily and quickly deployed uav with station keeping capabilities ; as well as one that could be managed without a cadre of experts... It appears that the sts 111 is reaching that goal... If successful... well..we will c
btw wind speed presently on a sunny clear day in Kabul .. about 8 mph
you might appreciate a lumbering sts-111(requiring none of the difficult and expensive logistical support) equipped with infrared on Any relatively windless day if you were stuck in some godforsaken outpost in the mountains of afghanistan where the predators evidently don't fly.... and your buddies are getting shot up.
Maybe some of you haven't thought of what off the shelf, readily deployable eye in the sky you wish you had if you were stuck out there .
that's it in a nutshell...Some here are making this way too complicated.
...almost as good as havin a plastic cheesus on the dashboard of our car.. ... great work Jet
Jet... We think you should call David Christian yourself,...it would seem that your endearing personality is best suited to get the necessary info.. Let me know what you find out.
au contrare Rag... some longs here are doing just fine,and have a more positive outlook then you. People do what they think is right...and those longs who had their trial by fire and are still here do not require admonitions from those who gave up... that time is long gone now.
hmmmm. They called me, canceled my standing order, and said i could not purchase synj at this time..because of settlement issues;... all the while, i was on the phone
Scottrade won't allow buys.... only sells. Settlement issues
Like i said Cole... you put your "private citizen" name out there... And i will put my "private citizen's " name out there... .. If you choose not to... i will understand.... As far as being "typical"? ... perhaps
oh yeh..." ridiculous claim "? ... what planet do you habitate..
Tell you what Cole... you put your name out there for all to see, and i'll put my sources name out there... how's that....otherwise i'll just have to live with the fact that Cole Thornton thinks dabug is a liar... o well.
This is a public chatroom Cole, ... but you knew that.. thats why you so heroically..called my bluff ..
totally unbelievable Cole... cheap shots? LOL.. nothing to do with protecting troops..get real... just revealing what a 30 year veteran of THE corporation had to say about the amazing amount of waste that characterizes your halo-ed LM. BTW..where in what i said...did i "promote" anything... Just another one of your rabbit tricks ,Cole?
lol..... nice try.. but weak... like trying to pull a rabbit out of a nonexistent hat
as usual,you're right Jet.... To you,it really doesnt matter how much taxpayer money LM spends to crank out their products, so long as they get the job done..eventually. Pretty cushy position they are in... kind of like what my friend was saying; Further, my comment had nothing to do with Snsr...only LM.
as another aside, i was recently in the company of a thirty year , just retired, lockheed analyst whose job it was to "make the numbers work" for various lockheed projects.. His comment,when asked how efficiently the company spent our tax dollars, was " LM is nothing more than welfare for the intelligent".....
"It took the Stuttgart team 15 more years to refine their concept, and they built more than 30 prototypes, flew thousands of test flights, and ran countless computer simulations. In 2002, Kröplin founded TAO Technologies to commercialize the concept" ..... if it works, it will have been well worth the wait... good luck to all of us
its great to see a plan come together
be afraid Jet... your choice.. but you... like Cole.. can not prove the future of snsr based on your experience with gtem.. it is not in your hands..
If you seriously believe that there will be no way for interested parties,govts, coorporations to access the STS/stratellite/worm or whatever you choose to call it(assuming Snsr does infact develop a superlative autonomous remote sensing uav)......... well... i don't know.. read Nerds post
adios amigo.. good luck
i think i am going on a sabbatical
Cole...your arguments seem weak:
"Sanswire has gone through millions"... Like George Bush got us into the Vietnam war
"has never sold anything to the government" .... that statement means nothing..unless first times do not exist...
"It's hard to say anyone elses cost more, considering they actually delivered the product to the customer"... i would surmise the overhead of Snsr to be considerably less than that of the "real" reputable,spenders of our taxpayer dollars>
"no closer now than "years" ago"...You can't possibly know that
"millions did not go into R&D....Millions did however end up in the pockets of insiders"..... it happens frequently in public companies like LM when given 60 million several years back ;and likely other "real" companies when they get the 6 billion to do R&D on the next generation UAVS... .. how much of that is going to go into the pockets of insiders?
There is no certainty investing in the stockmarket,or other peoples ideas.... Your parent(s) told you "never loan money to a friend".. for good reason.
Your arguments and points are steeped in your experience with the past of a different company with different players.
Your experience and attitude about Gtem carrying over to your beliefs and vociferously stated assertions about the nature of Snsr is just plain weak.
I have made no predictions,though I have on occasion expressed hope, about the future of this speculative investment. The interest in UAVs of the type that Tao has been researching for years is greater now than ever before .
finally my favorite..."It's just the way these scams work"
just a suggestion .... you seem to be risk averse,...stay away from ALL penny stocks.. and never trust the safety of your 401K; never believe the government and what you hear from other humans because they have lied to you in the past; watch out for lightning and sharks ... the list of things we Can be afraid of is endless ...
be there if you want
"although all our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from experience" kant,1781
"ready for commercialization..."
.... can be interpreted many ways.... Why are you in such a hurry to judge...? more to the point... why are you in such a hurry?
simple Cole.... it's not ready
"wasting their time at lower altitudes"....??. yeh... i guess no one needs um ...huh Cole?
oh... and btw Cole... when you say "You guys just can't face the fact that the company is now hyping something no one wants after finding out your precious stratellite was merely part of their elaborate scam" .... i feel justified in saying ,under TOU, that you are just a disgruntled human ..
what are the chances that all the "superior" uavs out there probably cost quite a bit more, and require considerably more backup, control,and maintainance facilities than a growing number of deficit concious congressional types are willing to spend... especially if there is an "inexpensive" solution
........
just my opinion... but i doubt LM is big into inexpensive solutions
"something one of the "real" defense contractors could have supplied years ago. "
.............. yup.... sure could have Cole..iyo...
but they didn't and haven't.
oh ... maybe you are right.. since they dont have one.. it means they never wanted one... but then... it is a different world now... with different requirements..
lol Jet... i should have known that your opinion ..carrys more weight. sorry
Some here are trying to make it seem that if snsr has no apparent links to the normal u.s. pipeline... then o....sh*t....../*%//!
It is probably a whole lot easier and cheaper to just build it..
If it works... i am positive that potential buyers will be flocking to it..and "the nonexistant" pipeline will suddenly materialize .
........nevermind
Cole.. your line of reasoning would say that before there were airplanes and cars and ginzu knives.... No one needed them...or even wanted them. Or they would have bought them ... before they existed.
Some people(reminiscentofyourstyle)said they would Neverhappen.
If you will just pick up any good history book and read it you will find you share many many of their attributes:........
they figuratively and now literally..... LIVE(D) in the past.... you are losing precious time, every moment you hang there.
You seem to feel safest in the valley that you live in...there is a mountain on its edge. maybe go there for a peek
sounds like a good idea
could it be that no one else has invented it....?
or is it easier for you to say ...."They don't want anything this company is selling.
They never have! "
i guess everyone should assume that the 5 or so billion of the tax payers dollars being offered is for nothing but a pipedream...
no..... ?
Cole... has the military or any other concern purchased an autonomous, relatively inexpensive, quickly deployed ,lighter than air ,remote sensing dirigible, capable of extended uptimes, costwise... disposable in nature , and easily adapted to an array of sensory capabilities from any one else.... ?
last time and then i am done... you said....."Take the person proper out of it. Talk about the company. This is what the board is for.
much of what i see on these boards is other "people opinions" followed by IMO...... I dare say that the vast majority of what is written here is nothing but other peoples opinions(from those that you call the "person proper") . I would be o.k. if peoples opinions and all the "imo"s were compressed into a rar file and shredded to department of defense specifications ....I would love it if all that was posted here was just the facts about the company.... the bad.. the ugly.. and the good.... You know.. like an almanac, an encyclopedia..
I bet most people can look at the recorded facts about this or any other potential investment...and make a decision on their own about their level of risk tolerance
When this list of facts is constantly regurgitated through the multi colored lenses of different people... in an attempt to predict the future,adjust descriptors to suit the emotional inclinations of the writer, or to "prove something" in a world where proof or "the truth" is rarely evident until it happens.. in the future ... ; The attempts of well intentioned investors to reach their own conclusions is made more difficult because of "noise".... ( kind of like trying to see the orion nebula through the clutter of the atmosphere)
Progress or our expectations of it, and what it should look like, can frequently ..NOT be the straight line that you and others want. It is like life..bumpy and not 100% predictable.
If you or others do not want to discuss your opinions in a public chatroom.... don't bring them up. leave the imos at the door.
try to present just what is known. Coastie is pretty good at that.
Jet..."Take the person proper out of it"....? it is you who initially characterized the Dubious one... not I.. and personally..... i have absolutey no interest in proving anything in this room... I have merely pointed out what i believe to be weak underpinnings in certain arguments put forth by some.. and why those to whom you write your "facts" should invest according to your stategy...when i believe your track record with gtem is well known... (I can only suspect that had you been one of the ground floor investors in gtem/adgi or whatever and had watched those either multiply your investment 10-20-30-times..and said enough, left and retired or whatever... that you might be pretty excited about "winning"...... But, instead you and many others 'myself included" rode that reversed-split pennystock puppy to the top . and either held... or bought more.... lol
Here is a good question to ponder in the world of taking other peoples money when investing . Suppose those of you who got burned had played GTEM right as i am sure many did... and you made your fortunes off of Tim Huffs " scam"... Would you feel bad that your wealth came off the backs of others who paid 4$ for your 5 cent investment? Would you want to find those hapless souls and give them back that $3.95 profit you made knowing that the whole thing was a scam?
In closing: some of us who bought the dream of Tim Huff... are at this very moment.. hanging out in penny stock chatrooms... looking for the next big one.
I think the thoughts expressed by Gotcha Sucka : "It's a great investment depending on timing. For those of us whose cost basis is in the nickel range and were able to let some go in the .15 range, it's been a tremendously successful investment so far. If you're in at a buck, it sucks. When the stock finally does hit the BB and if the roadshow Nil talked about is successful (have they done that yet- I don't see any evidence from a trading perspective) it could be a very nice bump. This was always ultra-speculative. Trotting around some retired military guys doesn't make this any less speculative. All the effort and time spent debating this company's virtues/lack thereof seems kind of silly. " are a more realistic assessment of pennystock reality/strategy...
Staring down the tunnel that is the historical manifestation of most pennystocks indicates that they can indeed make you... or break you. That all depends on whether you learn anything when you get crushed . The TA room is a good place to learn some obvious ropes
okee dokee. then i misunderstood.. i kept getting the feeling that you were trying to make a point about what a douche the dubious one was.. I mean ,i thought the way you capitalized so much of your oratory..... it was really important to you... I guess since it has nothing to do with you or me... it is irrelevant. .................................................... why are we here is the next logical question.... ( thoidistinctlyrememberyoucommentingsomemonthsagothatyouwereheretoproveyouwereright.)... but we can gloss over that
Jet. u said :"Any other questions or comments" ......Yes... the one i asked.... what proof can you provide... that you are more believable.... a better example, so to speak, than the one you call dubious.. what exactly are your credentials? take your time..
Jet ... scuse me... ? did you really mean.... "Get with the program. SNSR is a crappy little penny company with a super dubious past and an equally dubious character running it."....
Define this dubious character.... and where is the proof that i would need... to know that ...You ...are not.... a false idol................... just another person attempting to deceive others for some, as yet, undetermined personal gain.?
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Are you proclaiming you are better.. more believable... than this so called dubious one... can you prove it to those who might wish to follow you?
I did not intend to bring it to this level of scrutiny.... but can any of you prove you are better...than the dubious one....?
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you are obviously not listening between my lines Jet... I trust very few humans... maybe only 1.... least of all those who come across as highly emotional in chatrooms because they got hurt... I believe when strong emotions are in play ,that "playing" in the stockmarket is dangerous...
"Great. So.....
Just how well do you know this David Christian? Had you EVER heard of him before SNSR dragged his name to the forefront?
Do you know him as well as....shall we say....as well as you knew J. Randolph Dumas? Whom you posted your respect for...and what a difference he was going to make to this company?
Do you know at least as much about David Christian as you knew about Dumas?
Is he now the reason for your continued investment here...."
that is the crux Jet. It is merly a question of whether one trusts in the decency of some human natures...With no blatant blemishes of malfeasence on their "rap sheets of life"...
in fact who seem to be respectable decent individuals with a background with talents somewhat in line with the efforts to produce what we are waiting to see. A bunch of people in the past sold out.... Dick, George,Bill, Richard to name a few... and around 100 million patriotic americans voted for them ... By the end of their terms around 50 million wanted them impeached.. for lying......
when they watched the hindenburg falling to the ground in flames... all the on site reporter could say was "Oh....the humanity.... "
that is about right... in a nutshell
Jet ...."and they have never produced a design that reached production stages. "... i think we all know that; And also know of no others that have...
If you have a favorite horse... bet on it. Most people don't understand those who bet on dark horses... it is why they are ...darkhorses... on the otherhand ....Lockheed... probably a perfectly safe bet.
i think your comment "Many here give TAO and Kroplin's collaboration with SNSR as a great reason to invest in the company" is pure hyperbole ... um... lets see... 12-14 cents.....up from 5cents... yeh i can see your point... it is called emotion.... and 5- 14 over the course of a couple years aint much action... I believe when and if the goods are delivered the change will be a bit more impressive... if they arent.. owell. time to move on