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I guess we will see then, won't we.
I will go out on a limb and say, most of you're wise investors will rely on a PR over a tweet any day. Even tho tweets are allowed to pass on info to investors I will also bet that most investors want to see it in a PR for them to fully believe it. May just be a trend that has not caught on as quick as business owners would have liked. Just a hunch on my end.
I don't know if marketing is in his vocabulary.
You just prooved my point about the useless tweets. Until it is in a pr I will not believe it. Period.
Until it is in a PR, tweets mean nothing, this is sad.
volume tells it all at the end of the day. Hard to throw a curve ball at the street. At this price anything that has substantial meat to it, with actual proof will be 1 to 2 billion volume easy. Volume says fluff, I'll give this till the end of nov and if nothing, good luck to all.
oh lord here we go again
Thank you and you explained how I feel perfectly. Also because of starting and running a successful business, I understand the importance of advertising. That is one of the main reasons for me asking for the posters and flyers. So thanks again.
Only if they are NATURAL :)
And that is my point about advertising, it is so good it will sell itself. All they need to do is advertise, what a concept. So because of no advertising this is putting a bad taste in my mouth.
This is the kind of continuous excuses made here. Luv They VIVA are the ones that came out with a timeline on products and when that doesn't happen, here comes the excuse team. Tiresome to say the least.
Don't forget what playground you are in.
Where did you're patients go to, I said this two months ago but people on here clamor about being patient. You guys crack me up, you are finally seeing that if you have a product that is great advertise, no if ands or buts. Unless this is BS. We will find out here soon.
agree, they have backed them selves into a corner, either they are for real or not. If it breaks lower it's not necessarily over but with the volume lately you know where it is heading.
And lets see some of that reality, they have subs, let the street know, even SIRI started reporting on small numbers. You talk about reality well lets see, I'm sure there are a lot of people on the market just waiting to see if this Co. is serious. 5 months is way too long to not come out with sub numbers. Listen I will be their no. 1 supporter if they are legit, they just need to show the street.
dang and all this time I could have been saying just lung disease, thanks cover2.
Listen I am not going to get into a cheerleading debate, They have not put out any ANY info on the business progress for the street. Sure there are articles but the street and me need to see it in legit ways. They have been getting subs now for 5 months now and nothing on that, in my eyes that is more damaging than good. For what they have as a product and nothing for the street, looks shady to me.
ok sorry about that, technically you are right and I am wrong.
Most business people know what I am talking about. That quick add was by no means good advertising for a quality product like Viva. The complete lack of any substantial advertising is telling me one of 2 things. 1 management does not know what they are doing or 2 which I hope is not true, this is a fly by night co. getting just enough product out there to get a few people interested and then just fade away. Not only the lack of advertising, but not even putting sub numbers out for the street and investors. This is another huge red flag for me, NOT A TWEET. For all of you in love with his tweets, if they were even close to what he is tweeting I would guarantee this would be quite a bit higher, just for the sake of having subs.
Every person on earth knows when you start a business, you put advertising cost in the budget. Even if you don't have it, it is a very wise debt. It's not so much the money factor for me, it is the fact they are not advertising at all. For where they are now in their progress, the fact that they have not advertised at all is a huge red flag for me. So for every reason people put out an excuse for not advertising now, that's what it is an excuse.
I have been saying that for 2 months. The no advertising is making them look bad company wise and business wise.
You are right and now DVR isn't really important to some and we don't even have the movies downloaded. Thought I was going to pull out today but it closed at 16, I feel for everyone who bought above 20.
LOL as long as they are not going to advertise, it is going to stay here or lower. There is no reason for them to not advertise unless,hmmmm. This board is turning into one long excuse for this company.
We have had Viva on our Roku for several months now and you still get ads for Roku devices on most channels. So yes to confirm what you are asking is true, just wish something would transpire soon.
I also agree with you, the product is great, just being mismanaged in my opinion.
My point is, I have been here for quite awhile, saying they need to start advertising and not all but a lot on here, kept saying, you need to be patient, product not ready yet and on and on and on. Now some of those same people are on here yelling that they need to do something, kinda funny to me. That's all.
What's all this I am reading about some people on here wanting them to start advertising and getting the launch going. Some on here even saying get the launch going even if it is not ready. LOOOOOOOL. Oh but please guys, come on be patient. That's all I heard for 2 months, now some on here are getting impatient, this board cracks me up, can't have it both ways sorry. If this closes at 15 or lower, this is over in my eyes and I will pull out most of my shares. Still not giving up, but funny how some others on here are starting to sweat a little when they finally see that progress should have been made sooner than now.
these are the kinda things that hurt not only the stock, but the board. All I can say is wow.
I'm not talking about what it will do for the stock. I'm talking about updates from the store owner, since the company doesn't want to give out any info. Also my point is I have not even heard from him since the photos were taking a month or so ago.
This is another red flag for me, where is the guy who has 6 or 7 stores with Viva in it. They had pictures so they must be in the stores, lol. This stock is running out of time.
cmon now what does everyone on here preach, Patience, even the big time longs on here getting frustrated. Told the wife back in june, I would give this stock till mid nov, that's when I thought the 3rd q would be coming out, lol. I'll give them till the 15th and if nothing happens, I'm out. If it closes at 15 or below I will pull most out also, if that happens before the 15th. This stock has taught me to become a full time flipper down here in Disneyland.
I appreciate you're reply and thanks. Glad to know you were willing to help out as well. I understand what you are saying and at this point I will say that I just disagree. This is one of the fantastic things about discussing business plans, several different options on the table. We won't know how this plays out for several more weeks, good or bad and only going on their timeline through tweets. Thanks again and who knows maybe Hecandoit :)
Way ahead of both of ya, I went out and taped a piece of cardboard over the logo, at each flyer and poster, that I put up, that are still in place. When I hear that they are showing it again, I will go out and remove the piece of cardboard, so no damage is done to the ad. :)
Went to the race track last night so I couldn't respond. First off I am not a BASHER, you people need get that through your heads. The post you made justifies why we are where we are at. OTC is stuffed with companies that have a great story and just enough product to get peoples attention. Hell if we would have started our business with a bunch of what if's and believed them, then I would have sat on my ass and hoped the business just took off without doing anything. Doesn't work that way. Also there are several on here worried about first impressions and not being ready to advertise, well then, don't send flyers and posters out to shareholders until you are ready. This is where I disagree with some on here about quote first impressions, kinda contradicts itself.
If you are not ready, don't send them out, period. I am one of just a few who took their own time to try and help, because I believed at the time they needed help. Frustrated no, mad no, I know what playground I am playing in. I would love dearly to see Viva get it's act together so they can move up to a more serious playground and for all the shareholders who are down pretty good right now, I hope the first couple of weeks into november it pans out. If you are not going to act serious then don't expect people to take you seriously, all you have to look at is the volume. I guess we will find out here soon, take care.
And I will disagree with you. All of the product and tweet pics and NO ADVERTISING, this is where things went south for me.
SHHHHHHH, the board doesn't want to here this, but thanks.
Been saying this for several months now, but most on here just yells, patients, patients. Glad I am playing with house money, won't recommend this stock to anyone till they start acting like they are serious.
Thanks and back at you. I won't sell any as long as it stays above 15. I guess we will see what happens.
I have taken out my Initial investment, riding free, but if it closes at 15 or lower, will pull out all but a half million, doesn't really concern me at all. It is just a shame this is starting to act like all the other cons down here. Prove me wrong Viva, start acting professional.